Zimmerman Trial
Another suspicious looking (Black) kid was shot by some dude. Only problem this time: There is video footage of the whole thing. Next time, douchebag, turn off your surveillance camera first, then you will get away scott free.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/trial-milwaukee-mom-recounts-shooting-son-13-article-1.1400993
Quote: boymimboWhat we do know is that there was a physical altercation that escalated because Zimmerman had the gun. Trayvon isn't alive to claim that he was defending himself, and the audio and forensic evidence is murky.
No, the gun was no reason for an escalation. What we know is Travon said a creepy-ass-cracker was following him and he may was informed by his girlfriend on the phone that she thought Zimmerman was a gay rapist.
Quote:In the end, lesson learned (in Florida): don't look suspicious, or you could wind up dead.
That can happen anywhere, which why it is better to be polite than attack the neighborhood watch person, knock him to the ground, and keep punching him.
http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/22/george-zimmerman-grabs-fire-extinguisher-pulls-family-from-overturned-suv
Quote: Beethoven9thWhile Trayvon supporters are protesting, Zimmerman is out rescuing a family.
http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/22/george-zimmerman-grabs-fire-extinguisher-pulls-family-from-overturned-suv
This story doesn't tell me what racial profile they were. How am I meant to tell what I am meant to feel about it with that information (/sarcasm).
Quote: Beethoven9thWhile Trayvon supporters are protesting, Zimmerman is out rescuing a family.
http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/22/george-zimmerman-grabs-fire-extinguisher-pulls-family-from-overturned-suv
Still acting like a wannabe cop, rescuing people this time.
Quote: AZNo, the gun was no reason for an escalation.
If no one has a gun, then no one dies, and it's unlikely that Zimmerman gets out of his truck.
Quote: AZThat can happen anywhere
No, not here. No one can lawfully carry guns except law enforcement, and where I live, it's quite unlikely that suspicious looking people, especially teenagers (of any color) are carrying guns. If I see someone suspicious, I call the cops, and if I feel safe, I confront the person. This comment, coming from someone who does not live in a gated community with a public path behind my house.
Quote: AZwhich why it is better to be polite than attack the neighborhood watch person
Says the only witness who is alive to recant his version of events. He must be telling the truth.
Quote: boymimboIf no one has a gun, then no one dies, and it's unlikely that Zimmerman gets out of his truck.
So you are saying nobody ever died from knives, clubs, or anything else?
Quote:No, not here. No one can lawfully carry guns except law enforcement, and where I live, it's quite unlikely that suspicious looking people, especially teenagers (of any color) are carrying guns. If I see someone suspicious, I call the cops, and if I feel safe, I confront the person. This comment, coming from someone who does not live in a gated community with a public path behind my house.
Zimmerman *did* call the cops. However he was attacked and beaten by Martin before they could arrive.
Quote:Says the only witness who is alive to recant his version of events. He must be telling the truth.
Also says the both the physical evidence and witnesses for even the prosecution. So yes, it seems he is telling the truth. The female Martin was talking to admitted Martin called Zimmerman a "creepy ass cracker" and she suggested Zimmerman was a gay male considering raping Martin or something. All of this time Zimmerman was merely on neighborhood watch.
it seems the media loves to play the race card, as if african americans are being gunned down by other races at the drop of a hat.
Yet only 7 percent of all black murders are perpetrated by non-blacks.
this particular case is 2 minorities going against each other.
what is so newsworthy of this.
I mean if a korean man shot and killed a chinese man....is it a national issue like this case?
Quote: AZDuffmanSo you are saying nobody ever died from knives, clubs, or anything else?
Zimmerman *did* call the cops. However he was attacked and beaten by Martin before they could arrive.
Also says the both the physical evidence and witnesses for even the prosecution. So yes, it seems he is telling the truth. The female Martin was talking to admitted Martin called Zimmerman a "creepy ass cracker" and she suggested Zimmerman was a gay male considering raping Martin or something. All of this time Zimmerman was merely on neighborhood watch.
I continue to find it really ironic that you push the "creepy ass cracker" (which is how GZ was acting if you were TM) quote from Rachel Jeantel while disbelieving everything else she said. She said he ran. GZ followed him. He ran again. GZ followed him. He continued to talk to her. GZ came up to him; he said, "What you following me for?" His headset fell into the grass; she heard them fighting on grass (not concrete) and TM saying, "Get off, get off" (placing GZ on top). Believe her; don't believe her. But don't make a big deal about the part of the truth that fits your agenda and ignore the rest.
Zimmerman did call the cops, and then ignored the dispatchers advice and escalated the situation by getting out of his truck. Trayvon is not innocent either, far from it.
No one saw or witnessed the start of the altercation. There is only the word of Zimmerman and his version of events. He *could* be telling the truth.
Jurors sit there for 8 hours a day and can take notes, and hear all the minute details.
They can take notes, and have testimoney brought to them to re-read.
I get a redacted version when I get home
I get what the news show wants me to see in order to keep my interest
If they show me something that will make me outraged...better for their ratings. And if there is some evidence that might lessen my outrage..well then it may not make it on that show that day.
personally I dont pretend to know better than the jurors. Seeing a few minutes of testimony and making a judgement as to whether the person testifying was credible is silly. Maybe a witness sounds great on the few minues I see on tv....BUT in the other 90 minutes of testimoney they say something that makes them less credible. Something I never see.
Do juries sometimes get it wrong? Sure. But mostly I think its lousey prosecution or defense that does one side in.
It seems the bigotry only can go from others to travan,
maybe travan enjoyed the thought of beating up a gay man
people want to get into zimmermans head and suppose he was anti-black
well maybe martin was anti-gay
Pulling a gun out in a confrontation with a stranger. I think that would past muster with a jury for someone claiming fear of their life. So, Martin would qualify if he had bested Zimm on the ground.
Martin was not an actual neighborhood thief, which helps make Zimmerman look bad.
Jurors might haggle over Zimmerman's injuries, but he was still the one who brought the gun.
This shit is less about who is right, but who is left to talk about it.
Quote: rxwineHad Martin managed to kill Zimmerman, perhaps with Zimmermans's own gun, it would be just as hard to convict Martin. Zimmerman would not be able to testify. No one saw the fight start. Martin could claim any number of scenarios where Zimmerman became a threat, just pulling a gun out in close quarters should put anyone in fear of their life which is the only qualification that should be needed in stranger vs. stranger. AM I right? I'm pretty sure I am.
Pulling a gun out in a confrontation with a stranger. I think that would past muster with a jury for someone claiming fear of their life. So, Martin would qualify if he had bested Zimm on the ground.
Martin was not an actual neighborhood thief, which helps make Zimmerman look bad.
Jurors might haggle over Zimmerman's injuries, but he was still the one who brought the gun.
This shit is less about who is right, but who is left to talk about it.
Well said.
maybe zimmerman profiled, maybe martin once Jeantel said zimmerman might be a GAY RAPIST...was overcome by machismo, not wanting to be thought of as a dude that ran from a gay man. There are alot of maybes.
bigotry could have killed martin...but it may be his own bigotry toward gays that made him stay and fight.
But in the end , to the horror of the media...maybe no bigotry exisited. Mayve it was zimmerman acting on the past reports of black men burgleries, being a wannabe copgoing up against a foolish kid. Both actinglike idiots.
Let everything else exactly be the same.
Do you think he just walks away from the scene a free man like Zimmerman did after police showed up?
Do you think he is eventually acquitted?
this wasnt a white/black suspected crime.
this was 2 minorities
why are we even bringing i white guys into this,
what if it was a 12 year old girl vs dracula.
Quote: LarrySwhat if it was a 12 year old girl vs dracula.
Zed: May I ask why you felt little Tiffany deserved to die?
James Edwards: Well, she was the only one that actually seemed dangerous at the time, sir.
Zed: How'd you come to that conclusion?
James Edwards: Well, first I was gonna pop this guy hanging from the street light, and I realized, y'know, he's just working out. I mean, how would I feel if somebody come runnin' in the gym and bust me in my ass while I'm on the treadmill? Then I saw this snarling beast guy, and I noticed he had a tissue in his hand, and I'm realizing, y'know, he's not snarling, he's sneezing. Y'know, ain't no real threat there. Then I saw little Tiffany. I'm thinking, y'know, eight-year-old white girl, middle of the ghetto, bunch of monsters, this time of night with quantum physics books? She about to start some s***, Zed. She's about eight years old, those books are WAY too advanced for her. If you ask me, I'd say she's up to something. And to be honest, I'd appreciate it if you eased up off my back about it.
Quote: CanyoneroIf the roles had been reversed: A young white 17 year old senator's son walking through a predominantly black part of town to get to a community center to do charity work. He is shot dead by a black neighborhood watch guy on the lookout for a young white guy that had been molesting young females in the area for a while.
So you are saying if a white senator's son attacked a black neighborhood watch person, holding him to the ground and punching him in the face at the same time, what would the reaction be?
It would depend on the party of the Senator, of course.
Quote: AZDuffmanIt would depend on the party of the Senator, of course.
Libertarian.
Quote: rxwineLibertarian.
Then they would blame the Senator's son for his father not supporting help for the neighborhood.
What a tool.
Pointing a shotgun at his girlfriend.
This guy has some serious temper issues. You don't point a gun at anybody unless you fear for your life.
Makes me wonder who else he has pulled a gun on without fearing for his life.
Bottom line is this guy has obvious temper issues, he's the type of person that should not own a gun due to his temper.
In jail without bail tonight, appearing before a judge tomorrow.
What a tool.
Quote: terapinedI see George Zimmerman got busted today.
What a tool.
Pointing a shotgun at his girlfriend.
This guy has some serious temper issues. You don't point a gun at anybody unless you fear for your life.
Makes me wonder who else he has pulled a gun on without fearing for his life.
Bottom line is this guy has obvious temper issues, he's the type of person that should not own a gun due to his temper.
In jail without bail tonight, appearing before a judge tomorrow.
What a tool.
Doesn't change the fact that he was right to defend himself when Martin attacked him.
.. with skittles and orange soda.Quote: AZDuffmanDoesn't change the fact that he was right to defend himself when Martin attacked him.
Like Simpson, he got away with murder once, but in Nevada things are tougher.
Quote: AZDuffmanDoesn't change the fact that he was right to defend himself when Martin attacked him.
Maybe so, but would you really want this guy living next door to you AZ? I understand where you are coming from referring to the trial, but due to his threats today, would you be comfortable having this unbalanced angry armed man living next door to you?
He pulled the shotgun because he was getting kicked out of the place. She was kicking him out, its her place, not his, and instead he pulls a shotgun, points it at her, kicks her out of her own place then barricades the door with furniture. When the police come, instead of opening the door, he refuses to remove the barricade. The police have to move the furniture to get in to a place Zimmerman doesn't belong. This isn't his place and he's armed. Would you feel comfortable having this angry armed man living next door to you AZ?
Clearly dangerous. That's why he's in jail right now.
Quote: s2dbaker.. with skittles and orange soda.
No, with fists. Maybe you did not see the trial?
Quote: MrVToo bad he didn't assault her in Nevada; no doubt a Nevada judge would "OJ" him.
Like Simpson, he got away with murder once, but in Nevada things are tougher.
Where the hell were you in 94? They needed that witness that was there that observed OJ committing the crime at the original trial. People like you are why a man is sitting in jail today for a crime that others would have been given probation for.
Judith Glass got a TV show out her sellout, what did you get?
And by the way, where is that decision on the appeal that was due months ago????
But on a lighter note, I love your Ahigh stuff.
Quote: s2dbaker.. with skittles and orange soda.
Actually, it was with the concrete pavement. That's what he bashed Zimmerman's head against.
Quote: MrVToo bad he didn't assault her in Nevada; no doubt a Nevada judge would "OJ" him.
Like Simpson, he got away with murder once, but in Nevada things are tougher.
It's really too bad he assaulted her at all.
Which brings up a statistic I recently discovered.
In Alaska there are twenty thousand battered women.
Hell, all this time I've been eating mine plain.
Kinda sensing a pattern here. Zimmerman's estranged wife calls 911 because he threatens her with a weapon. A few months later, his new girlfriend calls 911 because Zimmerman is busting up her furniture with a shotgun. All this is all after Zimmerman stalks a kid who is armed with Skittles and orange soda across a neighborhood and then murders the kid.Quote: petroglyphIt's really too bad he assaulted her at all.
At the very least, this Zimmerman guy shouldn't have a gun. He really should be serving a life sentence for murder but at the very least, he should not be in possession of a weapon.
Quote: s2dbakerAll this is all after Zimmerman stalks defended himself against a kid who is armed with Skittles and orange soda across a neighborhood and then murders the kid attacked him & bashed the back of his head against the concrete pavement.
Fixed.
Quote: s2dbakerKinda sensing a pattern here. Zimmerman's estranged wife calls 911 because he threatens her with a weapon. A few months later, his new girlfriend calls 911 because Zimmerman is busting up her furniture with a shotgun. All this is all after Zimmerman stalks a kid who is armed with Skittles and orange soda across a neighborhood and then murders the kid.
The court of Florida quite clearly shows that Zimmerman did not murder anyone. He ws accused of murder and found not guilty. You may not like the result of the case, but he did not commit murder.
We'll just have to agree to disagree.Quote: thecesspitThe court of Florida quite clearly shows that Zimmerman did not murder anyone. He ws accused of murder and found not guilty. You may not like the result of the case, but he did not commit murder.
Quote: s2dbakerWe'll just have to agree to disagree.
There's nothing to disagree about. It's a simple fact.
+1Quote: thecesspitThere's nothing to disagree about. It's a simple fact.
Apparently, s2dbaker isn't aware that 'murder' is a legal term. He'd make a terrible juror.
Quote: s2dbakerKinda sensing a pattern here. Zimmerman's estranged wife calls 911 because he threatens her with a weapon. A few months later, his new girlfriend calls 911 because Zimmerman is busting up her furniture with a shotgun. All this is all after Zimmerman stalks a kid who is armed with Skittles and orange soda across a neighborhood and then murders the kid.
Does the right have an Al Sharpton equivalent? They need to make sure Zimmerman's innocent defender status is not impaired by this bad publicity.
Westboro Baptist Church, Bradlee Dean, the AFA.. The list is long.Quote: rxwineDoes the right have an Al Sharpton equivalent?
Wrong, as usual.Quote: s2dbakerWestboro Baptist Church, Bradlee Dean, the AFA.. The list is long.
The left embraces Al Sharpton, while nobody on the right has anything to do with Westboro Church. I haven't even heard of the other two you listed.
Quote: s2dbakerKinda sensing a pattern here.
He's like Lindsay Lohan: always in the news, always getting arrested.
It may well be true that, against all his strivings, trouble stalks George Zimmerman. It may be true that George Zimmerman never pointed a shotgun at his girlfriend's face. That Ms. Scheibe smashed a table, took his stuff, started throwing it and then called 911 on herself. That she was simply being poetic when she said "you pointed your gun in my freaking face and told me get the f**k out" and then added "he knows how to do this. He knows how to play this game."
And it may be true that in September when Zimmerman's ex-wife, Shelly Zimmerman, claimed that he had punched her father and threatened them with a gun she was embellishing. That when she called 911 and said "I'm really afraid. I don't know what he's capable of. I'm really scared," she was suffering some form of hallucination. That Zimmerman had not smashed his wife's iPad. That it was his wife that assaulted him with it. That Shelly's father had challenged Zimmerman to a fight.
Maybe he's just a really unlucky guy. But I'm beginning to get skeptical. I'm beginning to think he's a violent lunatic who belongs in jail.
Quote: s2dbakerKinda sensing a pattern here. Zimmerman's estranged wife calls 911 because he threatens her with a weapon. A few months later, his new girlfriend calls 911 because Zimmerman is busting up her furniture with a shotgun. All this is all after Zimmerman stalks a kid who is armed with Skittles and orange soda across a neighborhood and then murders the kid.
At the very least, this Zimmerman guy shouldn't have a gun. He really should be serving a life sentence for murder but at the very least, he should not be in possession of a weapon.
Add another pattern maker. Prior to murdering a kid, he is 1 credit short from graduating from Community College, but is not allowed on campus as he is deemed a danger. Some sort of law enforcement degree.
Perhaps he should follow in the steps of retired NFL players and allow his brain to be examined after his death. No, not for concussion damage. But I believe they will find a killer gene has mutated with a BF gene. That would explain his actions.
Quote: s2dbakerI know one person who has called 911 and that was for an ambulance due to acute abdominal pains. I know no one personally who has called 911 for police intervention. This George Zimmerman is a 911 star.
Actually, Zimmerman called 911 right before thug Trayvon attacked him and bashed his head against the ground.
The guy is a mad dog, and we all know what happens to mad dogs .
is it possible it wasnt the jury that got it wrong...but the prosecution that did a poor job of presenting the case
or is it possible that personal info ambout the type ofperson zimmerman is was not obtainable by the prosecutors or allwed to be presented tothe jury
Quote: LarrySis it possible the jury got it right based on the evidence they were presented with
is it possible it wasnt the jury that got it wrong...but the prosecution that did a poor job of presenting the case
or is it possible that personal info ambout the type ofperson zimmerman is was not obtainable by the prosecutors or allwed to be presented tothe jury
I think it's possible George should have hung out on his porch that night with the gun within reach and called 911 about a black guy walking by him. He'd still be protected and having a nice life.
Quote: rxwineI think it's possible George should have hung out on his porch that night with the gun within reach and called 911 about a black guy walking by him. He'd still be protected and having a nice life.
I think it's possible Trayvon should have walked home that night and called 911 about a man following him. He'd still be protected and having a nice life.
