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Rigondeaux
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January 12th, 2020 at 8:28:43 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Too funny. Maybe I'll start exposing some plays and promotions. Oh wait, I'm probably "allowed" because I work for the "Dark Side". You act like being an AP is some noble position.

I wonder if Derek Web. Is quitting the business and running away because others have taken food out of his families mouths by inventing good 3 card games?


ZCore13



If you were posting about weak dealers at your casino for people to hole card because someone ticked you off, I'd find that unethical.

I don't expect people not connected to AP to be much upset by this issue.

I'm not suggesting anyone quit AP. I'm suggesting the do not participate in sabotaging it.

I've worked for the dark side too. I saw first hand that most of our money came from addicts. I watched regulars mess up their lives. I didn't feel great about it but came to terms with working in a dirty business.

As a poker player, far fewer of my opponents were addicts, but sometimes I do feel bad about, say, cleaning out a drunk. Even if we blame these people, they have families.

My roommate was a gambling addict who stole thousands from me so I know it doesn't just affect the addict.

AP is neutral I think. Your opponents are investors who have made a calculated choice to enter a sleazy battle for money. They have home field advantage. They make all the rules.

You can be a pos as an AP but you can also help people. I try to do the latter. Makes my day to help someone who really needs money to make some fast cash. Not that I do it out of charity, but it's still cool.

I think Most professions are neutral like that and it comes down to how you conduct yourself.
darkoz
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January 12th, 2020 at 8:34:56 PM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

There aren't many people who invent stuff 100% on their own. Issac Newton, of all people, said he stood on the shoulders of giants.

(Jeff Foxworth voice) If you lack the humility of Issac freaking Newton, you just might be a malignant narcissist.

Even if you invent a new way to saw a lady in Half, you owe a debt to people who invented the first way, and to the people who came up with the whole framework of performing illusions for audiences.

And even if you independently conceived of the whole thing while living in a cave, yelling out how the trick is done during someone else's performance of a similar trick is scummy.

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I dont know why everyone wants me to say someone taught me something I taught, discovered and took advantage of myself.

That is not a lack of humility. That is simply the truth and the way it went down.

Historically there is very little ethics when it comes to discoveries. Anyone who knows the history of who invented the telephone or the movie projector or ether for surgery would question most of the people who claim to know about ethics on here.

BTW, I studied briefly to be a magician (no joke) and today you can purchase very complicated magic acts on the internet for a hundred bucks. My favorite trick was turning 5 $1 bills into 5 $100 bills.

So even your magic secrets comparison falls apart like a wet napkin

https://www.dreamlandmagic.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMItsL80-D_5gIVBLbICh3KTQwbEAAYASAAEgLfZPD_BwE

The ethics of magicians, lol
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Minty
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January 12th, 2020 at 8:49:22 PM permalink
I really think the best outcome here would be if DarkOz apologized for revealing what could and no doubt is a significant source of income to many here and agree not to do anything like it again in the future and forum members agree to be nicer to DarkOz. It's hard to know what led to this, but if it was an attempt to prove his value as an AP or get back at those that he perceived to slight him then the years of chiding comments and teasing may have reached a tipping point.

I personally love learning from the APs of this forum and it's one of the reasons I joined after lurking for something like a decade. With that said, after some reflection I think the majority here are right and this much information should not have been exposed so freely. There's a lot of risk in doing something like this and a lot less to be gained. Think about it like this: earnings from your book (and I've heard Richard Munchkin mentioned books hardly pay anything), could completely be eradicated by you killing plays and wising up casino personnel. It's like when casinos cut shoes in half trying to stop counters. They hurt their bottom line by trying to help it. You might be doing the same in blowing high value plays for your own satisfaction or writing.

I'm not leaving, but I think apologies and good faith agreements would be a good place to start for those involved here.
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Rigondeaux
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January 12th, 2020 at 9:03:55 PM permalink
So you've put the mask back on for a minute with half baked deflections and nonsense.

I simply don't believe that you independently conceived of advantage play from the ground up. I think you did figure out one particular angle that overlaps with many others.

Posting that info where casino execs can see it is not comparable to buying a magic kit. It is comparable to handing out papers that explain a magicians tricks to people at the box office. That would suck even if you independently conceived of all the tricks.

In other words, you are sabotaging the incomes of your peers, as you well know. And you know it, if for no other reason, because they are telling you so directly. Repeatedly. And not one has defended you.

However, you win. It's all about you. You got back at the people who disrespected you. You sure showed them. Nobody messes with Aaron!

You've disrupted a community that's been together for years. We all had to make changes to our lives because of you. Even those who stay, are losing some members they probably enjoyed. All because of you.

It's the dark Oz show. It's the Aaron show. Everyone is paying attention. Everyone is affected by you. Like cancer. Congratulations. You win.
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January 12th, 2020 at 9:10:11 PM permalink
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January 12th, 2020 at 9:13:25 PM permalink
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darkoz
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January 12th, 2020 at 9:17:04 PM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

So you've put the mask back on for a minute with half baked deflections and nonsense.

I simply don't believe that you independently conceived of advantage play from the ground up. I think you did figure out one particular angle that overlaps with many others.

Posting that info where casino execs can see it is not comparable to buying a magic kit. It is comparable to handing out papers that explain a magicians tricks to people at the box office. That would suck even if you independently conceived of all the tricks.

In other words, you are sabotaging the incomes of your peers, as you well know. And you know it, if for no other reason, because they are telling you so directly. Repeatedly. And not one has defended you.

However, you win. It's all about you. You got back at the people who disrespected you. You sure showed them. Nobody messes with Aaron!

You've disrupted a community that's been together for years. We all had to make changes to our lives because of you. Even those who stay, are losing some members they probably enjoyed. All because of you.

It's the dark Oz show. It's the Aaron show. Everyone is paying attention. Everyone is affected by you. Like cancer. Congratulations. You win.



Wow, so again my ability is questioned.

I have been very truthful from day one on this forum. Not saying I said things that were not always incorrect but was always truthful to a fault.

It sounds to me like the APs on here realize they arent so good. They cannot believe someone could think of major plays on their own which means the AP,s on here pretty much couldnt do it for themselves

Well, I am sorry I am so good and thats about the only apology I feel obligated to hand out.
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bigfoot66
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January 12th, 2020 at 9:29:42 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

They took food out of my families mouth...


ZCore13



How many families ya got?

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EvenBob
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January 12th, 2020 at 9:30:57 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Yes, now go out and buy my book.
Its on Amazon



I checked it out. Oh. My. Dear. God.

First of all, it's self published, big
surprise. Second, in 10 years it's
gotten 4 reviews, of which only
1 is from a verified purchaser.
The other 3 reviews are from
friends of yours, or from people
who didn't buy it. 4 reviews in
10 years means no sales.

I read what was free to read.
Did you have anybody edit
this thing for you? Here's
an example of what I mean:



Do you see what you did there? Oops.
What I read is riddled with amateur
mistakes. Way too many hyphenated
words. The writing is either rambling
or short and jerky. The plot is confusing.
The characters are undeveloped and
undefined. Hollywood turned this down?
This shocks you?
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Minty
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January 12th, 2020 at 9:34:09 PM permalink
When trying to put out a fire, it's often best not to add a bunch of wood and gasoline to it. There's got to be some part of you that realizes that maybe you've said too much and your actions can have negative consequences, right? I think a lot of people really enjoy your presence here, but it's like you're deliberately pushing them away. If you are in a low point in your life or are feeling down that's ok, and there are good ways to work through it, but becoming combative isn't the way. Reach out to someone if you want some support.
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