Trump's Second and Third year in office
Quote: SanchoPanzaT. --Daily Mail
Your link is more interesting read in full. As Ukraine sold much of stockpile for money rather than destroy it. So, they weren't that interested in keeping it anyway for protection it seems.
In fact, the purpose of destroying weapons by Obama and Lugar was to keep them from ending up in terrorist hands as WMD around the world.
So smoking gun, or what yer smokin'? I say, what yer smokin as your there there ain't all there in my view.
But the efforts for democratisation of the world is an ideal seen by leaders on both sides of the aisle and has been like this for decades. That's because democracies generally do much better than dictatorships. Freedom wins over Ruthlessness and so on
Quote: TigerWuRight, so he absolutely nothing to do with its creation or rise to power. Obama can not be blamed for ISIS.
He didn't create ISIS, but his mistakes and reluctance to act, allowed them to enrich themselves and expand.
He admits the US underestimated ISIS and overestimated the ability of the Iraqi military.
“I don't know whether 10,000 troops would have given us the leverage.” Is he kidding? ISIS only had 800 fighters when they took Mosul.
They later took the Iraqi oil fields and sold the oil at half price to fund their expansion, while Obama sat and watched.
The Russians complained ISIS was selling the oil in Turkey. They produced photos of thousands of ISIS oil tankers headed into Turkey. After Obama failed to act, the Russians began bombing those 12,000 ISIS oil trucks, while Obama bit his nails.
After a few months, of watching Russians bomb oil trucks, Obama finally relented and began bombing the oil fields, before the Russians did it. Why did he even hesitate?
If not for the Russians, he might not have done that.
Yes, Obama is responsible for the rise of ISIS.
Quote:LOL... no, no.... The Libyan Civil War had begun before we even got involved,...
The war started on Feb. 15, 2011. Only three weeks later, five US bombers dropped bombs on at least 100 targets in Libya.
More than 100 targets planned and executed in less than three weeks. Spur of the moment decision, of course. Not like it was planned months in advance.
Quote:And what magical crystal ball did you use to determine this alternate version of history?
Most international experts monitoring the conflict use a general figure of over 500,000 deaths.
An estimated 11 million Syrians have fled their homes since the outbreak of the civil war in March 2011.
The rebels were not well armed before we sent them 400 tons of American weapons, plus an unspecified number of arms purchased by the US and other nations, which were diverted to Syria.
Many of those arms ended up in the hands of ISIS, who purchased the weapons on the black market, with money made from the oil fields that Obama was so reluctant to bomb.
How long do you think the rebels would have lasted without that support?
Quote:The civil war started before the West even got involved. You're spouting Russian conspiracy theory.
That was a Ukranian presidential president accusing the US of planning for a civil war in Ukraine, six months before it started.
Hours after giving that speech, he was attacked on the street and nearly beaten to death.
It is not 'Russian conspiracy theory', when the U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for the Eastern European Desk, is in fact, discussing who the US intended to insert as the next president of Ukraine.
Quote: TankoHe didn't create ISIS, but his mistakes and reluctance to act, allowed them to enrich themselves and expand.
He admits the US underestimated ISIS and overestimated the ability of the Iraqi military.
“I don't know whether 10,000 troops would have given us the leverage.” Is he kidding? ISIS only had 800 fighters when they took Mosul.
They later took the Iraqi oil fields and sold the oil at half price to fund their expansion, while Obama sat and watched.
The Russians complained ISIS was selling the oil in Turkey. They produced photos of thousands of ISIS oil tankers headed into Turkey. After Obama failed to act, the Russians began bombing those 12,000 ISIS oil trucks, while Obama bit his nails.
After a few months, of watching Russians bomb oil trucks, Obama finally relented and began bombing the oil fields, before the Russians did it. Why did he even hesitate?
If not for the Russians, he might not have done that.
Yes, Obama is responsible for the rise of ISIS.
The war started on Feb. 15, 2011. Only three weeks later, five US bombers dropped bombs on at least 100 targets in Libya.
More than 100 targets planned and executed in less than three weeks. Spur of the moment decision, of course. Not like it was planned months in advance.
Most international experts monitoring the conflict use a general figure of over 500,000 deaths.
An estimated 11 million Syrians have fled their homes since the outbreak of the civil war in March 2011.
The rebels were not well armed before we sent them 400 tons of American weapons, plus an unspecified number of arms purchased by the US and other nations, which were diverted to Syria.
Many of those arms ended up in the hands of ISIS, who purchased the weapons on the black market, with money made from the oil fields that Obama was so reluctant to bomb.
How long do you think the rebels would have lasted without that support?
That was a Ukranian presidential president accusing the US of planning for a civil war in Ukraine, six months before it started.
Hours after giving that speech, he was attacked on the street and nearly beaten to death.
It is not 'Russian conspiracy theory', when the U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for the Eastern European Desk, is in fact, discussing who the US intended to insert as the next president of Ukraine.
The whole world was affected by isis terrorism and their banding together to defeat them
Blaming one guy is ridiculous. Obama was leader of the free world as much as trump is now. As you can see every country does what it wants. There was a global lack of doing anything that caused Isis to rise
Trump is responsible for Isis by not running for president until 2016.
See how easy it is to blame someone.
Quote: billryanHow did 800 fighters hope to drive the 12,000 trucks?
It was actually just a large Hess toy truck collection
Quote: billryanHow did 800 fighters hope to drive the 12,000 trucks?
The same way Adam and Eve started the entire human race, had 2 sons, Cain killed Abel, then was able to leave and find a wife with another people. Who came from where, exactly? And what was the plan to populate the earth, with no women beyond Eve?
Facts don't matter when you're making s!#/ fit your narrative.
As for Libya, not only were they breeding terrorists for decades, there were YEARS, not months, of planning and coordination among nations on what to do about them. That's what the Pentagon does: thousands of military personnel do nothing else but game out what-if's for every possible confrontation, and Libya had been a problem since Reagan, at least.
They were such a huge source of terrorism in the 80s and 90s, that they were the "guys" who came to shoot Doc Brown in Back to the Future (1985). He stole their weapons-grade heavy metal.
Any attempt to point fingers in isolation is going to be refutable, if not just laughable. These things happen within a much larger sphere, for complex reasons, hidden behind layers of secrecy and money. Libya is just one example of that.
Alex Jones deleted his own accounts online to promote an Infowars crisis
Alex Jones is an obvious crisis actor trying to rally the right behind Trump
:-)
Quote: beachbumbabsand in fact (Trump) has been sued thousands of times
Not true. He's been in 3500 lawsuits,
but was the defendant in only 1400.
He was the one suing in 1900 of them.
It's called the price of business. Even
my wife in her small business, was
involved in several lawsuits. It's
unavoidable.
Quote:
U.S. Officials Scrambled Behind the Scenes to Shield NATO Deal From Trump
WASHINGTON — Senior American national security officials, seeking to prevent President Trump from upending a formal policy agreement at last month’s NATO meeting, pushed the military alliance’s ambassadors to complete it before the forum even began.
The work to preserve the North Atlantic Treaty Organization agreement, which is usually subject to intense 11th-hour negotiations, came just weeks after Mr. Trump refused to sign off on a communiqué from the June meeting of the Group of 7 in Canada.
The rushed machinations to get the policy done, as demanded by John R. Bolton, the national security adviser, have not been previously reported. Described by European diplomats and American officials, the efforts are a sign of the lengths to which the president’s top advisers will go to protect a key and longstanding international alliance from Mr. Trump’s unpredictable antipathy.
[…]
At a 2016 meeting in Warsaw, last-minute changes in the communiqué were shown to President Barack Obama. By contrast, American officials said, this year Mr. Trump was presented with only the broad outlines of what the meeting would deliver — not details of the document of 79 paragraphs, running 23 pages.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-officials-scrambled-behind-the-scenes-to-shield-nato-deal-from-trump/ar-BBLILmn?ocid=spartanntp
Quote: billryanHow did 800 fighters hope to drive the 12,000 trucks?
They didn't. Turkish trucks, driven by Turkish drivers to enrich Erdogan and his family. Which is likely why Obama ignored them.
Quote: beachbumbabs
As for Libya, not only were they breeding terrorists for decades, there were YEARS, not months, of planning and coordination among nations on what to do about them.
True. He should have been killed for Lockerbie. He also tried to blackmail Europe and threatened “Europe would turn Black’ unless they paid him $6 billion a year to keep the migrants from reaching Europe.
Don’t know whether he was ever paid, but while he was alive, few migrants reached Europe.
More important. He was behaving himself.
He was also generous to his people, and they miss life under his regime.
Then, for no apparent reason, NATO, led by Obama and Cameron, decided Ghadafi had to go. Never mind the thousands of innocents who would be slaughtered.
They started their campaign with the usual false ‘he’s killing his own people’ narrative. He was killing rebels. That was the beginning of the end. They bombed Libya into the stone age, and today, the Libyans are selling Black slaves in open air markets. CNN Video.
Since then, nearly 2 million of the migrants Ghadafi warned about, have flooded into Europe.
All of that, courtesy of the Nobel Peace Prize winner.
“You so famously and so powerfully said, ‘George Bush doesn’t care about black people,’ It makes me wonder what makes you think that Donald Trump does or any people at all?”
Kanye just sat unable to respond
Jimmy saved him by going to commercial
LOL
Quote: TankoHe was also generous to his people, and they miss life under his regime.
You can find similar articles about how life was better under Saddam before American rightwingers messed it all up.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/it-was-better-to-live-in-iraq-under-saddam-9532742.html
https://www.businessinsider.com/heres-what-life-in-iraq-was-like-under-saddam-hussein-2014-7
lol.. so now trump hasn't been sued 'thousands' of times... just 1400 (that EB is even reporting about so probably more)... yeah that number isn't over 1,000 to use the correct vernacular of 'thousands'...Quote: EvenBobNot true. He's been in 3500 lawsuits,
but was the defendant in only 1400.
He was the one suing in 1900 of them.
It's called the price of business. Even
my wife in her small business, was
involved in several lawsuits. It's
unavoidable.
Also funny, because trumps "businesses" are larger than a home business they think it's more "normal" to have more lawsuits. No. No it's not. Go look at some of the largest companies and they haven't been in 3500 lawsuits... because they're not con men.
The first one "accomplished nothing" during his eight years in office except play golf, wear tan suits, and eat mustard.
The second one started multiple civil wars around the globe and destroyed everything about the American way of life.
Quote: rxwineYou can find similar articles about how life was better under Saddam before American rightwingers messed it all up.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/it-was-better-to-live-in-iraq-under-saddam-9532742.html
https://www.businessinsider.com/heres-what-life-in-iraq-was-like-under-saddam-hussein-2014-7
LOL
Human rights under Saddam Hussein
Quite a utopia he had goin' on, there....
Do I believe Omarosa? Not necessarily. But is her word any less believable than Donald's? (No.)
Donald always says he only hires the best people. Maybe that doesn't apply to reality show villains?
Quote: ams288Omarosa claims in new book Trump 'racist,' used the N-word
Do I believe Omarosa? Not necessarily. But is her word any less believable than Donald's? (No.)
Donald always says he only hires the best people. Maybe that doesn't apply to reality show villains?
I don't believe anything Omarosa says
She's a media whore
hmm
The perfect person to be in the Trump administration
A media whore that lies
ROTFL
Quote: ams288Omarosa claims in new book Trump 'racist,' used the N-word
Do I believe Omarosa? Not necessarily. But is her word any less believable than Donald's? (No.)
Donald always says he only hires the best people. Maybe that doesn't apply to reality show villains?
Supposedly she has it on tape.
Maybe yes, maybe no.
Quote: beachbumbabsQuote: ams288Omarosa claims in new book Trump 'racist,' used the N-word
Do I believe Omarosa? Not necessarily. But is her word any less believable than Donald's? (No.)
Donald always says he only hires the best people. Maybe that doesn't apply to reality show villains?
Supposedly she has it on tape.
Maybe yes, maybe no.
Would it even matter if she did?
I think a lot of his supporters would love it.
Quote: gamerfreakWould it even matter if she did?
I think a lot of his supporters would love it.
The only truthful thing Trump has ever said is that he could kill somebody on 5th avenue and not lose any voters.
Cult 45
Quote: TigerWuThe only truthful thing Trump has ever said is that he could kill somebody on 5th avenue and not lose any voters.
Cult 45
I’d love to know how Ben Carson would react.
But he is still in hiding after trying to spend $31k in taxpayer’s money on a silverware set.
Trump’s approval hits 50 percent.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/08/10/trumps-approval-hits-50-percent-in-a-doctored-poll-graphic-shared-by-his-son/?utm_term=.02e3d7f3f7c5
Today we learn the owner of a bank intervened in the normal process to get Mandatory almost twenty million dollars in loans, in November of 2016, and that Manafort recommended he be appointed Secretary of the Army.
Quote: billryanOmarosa is a member of the Secret Sisterhood, a keeper of The Secret Flame and a full fledged Deep State member. Possibly a paid agent of the Ottoman/ Sino- Nippon Axis. Her Chinese masters undoubtedly snipped any incriminating tapes together, just like the Hollywood Acess tape.
ROTFL
Part of the B team
I have heard 3 different versions of the N word Trump tape recording.
She has it and has played it for friends.
She does not have it but has heard it
Now the book is out
And
She talked to somebody that heard it.
Trump hired this woman????????
ROTFL
Even if Tanko is not offended by you conflating DJT's worst attributes with him, you lower the mean value of posts on this board by denigrating a member in good standing.Quote: 777In Tanko's absent and on his/her behalf I want to let everyone know that the latest approval rating of the racist, sexist, rapist, con-man, liar, and a subordinate of Putin is now at 50%. My heartfelt congratulations to all Trumpers.
What is it that compels you to ridicule others with different views?
Quote: petroglyphEven if Tanko is not offended by you conflating DJT's worst attributes with him, you lower the mean value of posts on this board by denigrating a member in good standing.
What is it that compels you to ridicule others with different views?
He wasn’t conflating Trump’s worst attributes with Tanko. I think you misread his post.
Quote: petroglyphEven if Tanko is not offended by you conflating DJT's worst attributes with him, you lower the mean value of posts on this board by denigrating a member in good standing.
What is it that compels you to ridicule others with different views?
It's sort of important that you left off the second part in 777s text. He was being sarcastic. The screenshot Jr. Tweeted was photoshopped, and the 40% made to look like 50%. That was the link, exposing the fraud.
I don't think he was insulting Tanko
Just tagging him with owning his support of Trump.
Quote: petroglyphEven if Tanko is not offended by you conflating DJT's worst attributes with him, you lower the mean value of posts on this board by denigrating a member in good standing.
What is it that compels you to ridicule others with different views?
This is no attack on Tanko
Just a little humor and a link to a doctored picture of a poll on CNN conservatives are gushing about
Lighten up
Thanks 777. Got a chuckle from your post and link
Quote: rxwineYou can find similar articles about how life was better under Saddam before American rightwingers messed it all up.
Bush started that war after his water boy Colin Powell testified before the UN Security Council, that Iraq had misled the inspectors, and hid weapons and equipment.
One week later, Hans Blix testified before the same UN Council that Iraq the inspectors did not find any WMD’s, but Iraq was in violation with their Samoud missiles, which were later tagged by the inspectors.
No matter. One month later, Bush invaded Iraq.
500,000 dead Iraqi’s, 4,500 dead Americans, plus 32,000 wounded, Iran dominates the region, and they were better off with Saddam.
Total cost of that war is $2.4 trillion.
Then along came Obama and that laughing psychopath Hillary, who the pathetic gimps worship.
Zero Hedge
U.N Experts:
“Just prior to the beginning of the 2011 unrest, Syria was a fast-growing, lower-middle-income country with an average annual GDP growth of 4.3%; but a major study produced six years into the war by the World Bank, entitled The Toll of War: The Economic and Social Consequences of the Conflict in Syria, found that by 2017 Syria’s GDP had contracted by an estimated 63%, amounting to a cumulative loss of $226 billion, about four times the 2010 GDP, the World Bank report found.”
“UN puts cost of Syrian war at $400 billion.”
“The ESCWA experts added that the figure does not include "human losses resulting from deaths or the loss of human competences and skilled labor due to displacement,”
"one of the intended effects of the international war on Syria: the US, UK, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Qatar weren't able to overthrow the Syrian government, but they were able to bleed the country of c. $400 billion.” "And it's the people who suffer."
Thanks to Obama and Madam Blowfeld, the Russians have a permanent military base in Syria, and Iran has two.
Between the two war mongering presidents, one million people lost their lives, and no less than 14 million were displaced.
"The people opposing us are the same people — and think of this — who’ve wasted $6 trillion on wars in the Middle East — we could have rebuilt our country twice — that have produced only more terrorism, more death, and more suffering – imagine if that money had been spent at home,"
"We’ve spent $6 trillion, lost thousands of lives,"You could say hundreds of thousands of lives, because look at the other side also.”- Donald Trump
Doesn’t matter to the gimps. Mention Trump and those pathetic creatures pop out of their boxes, unzip their masks, and squeal the same old, ‘rapist, racist, collusion, crap they’ve been trained to spout for the past two years.
Quote: TankoBush started that war after his water boy Colin Powell testified before the UN Security Council, that Iraq had misled the inspectors, and hid weapons and equipment.
One week later, Hans Blix testified before the same UN Council that Iraq the inspectors did not find any WMD’s, but Iraq was in violation with their Samoud missiles, which were later tagged by the inspectors.
No matter. One month later, Bush invaded Iraq.
500,000 dead Iraqi’s, 4,500 dead Americans, plus 32,000 wounded, Iran dominates the region, and they were better off with Saddam.
Total cost of that war is $2.4 trillion.
Then along came Obama and that laughing psychopath Hillary, who the pathetic gimps worship.
Zero Hedge
U.N Experts:
“Just prior to the beginning of the 2011 unrest, Syria was a fast-growing, lower-middle-income country with an average annual GDP growth of 4.3%; but a major study produced six years into the war by the World Bank, entitled The Toll of War: The Economic and Social Consequences of the Conflict in Syria, found that by 2017 Syria’s GDP had contracted by an estimated 63%, amounting to a cumulative loss of $226 billion, about four times the 2010 GDP, the World Bank report found.”
“UN puts cost of Syrian war at $400 billion.”
“The ESCWA experts added that the figure does not include "human losses resulting from deaths or the loss of human competences and skilled labor due to displacement,”
"one of the intended effects of the international war on Syria: the US, UK, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Qatar weren't able to overthrow the Syrian government, but they were able to bleed the country of c. $400 billion.” "And it's the people who suffer."
Thanks to Obama and Madam Blowfeld, the Russians have a permanent military base in Syria, and Iran has two.
Between the two war mongering presidents, one million people lost their lives, and no less than 14 million were displaced.
"The people opposing us are the same people — and think of this — who’ve wasted $6 trillion on wars in the Middle East — we could have rebuilt our country twice — that have produced only more terrorism, more death, and more suffering – imagine if that money had been spent at home,"
"We’ve spent $6 trillion, lost thousands of lives,"You could say hundreds of thousands of lives, because look at the other side also.”- Donald Trump
Doesn’t matter to the gimps. Mention Trump and those pathetic creatures pop out of their boxes, unzip their masks, and squeal the same old, ‘rapist, racist, collusion, crap they’ve been trained to spout for the past two years.
Once you quoted Donald Trump as listing facts you lost all credibility
"Trained to spout" Good one coming from someone who uses Trump as a source of info
not just neo-nazis but the KKK, Aryan Nation, R.A.M. (rise above movement) - all the knuckledraggers under one flag
counterprotesters will be there in force in great numbers this time. it's going to be a 𝐰𝐢𝐥𝐝, 𝐰𝐢𝐥𝐝 day in DC tomorrow
Colbert said this: "Trump attracts more skinheads than Rogaine."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/opposition-groups-organize-to-counter-sundays-planned-white-supremacist-rally/2018/08/10/550869ae-9cb3-11e8-843b-36e177f3081c_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.deb6ceb67e73
Quote: lilredroostertomorrow in Washington D.C. is another Nazis who support Trump rally under the banner of "unite the right" like in Charlottesville.
"Jason Kessler, the organizer for [Unite the Right], stated in his permit application that he expected up to 400 people. But it is unclear if anywhere near that number will show up."
LOL
My Little Pony conventions get bigger crowds than these boneheads.
Quote: TigerWu"Jason Kessler, the organizer for [Unite the Right], stated in his permit application that he expected up to 400 people. But it is unclear if anywhere near that number will show up."
LOL
My Little Pony conventions get bigger crowds than these boneheads.
400??????????
Thats tiny
I used to live near DC so I saw a gazillion protests up close. Even the Palestinians were able to gather about 10k Muslims to protest on the mall. I still remember the chants. "Sharon and Hitler are the same, the only difference is their name"
WTF
The WH Situation room is supposed to be one the most secure rooms in the country
If you are a visitor , you must leave your cell phone outside and will be searched to make sure.
WH employees are exempt from the search but the rule remains the same, no cell phones in the Situation room.
Its supposed to be a totally secure room
Yet Omarosa not only brings her cell phone in which pretty much makes the Situation Room an unsecure room
She actually records. Pretty shocking from a security stand point.
I can now see security in the WH is handled by the keystone cops
Whats next, Trump letting Putin listen in on situation room discussions with his cell phone.
You know the Russians have a recording of that meeting somewhere. So Omarosa managing it can't be much of a surprise. Security is a joke to this administration. They think it's like a bottle club rope line bouncer, not national security. Just made to thwart those they don't want, those they consider disloyal, as an excuse, not to protect our national interests.
As the Queen of the left said, "Why does it matter"?Quote: beachbumbabsPrefaced by the shameful invitation to the Russians to meet in the Oval Office the day after he fired.Comey in May 2017. The day he gave them code-word Intel we'd gotten from the Israelis that put covert operatives in danger for their lives.
https://youtu.be/owIidAoUnlA
I lost it at “speciesist”. 🤣🤣🤣
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Quote: petroglyphAs the Queen of the left said, "Why does it matter"?
This post may have been successful had you used her actual quote.
Trump sounds like a dummy. Omarosa picked well what to release
Trump
"Omarosa, what’s going on? I just saw on the news that you’re thinking about leaving. What happened?".
Omarosa
"General Kelly came to me and said that you guys wanted me to leave,"
Trump
"No,Nobody even told me about it. You know, they run a big operation but I didn’t know it. I didn’t know that. Damnit."
"I don’t love you leaving at all,"
WTF. Trump does not know whats going on and wants Omorosa to stay
lol
Quote: RSJust found this channel that was recommended to me. Good stuff.
These "ambush" videos are just terrible in general, regardless of what political stance is being portrayed. 99% of people are terrible at public speaking and being put on the spot to answer questions, so whenever you have a polished, experienced interviewer trying to ask them questions, they always end up looking like an idiot.
The whole point of a protest is a numbers game. Singling out people and grilling them and expecting to get a perfectly worded and coherent answer is absurd.
Quote: TigerWuThese "ambush" videos are just terrible in general, regardless of what political stance is being portrayed. 99% of people are terrible at public speaking and being put on the spot to answer questions, so whenever you have a polished, experienced interviewer trying to ask them questions, they always end up looking like an idiot.
The whole point of a protest is a numbers game. Singling out people and grilling them and expecting to get a perfectly worded and coherent answer is absurd.
Not only that, you could go out and get video of asking 100 people a question, get 90 good answers, and then edit together the 10 terrible answers to prove whatever point you are trying to make.
I Have a feeling those were the good answers.Quote: gamerfreakNot only that, you could go out and get video of asking 100 people a question, get 90 good answers, and then edit together the 10 terrible answers to prove whatever point you are trying to make.
I just want to know where PokerGrinder finds all his time.Quote: RSJust found this channel that was recommended to me. Good stuff.
https://youtu.be/owIidAoUnlA
I lost it at “speciesist”. 🤣🤣🤣
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Quote: gamerfreakNot only that, you could go out and get video of asking 100 people a question, get 90 good answers, and then edit together the 10 terrible answers to prove whatever point you are trying to make.
Of course there are morons on the left or right
Its overall meaningless
Whats not meaningless is a moron in the WH
How much of a moron do you have to be to hire Omarosa
I don't think a single conservative on this board would consider hiring that snake
The entire planet knew she was a snake
yet
Trump hires her???????
What a moron
I never voted for a moron. Looks like conservatives did. lol
Quote: terapined
I don't think a single conservative on this board would consider hiring that snake
Trump himself would fired in under a week for using an employer's official Twitter account the way he does.
