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Mission146
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January 12th, 2020 at 7:10:53 PM permalink
That was almost entirely an extremely measured well-put post that made excellent points.
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January 12th, 2020 at 7:23:42 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I suppose since I taught myself how to do it I will have to kill myself then, lol




I noticed you didn't say that you discovered the play. You said that you taught yourself how to do it. Two different things.

I hope you and yours got Kevlar for Christmas. Hey, that would make a great song, "Kevlar for Christmas." Maybe work it into the darkoz feature film, based on the book.

"Chestnuts roasting on an open fire,
Hollow points whizzing by your nose.
Yuletide dirges being sung by a choir,
Kevlar vests bulk you up like Eskimos...."

I'll work on it.
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January 12th, 2020 at 7:25:50 PM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

You're my friend but I think you are quite misguided here.

First, perhaps consider the actual material impact of publicizing what could be termed trade secrets. It's not an abstract matter. It's not about hurt feelings. If this becomes the "Darkoz blows up plays" forum, some people might be in very different places in the future as a result.

If it is wrong to insult someone out of spite, why isn't it wrong to attack their income?

On that note, when I say darkoz is a narcissist, I'm not calling him a jerk or a poopy pants. I'm observing a pattern of behavior. There are many indicators like giving himself grandiose titles.

But the relevant example... A lot of people will step on you for money or love or whatever. A narcissist will step on other people just to satiate their ego. In this case, I think partly to prove his naysayers wrong. Though those people are 1% of those he is hurting, he just doesn't care.

I've also noticed the mask comes off real fast with such people. They evade and deflect for a while but soon enough they show themselves...



Yep. That's all this is about.

Any normal person would consider all of the people saying, hey I have no problem with you but you're wrong here. And say, hmmm, maybe I'm wrong.

And even if they still disagreed, they would think, well, is it worth all of this just for me to brag on the internet?

Only one type of person thinks it is.

If someone acting as though they have a malignant personality disorder lashing out at the well being of forum members and others is protected by forum rules but he would be banned for calling them a butt head, the rules need adjustment.

Having said that, there are no NDAs in AP and nothing going on is illegal. So of course you are free to allow it.

But then anyone who is involved with AP or friends or benificiaries of AP would be foolish to contribute.

As I've said, many of us are/were happy to provide a lot of help and guidance, without blowing up the advantages. That helps nobody other than the casinos.

Those people are gonna be gone. All because one man has an insatiable ego.



Again, these people reveal themselves pretty quickly.

He needs it to be all about him. And it is. It's all about dark Oz now. He wins, everyone else loses.

If that's an outcome you're OK with, so be it. I think it's too bad.



Too funny. Maybe I'll start exposing some plays and promotions. Oh wait, I'm probably "allowed" because I work for the "Dark Side". You act like being an AP is some noble position.

I wonder if Derek Web. Is quitting the business and running away because others have taken food out of his families mouths by inventing good 3 card games?


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January 12th, 2020 at 7:28:12 PM permalink
Quote: redietz

This is all interesting to me. I'm a sports bettor, and I can't be data-mined, and I don't really use "angles," so none of this AP debate is applicable to me, but I have questions.

What I don't really understand is darkoz's motivation for exposing a play and his cost/benefit perspective. I guess the latter is what concerns me. I don't get it.

Obviously, the forum owners here have an email address associated with darkoz. My brother-in-law was a big-time PI (even wrote a surveillance book), and my understanding is that once you have an email address, you are 50/50 as a professional to be able to track down someone's real name and address. If the owners of the forum have darkoz's email address(es), then all it'll take to acquire them is money. Throw enough money at it, and you'll have darkoz's email. From there, you have a good start to having darkoz. From there, if people are sufficiently perturbed, it's the end of darkoz.

Maybe that's his goal. Who knows? Create personal risk to sell a book/movie script? Good plan if you survive, I guess, and if you have nobody related to you who is also at risk.

I have no real moral compass on any of this stuff, other than if I had been the person who told darkoz the play originally, and I had acquired a promise from him to not expose it, I would be forced to take matters into my own hands.

It's all fun and games until somebody's siblings wind up in the East River.


Darkoz’s email? He’s posted his full name on the forum in a thread that HE created. If DO cares about the info people know then he has done a terrible job.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/4655-queen-rock-opera-help/

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Sorry again for the long ramble but I wanted you to hear everything.
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January 12th, 2020 at 7:39:33 PM permalink
Quote: PokerGrinder

Darkoz’s email? He’s posted his full name on the forum in a thread that HE created. If DO cares about the info people know then he has done a terrible job.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/4655-queen-rock-opera-help/



Yes, now go out and buy my book.

Its on Amazon

I am not the one who is fearful on here obviously
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January 12th, 2020 at 7:41:20 PM permalink
LOL. Thanks, PokerGrinder. Well, then the man has decided that personal risk is needed to make his book/screenplay saleable. Wow. I guess some folks think bad things never happen.

Good luck with that.

Long live the fearless...and their families.
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January 12th, 2020 at 7:43:03 PM permalink
Quote: redietz

I noticed you didn't say that you discovered the play. You said that you taught yourself how to do it. Two different things.

I hope you and yours got Kevlar for Christmas. Hey, that would make a great song, "Kevlar for Christmas." Maybe work it into the darkoz feature film, based on the book.

"Chestnuts roasting on an open fire,
Hollow points whizzing by your nose.
Yuletide dirges being sung by a choir,
Kevlar vests bulk you up like Eskimos...."

I'll work on it.



Really???

The most ridiculous quibble.

I discovered it.

I taught myself how to do it

No one even on this forum thought of doing it my way.

They arent even upset at my description of the move but at possible hypotheticals that could come from its exposure

No one in my circle is coming to get me because I am the master teaching everyone else within my circle.

The people on my team rely on me. and they will still rely on me regardless of some posts on an internet forum
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January 12th, 2020 at 7:50:24 PM permalink
There aren't many people who invent stuff 100% on their own. Issac Newton, of all people, said he stood on the shoulders of giants.

(Jeff Foxworth voice) If you lack the humility of Issac freaking Newton, you just might be a malignant narcissist.

Even if you invent a new way to saw a lady in Half, you owe a debt to people who invented the first way, and to the people who came up with the whole framework of performing illusions for audiences.

And even if you independently conceived of the whole thing while living in a cave, yelling out how the trick is done during someone else's performance of a similar trick is scummy.


Quote: redietz

This is all interesting to me. I'm a sports bettor, and I can't be data-mined, and I don't really use "angles," so none of this AP debate is applicable to me, but I have questions.

What I don't really understand is darkoz's motivation for exposing a play and his cost/benefit perspective. I guess the latter is what concerns me. I don't get it.

Obviously, the forum owners here have an email address associated with darkoz. My brother-in-law was a big-time PI (even wrote a surveillance book), and my understanding is that once you have an email address, you are 50/50 as a professional to be able to track down someone's real name and address. If the owners of the forum have darkoz's email address(es), then all it'll take to acquire them is money. Throw enough money at it, and you'll have darkoz's email. From there, you have a good start to having darkoz. From there, if people are sufficiently perturbed, it's the end of darkoz.

Maybe that's his goal. Who knows? Create personal risk to sell a book/movie script? Good plan if you survive, I guess, and if you have nobody related to you who is also at risk.

I have no real moral compass on any of this stuff, other than if I had been the person who told darkoz the play originally, and I had acquired a promise from him to not expose it, I would be forced to take matters into my own hands.

It's all fun and games until somebody's siblings wind up in the East River.



He's already posted a link to his novel on Amazon, as pg said. I think the chances of violence are remote, but non zero. If he keeps yapping, it probably becomes significant

Being the center of attention and getting back at people who disrespected him > safety of his family.

You just might be...
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January 12th, 2020 at 8:02:16 PM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

There aren't many people who invent stuff 100% on their own. Issac Newton, of all people, said he stood on the shoulders of giants.



That line, supposedly, was an insult directed at Newton’s contemporary, fellow member of the Royal Academy and sometimes rival, Robert Hooke. Hooke was a hunchback, hence no “giant.”

ETA: Newton used the expression in a letter he wrote to Hooke.
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January 12th, 2020 at 8:24:11 PM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

You're my friend but I think you are quite misguided here.



You make many good points and that was a very well-written post.

Ultimately, there is not a rule against revealing plays here and there is a respect of free speech. Nevertheless, I respect your opinion, a lot.

What is said to Rigondeaux applies to all those leaving -- I harbor no hard feelings and hope you understand my position and harbor none against me. Do what you have to do.
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