Airline seat recline battles
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Quote: MidwestAPNot the same. Sitting in a seat is required, they won't let the plane leave the gate without it. Reclining is optional.
I fly quite a bit as do you. I think we can all agree this is a problem the airlines have created, but when I get on a plane next week, I don't have the option to ask the airline to re-configure the seats to create more leg room, nor can I ask them to leave some seats open to create more space. I also can't control who is behind me or how large, small, tall, or short they are. But, what I can control is how I treat them. While I still enjoy flying (contrary to what it may seem like in this thread), the way they pack the planes now creates discomfort for many, up to and including pain for some. So, in these situations, I will happily make a very small sacrifice by not reclining as a courtesy to them. So, when I ask politely for the same courtesy from other fliers and I basically get the 'screw you', entitled attitude, yes, it bothers me.
Because this is one of those topics where people are pretty entrenched in their position, and my position is pretty clear, I will refrain from posting any more in this thread. I do appreciate the different viewpoints.
Well said, and exactly my position. If there's a child behind me, or a very short person, I'm not worried about reclining. But if it's a larger adult, I generally won't, even at night, out of courtesy. If someone does recline into me and it's a tight spacing, I will ask them if they might not do that politely, give them a chance to be courteous (Golden Rule). I only pulled the over-the-top-of-the-seat trick once, because there literally was no other way to sit but hunched forward due to leg room, and the recline was so far back I couldn't lean forward without being on top. They refused to go back up, so I slept on top of them for a while. If their recline doesn't push my knees into my face, I'll usually just live with it. But, when it does, I have been known to do quite a bit of seat bumping. All, again, when the other party could give a *&&^ about how much of a problem it is for the person behind them.
Quote: RaleighCrapsFace, the pilot.
BBB, the co-owner.
We have the makings of A-Team airlines, or would that be B-Team Air ?
I dunno. I think BBB and Face are oil and water: BBB would be all about safety, while Face would be trying to fly the plane at 60,000 feet at Mach 2 on a direct route with just enough fuel to land without ATC involvement.
Quote: beachbumbabsWell said, and exactly my position. If there's a child behind me, or a very short person, I'm not worried about reclining. But if it's a larger adult, I generally won't, even at night, out of courtesy. If someone does recline into me and it's a tight spacing, I will ask them if they might not do that politely, give them a chance to be courteous (Golden Rule). I only pulled the over-the-top-of-the-seat trick once, because there literally was no other way to sit but hunched forward due to leg room, and the recline was so far back I couldn't lean forward without being on top. They refused to go back up, so I slept on top of them for a while. If their recline doesn't push my knees into my face, I'll usually just live with it. But, when it does, I have been known to do quite a bit of seat bumping. All, again, when the other party could give a *&&^ about how much of a problem it is for the person behind them.
The way I look at it is that flying is generally going to be an uncomfortable experience. There of course are ways to make it better to avoid these issues altogether:
(1) Charter your own plane.
(2) Fly First Class.
(3) Pay the premium to go economy plus, exit row, or bulkhead seat.
(4) Get premium status with an airline (fly, credit card, or straight buy it) that will allow you to get premium seating.
(5) Check in absolutely as much in advance as possible and find a bulkhead or exit row.
(6) Avoid middle and window seats as aisles will always allow you to put your legs out in the aisle and to get up and walk around if bothered.
(7) Fly on low utilized flights that allow you to move around.
(8) Drink and/or sedate yourself heavily to not get annoyed.
(9) Drive
(10) Edit: Drich: Take the train.
Naturally this is not a "perfect" solution, as those in the first no-reclining row won't be able to recline but would have a row in front of them that can. And those in the last row can't recline even though there'd be no one behind them to be bothered.
Quote: boymimboThe way I look at it is that flying is generally going to be an uncomfortable experience. There of course are ways to make it better to avoid these issues altogether:
(1) Charter your own plane.
(2) Fly First Class.
(3) Pay the premium to go economy plus, exit row, or bulkhead seat.
(4) Get premium status with an airline (fly, credit card, or straight buy it) that will allow you to get premium seating.
(5) Check in absolutely as much in advance as possible and find a bulkhead or exit row.
(6) Avoid middle and window seats as aisles will always allow you to put your legs out in the aisle and to get up and walk around if bothered.
(7) Fly on low utilized flights that allow you to move around.
(8) Drink and/or sedate yourself heavily to not get annoyed.
(9) Drive
I think you forgot one.
I was on an Amtrak train on Sunday and it had lots of legroom, reclining seats, wifi, and AC power outlets at every seat.
Quote: boymimboI dunno. I think BBB and Face are oil and water: BBB would be all about safety, while Face would be trying to fly the plane at 60,000 feet at Mach 2 on a direct route with just enough fuel to land without ATC involvement.
I have taken a few risks in my life:
SCUBA diver, including cave diving
Private pilot, with 6 hours acrobatic training
180+mph on Daytona
Traveled (sometimes solo) all around US and Canada, 2 yrs in Hawaii, Europe/Britain 4 times
Put my ticket on the line a dozen times and damn the consequences (luckily it always paid off with non-dead people)
A few too private for an internet forum :)
I know Face a bit, and we actually have a good friendship/working relationship. He's not foolish; just more risk-tolerant than I might be, but it's a matter of degree, not opposites. terapined could run our reservations/bookings, the Wiz the operations center, Paradigm the capital investments/finance, EvenBob the complaint department, I can do Meteorology/Scheduling, Buzz the LMR, on and on.
There's enough brain power and raw talent on this board that any number of things might be accomplished. Airline, casino, hospitality areas, several other things I could slot people into critical jobs and make a killing. Capital, now that's a horse of a different color. Just need that one breakthrough game or app or investor to get started.
Quote: boymimboI dunno. I think BBB and Face are oil and water: BBB would be all about safety, while Face would be trying to fly the plane at 60,000 feet at Mach 2 on a direct route with just enough fuel to land without ATC involvement.
Relativity, good sir. Mach 2 at 60,000' sounds boring. 300 knots at NOE would be a billion times more fun =)
Now the fuel and whatnot, that's more up my alley. But you say it like it's a bad thing. Imagine the excitement and personal growth you'd experience if every flight was like this...
Sure beats Delta =D
Quote: beachbumbabs
I know Face a bit, and we actually have a good friendship/working relationship. He's not foolish; just more risk-tolerant than I might be, but it's a matter of degree, not opposites. terapined could run our reservations/bookings, the Wiz the operations center, Paradigm the capital investments/finance, EvenBob the complaint department, I can do Meteorology/Scheduling, Buzz the LMR, on and on.
And SOOPOO on emergency response, and Mission in marketing, and should people make it past EB in complaints, we'll refer them to the law offices of FleaStiff and Crimm.
Real talk, though, I'm not insane. I don't take a single chance when I'm not flying solo, unless everyone wants it by unanimous vote and I'm confident I can pull it off. Foolishness with others isn't an option.
I'm thinking of a WarWagon with wings. If you're gonna pay a fortune to get somewhere, you might as well enjoy the ride. And that's what we'll sell - Comfort and Fun.
Quote: beachbumbabsThey refused to go back up, so I slept on top of them for a while. If their recline doesn't push my knees into my face, I'll usually just live with it. But, when it does, I have been known to do quite a bit of seat bumping. .
According to Axiom, that kind of behavior
will get you arrested when the plane lands,
lol. He has no idea how miserable you can
make someone who reclines in your face
and refuses to back it off a little. Especially
a guy in his 60's like me who has to go
to the restroom a lot. Only on planes though,
when somebody reclines in my face.
Quote: EvenBobAccording to Axiom, that kind of behavior
will get you arrested when the plane lands,
lol. He has no idea how miserable you can
make someone who reclines in your face
and refuses to back it off a little. Especially
a guy in his 60's like me who has to go
to the restroom a lot. Only on planes though,
when somebody reclines in my face.
Is that before or after you whisper into their ear that you love them?
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-legroom-fights-20140903-story.html#page=1
Don't they keep saying airlines have banned them. If so, difficult to actually use I would think if any issue comes up.Quote: EvenBob"It always irritates the hell out of me when someone does a full recline in front of me," he said. "But I think people need to be more considerate in these tight cabins."
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-legroom-fights-20140903-story.html#page=1
Quote: DRichI think you forgot one.
I was on an Amtrak train on Sunday and it had lots of legroom, reclining seats, wifi, and AC power outlets at every seat.
For me, at least, that changes it from a 5-6 hour to a 40 hour travel time. This is on top of the extra $100 in fares. An extra 8 hours travel would mean going by bus, but for a fare that's just a few dollars more than the airplane.
It's perfectly valid to skew the decision for time or comfort or cost, or some other factor.
(Times are each way. Kayak.com best available airfare vs amtrak.com vs greyhound.com. All endpoints comparable.)
High speed rail would be a lovely addition to this continent. At 200mph, it becomes a viable competitor to air travel for coast to coast; at around 140mph it's viable for much of the partway travel. Considerable infrastructure upgrades would be required, and probably a company other than Amtrak running it.
Airlines will find a way to charge more because of this.
Quote: AxelWolfThey should just charge more for passengers who don't want the person in front reclining and less for people who don't care. That will solve the problem people are cheap.
They do. The seats for people who want the extra room are called "first class".
Quote: DieterHigh speed rail would be a lovely addition to this continent.
I suggest you look up Paco's thread on the subject at DT.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/02/airplane-reclining-seat-ban_n_4030767.html
"Both Spirt Airlines and Allegiant Air have already removed the reclining mechanisms from their seats. In June, Monarch Airlines announced their new fleet will not include reclining seats."
In the next two years there will be no major
airlines left that have reclining seats. Better
do a lot of flying so you can be as rude as
possible to those behind you..
Quote: beachbumbabs
Put my ticket on the line a dozen times and damn the consequences (luckily it always paid off with non-dead people
What is this?
I recline right when I get on. Until the flight attendant tells me to put it upright. As soon as I can, I recline again.Quote: EvenBob"Are you one of those people who presses the seat-recline button the second the airplane reaches cruising altitude? If so, chances are the person sitting behind you is really peeved." lol
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/02/airplane-reclining-seat-ban_n_4030767.html
"Both Spirt Airlines and Allegiant Air have already removed the reclining mechanisms from their seats. In June, Monarch Airlines announced their new fleet will not include reclining seats."
In the next two years there will be no major
airlines left that have reclining seats. Better
do a lot of flying so you can be as rude as
possible to those behind you..
OH NO! 2" of reclining taken away.
Quote: AxelWolfI recline right when I get on. Until the flight attendant tells me to put it upright. As soon as I can, I recline again.
.
No doubt. People who do this all have one thing
in common. If I said what that was, I would get
3 days vacay from posting for sure. Oddly, I seem
from my demeanor here that I would be 'that
guy' too. But I never recline because I respect
the space of the guy behind me.
It's like the days when you could smoke anywhere.
It was still polite to ask those around you 'mind
if I smoke?' Now common courtesy is gone, just
jam your seat in somebodies face because you can.
Quote: aceofspadesWhat is this?
There are times during certain types of emergency when the best course of action is the one that will get a controller fired or decertified, losing their CTO (control tower operator) license. If you're doing your job properly, you say, "sorry, Mr. Pilot and family, you're on your own; go with God". If you're a cowboy/Hero/person who knows you're the only chance they've got, you'll break the rules and try your best for them. There are many different things that can happen; it's hard to give you generalities, and it's usually best not to get into specifics after the fact. But a few "hypotheticals" might be, vectoring guys below terrain or safe altitudes, giving someone an emergency turn into someone else's airspace or too close to someone else so they don't actually hit the original problem but do violate something, shutting down an airport on a hunch about a missing aircraft who might have lost radios/systems, running a lost pilot through prohibited airspace, talking unqualified pilots trapped above the layers down through clouds, flying the airplane for a panicked pilot, several dozen others. When I started 30 years ago, you simply did things that needed to be done while everybody else dropped pens and change on the floor or tied shoelaces or something. It's tightened up a lot, but if they would have died without you, you can usually (but not always) get past it with minor discipline. Sometimes you even get an award, once they polish the turd of how you did it.
I'm VFR on the Guages.
Am I inverted? (I don't know buddy, you are up there and I'm down here; you gotta figure that one out for yourself).
And the classic, Cleared for the Approach...so they descend until FO notices the Minemum Enroute Altitude and the Pilot says "Lets Get Some Power On" followed by sound of FO being speared by tree limb at 250 mph.
Knees in the back and whispering gay or sexually harassing comments have a few things in common. What you do is far worst. Most of normal Society would agreedQuote: EvenBobNo doubt. People who do this all have one thing
in common. If I said what that was, I would get
3 days vacay from posting for sure. Oddly, I seem
from my demeanor here that I would be 'that
guy' too. But I never recline because I respect
the space of the guy behind me.
It's like the days when you could smoke anywhere.
It was still polite to ask those around you 'mind
if I smoke?' Now common courtesy is gone, just
jam your seat in somebodies face because you can.
I expect the person in front of me to do the same, at some point. That's what they paid for. (if they want more room pay for first class) No need to ask someone in a smoking section, if you can smoke, you are all ready smoking. I'm in a reclining section reclining, they know what to expect I won't unexpectedly hit them in the head or something they already know what to expect.
You don't look so tiny in the photos. I would have guessed 5'10". Knowing this, do you think you could do better eating 100 nuggets or saying "da plane da plane" 100 times without laughing?Quote: djatcRegarding ashtrays in cars and airpalnes:
When did cars start phasing out the ashtrays and cigarette lighters? I use my cigarette lighter to charge my phone, and I assume that's what everyone uses it for nowadays. The only time I've seen it used for its intended purpose was in the Goofy movie where Goofy and his son got stuck in their car because bigfoot was chasing them and they had to heat canned soup.
Smoking in airplanes: Up until what year could you do this? Wouldn't the non-smoking seats closest to the smoking suffer anyway? This reminds me of smoking and non-smoking areas in casinos, what's the point if they are both so close to each other? I like how some casinos build separate rooms for non-smoking.
BTW I am 5 6 and pretty short so airlines seats are just fine for me. I usually rush the front of the plane and find an open seat if there are any on long flights.
Quote: AxelWolfKnees in the back and whispering gay or sexually harassing comments have a few things in common. What you do is far worst. .
If some rude jerk is going to slam his seat
into my face, he gets what I give him. I do
NOT do that when I fly. Thanks for making
my point about courtesy, what you want
obviously comes first.
Enjoy it while you can, because of customer
complaints of seats in the faces, airline after
airline are making seats non reclineable.
You are to be thanked for that.
Quote: EvenBob
In the next two years there will be no major
airlines left that have reclining seats..
Since I know that EvenBob does not like to make wagers on his talking points, if anyone else agrees with him I would like to make a wager that some major airlines will still allow reclining seats in two years.
Quote: DRichSince I know that EvenBob does not like to make wagers on his talking points, if anyone else agrees with him I would like to make a wager that some major airlines will still allow reclining seats in two years.
Maybe a few, but they're falling like domino's.
Too many passenger complaints, too many
unhappy FA's. They can also cram in more
seats if they make them unreclineable.
I'll take 1000-1 Evenbob gets worked up because of this thread and tossed off the plane. Side bet possible where he has to verbally blame Obama for him being kicked off the plane.Quote: DRichSince I know that EvenBob does not like to make wagers on his talking points, if anyone else agrees with him I would like to make a wager that some major airlines will still allow reclining seats in two years.
Quote: onenickelmiracleI'll take 1000-1 Evenbob gets worked up because of this thread and tossed off the plane. Side bet possible where he has to verbally blame Obama for him being kicked off the plane.
But what would Romney do?
Quote: onenickelmiracleI'll take 1000-1 Evenbob gets worked up because of this thread and tossed off the plane.
I'm not even sure I'd give you even money
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceI'm not even sure I'd give you even money
LOOOOOL! That was pretty good.
I'm gonna be pissed if they decide, "Hey since we won't allow seats to recline that means we can stuff in 12 more rows!"
In a few years, airplanes might be like busses, without seats, where everyone will be forced to stand to conserve space for us sardines.
Quote: onenickelmiracleYou don't look so tiny in the photos. I would have guessed 5'10". Knowing this, do you think you could do better eating 100 nuggets or saying "da plane da plane" 100 times without laughing?
That's because of my RFB belly :(
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceI hear that RFB allows you use of the gym...
you know the phrase
but seriously I use the gym at CET properties but they close at 7pm, and I am a night owl so I usually end up running.
This might be a partial cause of the insomnia.Quote: djatcyou know the phrase
but seriously I use the gym at CET properties but they close at 7pm, and I am a night owl so I usually end up running.
Quote: RS
I'm gonna be pissed if they decide, "Hey since we won't allow seats to recline that means we can stuff in 12 more rows!"
Be ready to get pissed. One of the bigger
planes got rid of reclining and went from
135 seats to 178 as a result.
Quote: onenickelmiracleThis might be a partial cause of the insomnia.Quote: djatcyou know the phrase
but seriously I use the gym at CET properties but they close at 7pm, and I am a night owl so I usually end up running.
I don't think so, but I could be wrong. I wake up in the afternoon and usually do some running the first thing, if I get up early enough I hit one of the strip casino gyms. It's always been a hassle ever since I was a kid. Going to sleep to a normal time for many weeks, first night I get some freedom go right back to sleeping at 6-7am to 1-2pm. Some nights I skip sleeping because I can't get up since I don't have enough hours. I tried sleeping the same time every night, cutting out soda/stimulants, and melatonin.
I spent 8.5 weeks in basic training for the air force with an average of 2 hours a night (1 hour sleep, up for 2.5 hours for night duty, then 1 hour sleep again), and still couldn't sleep when I got out of there and tech school. Luckily I found AP'ing to be pretty free in terms of schedules so it works out for me.
You're A bit dramatic, I'm not slamming anything on the plane, Usually I have it down before they even sit down, they know what to expect and they don't have to change positions after they are settled in.Quote: EvenBobIf some rude jerk is going to slam his seat
into my face, he gets what I give him. I do
NOT do that when I fly. Thanks for making
my point about courtesy, what you want
obviously comes first.
Enjoy it while you can, because of customer
complaints of seats in the faces, airline after
airline are making seats non reclineable.
You are to be thanked for that.
Its fine whit me if they take reclining away, its like 2" it barley helps or hinders anyone.
Someone gave an exact good description of how the seat reclining REALLY affects the room you have.
I think everyone should either recline or not.
If it gets uncomfortable for me ill go first class and ask the casino for a rebate on airfar,TBH I really don't see much difference in first class . Last time I flew I had all 3 seats to myself and was right behind the first class seating, it had the same room as first class did, I was not that much more comfortable.
I don't mind crowds and being on a plane. Checking in, going through security while trucking my crap through the airport and casinos are what I dislike.
last time I traveled myself, but Usually i travel with my GF, so it's not like I'm swooshed between 2 fatties. We usually just lay on each other and recline away. My Laptop has movies or plenty to do. I don't drink on airplanes. I don't even like wasting the casinos money on FC.Quote: AxiomOfChoiceI like first class because of the extra width. The free drinks and movies don't hurt either.
I hope to be Bobs flying companion one day.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eiwpZS3Vqg
Ill bring a minni roulette
Quote: wudgedI'm 6'5". I recently found out that Spirit airlines has supposedly removed all the reclining abilities from their seats. I'll gladly pay an extra $25 for a checked bag to not have to deal with some numbskull in front of me repeatedly pounding their chair into my knees, much like RS says about stewards/stewardesses and the beverage cart.
An Airbus A320 (common single aisle jet) is certified to fly with 30 rows of 6 seats.
Spirit puts in 178 (only 2 less than the maximum). They sell the 4 front seats with leg room at a premium. As the US airline that puts in nearly the maximum allowable number of seats they only have 28" pitch between the seats (as opposed to customary 31" to 32"). If you are taller than an average person, it is going to be tight even if the seats can't recline.
Spirit seats
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Interjet (founded 2006) in Mexico puts 25 rows of 6 seats on the same airframe. They have 150 identical seats to sell, but each one has roughly a 36" pitch. That is the leg room typical of first class in domestic US carriers (but still 6 seats across instead of 4).
Interjet seats
Interjet is a low cost carrier that manages to make money, but with a little bit of leg comfort. A round trip on 25-28 September from Las Vegas to Toluca airport (outside of Mexico City) is USD$245.70 (+$111.21 taxes and fees) with no additional charge for up to 110 lbs of luggage.
Spirit Airlines for the same trip (Las Vegas to Toluca Mexico) wants $169.98 (+$124.61 taxes and fees) but to carry one bag onboard and check two bags is
$105 DURING ONLINE BOOKING
$135 CHECK-IN AT AIRPORT
$150 AT GATE
Volaris (the other major LCC in Mexico) configures this same airframe with 29 rows of 6 across. Volaris doesn't have those 4 premium seats to sell (like Spirit), but the passengers have a little more comfort. A trip from Las Vegas to Cancun on Volaris is USD$403.42 (+ $84.04 taxes and fees).
Frankly with 28" pitch I would rather stand on a saddle chair. Unfortunately the airlines want to configure the saddle chairs with a 23" pitch.
Reclining your seat into a curmudgeons face PRICELESS!Quote: pacomartin
Spirit Airlines for the same trip (Las Vegas to Toluca Mexico) wants $169.98 (+$124.61 taxes and fees) but to carry one bag onboard and check two bags is
$105 DURING ONLINE BOOKING
$135 CHECK-IN AT AIRPORT
$150 AT GATE
Quote: pacomartin
Spirit Airlines for the same trip (Las Vegas to Toluca Mexico) wants $169.98 (+$124.61 taxes and fees) but to carry one bag onboard and check two bags is
$105 DURING ONLINE BOOKING
$135 CHECK-IN AT AIRPORT
$150 AT GATE
Frankly with 28" pitch I would rather stand on a saddle chair. Unfortunately the airlines want to configure the saddle chairs with a 23" pitch.
I am a proponent of the pay per use model the airlines are going to. I was on Spirit this passed weekend and it was fine for a short flight. I have even been able to convince my wife that for a three day weekend we can each fit everything in a backpack and not have to pay any baggage fees.
Quote: pacomartinInterjet (founded 2006) in Mexico puts 25 rows of 6 seats on the same airframe. They have 150 identical seats to sell, but each one has roughly a 36" pitch. That is the leg room typical of first class in domestic US carriers (but still 6 seats across instead of 4).
And the seats recline :)
Also the booze is complimentary.
Quote: NareedAnd the seats recline :)
Also the booze is complimentary.
How bout the water?
Quote: NareedAnd the seats recline :)
Also the booze is complimentary.
Is the booze free on all flights or just international?
Quote: DRichIs the booze free on all flights or just international?
Free on all flights in 1st class....ah the good life.
Quote: DRichIs the booze free on all flights or just international?
From their website it looks like (domestic and international)
Quote: Interjet
- Once our flights have attained a cruising altitude, complimentary beverages and snacks will be offered onboard of all our flights.
Daytime: Departure prior to 10:30 am.
Spirits: Herradura Antiguo Tequila, Finlandia Vodka, Appleton Estate Rum, Jack Daniel’s Whisky (served upon request)
Beer: Modelo Especial, Corona, Corona Light, León, Pacífico (served upon request)
Evenings: Departure after 10:30 am.
Spirits: Herradura Antiguo Tequila, Finlandia Vodka, Appleton Estate Rum, Jack Daniel’s Whisky.
Beer: Modelo Especial, Corona, Corona Light, León, Pacífico.
Interjet describes themselves as the JetBlue of Mexico. Volaris is more the Southwest of Mexico. VivaAerobus is the Spirit Airlines of Mexico.
As advertised prices are all over the place it is difficult to say how things work out on average, but sometimes Interjet is better than Spirit Airlines if you count two bags (one carry on and one checked). Right now Interjet has only 5 US destinations (Las Vegas, Houston, San Antonio, Miami, New York) plus three border cities. Volaris has 15 US destinations and three border cities.
Volaris has had a bad few months financially. Interjet is 95% owned by the son of a former President of Mexico and former governor of Veracruz, President Miguel Aleman Magnani. They don't release financial information.
All four Mexican airlines are planning aggressive expansion which obviously ultimately hinges on a new Mexico City airport.
Quote: AxelWolflast time I traveled myself, but Usually i travel with my GF, so it's not like I'm swooshed between 2 fatties. We usually just lay on each other and recline away. My Laptop has movies or plenty to do. I don't drink on airplanes. I don't even like wasting the casinos money on FC.
Don't get me wrong, I won't pay for first class if there is a ridiculous markup. Sometimes it is cheap when you buy the ticket. Sometimes you can buy a cheap upgrade to first class when you check in. I've paid $30 for an upgrade before -- that is nothing. If you fly a lot, some frequent flyer programs will give you a certain number of free upgrades, as well.
On Virgin, they sell a few first-class seats for the same price as "main cabin select", which is essentially their "economy plus".
I appreciate the extra width because I have fairly broad shoulders -- wider then the width of a regular airline seat. I won't pay hundreds of dollars for it (not for a short flight, anyway), but if I can get it for minimal cost or free, I will.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceif I can get it for minimal cost or free, I will.
I think that covers most of us.
In Volaris investor presentation they brag that they have less leg room by putting 29 rows in the jet and selling an average of 27 middle seats (out of 58) per flight. Interjet gives much more leg room by putting 25 rooms, and it also sells an average of only 4 middle seats (out of 50) per flight.
Most executives would say that Interjet is being frivolous. They should rip out the front rows and put in two seats on either side and sell them for a premium.
