Zimmerman Trial
Quote: KeyserAZDuffman,
You comment doesn't make sense. Because as we all know, there is no logic on CNN.
If you want logic and sense you need to tune to Fox.
Quote: NareedAs to the rest, the Martin family is sure to file a wrongful death lawsuit. Zimmerman probably can't pay much, but if so then it only means he'll go broke fighting it.
That douche bag is not a viable target defendant.
Didn't you know that the only defendants with a pot to piss in and a window to throw it out of, the homeowners association Zimmerman worked for, paid OVER ONE MILLION DOLLARS to recently to settle a wrongful death claim brought by Martin's estate?
Nobody will sue Zimmerman, at least not seriously, if as it appears he's just a financial dirtbag.
Ka-ching!
Quote: AZDuffmanHe is half-white and half hispanic, hence the CNN term "white hispanic."
By their logic Obama is a white african-american.
No, worse than White Hispanic is what I've been seeing recently. "Zimmerman, who describes himself as hispanic, is blah blah..." or "self identifies as hispanic"
So it should be "President Obama, who describes himself as the first African-American President"
Quote: MrVThat douche bag is not a viable target defendant.
Didn't you know that the only defendants with a pot to piss in and a window to throw it out of, the homeowners association Zimmerman worked for, paid OVER ONE MILLION DOLLARS to recently to settle a wrongful death claim brought by Martin's estate?
Nobody will sue Zimmerman, at least not seriously, if as it appears he's just a financial dirtbag.
Ka-ching!
this goes on forever..
Quote: cclub79So it should be "President Obama, who describes himself as the first African-American President"
Second :P
You don't get to shoot an unarmed person dead just because you are losing a fist-fight. I don't see how it is reasonable that Zimmerman thought his life was in danger at the moment he pulled the trigger.
The nine points listed below, except No. 3, have nothing to do with his fear of extreme bodily harm or his life while he lay with his back on the ground and Martin straddling him.Quote: riverbedAccording to the Florida law, you have to believe that your life or extreme bodily harm is at stake to prevail. Was it reasonable for Zimmerman to think that?
Quote: riverbed1) the police were on the way 2) Zimmerman was armed 3) he shot Martin at point-blank range in the middle of the chest 4) Martin was not armed 5) Zimmerman was a wannabe cop, a Neighborhood Watch chairman out looking for burglars in the rain 6) Zimmerman had professional training in hand-to-hand combat 7) Zimmerman had college level training in stand-your-ground law 8) Zimmerman had a bloody nose and two cuts on the back of his head 9) there were other people around.
Quote: EvenBobI hope the jury comes back deadlocked so
this goes on forever..
We already have this problem with Jodi Arias. She should have automatically got life the first time to save the state buttloads of money. When does that start back up again, right around the Zimmerman trial is over?
One positive though, I watched the Jodi Arias trial verdict on the layover on the way to Vegas. :)
Surprised his attorney did not plead not guilty for medical reasons.
Barney Fife syndrome.
It's kind to stupid to start rioting at the end of the work week when people already have other plans.
An outside factor that may well come into play: The national NAACP convention starts tomorrow, for 5 days. In Orlando. 20 miles from the Sanford courthouse. Thousands of activists expected.
The jury is not taking the weekend off. They reconvene tomorrow at 9, as does the court. Don't know yet about Sunday, but many expect a verdict tomorrow.
I think the most likely outcome will be manslaughter, with added circumstances of the firearm. Sentencing up to the judge but mandatory minimums start at 10 years. This, to me, would be a just outcome; not so sure Zimmerman acted with malice - more like terminal stupidity. However, for manslaughter they don't have to prove ill-will, just that he overreacted and shot.
Quote: beachbumbabsHowever, for manslaughter they don't have to prove ill-will, just that he overreacted and shot.
In this case, I could see that. But considering how the prosecution has been acting, I'm not even sure he is even going to get that, tbh. No way the state is succeeding on 2nd degree murder though. Look what Casey Anthony got away with, and the state had a stronger case!
Quote: beachbumbabsThose nine points above are very well enumerated. There were many lies, and several fatal logical inconsistencies in Zimmerman's story. Those on this board probably will appreciate them; don't know whether the jury will or not. For me, there is NO way Zimmerman goes on foot after what he sees as a suspicious person (stranger to him walking in the neighborhood) in almost total darkness without drawing his weapon. But he couldn't admit to doing that or he is the agressor. Lots of other stuff, but most don't care for point-by-point refutation so I won't bore you with it..
If, as you maintain is the truth, that Zimmerman approached Martin with his gun drawn, then how did Martin end up on top of Zimmerman beating him? The prosecution even stated that Martin was straddling Zimmerman on the ground. You have made many assumptions with out any evidence.
You and I were not there.
Is Zimmerman a Barney Fife? Probably. But only he knows what really happened that rainy night. Certainly not me or you.
Quote: riverbedSeems to me that the whole case comes down to the reasonableness of Zimmerman's claim of self defense. According to the Florida law, you have to believe that your life or extreme bodily harm is at stake to prevail. Was it reasonable for Zimmerman to think that?
Lay on the ground in a postition you cannot defend yourself in. Let someont punch YOU in the face time after time. Tell me if your attitude is, "well, the cops are on their way so no big deal."
Quote:The evidence shows: 1) the police were on the way, 2) 5) Zimmerman was a wannabe cop, a Neighborhood Watch chairman out looking for burglars in the rain (isn't it reasonable to assume that he had fantasized about this type of encounter many, many times?)
The evidence also shows Martin was a wannabe-gangbanger.
Really, wanting to be a cop is not a crime. Neigheris being on neighborhood watch.
You seem to write from the point of view of someone in a nice, safe, gated community. Lets rememberthat there had been at least 8 break-ins in that neighboorhood in the recent past. Zimmerman was protecting his neighborhood. And he got attacked for it.
I don't think he "fantasized" about anything but living in a neighborhood where he and his family would be safe.
Quote: rxwineI see the jury didn't reach a verdict before the weekend. A wise move.
It's kind to stupid to start rioting at the end of the work week when people already have other plans.
Yep--might as well riot first thing next week when the working folks are back on the job! Why waste a weekend rioting when there is all that time available when those silly people who work for living are busy?
Quote: ahiromuI can't wait for the acquittal so that I can counter-protest the race riots.
He got the acquittal, so let's hope your joke doesn't come true.
Quote: aceofspadesI wonder how many of the people protesting this verdict also protested the OJ verdict...?
Zero.
It seems like there never was a chance to overcome reasonable doubt. I'm not sure what happened. But it is just as reasonable that he was defending himself appropriately as it was that he murdered the kid. No way to convict.....
harassed? Thats the question.
Quote: AZDuffmanJUSTICE WAS SERVED!
Course it was, regardless of the result, justice was gonna be served.
Its the jury selection process that is important. The DA wanted women, the defense probably didn't care that much but would have preferred males. Depends on their biases.
>2.) In the murder trial of a Juvenile 17 year old, an opening statement, beginning with a knock knock joke. Really???
No. First no appeal from a NG verdict, but also no appeal based on trial strategy. Tell a joke, do a dance... appeal courts ain't going there.
>3.) A key witness was just horrible. Extremely hostile and unlikable.
You play with what you've been dealt.
>4.) A defendant that has gained 120 pound in 16 months.
You may beat the rap but you will NEVER beat the ride. You will wind up broke and under stress the whole time.
The law does not enshrine Amy Vanderbilt's Rules of Manners. If somebody be a jive walkin' while Black he don't hafta change from Hoodie and jive walkin and jive talkin ... And if Bubba confronts him Bubba don't gotta change either. "And I mean now, Boy!" Neither one has to change his costume in order to stand his ground. The law focuses on perceptions and actions, no matter how absurd some of them may be.Quote: SOOPOO
It seems like there never was a chance to overcome reasonable doubt. I'm not sure what happened. But it is just as reasonable that he was defending himself appropriately as it was that he murdered the kid. No way to convict.....
Police chief lost his job for not going after Zimmerman for "community reasons". Heck, even the information technician with that cell phone data lost his job ... by messenger the moment the case went to the jury.
Quote: FleaStiff>1.) All female jury. Does this seem acceptable to anyone?
It would terrify me. Women decide by committee. The
few strong minded women on that jury swayed the rest
of them. Women just want to be liked and accepted by
other women, the verdict would be secondary. Zimmerman
was lucky the stronger women liked him.
One of the best 'strong juror' situations was the famed "JJ (Jake) Ehrlich" trial lawyer in San Francisco. During Voir Dire, JJ asked him "Do you know anything about this case" and the potential juror replied " I know the defendant is guilty as hell because he wouldn't have you as his lawyer if he weren't." JJ immediately said: Well, that sounds like an honest opinion and if you are an honest man we want you on the jury! That flattered the guy and it later became obvious he was the strong leader in the jury room and lead the battle for acquittal.
Actually, he might have been better off in jail for three years or so..
Quote: FinsRuleZimmerman caused this child to die, and he should have been convicted of at least manslaughter. But either way, his life has been ruined, so I think justice is sort of served.
Actually, he might have been better off in jail for three years or so..
Child? He's a lot older than all the pics the media was showing of him when he was 12, you know.
Quote: FinsRuleZimmerman caused this child to die, and he should have been convicted of at least manslaughter. But either way, his life has been ruined, so I think justice is sort of served.
What we think, as being outside of this case and courtroom, matters little and amounts to little, aside from any sour grapes based on our own opinion of justice. (Kind of like our team winning and losing. I wished there was a line of this. I was going to ask Mike to take a prop with me on it, I would have won.)
The courtroom scenes had Martin on top of Zimmerman pummeling him, and where it appeared Zimmerman arguably needed to act in self-defense. The ladies were convinced that Martin was a man, a criminal, and a potential killer, and exonerated Zim on self-defense.
Quote: FinsRuleActually, he might have been better off in jail for three years or so..
rooming with who...OJ?
He'll write a book, become a millionaire, - and patrol his gated community.
Quote: PaigowdanHe'll write a book, become a millionaire, - and patrol his gated community.
He'll write a book, become a millionaire, then lose a wrongful death lawsuit and all the royalties will go to Trayvon Martin's family. If I were Trayvon's family, I might want to settle this and have something like a 70-30 split for the royalties. Why would Zimmerman write a book/sell his story if he'll get nothing from it?
Quote: FinsRuleZimmerman caused this child to die, and he should have been convicted of at least manslaughter.
No, the racist "child" attacked him. Why does everyone who defends Martin seem to forget this?
Quote: ahiromuHe'll write a book, become a millionaire, - and patrol his gated community.
The Martin family will sue him for the money in a wrongful-death civil suit, and probably win.
Quote: AZDuffmanNo, the racist "child" attacked him. Why does everyone who defends Martin seem to forget this?
Why does everything have to be called racist?
Quote: thecesspitWhy does everything have to be called racist?
That's a racist question :P
Quote: NareedThat's a racist question :P
Good grief!
Quote: thecesspitWhy does everything have to be called racist?
Just demonstrating a point by making a point.
But Travon did call Zimmerman a "creepy ass cracker." Had Zimmerman been on the phone and said, "I have to check out this creepy ass coon" the outrage would have been deafening.
Quote: AZDuffmanNo, the racist "child" attacked him. Why does everyone who defends Martin seem to forget this?
Because it's patently false.
Quote: 24BingoBecause it's patently false.
How is it false? We know Martin said he was a "creepy ass cracker" and we know he was on top of Zimmerman punching him in the face while he was on the ground. Please explain how it is false, I am at a loss.
Quote: MrVDon't use a gun in a fist fight.
Don't attack people on the street just because you don't like the neighborhood watch watching the neighborhood.
Quote: AZDuffmanDon't attack people on the street just because you don't like the neighborhood watch watching the neighborhood.
Don't start following people just because they are wearing a hoody with the hood up. Funny though, I wear hoody's all the time, and no-one ever follows me around.
(I guess I just don't look like trouble.)
Oh so many lessons to be learned from this.
Quote: 24BingoWe know that's what he says. If that's the case, we know also that he's the only man in history to have his head smashed against concrete without leaving a more serious mark.
If he was being punched side to side that is totally possible that there was not a serious mark. Still, Martin attacked him. Are you saying it is OK to attack a person?
