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March 10th, 2026 at 12:39:34 AM permalink
Deep in the weeds on this one...

L0, H0, x, y

x and y are each lower in rank than L0 and should not be played together.

How does one determine which 10 to play with x and y?

Thank you.
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March 10th, 2026 at 1:31:03 PM permalink
Quote: mczlaw

Deep in the weeds on this one...

L0, H0, x, y

x and y are each lower in rank than L0 and should not be played together.

How does one determine which 10 to play with x and y?

Thank you.
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House ways (I think?) always pair the lower of x and y with high 10.
I, however, will play high 9 /low 8 as an exception.
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March 10th, 2026 at 9:41:58 PM permalink
I use the Jb simple strategy from the wizard of odds page.

If the best low hand is 5,6,7 points. Play the best low hand.

Play the best low hand if best high is 5 pts or less

Play the best low hand if the best high hand is a 6 but lower than the Chong (high six tile) six

Play best high hand otherwise
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March 31st, 2026 at 11:56:06 PM permalink
Appreciate this. It works MOST of the time, as with basic strategy in general.

But see, for example, H0, L0, 7, 5.

Wizard optimal strategy says proper set is L0/5-H0/7, which the calculator pegs at a 0.018 advantage over "best low" set.

Similar anomalies for H6, L6, x, y hands and the odd H8, L8, x, y hand.

It's enough to drive you mad! So, I just keep playing and absorbing.

Next pai gow stop: Macau, where apparently the only place to play is the venerable Casino Lisboa.
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April 6th, 2026 at 8:45:24 AM permalink
Quick question, Pai Gow Experts

I don't understand why I pushed on this hand. I assume my "High 8" was not actually a high 8, and that the dealer's 3+1 tile makes their 8 better than my 8?



Thanks in advance :D Can't wait to master this game and finally play it in real life
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April 6th, 2026 at 9:38:26 AM permalink
That’s a win for player, not a push.
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April 6th, 2026 at 9:43:15 AM permalink
So is it a glitch with the website?
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April 6th, 2026 at 9:48:35 AM permalink
. Which website? Take a look at the attached pic, so it’s a player win. I notice a problem with these tile dot patterns.
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April 6th, 2026 at 9:58:43 AM permalink
This is from the Wizard Of Odds website, on the top of the screenshot you can see that this was shown to be a “push”.
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April 6th, 2026 at 11:57:49 AM permalink
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Quick question, Pai Gow Experts

I don't understand why I pushed on this hand. I assume my "High 8" was not actually a high 8, and that the dealer's 3+1 tile makes their 8 better than my 8?



Thanks in advance :D Can't wait to master this game and finally play it in real life
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Easy one. Your assumption was correct. The ‘gor’ tile in the dealer’s 8 is higher in rank than your 8 whose highest tile is ‘mooy’. (The 10).

Your hand as set is referred to as ‘high 8’ because it is the highest 8 YOU could make with YOUR 4 tiles.
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April 6th, 2026 at 12:28:56 PM permalink
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Quick question, Pai Gow Experts

I don't understand why I pushed on this hand. I assume my "High 8" was not actually a high 8, and that the dealer's 3+1 tile makes their 8 better than my 8?



Thanks in advance :D Can't wait to master this game and finally play it in real life
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I recently took time to learn the Legend Behind Pai Gow and it helped me memorize all those middle-rank tiles (instead of going with my gut)!

The dealer’s goose (3-1) tile beats your flower (5-5) tile on the 8-value hands, and you won the low hand 6 to 3, so you push this game.

The thing I have to remember now is that humans had flowers before clothing. I suppose that makes sense!
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April 6th, 2026 at 1:16:53 PM permalink
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Quote: harris

Quick question, Pai Gow Experts

I don't understand why I pushed on this hand. I assume my "High 8" was not actually a high 8, and that the dealer's 3+1 tile makes their 8 better than my 8?



Thanks in advance :D Can't wait to master this game and finally play it in real life
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Easy one. Your assumption was correct. The ‘gor’ tile in the dealer’s 8 is higher in rank than your 8 whose highest tile is ‘mooy’. (The 10).

Your hand as set is referred to as ‘high 8’ because it is the highest 8 YOU could make with YOUR 4 tiles.
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But, the highest tile in player’s high hand is a “Yun,” which is higher than dealer’s corresponding tile of “Gor.” Right? See the attached picture from the online calculator.
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April 6th, 2026 at 1:42:00 PM permalink
When we use High 8, confusion can ensue. A "High 8" can be at least a couple completely different things. It is in one sense the Yun tile (all red 4+4). Our player here did not have a Yun, he had a lower eight (6+2), which like the 5+3 tile is in the lower tier of ranks and is called Chop Bot.

When the app uses high 8 to describe your hand, it is referring to the fact that your 8 is accompanied by the Muy 10 tile (5+5) which is higher than the lower ranking Ping 10 tile (6+4) that is also in your hand, correctly played with the Cheung 6 tile.

Long and short is that despite the "high-8" designation of your H10/8 set, the dealer's gnor tile (3+1) is higher, and dealer's 8 is accordingly higher than your 8.
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April 6th, 2026 at 1:56:01 PM permalink
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Quote: SOOPOO

Quote: harris

Quick question, Pai Gow Experts

I don't understand why I pushed on this hand. I assume my "High 8" was not actually a high 8, and that the dealer's 3+1 tile makes their 8 better than my 8?



Thanks in advance :D Can't wait to master this game and finally play it in real life
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Easy one. Your assumption was correct. The ‘gor’ tile in the dealer’s 8 is higher in rank than your 8 whose highest tile is ‘mooy’. (The 10).

Your hand as set is referred to as ‘high 8’ because it is the highest 8 YOU could make with YOUR 4 tiles.
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But, the highest tile in player’s high hand is a “Yun,” which is higher than dealer’s corresponding tile of “Gor.” Right? See the attached picture from the online calculator.
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Wrong. The gor tile is higher than the other 7 tiles in both the player and banker hand. It doesn’t ‘seem’ like that 4 dot tile should be highly ranked, but it is.
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April 6th, 2026 at 1:58:12 PM permalink
You two above are correct. The player pushes the dealer because his high hand loses. There is no “Yun” in player’s hand.
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