Airline seat recline battles
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Quote: AxiomOfChoiceBut don't book a seat where the person in front of you can recline, and then expect that person to follow arbirtary rules that you made up.
+100
Quote: WizardHowever, I feel like a chump doing that when the guy in front of me jerks his seat back the whole way into my knees.
That happened to me. Once. Most of the time
when I push against their seat, they just think
it's broken. It really doesn't take much pressure
to keep it from reclining.
Are you telling me this isn't really Sparta? I could have sworn someone said "this is Sparta".Quote: AxiomOfChoiceYes, exactly. The people making up their own rules and trying to force them on other people are the inconsiderate ones.
If you don't like the person in front of you reclining, then book a seat with extra legroom, or a first class seat, or a seat on an airline where the seats don't recline. But don't book a seat where the person in front of you can recline, and then expect that person to follow arbirtary rules that you made up.
Hard to believe you're so quick. You must be on high alert the whole trip under constant stress.Quote: EvenBobThat happened to me. Once. Most of the time
when I push against their seat, they just think
it's broken. It really doesn't take much pressure
to keep it from reclining.
Quote: onenickelmiracleAre you telling me this isn't really Sparta? I could have sworn someone said "this is Sparta".
Someone also said that he blocks the reclining with his knees. Same guy who says he beats roulette. Draw your own conclusions about credibility.
Quote: onenickelmiracleHard to believe you're so quick. You must be on high alert the whole trip under constant stress.
My knees are already touching the seat,
I can feel when they try and recline. They
never try more then once anyway, why
would they. You really don't want me to
be unhappy. Ask my wife, she would say
'you really don't want to make him unhappy.'
Sarcasm it was.Quote: AxiomOfChoiceSomeone also said that he blocks the reclining with his knees. Same guy who says he beats roulette. Draw your own conclusions about credibility.
Quote: onenickelmiracleSarcasm it was.
Yeah I know but I was below my quota for pointing out the obvious this month.
Beachbumbabs in the other other reality, does Evenbob like being unhappy?Quote: EvenBobMy knees are already touching the seat,
I can feel when they try and recline. They
never try more then once anyway, why
would they. You really don't want me to
be unhappy. Ask my wife, she would say
'you really don't want to make him unhappy.'
Quote: onenickelmiracledoes Evenbob like being unhappy?
I don't like being forced to do something,
never have. That's why I've been self
employed for 35 years. I don't play well
with others.
Are you married to yourself?Quote: EvenBobI don't like being forced to do something,
never have. That's why I've been self
employed for 35 years. I don't play well
with others.
Quote: onenickelmiracleAre you telling me this isn't really Sparta? I could have sworn someone said "this is Sparta".
Don't know about the "300", this looks more like fight club.
I don't consider what coach seats do or not do as reclining. You think those seats recline come on over to the house I'll show what recline is, it's hard to type from that position though.
My plan even when booking way in advance or the same day is to try and be asleep before the plane leaves the tarmac. I shop for seats away from kids. All seats that could possibly impede into an exit row, don't recline, ie all exit rows.
@Bob, could you just cough on the people in front of you alot and talk about how many people came down with ebola at work last week while you were in Africa?
Quote: petroglyph@Bob, could you just cough on the people in front of you a lot and talk about how many people came down with ebola at work last week while you were in Africa?
I would if it came to that, but it never
does.
Quote: EvenBobI don't play well with others.
Really?
Quote: onenickelmiracleLast time I flew was 2001, so it's the main reason I don't understand this stuff. I'm scared away because of all the games, inconveniences, and gotchas going along with flying. Really just don't want to be the fresh meat the airline looks for. Someday I'll have to learn to deal with it if I want to go to Nevada, but haven't wanted to badly enough yet.
You could just get your own personal Madden-style bus.
Quote: EvenBobThat happened to me. Once. Most of the time
when I push against their seat, they just think
it's broken. It really doesn't take much pressure
to keep it from reclining.
I've reclined when people get up to go to the restroom.
A third incident now. When will the airlines decide to take some positive action?
Quote: RaleighCrapshttp://news.msn.com/us/its-no-longer-safe-to-recline-your-airplane-seat
A third incident now. When will the airlines decide to take some positive action?
I'm flying to Vegas in 1 1/2 weeks
Just to be safe, I think I wont recline
Quote: terapinedI'm flying to Vegas in 1 1/2 weeks
Just to be safe, I think I wont recline
I am flying in next Sat. I will be reclining....after I pop 2 Xanex (minor fear of flying)
Quote: TheBoneWhy are the seats allowed to recline? If the person sitting in them reclines, which is their "right" having purchased the seat, the only entity to be upset with is the airline for allowing the seat to recline.
Correct. The airline is to blame. Back when they had plenty of room between the rows, being able to recline was a nice option. But then they decided to squeeze more revenue by cramming in more rows. However, they left the recline option there, even though there really is not enough space between the rows to ensure personal space is not invaded.
Right now the airlines are trying to spin this as a people issue, but my money says someone will soon be suing an airline for failure to provide adequate personal space.
Suing doesn't act as a deterrent anymore. This is why stupid things keep in the news because they don't have to budge changing because only government can do anything.Quote: RaleighCrapsCorrect. The airline is to blame. Back when they had plenty of room between the rows, being able to recline was a nice option. But then they decided to squeeze more revenue by cramming in more rows. However, they left the recline option there, even though there really is not enough space between the rows to ensure personal space is not invaded.
Right now the airlines are trying to spin this as a people issue, but my money says someone will soon be suing an airline for failure to provide adequate personal space.
As I stated earlier, I won't recline if it will make someone else more uncomfortable. Whatever happened to common courtesy? Is this just more of the 'me first' generation?
Quote: MidwestAPDarn right I'm going to complain when some a-hole shoves his/her seat back into the space my knees previously occupied.... Is this just more of the 'me first' generation?
Yes. Complaining profanely when a fellow passenger uses his seat in exactly the way it was designed/intended does indeed sound like a "me-first" attitude. Your proper complaint is strictly with the airline and the way they have packed you, the person in front of you, and most everyone else in the coach section into an inadequate space for that many people.
Now some folks may claim that the airlines have to crowd extra seats in because competition or other factors have forced their fares too low. Well, I just checked on fares for a trip back to Las Vegas from CLT. The cheapest fares I can find over the next six months are right at double what I paid for the same trip last April. I don't think fuel prices or government fees or even salaries have been climbing at such a rate. If they are going to double my fare, they ought to be willing to provide a more comfortable seat!
They're moving excuses. As soon as you corner one, they blame something else.Quote: DocYes. Complaining profanely when a fellow passenger uses his seat in exactly the way it was designed/intended does indeed sound like a "me-first" attitude. Your proper complaint is strictly with the airline and the way they have packed you, the person in front of you, and most everyone else in the coach section into an inadequate space for that many people.
Now some folks may claim that the airlines have to crowd extra seats in because competition or other factors have forced their fares too low. Well, I just checked on fares for a trip back to Las Vegas from CLT. The cheapest fares I can find over the next six months are right at double what I paid for the same trip last April. I don't think fuel prices or government fees or even salaries have been climbing at such a rate. If they are going to double my fare, they ought to be willing to provide a more comfortable seat!
Quote: DocYes. Complaining profanely when a fellow passenger uses his seat in exactly the way it was designed/intended does indeed sound like a "me-first" attitude.
+1 :)
Quote:If they are going to double my fare, they ought to be willing to provide a more comfortable seat!
Airlines work in mysterious ways and razor-thin margins (the latter being the conventional wisdom). Most will not give an inch if they can avoid it in any way.
Then there's Interjet, my favorite airline. All their planes are single-class (coach), but they have comfortable seats, which recline, and they brag about the legroom available as compared to the competition. I've flown all their competition and I can vouch for the extra legroom, so perhaps reclining seats there are not an issue.
They offer no inflight meals. Only a small (very small) snack, soft drinks, juice, tea, coffee, and on flights departing after noon also tequila, vodka, gin, rum, wine and beer (at no extra cost).
On short, domestic flights, there is an announcement forbidding the introduction of outside food or drink to the plane. On longer, international flights there isn't. On my last two flights to Vegas I had no trouble and no hassle bringing in an additional snack with me (yogurt).
There no longer is any inflight entertainment. But that's ok since I either read a book or listen to one on my tablet anyway. The overhead screens are used for the preflight safety announcements, and I think they play adds and show short self-promotional films for a portion of the flight. No headphones or earphones are available, but you can plug your own in (I assume, I've never tried it). On some planes they have a takeoff/landing camera.
You have to insist on needing their credit card innocently then whack it with the "agreed upon" fee.Quote: NareedHow's this? If you politely request that I straighten my seat, I will do it. Provided, that is, you pay the $50 fee for making me uncomfortable.
Quote: DocYes. Complaining profanely when a fellow passenger uses his seat in exactly the way it was designed/intended does indeed sound like a "me-first" attitude. Your proper complaint is strictly with the airline and the way they have packed you, the person in front of you, and most everyone else in the coach section into an inadequate space for that many people.
Now some folks may claim that the airlines have to crowd extra seats in because competition or other factors have forced their fares too low. Well, I just checked on fares for a trip back to Las Vegas from CLT. The cheapest fares I can find over the next six months are right at double what I paid for the same trip last April. I don't think fuel prices or government fees or even salaries have been climbing at such a rate. If they are going to double my fare, they ought to be willing to provide a more comfortable seat!
Who said I was complaining profanely? I think the space my knees are occupying are in the space that the airline designed/intended.
Quote: onenickelmiracleQuote: DocYes. Complaining profanely when a fellow passenger uses his seat in exactly the way it was designed/intended does indeed sound like a "me-first" attitude.
+100I got a plan, we take all your picks we reverse them like one of those twilight zone episodes where everything is the opposite. You say "black" we go white.
Quote: MidwestAPWho said I was complaining profanely? I think the space my knees are occupying are in the space that the airline designed/intended.
My suggestion that you were complaining profanely was based on your referring to your fellow passenger as an "a-hole". I agree that your knees were occupying space that the airline designed/intended. Your complaint is with them and their terrible, passenger-unfriendly design.
Although it is annoying for me to have someone recline their seat in front of me, it is within their right to do so, and I just suck it up. If I decide to recline, the people behind me should do the same: suck it up. It is the luck of the draw.
Quote: DocMy suggestion that you were complaining profanely was based on your referring to your fellow passenger as an "a-hole". I agree that your knees were occupying space that the airline designed/intended. Your complaint is with them and their terrible, passenger-unfriendly design.
Understood. What I may think and what I would say are very different things in a setting like this. I would start by politely asking them if they could bring their seat back up a little bit.
I don't subscribe that just because something was designed in a certain way, it automatically means that it should be used. In this case the airline changed the seat pitch, but just I because I didn't create the issue doesn't mean I will make it worse for the person behind me
Quote: boymimboI will recline my seat when I want to. The seats come with a recline button to be used, which is straight forward.
Although it is annoying for me to have someone recline their seat in front of me, it is within their right to do so, and I just suck it up. If I decide to recline, the people behind me should do the same: suck it up. It is the luck of the draw.
That's fine, as it's my right to keep my knees in the space you are moving into.
Quote: MidwestAPQuote: DocMy suggestion that you were complaining profanely was based on your referring to your fellow passenger as an "a-hole". I agree that your knees were occupying space that the airline designed/intended. Your complaint is with them and their terrible, passenger-unfriendly design.
Understood. What I may think and what I would say are very different things in a setting like this. I would start by politely asking them if they could bring their seat back up a little bit.
And this makes all the difference in the world. If somebody asks me politely, I will certainly try to accommodate them. If you come off as a dick, well say goodbye to your knees.
On many flights within Asia I noticed that the seat mechanism is different. As you recline, the seat slides forward, so you trade recline for leg room. In general Asians don't need as much leg room and the airlines take advantage of it.
Sorry to say, you're one of the people that cause problems. If my seat didn't recline, I would look behind and see you doing that. I would tell you off at minimum.Quote: EvenBobThat happened to me. Once. Most of the time
when I push against their seat, they just think
it's broken. It really doesn't take much pressure
to keep it from reclining.
Quote: WizardI wanted to add some information to this debate by showing data on seat pitch (distance per row) by airline, but it varies depending on the type of jet used, and most airlines use a combination of different types of jets. That said, this article provides some information: Short-haul Economy Class Comparison Chart.
Seatguru is a great site. I'm in the industry and its my go to website regarding seats.
I checked the display.
The winner for least room.
Spirit airlines, pitch measley 28 inches. Most airlines give 29 to 31 inches pitch.
Quote: JimRockfordFor what it's worth, I am 6'2" 200lbs and long legged. My knees contact the seat in front of me, but when it is reclined I really don't notice any pressure of the seat back against my knees and it causes me no discomfort at all. Maybe because I'm in pretty good shape, so I don't have a fat ass pushing my knees higher and more forward.
This has me confused as well. Granted, unless I'm surrounded by children 15yrs or younger, I'm uncomfortable. There's just not enough room for adult sized people without entering my personal space. But while I'm uncomfortable, I don't experience some of this knee bashing, "in your face" seat backs that are being described.
Sitting normal, my knees brush the mag pouch and my wrists rest on the tray when reading. If they recline, my knees touch the seat and now my forearms rest on the tray. Neither are painful, neither stick me in position. About the only difference is when I move; instead of a wisp of my knees against a slack pouch, they rub against the seat back.
So recline all you want in front of me, it gives me somewhere to rest my arms while reading. Of course, I'd rather you lay your head in my lap than sit next to someone with 54" hips. Forget a knee defender, I want a sheet of plexiglass to jam between the seats to keep your ass out of my lap.
Maybe I'll just hook up with Babs and start our own airline. The good news is that smoking, drinking, all that will be allowed. The better news is that I will be your pilot =D
Quote: FaceThis has me confused as well. Granted, unless I'm surrounded by children 15yrs or younger, I'm uncomfortable. There's just not enough room for adult sized people without entering my personal space. But while I'm uncomfortable, I don't experience some of this knee bashing, "in your face" seat backs that are being described.
Sitting normal, my knees brush the mag pouch and my wrists rest on the tray when reading. If they recline, my knees touch the seat and now my forearms rest on the tray. Neither are painful, neither stick me in position. About the only difference is when I move; instead of a wisp of my knees against a slack pouch, they rub against the seat back.
So recline all you want in front of me, it gives me somewhere to rest my arms while reading. Of course, I'd rather you lay your head in my lap than sit next to someone with 54" hips. Forget a knee defender, I want a sheet of plexiglass to jam between the seats to keep your ass out of my lap.
Maybe I'll just hook up with Babs and start our own airline. The good news is that smoking, drinking, all that will be allowed. The better news is that I will be your pilot =D
You're on.
Quote: beachbumbabsYou're on.
Allright, looking forward to Soul plane, I geuss Snoop dog will be Faces co pilot:-)
BBB, the co-owner.
We have the makings of A-Team airlines, or would that be B-Team Air ?
Tree Top Airlines :-)
or White Knuckle Airlines
Quote: MidwestAPThat's fine, as it's my right to keep my knees in the space you are moving into.
According to Delta airlines that is not your right. I had an incident where the man behind me wouldn't allow me to recline. I asked nicely for him to quit pushing on my seat and he didn't do it. I rang the call button and the FA came over and addressed the issue. Told the man to let me recline my seat or she would move him. He protested so the FA made him move to another row and shoved him into a middle seat between two other passengers. I enjoyed his protests and the fact that he was now separated from his wife/girlfriend.
And you can bet that, with this in the news, the FAs are being briefed on the right way to handle this situation.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceYup, this is exactly how a situation like this should be handled. Getting angry and lowering yourself to their level is not a good solution. Just let the FAs handle it.
Handle what? I'm not preventing you from
reclining, it's your imagination. Making you
wish you never had after you do is where
the fun starts.
