Why you should leave WOV
If you don't get why the information darkoz is posting is so damaging, that's understandable. But perhaps everyone who is an AP and sees it as very damaging knows what they are talking about.
This is stuff that really can impact people's lives in a major way. Some of these people have families.
IDK exactly why darkoz is posting it. Only reasons that make sense are, he wants attention and he doesn't get along with certain posters and wants to show them what happens when you mess with him.
Either way he is willing to harm many others with no involvement.
Now, mission is actually publishing articles about it, using the words of myself and others who object to fill out the articles.
Mission's motives are probably clearer. He has unpaid debts to some of these same APs.
So we've got a pair of people who are sabotaging the incomes and lives of others, many perfect strangers who don't even post here, out of some pretty sleazy motivations.
This site not only condones , but actively promotes it.
I was going to write more about why this isn't about free speech (if you can't discuss politics free speech is no longer an issue) and the ethics of betraying your peers. But it really boils down to this.
Do you want APs to be screwed or not?
If this place is going to be about people messing up your livelihood, or the livelihood of someone you care about for petty personal reasons, do your part. Don't participate in this place. Don't provide content. Don't help bring traffic.
It sucks cuz I love butting heads over movies or weed. I love talking about food and sports and even gambling and helping people improve their games, without drawing a diagram for casinos or bookies on how to plug leaks.
But I can't help destroy my own livelihood. I can't contribute here.
Several others have jumped ship already. Do the right thing and join us.
You’re going to also see that I’m trying to help both sides come to an understanding, but I’m doing it in my own way. I don’t think attacking people helps, but trying to understand them without making too many assumptions can help.
Quote: RigondeauxIf you are an AP, even very part time, or you are a friend of an AP you should leave this forum. It is being used as a weapon against APs.
If you don't get why the information darkoz is posting is so damaging, that's understandable. But perhaps everyone who is an AP and sees it as very damaging knows what they are talking about.
This is stuff that really can impact people's lives in a major way. Some of these people have families.
IDK exactly why darkoz is posting it. Only reasons that make sense are, he wants attention and he doesn't get along with certain posters and wants to show them what happens when you mess with him.
Either way he is willing to harm many others with no involvement.
Now, mission is actually publishing articles about it, using the words of myself and others who object to fill out the articles.
Mission's motives are probably clearer. He has unpaid debts to some of these same APs.
So we've got a pair of people who are sabotaging the incomes and lives of others, many perfect strangers who don't even post here, out of some pretty sleazy motivations.
This site not only condones , but actively promotes it.
I was going to write more about why this isn't about free speech (if you can't discuss politics free speech is no longer an issue) and the ethics of betraying your peers. But it really boils down to this.
Do you want APs to be screwed or not?
If this place is going to be about people messing up your livelihood, or the livelihood of someone you care about for petty personal reasons, do your part. Don't participate in this place. Don't provide content. Don't help bring traffic.
It sucks cuz I love butting heads over movies or weed. I love talking about food and sports and even gambling and helping people improve their games, without drawing a diagram for casinos or bookies on how to plug leaks.
But I can't help destroy my own livelihood. I can't contribute here.
Several others have jumped ship already. Do the right thing and join us.
Ridiculous. Nobody destroyed your livelihood. If you are a 1 trick pony and something comes out that affects you, that's your fault for being so narrow in focus. Winning teams adjust to anything thrown at them. So do winning people. I've been here over 10 years. I've seen dozens just like you complain and then leave. I can promise you, it will keep on going.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13Ridiculous. Nobody destroyed your livelihood. If you are a 1 trick pony and something comes out that affects you, that's your fault for being so narrow in focus. Winning teams adjust to anything thrown at them. So do winning people. I've been here over 10 years. I've seen dozens just like you complain and then leave. I can promise you, it will keep on going.
ZCore13
There's still full pay deuces for quarters. Too bad quarters aren't made of silver anymore. (at $18 an ounce, can you imagine?) ABOLISH THE FED!
Quote: RigondeauxIf you are an AP, even very part time, or you are a friend of an AP you should leave this forum. It is being used as a weapon against APs.
But perhaps everyone who is an AP and sees it as very damaging knows what they are talking about.
This is stuff that really can impact people's lives in a major way. Some of these people have families.
Do you want APs to be screwed or not?
But I can't help destroy my own livelihood. I can't contribute here.
Several others have jumped ship already. Do the right thing and join us.
I edited your post to the important parts.
If I was a casino exec who read the NY AP move I probably would have said wow, that casino made a tactical error and paid for it.
However after reading your post, I probably would be saying holy cow, there are a lot of people doing it. So much there are public calls for a boycott. Now I better investigate.
Good going guys!
Quote: darkozI edited your post to the important parts.
If I was a casino exec who read the NY AP move I probably would have said wow, that casino made a tactical error and paid for it.
However after reading your post, I probably would be saying holy cow, there are a lot of people doing it. So much there are public calls for a boycott. Now I better investigate.
Good going guys!
No, actually, YOU should have asked around before you decided to print the details of a play you THINK is dead. But I'm less and less confident you did it for the reasons you first said you did.
Quote: beachbumbabsNo, actually, YOU should have asked around before you decided to print the details of a play you THINK is dead. But I'm less and less confident you did it for the reasons you first said you did.
Wait, I have to ask permission lol?
Quote: darkozWait, I have to ask permission lol?
I told you last year what darkoz was
and I was told to shut up. A 'see I
told you so' is appropriate here.
Quote: darkozWait, I have to ask permission lol?
Wow. You still don't get it.
So far about 12 people have left thanks to you doing this. Probably more I don't know about yet. Nice work there, guy.
Quote: Zcore13Ridiculous.
I've noticed several times that you call people's posts ridiculous when they are not ridiculous
I believe your definition of ridiculous is anybody who doesn't see things your way
Quote: beachbumbabsWow. You still don't get it.
So far about 12 people have left thanks to you doing this. Probably more I don't know about yet. Nice work there, guy.
Good so maybe I can single handedly eliminate AP's from the web.
I will start posting to all the gambling sites I can
Quote: darkozGood so maybe I can single handedly eliminate AP's from the web.
I thought darkoz made it clear he
doesn't care about APing, he's
only doing it to write a book
nobody will buy. Why is this
a surprise to everybody that
he's now giving away secrets.
Just another chapter for a book
that be at the bottom of the
Amazon best seller list.
Quote: beachbumbabsWow. You still don't get it.
So far about 12 people have left thanks to you doing this. Probably more I don't know about yet. Nice work there, guy.
You can make that 13. I enjoy this forum but not if it condones hurting people’s livelihoods. I’m logging off and I’m not sure if/when I’ll be back.
Quote: AxelWolfI guess we're going to have to rename him to the Most HATED Secretive Well known Bus Ridding AP On The East Coast,
No need!
I think Most Feared has now been proven on its own
Quote: beachbumbabsWow. You still don't get it.
So far about 12 people have left thanks to you doing this. Probably more I don't know about yet. Nice work there, guy.
Make it 14 after PG. Only said a brief Hello to Rig once but everyone I respect says the guy is the real deal. To me being trustworthy is the most important thing in the AP community. I’m no FT AP but have made a good amount of money from learning from people who trusted me and helped me. I could never repay that to them but I appreciate the trust shown in me.
Unlike typical Boz I’m not going to go out with a suspension saying what I really think. You all know how to find me.
#supportRig
Quote: RigondeauxIf you are an AP, even very part time, or you are a friend of an AP you should leave this forum. It is being used as a weapon against APs.
I will be sorry to see you, but understand why. Thank you for your many years of contributions. I hope there are no hard feelings against me personally as I have zero against you.
I too am sad to see anyone leave especially if its on my account
I would never quit a forum over this but everyone is different
What did this guy do to force an exodus of members? Curious.
Mission explained it here:Quote: TDVegasWhat did this guy do to force an exodus of members? Curious.
https://wizardofvegas.com/articles/on-advantage-play-and-tribalism-part-1/
FYI, the fact that Mission wrote that article is what pushed people over the edge.Quote: HugoSlaviaMission explained it here:
https://wizardofvegas.com/articles/on-advantage-play-and-tribalism-part-1/
Some people never learn.(hint to Mission).
I will quote Mission. "You were right Axle, spreading AP information is f****** stupid." or something like that.
Writing about people talking about AP information I'm feeling it front and center on the Forum basically the same thing.
Mission you know I love ya, and it is what it is. I prefer just to drop it all so no real reason to respond. I get it.
P.S. I too am going to abstain from posting for a while.
ZCore13
Quote: BozMake it 14 after PG. Only said a brief Hello to Rig once but everyone I respect says the guy is the real deal. To me being trustworthy is the most important thing in the AP community. I’m no FT AP but have made a good amount of money from learning from people who trusted me and helped me. I could never repay that to them but I appreciate the trust shown in me.
Unlike typical Boz I’m not going to go out with a suspension saying what I really think. You all know how to find me.
#supportRig
15th
An AP union is what seems in order here
They can all pay dues to help fund Advantage Plays
https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&client=ms-android-virgin-us&source=android-browser&q=magic+three+ropes+trick
What I don't really understand is darkoz's motivation for exposing a play and his cost/benefit perspective. I guess the latter is what concerns me. I don't get it.
Obviously, the forum owners here have an email address associated with darkoz. My brother-in-law was a big-time PI (even wrote a surveillance book), and my understanding is that once you have an email address, you are 50/50 as a professional to be able to track down someone's real name and address. If the owners of the forum have darkoz's email address(es), then all it'll take to acquire them is money. Throw enough money at it, and you'll have darkoz's email. From there, you have a good start to having darkoz. From there, if people are sufficiently perturbed, it's the end of darkoz.
Maybe that's his goal. Who knows? Create personal risk to sell a book/movie script? Good plan if you survive, I guess, and if you have nobody related to you who is also at risk.
I have no real moral compass on any of this stuff, other than if I had been the person who told darkoz the play originally, and I had acquired a promise from him to not expose it, I would be forced to take matters into my own hands.
It's all fun and games until somebody's siblings wind up in the East River.
Quote: redietz
I have no real moral compass on any of this stuff, other than if I had been the person who told darkoz the play originally, and I had acquired a promise from him to not expose it, I would be forced to take matters into my own hands.
It's all fun and games until somebody's siblings wind up in the East River.
I suppose since I taught myself how to do it I will have to kill myself then, lol
Quote: WizardI will be sorry to see you, but understand why. Thank you for your many years of contributions. I hope there are no hard feelings against me personally as I have zero against you.
You're my friend but I think you are quite misguided here.
First, perhaps consider the actual material impact of publicizing what could be termed trade secrets. It's not an abstract matter. It's not about hurt feelings. If this becomes the "Darkoz blows up plays" forum, some people might be in very different places in the future as a result.
If it is wrong to insult someone out of spite, why isn't it wrong to attack their income?
On that note, when I say darkoz is a narcissist, I'm not calling him a jerk or a poopy pants. I'm observing a pattern of behavior. There are many indicators like giving himself grandiose titles.
But the relevant example... A lot of people will step on you for money or love or whatever. A narcissist will step on other people just to satiate their ego. In this case, I think partly to prove his naysayers wrong. Though those people are 1% of those he is hurting, he just doesn't care.
I've also noticed the mask comes off real fast with such people. They evade and deflect for a while but soon enough they show themselves...
Quote: darkozNo need!
I think Most Feared has now been proven on its own
Yep. That's all this is about.
Any normal person would consider all of the people saying, hey I have no problem with you but you're wrong here. And say, hmmm, maybe I'm wrong.
And even if they still disagreed, they would think, well, is it worth all of this just for me to brag on the internet?
Only one type of person thinks it is.
If someone acting as though they have a malignant personality disorder lashing out at the well being of forum members and others is protected by forum rules but he would be banned for calling them a butt head, the rules need adjustment.
Having said that, there are no NDAs in AP and nothing going on is illegal. So of course you are free to allow it.
But then anyone who is involved with AP or friends or benificiaries of AP would be foolish to contribute.
As I've said, many of us are/were happy to provide a lot of help and guidance, without blowing up the advantages. That helps nobody other than the casinos.
Those people are gonna be gone. All because one man has an insatiable ego.
Quote: darkozGood so maybe I can single handedly eliminate AP's from the web.
I will start posting to all the gambling sites I can
Again, these people reveal themselves pretty quickly.
He needs it to be all about him. And it is. It's all about dark Oz now. He wins, everyone else loses.
If that's an outcome you're OK with, so be it. I think it's too bad.
Quote: darkozI suppose since I taught myself how to do it I will have to kill myself then, lol
I noticed you didn't say that you discovered the play. You said that you taught yourself how to do it. Two different things.
I hope you and yours got Kevlar for Christmas. Hey, that would make a great song, "Kevlar for Christmas." Maybe work it into the darkoz feature film, based on the book.
"Chestnuts roasting on an open fire,
Hollow points whizzing by your nose.
Yuletide dirges being sung by a choir,
Kevlar vests bulk you up like Eskimos...."
I'll work on it.
Quote: RigondeauxYou're my friend but I think you are quite misguided here.
First, perhaps consider the actual material impact of publicizing what could be termed trade secrets. It's not an abstract matter. It's not about hurt feelings. If this becomes the "Darkoz blows up plays" forum, some people might be in very different places in the future as a result.
If it is wrong to insult someone out of spite, why isn't it wrong to attack their income?
On that note, when I say darkoz is a narcissist, I'm not calling him a jerk or a poopy pants. I'm observing a pattern of behavior. There are many indicators like giving himself grandiose titles.
But the relevant example... A lot of people will step on you for money or love or whatever. A narcissist will step on other people just to satiate their ego. In this case, I think partly to prove his naysayers wrong. Though those people are 1% of those he is hurting, he just doesn't care.
I've also noticed the mask comes off real fast with such people. They evade and deflect for a while but soon enough they show themselves...
Yep. That's all this is about.
Any normal person would consider all of the people saying, hey I have no problem with you but you're wrong here. And say, hmmm, maybe I'm wrong.
And even if they still disagreed, they would think, well, is it worth all of this just for me to brag on the internet?
Only one type of person thinks it is.
If someone acting as though they have a malignant personality disorder lashing out at the well being of forum members and others is protected by forum rules but he would be banned for calling them a butt head, the rules need adjustment.
Having said that, there are no NDAs in AP and nothing going on is illegal. So of course you are free to allow it.
But then anyone who is involved with AP or friends or benificiaries of AP would be foolish to contribute.
As I've said, many of us are/were happy to provide a lot of help and guidance, without blowing up the advantages. That helps nobody other than the casinos.
Those people are gonna be gone. All because one man has an insatiable ego.
Again, these people reveal themselves pretty quickly.
He needs it to be all about him. And it is. It's all about dark Oz now. He wins, everyone else loses.
If that's an outcome you're OK with, so be it. I think it's too bad.
Too funny. Maybe I'll start exposing some plays and promotions. Oh wait, I'm probably "allowed" because I work for the "Dark Side". You act like being an AP is some noble position.
I wonder if Derek Web. Is quitting the business and running away because others have taken food out of his families mouths by inventing good 3 card games?
ZCore13
Quote: redietzThis is all interesting to me. I'm a sports bettor, and I can't be data-mined, and I don't really use "angles," so none of this AP debate is applicable to me, but I have questions.
What I don't really understand is darkoz's motivation for exposing a play and his cost/benefit perspective. I guess the latter is what concerns me. I don't get it.
Obviously, the forum owners here have an email address associated with darkoz. My brother-in-law was a big-time PI (even wrote a surveillance book), and my understanding is that once you have an email address, you are 50/50 as a professional to be able to track down someone's real name and address. If the owners of the forum have darkoz's email address(es), then all it'll take to acquire them is money. Throw enough money at it, and you'll have darkoz's email. From there, you have a good start to having darkoz. From there, if people are sufficiently perturbed, it's the end of darkoz.
Maybe that's his goal. Who knows? Create personal risk to sell a book/movie script? Good plan if you survive, I guess, and if you have nobody related to you who is also at risk.
I have no real moral compass on any of this stuff, other than if I had been the person who told darkoz the play originally, and I had acquired a promise from him to not expose it, I would be forced to take matters into my own hands.
It's all fun and games until somebody's siblings wind up in the East River.
Darkoz’s email? He’s posted his full name on the forum in a thread that HE created. If DO cares about the info people know then he has done a terrible job.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/4655-queen-rock-opera-help/
Quote: DarkozSorry again for the long ramble but I wanted you to hear everything.
Thanks, Aaron Denenberg.
Quote: PokerGrinderDarkoz’s email? He’s posted his full name on the forum in a thread that HE created. If DO cares about the info people know then he has done a terrible job.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/4655-queen-rock-opera-help/
Yes, now go out and buy my book.
Its on Amazon
I am not the one who is fearful on here obviously
Good luck with that.
Long live the fearless...and their families.
Quote: redietzI noticed you didn't say that you discovered the play. You said that you taught yourself how to do it. Two different things.
I hope you and yours got Kevlar for Christmas. Hey, that would make a great song, "Kevlar for Christmas." Maybe work it into the darkoz feature film, based on the book.
"Chestnuts roasting on an open fire,
Hollow points whizzing by your nose.
Yuletide dirges being sung by a choir,
Kevlar vests bulk you up like Eskimos...."
I'll work on it.
Really???
The most ridiculous quibble.
I discovered it.
I taught myself how to do it
No one even on this forum thought of doing it my way.
They arent even upset at my description of the move but at possible hypotheticals that could come from its exposure
No one in my circle is coming to get me because I am the master teaching everyone else within my circle.
The people on my team rely on me. and they will still rely on me regardless of some posts on an internet forum
(Jeff Foxworth voice) If you lack the humility of Issac freaking Newton, you just might be a malignant narcissist.
Even if you invent a new way to saw a lady in Half, you owe a debt to people who invented the first way, and to the people who came up with the whole framework of performing illusions for audiences.
And even if you independently conceived of the whole thing while living in a cave, yelling out how the trick is done during someone else's performance of a similar trick is scummy.
Quote: redietzThis is all interesting to me. I'm a sports bettor, and I can't be data-mined, and I don't really use "angles," so none of this AP debate is applicable to me, but I have questions.
What I don't really understand is darkoz's motivation for exposing a play and his cost/benefit perspective. I guess the latter is what concerns me. I don't get it.
Obviously, the forum owners here have an email address associated with darkoz. My brother-in-law was a big-time PI (even wrote a surveillance book), and my understanding is that once you have an email address, you are 50/50 as a professional to be able to track down someone's real name and address. If the owners of the forum have darkoz's email address(es), then all it'll take to acquire them is money. Throw enough money at it, and you'll have darkoz's email. From there, you have a good start to having darkoz. From there, if people are sufficiently perturbed, it's the end of darkoz.
Maybe that's his goal. Who knows? Create personal risk to sell a book/movie script? Good plan if you survive, I guess, and if you have nobody related to you who is also at risk.
I have no real moral compass on any of this stuff, other than if I had been the person who told darkoz the play originally, and I had acquired a promise from him to not expose it, I would be forced to take matters into my own hands.
It's all fun and games until somebody's siblings wind up in the East River.
He's already posted a link to his novel on Amazon, as pg said. I think the chances of violence are remote, but non zero. If he keeps yapping, it probably becomes significant
Being the center of attention and getting back at people who disrespected him > safety of his family.
You just might be...
Quote: RigondeauxThere aren't many people who invent stuff 100% on their own. Issac Newton, of all people, said he stood on the shoulders of giants.
That line, supposedly, was an insult directed at Newton’s contemporary, fellow member of the Royal Academy and sometimes rival, Robert Hooke. Hooke was a hunchback, hence no “giant.”
ETA: Newton used the expression in a letter he wrote to Hooke.
Quote: RigondeauxYou're my friend but I think you are quite misguided here.
You make many good points and that was a very well-written post.
Ultimately, there is not a rule against revealing plays here and there is a respect of free speech. Nevertheless, I respect your opinion, a lot.
What is said to Rigondeaux applies to all those leaving -- I harbor no hard feelings and hope you understand my position and harbor none against me. Do what you have to do.
Quote: Zcore13Too funny. Maybe I'll start exposing some plays and promotions. Oh wait, I'm probably "allowed" because I work for the "Dark Side". You act like being an AP is some noble position.
I wonder if Derek Web. Is quitting the business and running away because others have taken food out of his families mouths by inventing good 3 card games?
ZCore13
If you were posting about weak dealers at your casino for people to hole card because someone ticked you off, I'd find that unethical.
I don't expect people not connected to AP to be much upset by this issue.
I'm not suggesting anyone quit AP. I'm suggesting the do not participate in sabotaging it.
I've worked for the dark side too. I saw first hand that most of our money came from addicts. I watched regulars mess up their lives. I didn't feel great about it but came to terms with working in a dirty business.
As a poker player, far fewer of my opponents were addicts, but sometimes I do feel bad about, say, cleaning out a drunk. Even if we blame these people, they have families.
My roommate was a gambling addict who stole thousands from me so I know it doesn't just affect the addict.
AP is neutral I think. Your opponents are investors who have made a calculated choice to enter a sleazy battle for money. They have home field advantage. They make all the rules.
You can be a pos as an AP but you can also help people. I try to do the latter. Makes my day to help someone who really needs money to make some fast cash. Not that I do it out of charity, but it's still cool.
I think Most professions are neutral like that and it comes down to how you conduct yourself.
Quote: RigondeauxThere aren't many people who invent stuff 100% on their own. Issac Newton, of all people, said he stood on the shoulders of giants.
(Jeff Foxworth voice) If you lack the humility of Issac freaking Newton, you just might be a malignant narcissist.
Even if you invent a new way to saw a lady in Half, you owe a debt to people who invented the first way, and to the people who came up with the whole framework of performing illusions for audiences.
And even if you independently conceived of the whole thing while living in a cave, yelling out how the trick is done during someone else's performance of a similar trick is scummy.
..
I dont know why everyone wants me to say someone taught me something I taught, discovered and took advantage of myself.
That is not a lack of humility. That is simply the truth and the way it went down.
Historically there is very little ethics when it comes to discoveries. Anyone who knows the history of who invented the telephone or the movie projector or ether for surgery would question most of the people who claim to know about ethics on here.
BTW, I studied briefly to be a magician (no joke) and today you can purchase very complicated magic acts on the internet for a hundred bucks. My favorite trick was turning 5 $1 bills into 5 $100 bills.
So even your magic secrets comparison falls apart like a wet napkin
https://www.dreamlandmagic.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMItsL80-D_5gIVBLbICh3KTQwbEAAYASAAEgLfZPD_BwE
The ethics of magicians, lol
I personally love learning from the APs of this forum and it's one of the reasons I joined after lurking for something like a decade. With that said, after some reflection I think the majority here are right and this much information should not have been exposed so freely. There's a lot of risk in doing something like this and a lot less to be gained. Think about it like this: earnings from your book (and I've heard Richard Munchkin mentioned books hardly pay anything), could completely be eradicated by you killing plays and wising up casino personnel. It's like when casinos cut shoes in half trying to stop counters. They hurt their bottom line by trying to help it. You might be doing the same in blowing high value plays for your own satisfaction or writing.
I'm not leaving, but I think apologies and good faith agreements would be a good place to start for those involved here.
I simply don't believe that you independently conceived of advantage play from the ground up. I think you did figure out one particular angle that overlaps with many others.
Posting that info where casino execs can see it is not comparable to buying a magic kit. It is comparable to handing out papers that explain a magicians tricks to people at the box office. That would suck even if you independently conceived of all the tricks.
In other words, you are sabotaging the incomes of your peers, as you well know. And you know it, if for no other reason, because they are telling you so directly. Repeatedly. And not one has defended you.
However, you win. It's all about you. You got back at the people who disrespected you. You sure showed them. Nobody messes with Aaron!
You've disrupted a community that's been together for years. We all had to make changes to our lives because of you. Even those who stay, are losing some members they probably enjoyed. All because of you.
It's the dark Oz show. It's the Aaron show. Everyone is paying attention. Everyone is affected by you. Like cancer. Congratulations. You win.
Quote: RigondeauxSo you've put the mask back on for a minute with half baked deflections and nonsense.
I simply don't believe that you independently conceived of advantage play from the ground up. I think you did figure out one particular angle that overlaps with many others.
Posting that info where casino execs can see it is not comparable to buying a magic kit. It is comparable to handing out papers that explain a magicians tricks to people at the box office. That would suck even if you independently conceived of all the tricks.
In other words, you are sabotaging the incomes of your peers, as you well know. And you know it, if for no other reason, because they are telling you so directly. Repeatedly. And not one has defended you.
However, you win. It's all about you. You got back at the people who disrespected you. You sure showed them. Nobody messes with Aaron!
You've disrupted a community that's been together for years. We all had to make changes to our lives because of you. Even those who stay, are losing some members they probably enjoyed. All because of you.
It's the dark Oz show. It's the Aaron show. Everyone is paying attention. Everyone is affected by you. Like cancer. Congratulations. You win.
Wow, so again my ability is questioned.
I have been very truthful from day one on this forum. Not saying I said things that were not always incorrect but was always truthful to a fault.
It sounds to me like the APs on here realize they arent so good. They cannot believe someone could think of major plays on their own which means the AP,s on here pretty much couldnt do it for themselves
Well, I am sorry I am so good and thats about the only apology I feel obligated to hand out.
Quote: Zcore13They took food out of my families mouth...
ZCore13
How many families ya got?
;)
Quote: darkozYes, now go out and buy my book.
Its on Amazon
I checked it out. Oh. My. Dear. God.
First of all, it's self published, big
surprise. Second, in 10 years it's
gotten 4 reviews, of which only
1 is from a verified purchaser.
The other 3 reviews are from
friends of yours, or from people
who didn't buy it. 4 reviews in
10 years means no sales.
I read what was free to read.
Did you have anybody edit
this thing for you? Here's
an example of what I mean:
Do you see what you did there? Oops.
What I read is riddled with amateur
mistakes. Way too many hyphenated
words. The writing is either rambling
or short and jerky. The plot is confusing.
The characters are undeveloped and
undefined. Hollywood turned this down?
This shocks you?
