Trump's Second and Third year in office
Guess we can all just go to bed.
(That’s sarcasm BTW. No way it’s over yet).
Florida looking bleak -- too red. Nelson always had me worried anyway. He's nearly the walking dead.
And MSNBC calls the House for Dems.
Yet, I’m still skeptical for some reason.
Quote: ams288Beto loses in Texas, but helps bring some Dem House candidates over the line.
And MSNBC calls the House for Dems.
Yet, I’m still skeptical for some reason.
Your Golden. Lots of GOP races where they are way down, just waiting to be called. PA is a disaster for the GOP, which probably isn’t shocking. Trump saved some of those seats in 16 with new voters that voted straight Republican. I personally know some of these voters who stupidly didn’t bother to vote today.
Quote: RSI'm looking at politico because it's the easiest to click through different races....but if I'm not mistaken, Nevada voting ended today at 7pm (it's 7:48pm, local)...but there aren't any votes yet counted or submitted for NV? :'(
@NVElect: People are still voting in Clark, Washoe, Lyon, and Elko due to long lines. No results will be released until voting has ended in all counties. Results will be posted at SilverStateElection.com.
It has the county breakdown in each state by % of vote in. You can which counties have a lot of vote still out and how their results are going so far.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/06/us/elections/results-florida-elections.html
Quote: BozAnd Gillum loses. Florida wins. Thank You Floridians.
Florida ends up like it was yesterday, but the House will be a different beast for the next 2 years at least.
Quote: BozYour Golden. Lots of GOP races where they are way down, just waiting to be called. PA is a disaster for the GOP, which probably isn’t shocking. Trump saved some of those seats in 16 with new voters that voted straight Republican. I personally know some of these voters who stupidly didn’t bother to vote today.
Just think how tilted the House would be for the Dems if most of the states drew districts fairly. Good for PA for putting their foot down.
Overall, I'd be happy tonight if I was a Republican.
It's amazing how many Republicans are actually claiming a split Congress is really better than one party control.
Clark County DA who is running unopposed stopped in, shook a few hands but didn't address the crowd.
Perhaps someone can explain this. The DAs office is supposed to be non-partisan so what they do is have an open primary in the Spring. Unless someone gets 50% plus one vote, the top two go on to the election. This guy won over 50% in the primary so he runs unopposed in the general. Not sure how that makes any sense.
Since he won more than 50% in the primary and is running unopposed, why even have an election.
Huge cheer here as Colorado just elected an openly gay Governor.
Fox News's "prediction meter" was terrible tonight. Early on they thought it was 50/50 for Senate control. Hahaha no way it was ever a coin flip!
Quote:Election results
Percent Candidate Party Votes Winner
78% Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Dem 100,044 ✓
13.8% Anthony Pappas GOP 17,762
6.6% Joe Crowley 8,505
1.6% Other 2,028
98% of precincts reporting (440/449)
128,339 total votes
Not sure if I'm shocked that it happened....or something to be expected because....well...it's New York. Hopefully she can turn it down a few notches on all the socialist BS. Oooooof!
Quote: RSNot sure if I'm shocked that it happened....or something to be expected because....well...it's New York.
Here in NY, elections are decided in June and September, with the Dem primaries. Election day is when people line up 400 deep in Manhattan to make it official.
This is the future.
There were certainly some heartbreaks (FLORIDA, and the Senate in general). But there were also some sweet victories (bye-bye Scott Walker!).
I don't pay much attention to politics, basically because I never understand what is going one. But from what I heard prior the house had a ton of seats up that could swing to the dems and the senate didnt have as many and the ones they had were rep strong holds already. So my question is, from this election does it look like the voters came out to go against trump? If so that seems like the same thing will happen in 2020 and we will see a trump 1 term?
Quote: SOOPOOGolly.... I guess I need to explain the underlying concept he was making..... Not that he didn't vote for an accused, but that he didn't BECAUSE they were accused..... My point, even if i misinterpreted his post, is that making a proclamation that you wont vote for someone based on an ACCUSATION is a weakness. Too many McNuggets tonight?
I should have known that taking people at their word instead of searching for their hidden meaning has no place in anything related to politics
Quote: GWAESo my question is, from this election does it look like the voters came out to go against trump? If so that seems like the same thing will happen in 2020 and we will see a trump 1 term?
You'll get lots of answers on this one and the truth is that we are not even sure yet why things played out the way they did last night. The answers to your question will likely change as time moves along because both parties have a chance to do big things; the question becomes which one runs with it.
I am going to try and post less on politics here and anywhere else--there is no real "discussion" here most of the time; it is just people talking at each other and being disrespectful to people they don't even know. Easy to do. I have probably done some of it. Zero minds changed; zero actual impact on a vote. Half the people calling the other half "stupid" is idiotic for ALL of us.
Quote: GWAEso with dems taking over the house does that mean literally nothing will happen in the next 2 years?
Nope
It simply makes Trumps job harder
Talented Presidents have gotten stuff done when they dont hold both houses
Take pre existing conditions
Dems are for coverage. I hear Republicans also support that
Work hard and get it done
Quote: GWAEso with dems taking over the house does that mean literally nothing will happen in the next 2 years?
I don't pay much attention to politics, basically because I never understand what is going one. But from what I heard prior the house had a ton of seats up that could swing to the dems and the senate didnt have as many and the ones they had were rep strong holds already. So my question is, from this election does it look like the voters came out to go against trump? If so that seems like the same thing will happen in 2020 and we will see a trump 1 term?
It was a very average midterm. Obama had a way worse wipeout and still held to win.
Quote: ams288I'd say it was a good night for Dems, not great.
There were certainly some heartbreaks (FLORIDA, and the Senate in general). But there were also some sweet victories (bye-bye Scott Walker!).
I disagree. I think it was a pretty bad night in general.
There was a blue wave, but it was only in my state - Illinois.
Outside of Illinois, the only good victory of any consequence was the one you mentioned - Walker losing.
They took the house by the margin predicted, and lost most of the tossups. To me, that equals a bad night. The Senate is probably not in play in 2020. Trumps brand was really not weakened. If the Dems can’t dig up corruption that’s bad enough (they probably won’t), he’s going to get another term.
I think Dems are relieved they got the house, but they shouldn’t be happy about last night.
Quote: terapinedNope
It simply makes Trumps job harder
Talented Presidents have gotten stuff done when they dont hold both houses
Take pre existing conditions
Dems are for coverage. I hear Republicans also support that
Work hard and get it done
Seems like Nancy was in favor of people having Pre Existing Conditions.
Great video and audio of her saying “Let’s hear it for Pre Existing Conditions”. Guess she means diabetes for everyone.
Like Terrapin, Red Tide is a big issue for me. There has to be a solution out there because it is killing small business when it occurs. It’s coming further North in the Gulf and lasting longer in the year. And Hurricane Michael only made it worse by pushing it in.
I refuse to believe DeSantis doesn’t care about it and Gillum would have solved it. And if Gillum has the solution, as a citizen of Florida he needs to share it with everyone. Odds are his idea of a solution was just throwing money at it and hoping for the best.
Another Florida issue for me is the Pythons in the Everglades. This doesn’t get as much publicity anymore but many species are long gone from the area including Mammals and Birds. Perhaps sadly it will take a death of a human to solve the issue.
PA
The suburbs of PA were a disaster for the GOP. Too many Philadelphia liberals leaving the city because of how bad it is, but bringing their liberal views with them.
The only candidate that survived was Brian Fitzpatrick, only because the Dens nominated a far left lunatic who had millions to spend. But he was anti police, pro Safe Injection Sites, etc.
Like the GOP at times, the libs don’t elect the best general election candidate due to not enough people voting.
And bringing it back around, this is exactly what happened in Florida. Gillum was too far left for many Floridians, Bernie and his politics are still not mainstream enough to win elections in most areas. They had better candidates in the primary but those who bothered to vote went for the long shot dream, only to see it crushed last night.
Radicalism, not Racism is why Gillum lost.
Quote: BozRandom PA and Florida thoughts.
Like Terrapin, Red Tide is a big issue for me. There has to be a solution out there because it is killing small business when it occurs. It’s coming further North in the Gulf and lasting longer in the year. And Hurricane Michael only made it worse by pushing it in.
I refuse to believe DeSantis doesn’t care about it and Gillum would have solved it. And if Gillum has the solution, as a citizen of Florida he needs to share it with everyone. Odds are his idea of a solution was just throwing money at it and hoping for the best.
I believe its caused by the sugar industry
Lake Okeechobee is disgusting due to the sugar industry
The lake empties into the east and west coast of Florida causing red tide
No doubt Desantis is against red tide, the question. Does he have the guts to go against sugar. Probably not
https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/red-tide/scientists-say-florida-can-avoid-future-red-tide-disasters-but-special-interests-might-be-in-the-way/67-609206540
Quote: Boz
Another Florida issue for me is the Pythons in the Everglades. This doesn’t get as much publicity anymore but many species are long gone from the area including Mammals and Birds. Perhaps sadly it will take a death of a human to solve the issue.
I don't know if anything can be done.
Maybe for one day we can dream of a better country with government working for us all, instead of just a few.
Quote: FinsRuleI disagree. I think it was a pretty bad night in general.
There was a blue wave, but it was only in my state - Illinois.
Outside of Illinois, the only good victory of any consequence was the one you mentioned - Walker losing.
They took the house by the margin predicted, and lost most of the tossups. To me, that equals a bad night. The Senate is probably not in play in 2020. Trumps brand was really not weakened. If the Dems can’t dig up corruption that’s bad enough (they probably won’t), he’s going to get another term.
I think Dems are relieved they got the house, but they shouldn’t be happy about last night.
Agree. I was definitely disappointed. His base came out like 2016. Trump is getting re-elected unless:
1) Resigns or gets removed from office (unlikely).
2) The economy tanks (possibly).
Quote: RonCYou'll get lots of answers on this one and the truth is that we are not even sure yet why things played out the way they did last night. The answers to your question will likely change as time moves along because both parties have a chance to do big things; the question becomes which one runs with it.
I am going to try and post less on politics here and anywhere else--there is no real "discussion" here most of the time; it is just people talking at each other and being disrespectful to people they don't even know. Easy to do. I have probably done some of it. Zero minds changed; zero actual impact on a vote. Half the people calling the other half "stupid" is idiotic for ALL of us.
To be honest, you're one of the opinions I actually enjoy reading. I think you make points that are well backed up, and you are never rude to others that disagree with you.
Danny Tarkanian ran to replace Rosen. He now has ran for office seven times and lost seven times. The local GOP decided against bringing Trump out to Las Vegas, which was smart on their part. However, they ended up sending Don jr and Eric instead. The results speak for itself. Tens of millions spent on a horrible candidate over the last fifteen years. Hopefully Nevada has seen the end of D.T. I will miss the ad where he tried to explain term limits to a dog.
Democrats flipped the State House and I have been told that Nevada will be the only state where women are the majority in the legislature.
Hopefully, the GOP gives up on Nevada and we aren't subject to being bombarded with political ads in 2018. Or maybe it is better if they sink another 30 million dollars or so with no results.
"Attorney General Jeff Sessions resigns at Trump’s request"
I foresee a(n exceptionally) turbulent week in Washington. Good luck to us all. I fear we will need it.
Quote: billryanBased on yesterdays results, can any Republican say they feel comfortable thinking trump will win either Pennsylvania or Wisconsin? That he might win a state in 2020 that he lost in 2016? If so, which state do you see that happening in?
The only chances for Trump pickup states in 2020 would be Minnesota, Nevada, or New Hampshire.
Minnesota is extremely unlikely, as it appears the Midwest has learned its lesson.
Quote: OnceDearHot off the press...
"Attorney General Jeff Sessions resigns at Trump’s request"
I foresee a(n exceptionally) turbulent week in Washington. Good luck to us all. I fear we will need it.
In times of great turmoil, take comfort in the happiest phrase ever uttered- And this too shall pass.
In times of great success, remember the saddest phrase ever uttered- And this too shall pass.
GZY. Letters to live by.
Quote: OnceDearHot off the press...
"Attorney General Jeff Sessions resigns at Trump’s request"
I foresee a(n exceptionally) turbulent week in Washington. Good luck to us all. I fear we will need it.
Attorney Generals job is to enforce the law
but
Trump does not want an Attorney general enforcing the law
Trump wants an Attorney general to protect him from the law
sad
WE? IIRC you are not even an American. It's obvious you would like nothing more than to be one of us.Quote: OnceDearHot off the press...
"Attorney General Jeff Sessions resigns at Trump’s request"
I foresee a(n exceptionally) turbulent week in Washington. Good luck to us all. I fear we will need it.
Quote: BozAnd bringing it back around, this is exactly what happened in Florida. Gillum was too far left for many Floridians,
If that is true then it is also true than DeSantis is not really what Floridians wanted as there is barely a percentage point difference in vote count. In other words, not true at all.
60 -40 vote percentage could make that argument.
Quote: Boz
PA
The suburbs of PA were a disaster for the GOP. Too many Philadelphia liberals leaving the city because of how bad it is, but bringing their liberal views with them.
The only candidate that survived was Brian Fitzpatrick, only because the Dens nominated a far left lunatic who had millions to spend. But he was anti police, pro Safe Injection Sites, etc.
Like the GOP at times, the libs don’t elect the best general election candidate due to not enough people voting.
I live in the largest Philadelphia suburb and have no idea what you are talking about.
My county has always leaned super far right until the most recent elections. We voted for Trump by a pretty huge margin. Registered voter turnout for the midterms was 63%.
Liberals leaving the city because of how bad it is? No one here has even mentioned anything like that. The city is fine. Certainly better than it ever was in the 80’s/90’s
Wealthy people migrate from the city because they like to live on farms rather than high-rises.
I consider myself a pretty rational centrist, and I don’t see the things you are talking about actually living in the area. If you’d like to elaborate I am all ears.
Quote: gamerfreakI live in the largest Philadelphia suburb and have no idea what you are talking about.
My county has always leaned super far right until the most recent elections. We voted for Trump by a pretty huge margin. Registered voter turnout for the midterms was 63%.
Liberals leaving the city because of how bad it is? No one here has even mentioned anything like that. The city is fine. Certainly better than it ever was in the 80’s/90’s
Wealthy people migrate from the city because they like to live on farms rather than high-rises.
I consider myself a pretty rational centrist, and I don’t see the things you are talking about actually living in the area. If you’d like to elaborate I am all ears.
Montgomery, Chester and Bucks continue to become more liberal year after year. And the only explanation is the influx of liberals from the city. Philadelphia has went crazy left under Jim Kenney and Krasner. Not sure which one you live in, but it’s why Costello didn’t even bother to run.
From the soda tax to the mess in Kensington to the Safe injection sites, Philly is a mess. Hard to wake up any morning without seeing shootings on the news. I get it’s a big city but flight to the burbs is happening.
And I’m open to your thoughts on why the area is voters more and more a Democratic. I’m open to correction.
I'm a citizen of the same planet. For better or worse, right or wrong, left or right, whatever happens in Washington has global repercussions.Quote: AxelWolfWE? IIRC you are not even an American. It's obvious you would like nothing more than to be one of us.
And no. I'd rather be English than American, though we each have our issues. I AM of generally the same species and at the moment, that doesn't make me proud.
Quote: rxwineIf that is true then it is also true than DeSantis is not really what Floridians wanted as there is barely a percentage point difference in vote count. In other words, not true at all.
60 -40 vote percentage could make that argument.
I think we agree, I don’t think most Floridians wanted Ron. But he was the lessor of 2 evils in this case. Better to keep the status quo and what Scott built on compared to Gillum’s lunacy.
Putnam was a better GOP candidate and would have beaten Gillum by 3 or more.
And Graham or Levine would have beaten DeSantis by 3 or more.
Primaries have consequences as the GOP learned with O’Donnell, Angle & Akin. All winnable seats. Maybe the Dems need the sane lesson. Nominating fringe lunatics may play with part of the base but usually doesn’t win general elections.
Quote: BozMontgomery, Chester and Bucks continue to become more liberal year after year. And the only explanation is the influx of liberals from the city. Philadelphia has went crazy left under Jim Kenney and Krasner. Not sure which one you live in, but it’s why Costello didn’t even bother to run.
From the soda tax to the mess in Kensington to the Safe injection sites, Philly is a mess. Hard to wake up any morning without seeing shootings on the news. I get it’s a big city but flight to the burbs is happening.
And I’m open to your thoughts on why the area is voters more and more a Democratic. I’m open to correction.
I’m in Chester County.
Looking at election results, I don’t think the Democratic shift has been slow like you are suggesting.
Chester County is by no means a low income area, and we have very high voter turnout, more than 70% in most elections. The 2008/2012 election, and the local elections up until 2016 were very heavily republican. John McCain and Mitt Romney both beat Obama.
2016 was split pretty much 50/50 like the rest of the country, and it was a Blue wave in last years local elections and this mid term election. Last year Chester County elected the first democratic judge in nearly 100 years.
You can scapegoat big city liberals so much. The county leaned heavily Republican prior to 2016, and shifted slightly democratic after 2016. It was a sudden pretty sudden change, and you have to consider that people are just not happy with the Trump administration and republicans in general, whether you agree with the reasons or not.
Quote:Trump Signs Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental Illnesses
Quote:President Barack Obama recommended the now-nullified regulation in a 2013 memo following the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, which left 20 first graders and six others dead. The measure sought to block some people with severe mental health problems from buying guns.
Quote:There's no secret. Just know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
Quote: DRichRuth Bader Ginsburg is in the hospital and the Democrats have begun sweating. Hopefully the doctors can patch her up or at least keep her on life support for a couple of years.
She can still resign from being on SCOTUS, right? Without dying, that is.
