Why you should leave WOV

Quote: TDVegas

What did this guy do to force an exodus of members? Curious.

Mission explained it here:

https://wizardofvegas.com/articles/on-advantage-play-and-tribalism-part-1/

Quote: HugoSlavia

Mission explained it here:

https://wizardofvegas.com/articles/on-advantage-play-and-tribalism-part-1/

FYI, the fact that Mission wrote that article is what pushed people over the edge.

Some people never learn.(hint to Mission).

I will quote Mission. "You were right Axle, spreading AP information is f****** stupid." or something like that.
Writing about people talking about AP information I'm feeling it front and center on the Forum basically the same thing.

Mission you know I love ya, and it is what it is. I prefer just to drop it all so no real reason to respond. I get it.

P.S. I too am going to abstain from posting for a while.

I wonder If I should quit my job because competitors have stolen my ideas for promotions? They took food out of my families mouth and I had to create new and different ones.


ZCore13

Quote: Boz

Make it 14 after PG. Only said a brief Hello to Rig once but everyone I respect says the guy is the real deal. To me being trustworthy is the most important thing in the AP community. I’m no FT AP but have made a good amount of money from learning from people who trusted me and helped me. I could never repay that to them but I appreciate the trust shown in me.

Unlike typical Boz I’m not going to go out with a suspension saying what I really think. You all know how to find me.

#supportRig

15th

Maybe this will spur them to form the UAP local 7711

An AP union is what seems in order here

They can all pay dues to help fund Advantage Plays

I heard all the magicians are refusing to use YouTube as well since so many magic tricks are being discussed over there

https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&client=ms-android-virgin-us&source=android-browser&q=magic+three+ropes+trick

This is all interesting to me. I'm a sports bettor, and I can't be data-mined, and I don't really use "angles," so none of this AP debate is applicable to me, but I have questions.

What I don't really understand is darkoz's motivation for exposing a play and his cost/benefit perspective. I guess the latter is what concerns me. I don't get it.

Obviously, the forum owners here have an email address associated with darkoz. My brother-in-law was a big-time PI (even wrote a surveillance book), and my understanding is that once you have an email address, you are 50/50 as a professional to be able to track down someone's real name and address. If the owners of the forum have darkoz's email address(es), then all it'll take to acquire them is money. Throw enough money at it, and you'll have darkoz's email. From there, you have a good start to having darkoz. From there, if people are sufficiently perturbed, it's the end of darkoz.

Maybe that's his goal. Who knows? Create personal risk to sell a book/movie script? Good plan if you survive, I guess, and if you have nobody related to you who is also at risk.

I have no real moral compass on any of this stuff, other than if I had been the person who told darkoz the play originally, and I had acquired a promise from him to not expose it, I would be forced to take matters into my own hands.

It's all fun and games until somebody's siblings wind up in the East River.

Quote: redietz

I have no real moral compass on any of this stuff, other than if I had been the person who told darkoz the play originally, and I had acquired a promise from him to not expose it, I would be forced to take matters into my own hands.

It's all fun and games until somebody's siblings wind up in the East River.

I suppose since I taught myself how to do it I will have to kill myself then, lol

Quote: Wizard

I will be sorry to see you, but understand why. Thank you for your many years of contributions. I hope there are no hard feelings against me personally as I have zero against you.

You're my friend but I think you are quite misguided here.

First, perhaps consider the actual material impact of publicizing what could be termed trade secrets. It's not an abstract matter. It's not about hurt feelings. If this becomes the "Darkoz blows up plays" forum, some people might be in very different places in the future as a result.

If it is wrong to insult someone out of spite, why isn't it wrong to attack their income?

On that note, when I say darkoz is a narcissist, I'm not calling him a jerk or a poopy pants. I'm observing a pattern of behavior. There are many indicators like giving himself grandiose titles.

But the relevant example... A lot of people will step on you for money or love or whatever. A narcissist will step on other people just to satiate their ego. In this case, I think partly to prove his naysayers wrong. Though those people are 1% of those he is hurting, he just doesn't care.

I've also noticed the mask comes off real fast with such people. They evade and deflect for a while but soon enough they show themselves...

Quote: darkoz

No need!

I think Most Feared has now been proven on its own

Yep. That's all this is about.

Any normal person would consider all of the people saying, hey I have no problem with you but you're wrong here. And say, hmmm, maybe I'm wrong.

And even if they still disagreed, they would think, well, is it worth all of this just for me to brag on the internet?

Only one type of person thinks it is.

If someone acting as though they have a malignant personality disorder lashing out at the well being of forum members and others is protected by forum rules but he would be banned for calling them a butt head, the rules need adjustment.

Having said that, there are no NDAs in AP and nothing going on is illegal. So of course you are free to allow it.

But then anyone who is involved with AP or friends or benificiaries of AP would be foolish to contribute.

As I've said, many of us are/were happy to provide a lot of help and guidance, without blowing up the advantages. That helps nobody other than the casinos.

Those people are gonna be gone. All because one man has an insatiable ego.

Quote: darkoz

Good so maybe I can single handedly eliminate AP's from the web.

I will start posting to all the gambling sites I can

Again, these people reveal themselves pretty quickly.

He needs it to be all about him. And it is. It's all about dark Oz now. He wins, everyone else loses.

If that's an outcome you're OK with, so be it. I think it's too bad.