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Rigondeaux
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January 12th, 2020 at 12:22:00 PM permalink
If you are an AP, even very part time, or you are a friend of an AP you should leave this forum. It is being used as a weapon against APs.

If you don't get why the information darkoz is posting is so damaging, that's understandable. But perhaps everyone who is an AP and sees it as very damaging knows what they are talking about.

This is stuff that really can impact people's lives in a major way. Some of these people have families.

IDK exactly why darkoz is posting it. Only reasons that make sense are, he wants attention and he doesn't get along with certain posters and wants to show them what happens when you mess with him.

Either way he is willing to harm many others with no involvement.

Now, mission is actually publishing articles about it, using the words of myself and others who object to fill out the articles.

Mission's motives are probably clearer. He has unpaid debts to some of these same APs.

So we've got a pair of people who are sabotaging the incomes and lives of others, many perfect strangers who don't even post here, out of some pretty sleazy motivations.

This site not only condones , but actively promotes it.

I was going to write more about why this isn't about free speech (if you can't discuss politics free speech is no longer an issue) and the ethics of betraying your peers. But it really boils down to this.

Do you want APs to be screwed or not?

If this place is going to be about people messing up your livelihood, or the livelihood of someone you care about for petty personal reasons, do your part. Don't participate in this place. Don't provide content. Don't help bring traffic.

It sucks cuz I love butting heads over movies or weed. I love talking about food and sports and even gambling and helping people improve their games, without drawing a diagram for casinos or bookies on how to plug leaks.

But I can't help destroy my own livelihood. I can't contribute here.

Several others have jumped ship already. Do the right thing and join us.
Mission146
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January 12th, 2020 at 1:14:01 PM permalink
I think youíll see in the interview with Darkoz that he didnít see the info as damaging and that I also explained why it could be. All of this is going to become pretty clear.

Youíre going to also see that Iím trying to help both sides come to an understanding, but Iím doing it in my own way. I donít think attacking people helps, but trying to understand them without making too many assumptions can help.
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Zcore13
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January 12th, 2020 at 1:24:24 PM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

If you are an AP, even very part time, or you are a friend of an AP you should leave this forum. It is being used as a weapon against APs.

If you don't get why the information darkoz is posting is so damaging, that's understandable. But perhaps everyone who is an AP and sees it as very damaging knows what they are talking about.

This is stuff that really can impact people's lives in a major way. Some of these people have families.

IDK exactly why darkoz is posting it. Only reasons that make sense are, he wants attention and he doesn't get along with certain posters and wants to show them what happens when you mess with him.

Either way he is willing to harm many others with no involvement.

Now, mission is actually publishing articles about it, using the words of myself and others who object to fill out the articles.

Mission's motives are probably clearer. He has unpaid debts to some of these same APs.

So we've got a pair of people who are sabotaging the incomes and lives of others, many perfect strangers who don't even post here, out of some pretty sleazy motivations.

This site not only condones , but actively promotes it.

I was going to write more about why this isn't about free speech (if you can't discuss politics free speech is no longer an issue) and the ethics of betraying your peers. But it really boils down to this.

Do you want APs to be screwed or not?

If this place is going to be about people messing up your livelihood, or the livelihood of someone you care about for petty personal reasons, do your part. Don't participate in this place. Don't provide content. Don't help bring traffic.

It sucks cuz I love butting heads over movies or weed. I love talking about food and sports and even gambling and helping people improve their games, without drawing a diagram for casinos or bookies on how to plug leaks.

But I can't help destroy my own livelihood. I can't contribute here.

Several others have jumped ship already. Do the right thing and join us.



Ridiculous. Nobody destroyed your livelihood. If you are a 1 trick pony and something comes out that affects you, that's your fault for being so narrow in focus. Winning teams adjust to anything thrown at them. So do winning people. I've been here over 10 years. I've seen dozens just like you complain and then leave. I can promise you, it will keep on going.


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Mission146
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January 12th, 2020 at 1:26:05 PM permalink
To be clear, I understand why they wouldnít want certain information to become more widely known. Youíll see in the interview that I convey these thoughts to DarkOz, but weíre really spoiling the build up here...lol
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bobbartop
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January 12th, 2020 at 2:24:02 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Ridiculous. Nobody destroyed your livelihood. If you are a 1 trick pony and something comes out that affects you, that's your fault for being so narrow in focus. Winning teams adjust to anything thrown at them. So do winning people. I've been here over 10 years. I've seen dozens just like you complain and then leave. I can promise you, it will keep on going.


ZCore13




There's still full pay deuces for quarters. Too bad quarters aren't made of silver anymore. (at $18 an ounce, can you imagine?) ABOLISH THE FED!
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darkoz
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January 12th, 2020 at 2:44:14 PM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

If you are an AP, even very part time, or you are a friend of an AP you should leave this forum. It is being used as a weapon against APs.

But perhaps everyone who is an AP and sees it as very damaging knows what they are talking about.

This is stuff that really can impact people's lives in a major way. Some of these people have families.

Do you want APs to be screwed or not?

But I can't help destroy my own livelihood. I can't contribute here.

Several others have jumped ship already. Do the right thing and join us.



I edited your post to the important parts.

If I was a casino exec who read the NY AP move I probably would have said wow, that casino made a tactical error and paid for it.

However after reading your post, I probably would be saying holy cow, there are a lot of people doing it. So much there are public calls for a boycott. Now I better investigate.

Good going guys!
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beachbumbabs
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January 12th, 2020 at 3:06:31 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I edited your post to the important parts.

If I was a casino exec who read the NY AP move I probably would have said wow, that casino made a tactical error and paid for it.

However after reading your post, I probably would be saying holy cow, there are a lot of people doing it. So much there are public calls for a boycott. Now I better investigate.

Good going guys!



No, actually, YOU should have asked around before you decided to print the details of a play you THINK is dead. But I'm less and less confident you did it for the reasons you first said you did.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
darkoz
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January 12th, 2020 at 3:08:49 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

No, actually, YOU should have asked around before you decided to print the details of a play you THINK is dead. But I'm less and less confident you did it for the reasons you first said you did.



Wait, I have to ask permission lol?
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EvenBob
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January 12th, 2020 at 3:13:35 PM permalink
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Wait, I have to ask permission lol?



I told you last year what darkoz was
and I was told to shut up. A 'see I
told you so' is appropriate here.
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beachbumbabs
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January 12th, 2020 at 3:16:42 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Wait, I have to ask permission lol?



Wow. You still don't get it.

So far about 12 people have left thanks to you doing this. Probably more I don't know about yet. Nice work there, guy.
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