Airline seat recline battles
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Quote: pacomartinMost executives would say that Interjet is being frivolous. They should rip out the front rows and put in two seats on either side and sell them for a premium.
Bad idea.
Interjet is very customer-friendly. The most salient facts are the legroom and the 50 kilos luggage allowed per flight. But there's more. Tickets' are easy to transfer, albeit for a fee, and you can easily change flights, too. The latter is also for a fee, and you pay the difference for the fare you wind up using. However, if the flight you take is cheaper than the one you paid for originally, they refund the difference.
Where they do cut costs is where they go wrong and wind up providing a bad experience. This happened to me on my last flight to Vegas with the Interjet airport shuttle, where instead of heading straight to the airport the shuttle instead made a long stop at Santa Fe, which threw my schedule out the window.
BTW, as far as I know booze is also free in Aeromexico and Volaris. Not in Viva. Viva will be charging for the air any day now.
Quote: NareedQuote: RSHow bout the water?
It's also included in the ticket.
You just might want to be cautious about drinking it.
;-)
Yes, you fly often. I really don't care for the travel part of traveling and preparing. I won't go to most places for free. I get Free casino offers with free-play to Mississippi, New Orleans etc. I love Tahoe, I do regret missing the Tahoe trip, but I was in AC.Quote: AxiomOfChoiceDon't get me wrong, I won't pay for first class if there is a ridiculous markup. Sometimes it is cheap when you buy the ticket. Sometimes you can buy a cheap upgrade to first class when you check in. I've paid $30 for an upgrade before -- that is nothing. If you fly a lot, some frequent flyer programs will give you a certain number of free upgrades, as well.
On Virgin, they sell a few first-class seats for the same price as "main cabin select", which is essentially their "economy plus".
I appreciate the extra width because I have fairly broad shoulders -- wider then the width of a regular airline seat. I won't pay hundreds of dollars for it (not for a short flight, anyway), but if I can get it for minimal cost or free, I will.
Quote: NareedBad idea.
Interjet is very customer-friendly. The most salient facts are the legroom and the 50 kilos luggage allowed per flight.
Well "bad idea" from the customer point of view. Interjet sounds like what most people would expect from a US airliner 25 years ago.
Volaris makes a big deal about the fact that they average 143 passengers in an A320 while Interjet averages 104.
Average Fares are shown (@ MXN$13.00 to US$1)
$85.10 base + $19.30 ancillary - Volaris
$106.50 base + $5.80 ancillary - Interjet
$165.90 base + $6.20 ancillary - Aeromexico
$154.72 base + unknown - Southwest Airlines
I know that Volaris has had a bad last year. I wonder if Interjet is making a profit? I know they held off their IPO for a while.
But I like the idea of an airline that gives everyone leg room, free drinks, no extreme luggage fees, mostly empty middle seats, one class cabin and cash back on the frequent flyer programs. The slightly higher fares are offset by lower ancillary costs.
Quote: pacomartinWell "bad idea" from the customer point of view. Interjet sounds like what most people would expect from a US airliner 25 years ago.
Not quite. 25 years ago you'd have expected a hot inflight meal on flights of 60 minutes or more. Interjet doesn't' even have facilities in the galleys for heating up food (I've asked; the only hot thing is coffee).
But it's still a bad idea. People are loyal to businesses that treat them well.
Quote:Volaris makes a big deal about the fact that they average 143 passengers in an A320 while Interjet averages 104.
And I make a big deal about Interjet being my first choice at all times. Actually, in flights I've paid for out of my own pocket, I've paid for Volaris once and Interjet twice, and that only because Interjet did not yet fly to Vegas in 2012.
Quote:But I like the idea of an airline that gives everyone leg room, free drinks, no extreme luggage fees, mostly empty middle seats, one class cabin and cash back on the frequent flyer programs. The slightly higher fares are offset by lower ancillary costs.
Well, the free drinks are a come-down from what existed in full service carriers as recently as five years ago. that said, Aeromexico and Volaris also offer free drinks, including booze. In part it's because they no longer offer meals in flight, or never did to begin with.
Oh, one little difference between Interjet and Volaris, is that the former lets you have a full can of soda or beer along with a plastic cup, while the latter serves your drink in a plastic cup of about the same size. Alas they both serve water from a 1.5-liter bottle and only in a cup.
Interjet is more popular on business routes like Mex City to Monterrey, Guadalajara, Cd del Carmen and such. Business travelers tend to travel alone. that means a lot of empty middle seats on flights that are not full. No one likes the middle seat, especially if they have to seat next to two strangers (who were also earlier enough not to get stuck in a middle seat).
I'll be flying Aeromexico next week on business, BTW. I'll make a note to see whether the alcohol is free or not.
Quote: wudgedI've never been bothered or annoyed by it either. I've been physically pained by it. I am flying next month; I will try to remember to take a picture of my seating arrangement and post it here.
I also experience pain when I can't sit properly which for me involves reclining the seat. If I have to sit upright for any length of time I get extremely uncomfortable. This has been the case for decades. My desk chair is reclined, my car seat is reclined, I have a recliner to watch TV and use my computer, and use a reclined chaise lounge to relax at the beach. I want my airplane seat reclined if at all possible.
Quote: kenarmanQuote: wudgedI've never been bothered or annoyed by it either. I've been physically pained by it. I am flying next month; I will try to remember to take a picture of my seating arrangement and post it here.
I also experience pain when I can't sit properly which for me involves reclining the seat. If I have to sit upright for any length of time I get extremely uncomfortable. This has been the case for decades. My desk chair is reclined, my car seat is reclined, I have a recliner to watch TV and use my computer, and use a reclined chaise lounge to relax at the beach. I want my airplane seat reclined if at all possible.
How do you use a computer from your recliner? Are you using a laptop and just suffering the heat? Got some kind of holder?
The way I'm hung I can't hardly use a laptop, at least the way it sounds.
Thanks
Quote: petroglyphQuote: kenarmanQuote: wudgedI've never been bothered or annoyed by it either. I've been physically pained by it. I am flying next month; I will try to remember to take a picture of my seating arrangement and post it here.
I also experience pain when I can't sit properly which for me involves reclining the seat. If I have to sit upright for any length of time I get extremely uncomfortable. This has been the case for decades. My desk chair is reclined, my car seat is reclined, I have a recliner to watch TV and use my computer, and use a reclined chaise lounge to relax at the beach. I want my airplane seat reclined if at all possible.
How do you use a computer from your recliner? Are you using a laptop and just suffering the heat? Got some kind of holder?
The way I'm hung I can't hardly use a laptop, at least the way it sounds.
Thanks
I have a laptop tray I use, otherwise the heat would be way too much. Started using it years ago when I used to play on-line poker all day on weekends.
Sitting a computer on your lap can also be a a bad idea for males who would like to have children since some research show the high frequency from the processor could possibly be hard on sperm viability.
Sometimes its the cord, clogged or obstructed cooling vents, heat sinks and fans that are full of debris. And occasional vacuuming should help.Quote: AxiomOfChoiceWhy are your laptops getting hot? I use a laptop all the time and it's never a problem.
This reclined seat problem is merely symptomatic of over crowding and mixing screaming infants with tired businessmen. Wait till more and more Chinese are flying and you get repeats of parents insisting on a child publicly defecating rather than being forced to use the lavatory. Ever go to a Chinese mainland restaurant where a mother will hand a jar to her son so he can publicly urinate in it at the table? Its very difficult for the Hong Kong Chinese to put up with the politically powerful (and corrupt) officials who are considered by Hong Kong standards to be uncivilized.
It used to be Interstate Bus Terminals and Interstate Buses that were filthy. Soon it will be the airlines. However, once Air India starts flying in the USA don't worry about uncleanliness. The airline already has the cleanliness certifications all filled out and notarized. Same as the pilot's log book... all properly filled out. Paperwork is perfect. Pilot can't unlock the door or manage his seat belt, but his five years of flying experience is perfectly documented.
So get used to change in the airline industry.
Quote: kenarmanProcessors give off a lot of heat. They have fans and vents but if you sit the laptop on a soft surface the vents can become partially or totally covered. Overtime the cooling fins can also get clogged with dust, lint and other debris. Particularly if you use it on your bed or similar location. How much heat needs to be vented away depends on how hard the processor is working.
Sitting a computer on your lap can also be a a bad idea for males who would like to have children since some research show the high frequency from the processor could possibly be hard on sperm viability.
My laptop doesn't get hot... 16G ram, Intel® Core™ i7-3520M CPU @ 2.90GHz × 4 CPU, Intel® Ivybridge Mobile GPU. Not exactly cutting edge but not old or slow or anything either.
Of course if your vents are clogged you need to clean them. And you can't set it down in a way that will cover the vents. That much heat will shorten the life of your computer.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceMy laptop doesn't get hot... 16G ram, Intel® Core™ i7-3520M CPU @ 2.90GHz × 4 CPU, Intel® Ivybridge Mobile GPU. Not exactly cutting edge but not old or slow or anything either.
Of course if your vents are clogged you need to clean them. And you can't set it down in a way that will cover the vents. That much heat will shorten the life of your computer.
I purchased a cooling device my laptop sits on, its about and inch thick and has two fans in it. Gets it's power from a usb port and cools well enough but is noisy and has developed some weird noise like a scratch on an old vinyl record. Bugs me.
I am a neandertahl about digital things, I'm sure it shows. We are also on our 6th ones in ten years, that seems like way to many to me. I hate becoming obsolete all the time. I would probably never spend the money just to have the lastest and greatest but the digital villains have some way of knowing when my warranty's wear out.
Thanks Kenarman, I will try that!!!
fyi, we also use one of those airosol cans of air to blow out the keyboard and vents, disc drive etc. It works great, and in case anyone is watching I pshawwed that too when my wife brought one home. She was right again. I still won't take driving directions from her though, but it don't stop her from telling me how.
Quote: Nareed
BTW, as far as I know booze is also free in Aeromexico and Volaris. Not in Viva. Viva will be charging for the air any day now.
That is fantastic. I have never known a single American airline that gave free booze on domestic flights for coach passengers.
Quote: DRichThat is fantastic. I have never known a single American airline that gave free booze on domestic flights for coach passengers.
It's been more than 20 years ago, but United used to serve complimentary beer and wine in coach. I recall being surprised. No idea of the time frame or parameters (like over 2 hour flight or something). The only other one I recall was TWA in 1977 served complimentary bev's in coach Chicago-London. I almost never flew TWA domestic so no idea if they ever did it on non-international flights.
Quote: beachbumbabsIt's been more than 20 years ago, but United used to serve complimentary beer and wine in coach. I recall being surprised. No idea of the time frame or parameters (like over 2 hour flight or something). The only other one I recall was TWA in 1977 served complimentary bev's in coach Chicago-London. I almost never flew TWA domestic so no idea if they ever did it on non-international flights.
As I recall about all airlines used to give complimentary alchohl on all international flights until about ten years ago.
Quote: onenickelmiracleThe day is going to come where you'll have to pay xtra for a plane with a pilot flying in the cabin.
In our lifetimes? No.
Quote: onenickelmiracleThe day is going to come where you'll have to pay xtra for a plane with a pilot flying in the cabin.
Planes might be safer without pilots. Get rid of them and use the leg space for passengers. And for the cost conscious if the airlines didn't have to pay for the pilots salary and percs it might make the chincy seats cheaper, and less expensive.
That way they could outsource it and some kid in his mom's basement could fly half a dozen at the same time and still play his xbox.
We bought a cooling device pad and true to form, the Chinese piece of junk broke in no time.Quote: petroglyphI purchased a cooling device my laptop sits on, its about and inch thick and has two fans in it. Gets it's power from a usb port and cools well enough but is noisy and has developed some weird noise like a scratch on an old vinyl record. Bugs me.
I am a neandertahl about digital things, I'm sure it shows. We are also on our 6th ones in ten years, that seems like way to many to me. I hate becoming obsolete all the time. I would probably never spend the money just to have the lastest and greatest but the digital villains have some way of knowing when my warranty's wear out.
Thanks Kenarman, I will try that!!!
fyi, we also use one of those airosol cans of air to blow out the keyboard and vents, disc drive etc. It works great, and in case anyone is watching I pshawwed that too when my wife brought one home. She was right again. I still won't take driving directions from her though, but it don't stop her from telling me how.
Quote: DRichThat is fantastic. I have never known a single American airline that gave free booze on domestic flights for coach passengers.
Wine is ultra expensive in Mexico, beer is plentiful. Interjet serves a choice of four spirits.
Herradura Antiguo Tequila
Finlandia Vodka,
Appleton Estate Rum
Jack Daniel’s Whisky
Beer: Modelo Especial, Corona, Corona Light, León, Pacífico
Quote: onenickelmiracleWe bought a cooling device pad and true to form, the Chinese piece of junk broke in no time.
Mine is sold for laptops but is low tech.
It is just a plastic try with one edge raised and a couple of bean bags attached to the bottom to lift off your body. No moving parts, nothing to break down.
I didn't like the ones with fans and they need to plug into a USB port mine are often full.
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Quote: pacomartinWine is ultra expensive in Mexico,
No, it isn't.
Good wine is expensive, yes, and if it's imported then it's very expensive, but cheaper brands of decent quality do exist. You can get good Mexican wines from Baja California vineyards, as well as Chilean, Spaniard, French, Italian and German wines in a range of $10-$50.
Quote: NareedI'll be flying Aeromexico next week on business, BTW. I'll make a note to see whether the alcohol is free or not.
As predicted, the task has been accomplished.
Booze is free in Aeromexico, served only between noon and 7 pm for some reason.
Also, Interjet has a lot more legroom. I had about as much, or a little more, legroom on a regular Interjet seat than in the exit row in an Aeromexico Embraer 190.
And, yes, I reclined the seats on the roundtrip flights well back >:)
As well as "saddle style seating" to fit even more passengers on board WOW Talk about minimal BACK REST???
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I checked out SLS this weekend, free wifi, its about time a Vegas casino made this move.
If they had some decent video poker like downtown, I would stay there.
On my plane ride home 2 days ago, I was flying home a winner from Vegas so I splurged on Delta Airlines wifi at the overpriced fee of 20 bucks for a 3.5 hr flight and 1.5 hr flight.
Walk around any small town these days: free wifi in downtown areas, free wife in small businesses. Heck, if a coffee vendor can manage free wifi or a bookstore can do it, it can't be too costly for a casino to do it.
We expect certain things. Headroom, legroom, peace and quiet . if they can control seat fiddling by brats they've got it made
SLS might have free WIFI however I cant get 4G in the place.
So far Im Impressed with SLS. Btw I was wrong they do have 2 gaming bars not one.
One was awful with a huge dude next to me. The personal-space bars (armrests?) couldn't even go down.
But on 2 flights, the Asians in front of me were a**holes and just reclined back. And they were all tiny,,,,,not like they needed more room. But whatever.
When the stewardess came around to tell everyone to put their tray tables up and un-recline or whatever, the Asians had no idea what was going on (well they acted like it). So the dude next to me and I just kneed/kicked the Asians' seats in front of us (they didn't seem to enjoy it, but f*** them) until they put their seats forward.
Come to think of it, I could a been next to evenbob. Nice to meet you!
Quote: RSActually just had several flights recently.
One was awful with a huge dude next to me. The personal-space bars (armrests?) couldn't even go down.
But on 2 flights, the Asians in front of me were a**holes and just reclined back. And they were all tiny,,,,,not like they needed more room. But whatever.
When the stewardess came around to tell everyone to put their tray tables up and un-recline or whatever, the Asians had no idea what was going on (well they acted like it). So the dude next to me and I just kneed/kicked the Asians' seats in front of us (they didn't seem to enjoy it, but f*** them) until they put their seats forward.
Come to think of it, I could a been next to evenbob. Nice to meet you!
Questions:
Would you have done this if women reclined?
Would you have done this if children reclined?
Would you have done this if a guy did it whose ass you didn't think you could kick?
Quote: RSWhen the stewardess came around to tell everyone to put their tray tables up and un-recline or whatever, the Asians had no idea what was going on (well they acted like it). So the dude next to me and I just kneed/kicked the Asians' seats in front of us (they didn't seem to enjoy it, but f*** them) until they put their seats forward.
I'm not a big guy and my last flight I didn't recline. But I wanted to.
Its more about angle then room. Sitting straight up for hours is not as comfortable as being able to lean back a few inches.
Even a small guy like me is much more comfortable with the seat at an angle rather then straight.
By the way I'm 1/2 Asian, other 1/2 Irish.
My friends joke about me. I like a little rice with my beer :-)
And if fully extended airline seats interfere with the occupant behind them then the airline has intentionally created an uncomfortable condition in their desire to sell more seats.
Period.
Quote: GreasyjohnI didn't read this whole thread, but it seems to me that if an airline seat has a recline feature then the occupant should have the right to extend it to its full range. And this philosophy should be fully supported and enforced by the airline.
And if fully extended airline seats interfere with the occupant behind them then the airline has intentionally created an uncomfortable condition in their desire to sell more seats.
Period.
Agreed, they have a right to recline if the option is offered. And the airline do support and enforce it. But it's still a rude thing to do if it causes distress for the person behind you.
I have a 'right' to call my mayor/policman/neighbor/pastor a "piece of shit, mother f'ing a-hole", but just because I have a right, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.
Anyhow, didn't mean to bring up the whole debate again, was more interested in the last link I posted with adjustable seats (not recline), that can be configured based on passenger height.
Quote: MidwestAPAgreed, they have a right to recline if the option is offered. And the airline do support and enforce it. But it's still a rude thing to do if it causes distress for the person behind you.
I have a 'right' to call my mayor/policman/neighbor/pastor a "piece of shit, mother f'ing a-hole", but just because I have a right, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.
Anyhow, didn't mean to bring up the whole debate again, was more interested in the last link I posted with adjustable seats (not recline), that can be configured based on passenger height.
Then you will have people saying I paid for this space, so why should I get less space just because I am smaller. Did you, the airline, give me a discount so that the taller person can be more comfortable using "my" space. I also wonder what the FAA has to say about safety if there is a big person in the window seat that now has a pinch point to reach the aisle because of the adjusted seats. Also does that taller person really want to be closer to those annoying kicking feet of the kids behind them.
If reclined seats are viewed as a night time position for those who wish to doze/sleep then everyone reclines their seats and settles in. during the day its not supposed to be reclined all the way.
Of course if you pack them in like cattle they will act like cattle and in some countries they already are cattle, so what can you do.
able to recline and she would have saved
herself a choking.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3279028/Police-Jet-returns-LAX-gate-onboard-disturbance.html
Quote: EvenBobIf I was behind her she wouldn't have been
able to recline and she would have saved
herself a choking.
How will you get to your destination when you get kicked off the plane
I started this thread due to a dispute on a plane where a guy refused to let the woman in front of him recline.
The flight made a stop and he got kicked off.
Quote: EvenBobIf I was behind her she wouldn't have been
able to recline and she would have saved
herself a choking.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3279028/Police-Jet-returns-LAX-gate-onboard-disturbance.html
I've flown Southwest to Vegas on my last two trips and I was very impressed with the amount of space between rows. I'm a tall guy, and my knees didn't even touch the seat in front of me.
Of course I reclined.
I'm still waiting for someone to try to pick a fight with me when I recline my seat...
Quote: EvenBobIf I was behind her she wouldn't have been
able to recline and she would have saved
herself a choking.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3279028/Police-Jet-returns-LAX-gate-onboard-disturbance.html
In this case, they were still on the ground, where the requirements is still "seat backs all the way forward, tray tables upright in locked position". She was wrong and did not have the right to recline according to SOP. The man should have used the call button, summoned the FA to have them make the reminder, not take manners into his own hands.
Of course at 10,000+ feet when you usually hear that first ding it's fine to recline, open up your laptops, and use those tray tables.
I never recline and expect the same
courtesy. They usually give up after
a couple tries.
Quote: EvenBobI block all recliners, and proud of it.
I never recline and expect the same
courtesy. They usually give up after
a couple tries.
Do you have one of those special blocker things people can buy or do you just use your knees?
Quote: ams288Do you have one of those special blocker things people can buy or do you just use your knees?
Knees, always works.
I have never had issue with someone trying to stop me from reclining, nor have I ever had issue with anyone reclining in front of me.
I fly <10 round trips a year.
If there was ever an issue with the dumb-dumb behind me, I would make sure the issue was over just as soon as it started, and I don't care if said dummy is 8 feet tall and all legs.
Quote: Maverick17
If there was ever an issue with the dumb-dumb behind me, I would make sure the issue was over just as soon as it started, and I don't care if said dummy is 8 feet tall and all legs.
Then you'd get thrown off the plane
if it was me behind you. It's not my
fault my knees are jammed into the
seat in front of me. People love to
think how they're go all medieval
on another passenger, until they
see what it will get them.
