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Beethoven9th
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June 20th, 2013 at 9:32:21 PM permalink
Quote: sodawater

I love how on Ahigh's nearly empty forum, he slams the Wiz for not "putting his money where his mouth is" and playing craps at the meet-up.


I saw that too, and I don't understand Ahigh's point. It's like he takes it personally if someone just doesn't feel like playing craps with him on a given day. *shrug*
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June 20th, 2013 at 9:33:31 PM permalink
Quote: sodawater

I love how on Ahigh's nearly empty forum, he slams the Wiz for not "putting his money where his mouth is" and playing craps at the meet-up. As if the Wiz would need to prove anything by making bets?



Did you miss the post where Ahigh blames his current losing
streak on betting 'per the recommendation of the Wizard'.
So its the Wiz's fault that he loses, I knew it couldn't be Ahighs.

Near the bottom of this thread: http://forum.goodshooter.com/topic251.html
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June 20th, 2013 at 9:33:47 PM permalink
Quote: sodawater

You are right, Harley did say that, but Ahigh also expressed similar senitment w/r/t Mike not playing craps in Ahigh's post where he also says "Wizard is generally unaware of who I am. He has never done any research at all to really know anything at all about me or about why I am here in Las Vegas."


Careful. Ahigh will be p*ssed if he finds out you used a quote from his forum. LOL!
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June 20th, 2013 at 9:37:07 PM permalink
I am setting the over/under on Ahigh's first WoV post after his tempban at noon Las Vegas time, July 1.

Takers?
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June 20th, 2013 at 9:38:16 PM permalink
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June 20th, 2013 at 9:40:11 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

I hate to burst his bubble but he's losing for two reasons:

1. He is not an AP.
2. He is playing a -EV game.



And he is losing a lot more than he should because he is doing ridiculous things like

1. "fibonacci betting the field"

2. playing crapless craps.
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June 21st, 2013 at 12:00:30 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Why does he think short rolls are OK, thats the question.



I thought the questions was: Why are you so obsessed with him? Is it because you two are so much alike?
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June 21st, 2013 at 8:27:52 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Cowardly? How so. It would be cowardly to say nothing. I can't join Ahigh's forum, he has listed my name as
one of the Forbidden One's. So where do you figure cowards fits into this.


It is not bravery that induces middle school girls to gang-up on an individual in the lunchroom.

Any adults who participate in such childish behavior would do well to stop and thoroughly examine their motivations.
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June 21st, 2013 at 8:41:22 AM permalink
I was not smart enough to stop playing craps once I had beaten it (with a 4K firebet win on my roll). You try to chase the wins and what happens is the same thing that happens with 99% of other craps players. Here briefly is the progression of a craps player from my POV:

(1) You start with the Pass line only as you learn the game.
(2) Once you become familiar with the Pass and understand the other pays, you start to place the 6/8 or a come bet.
(3) Your brain releases endorphins with wins and losses that are difficult to control.
(4) You make more bets or more money on the 6/8, the come bet, and the pass line -- or the don't opposites.
(5) That isn't enough, so you start betting on dumber bets, maybe placing a 5/9 or a 4/10, or letting the come bets get out of hand, going outside your bankroll zone of comfort.
(6) Eventually that isn't enough -- you want the 15 or 30:1 hit on a horn bet or a 9:1 or 7:1 bet on a hardway and bet it.
(7) Finally, you sink to degenerateness, covering your pass line with horns, betting the hardways and hops, returning multiple times to the ATM or Credit Card advance.

Very few have the discipline to not progress pass steps 3 and 4. Those players are the smart ones -- I can accept a fun game of Craps with a EV of 1 to 1.5%, but once you start mixing in 9 - 18% HAs it becomes a sucker game based on superstition, hunches, and feelings.

I didn't have the discipline and after a few losing sessions of a few hundred stopped playing altogther.
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June 21st, 2013 at 8:42:51 AM permalink
Quote: sodawater

And he is losing a lot more than he should because he is doing ridiculous things like

1. "fibonacci betting the field"


The biggest win of my life came when I used a positive Fibonacci press on the passline. Of course, I didn't know beforehand that I was going to make 12 passes in a row.
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June 21st, 2013 at 8:43:22 AM permalink
Quote: tupp

It is not bravery that induces middle school girls to gang-up on an individual in the lunchroom.

Any adults who participate in such childish behavior would do well to stop and thoroughly examine their motivations.



Certainly, ganging up one someone - especially someone who is currently unable to respond - is an act of cowardice.

But, I also think we could find an appropriate adjective for someone who flees to his own house specifically so that he can call other people names whenever he wants.

Nobody is clean in this crap-pile.
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June 21st, 2013 at 8:51:21 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

I wouldnt call his critics "cowardly loud mouths." Just as Ahigh had a right to politely present his opinions here, his critics also had a right to present their differing views.


Perhaps you missed the part about the quiet, impartial lurker who characterized most of the participants in this thread as "middle school girls ganging up on someone in the lunchroom."

There was also another part of the lurker's comment about how this thread was created entirely to pick on Ahigh, who hadn't even commented here for weeks.


Quote: AlanMendelson

Frankly, I think Ahigh crossed the line first for offensive comments.


As usual, a very interesting take on the facts. Please link the comment in which Ahigh "crossed the line" first. I am certain that there is months of abuse from Ahigh's opponents prior to anything you can link.

Frankly, I am surprised that Ahigh was able to hold it together as long as he did. If it were me, I would have lashed-out at the first insult.


Quote: AlanMendelson

And it doesn't surprise me that his right hand man would be the first to call everyone else a cowardly loud mouth.


If you are trying to "get" me with that weak innuendo, save your energy.

I have stated before on this forum that I merely react to the antagonistic loudmouths and to the gang abuse. It wouldn't matter if the victim was Ahigh or someone else, nor would it matter if the subject was DI or video poker strategy.
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June 21st, 2013 at 9:08:09 AM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

Certainly, ganging up one someone - especially someone who is currently unable to respond - is an act of cowardice.


Agreed.


Quote: rdw4potus

But, I also think we could find an appropriate adjective for someone who flees to his own house specifically so that he can call other people names whenever he wants.


Well, he didn't have any choice in "fleeing" -- he was banned from this site. In regards to calling people names, I am ignorant of the other site mentioned.

What strikes me is that his antagonizers have actually followed him to the other site and then built this thread with cross-posts just to pick on him.


Quote: rdw4potus

Nobody is clean in this crap-pile.


You are clean, and so are many others here who have refrained from bullying.
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June 21st, 2013 at 9:28:02 AM permalink
Quote: tupp


What strikes me is that his antagonizers have actually followed him to the other site and then built this thread with cross-posts just to pick on him.



I'm not sure if they did it just to pick on him. Certainly, they ARE picking on him and that's not good. But I doubt that it's their sole motivation. I think they also have an honest interest in the discussion of dice influence and dice control, and that often heated discussion is going to follow Aaron wherever he goes.
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June 21st, 2013 at 9:39:34 AM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

I'm not sure if they did it just to pick on him. Certainly, they ARE picking on him and that's not good. But I doubt that it's their sole motivation. I think they also have an honest interest in the discussion of dice influence and dice control, and that often heated discussion is going to follow Aaron wherever he goes.


I give a pass on that, but as has been observed this thread is bashing him in absentia - shameful
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June 21st, 2013 at 9:50:24 AM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

Certainly, ganging up one someone - especially someone who is currently unable to respond - is an act of cowardice.



I agree too. He comes off suspension tomorrow. If you want to say something about him, at least wait until then. However, I would prefer you go to his forum and say it there.
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June 21st, 2013 at 11:46:25 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

However, I would prefer you go to his forum and say it there.



Ditto.
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June 21st, 2013 at 1:54:00 PM permalink
Unless Ahigh posts, his forum is dead as a
doornail anyway. Not too hard to stay away.
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June 21st, 2013 at 1:58:55 PM permalink
Quote: tupp

You are clean, and so are many others here who have refrained from bullying.



Keep in mind that the mods here are very quick on the trigger finger, and I believe no posters have been suspended due to any such "bullying" posts on this thread.

Point being: are you SURE the comments are indeed "bullying," at least as defined in rule number twelve?

If the Wiz felt "bullying" was afoot, the "bully" would be suspended, don't you think?
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June 21st, 2013 at 2:02:58 PM permalink
The bully IS suspended and he's eligible to come back tomorrow. The thread was probably started dreading that he might come back and start a mess again.

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June 21st, 2013 at 4:14:38 PM permalink
I would welcome his return, if he chooses to reconsider his self-imposed exile.

Bully for him.
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June 21st, 2013 at 4:35:34 PM permalink
Quote: MrV


Bully for him.



He could have the bully pulpit here again, he must
miss it.

bully pulpit
n.
An advantageous position, as for making one's views known
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June 21st, 2013 at 6:32:31 PM permalink
Absolutely right on the mark !!!
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June 21st, 2013 at 7:09:06 PM permalink
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Quote: tupp
You are clean, and so are many others here who have refrained from bullying.

And yet Mister V is only one of 5 people on this planet who have been declared persona-non-Grata on ahigh's forum !
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June 21st, 2013 at 7:19:14 PM permalink
Quote: Buzzard

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Quote: tupp
You are clean, and so are many others here who have refrained from bullying.

And yet Mister V is only one of 5 people on this planet who have been declared persona-non-Grata on ahigh's forum !



But Tupp said that to me...
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June 21st, 2013 at 7:24:24 PM permalink
My error. But mister V is still persona-non-Grata. Ahigh has not been as tolerant on his forum as members here were to him.
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June 21st, 2013 at 7:26:40 PM permalink
Quote: sodawater

I am setting the over/under on Ahigh's first WoV post after his tempban at noon Las Vegas time, July 1.

Takers?


I'm game. :)

How much do you want to bet?
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June 21st, 2013 at 7:27:50 PM permalink
I definitely think his return will be delayed days, if not weeks.
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June 21st, 2013 at 7:43:27 PM permalink
I think he won't come back right away. But he'll be back sometime. I hope he comes back. My favorite game is craps and he ignites a lot of craps discussion. I've never had anything against him but I just get turned off by his ego and the way he talks to people at times. That said I don't always agree with the sarcasm directed towards him either.
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June 21st, 2013 at 7:56:26 PM permalink
Ahigh is what they call a:

Polarizing Figure

1. causes people to adopt extreme opposing positions
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June 21st, 2013 at 8:05:35 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Ahigh is what they call a:

Polarizing Figure

1. causes people to adopt extreme opposing positions



OMG, you ARE Ahigh! :-P
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June 21st, 2013 at 8:38:23 PM permalink
The problem is, he is just so stubborn. He doesn't listen to or even consider good advice. He believes he has powers to control the dice unlike almost anyone else. He believes he is the most knowledgeable person on the topic.

I deal with people like him every day. Different games, different people, but same old same old. Every day. I see the progression he is going through. I've seen in a hundred times. I don't know where he works, but let's say it is McDonalds. If I thought I was an expert at making a hamburger and he chimed in saying he does this all the time and he has some thoughts on the situation, I would listen. I might not follow the advice, but I would be appreciative of it and consider it.

I don't dislike him. I don't want anything bad to happen in his life. Aside from the debate on if he can control dice on a legal through, I've tried to give him advice on his play and the effect it could and most likely eventually will have on his personal life. He does not listen. He doesn't consider. He just thinks he has all the answers.

I wish he would attempt to have an open mind when people not only offer advice, but also when people criticize him. Words can't hurt you. You can learn from everyone and every situation. I learn every day and I'm pretty good at what I do. We were given 2 ears and only 1 mouth for a reason and they should be used proportionately.

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June 21st, 2013 at 9:10:14 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

He only wants the believing KoolAid drinkers on his site,
if you don't believe short rolls and DI are the keys to the
kingdom, you aren't welcome. No naysayers are allowed,
its a cult following of true believers only.



I'll agree with this: short rolls can win. The trick is to get them to let you do it.

Quote: EvenBob

The same thing with the roulette tote boards. If
they thought a player could gain even the smallest
advantage from looking at past spins, those boards
would disappear tomorrow. I can't tell you how many
times I've been lectured by the pit because I write
down whats on the board. They treat me like I'm
a drooling moron..



...? It's well-known that you can gain an advantage by tracking spins. There's a song about it...
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June 21st, 2013 at 9:41:35 PM permalink
Quote: 24Bingo

I'll agree with this: short rolls can win. The trick is to get them to let you do it.



No trick, they won't let you do it for long.



Quote: 24Bingo

The same thing with the roulette tote boards... It's well-known that you can gain an advantage by tracking spins.



Wheel tracking has nothing to do with the tote board.
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June 22nd, 2013 at 1:18:51 AM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

I'm not sure if they did it just to pick on him. Certainly, they ARE picking on him and that's not good. But I doubt that it's their sole motivation. I think they also have an honest interest in the discussion of dice influence and dice control, and that often heated discussion is going to follow Aaron wherever he goes.



Can you honestly say that about the OP?
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June 22nd, 2013 at 8:55:41 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Wheel tracking has nothing to do with the tote board.



Not "tracking" in that sense - cataloguing spins.
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June 24th, 2013 at 1:16:33 PM permalink
Harley claims he got this check from Bellagio yesterday.
Am I the only one who thinks it looks photoshopped?

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June 24th, 2013 at 1:20:25 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Harley claims he got this check from Bellagio yesterday.
Am I the only one who thinks it looks photoshopped?



Looks legit to me using the tool at http://29a.ch/sandbox/2012/imageerrorlevelanalysis/
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June 24th, 2013 at 1:25:39 PM permalink
It just doesn't look right. It looks phony.
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June 24th, 2013 at 1:26:37 PM permalink
...? It's well-known that you can gain an advantage by tracking spins. There's a song about it...


I'll bite. Is it Buddy Holly " Fool's Paradise " ? ? ?"
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June 24th, 2013 at 1:26:57 PM permalink
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June 24th, 2013 at 1:37:40 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Doesn't mean he won anything.



I just think its odd that a short time ago Ahigh
was berating Harley that he talks a big game
but nobody has ever seen him make any big
bets. And voila, just like that, Harley posts a
pic of a $50K check. Seems awfully coincidental
to me.
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June 24th, 2013 at 1:41:50 PM permalink
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June 24th, 2013 at 1:45:19 PM permalink
You're right, sometimes the obvious eludes me.
Could be anybodies check.
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June 24th, 2013 at 5:34:55 PM permalink
Seems odd that the check amount is so even.

What, he won EXACTLY $50K at craps?

Could it be that he put money in the cage to draw against, like a marker, and decided to get it refunded?

If it's real though: nice hit.
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June 24th, 2013 at 6:12:15 PM permalink
Quote: Buzzard

I'll bite. Is it Buddy Holly " Fool's Paradise " ? ? ?"



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx1SWS1MFbU

According to the description, this song was inspired by a systems bettor who got lucky, but I had always heard it was inspired by Joseph Jagger, who found a warped wheel by keeping track of the spins (which, given Bob's usual attitude toward gambling, I'm fairly sure is what he's been doing).
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June 24th, 2013 at 7:57:48 PM permalink
Why would it be a fake? The check itself is laser printed with the date and amount and the check printer is set to the amount properly. The MICR line conforms to bank standards (the part that I can see). The clear band at the bottom of the check is the minimum height of 5/8th. The fractional routing number 64-1278/611 is also correct and matches the routing number at the bottom of the check.

So yeah, the check is likely quite real.
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June 24th, 2013 at 8:08:47 PM permalink
Quote: boymimbo



So yeah, the check is likely quite real.



So I see a guy getting a big check and ask to take
a pic of it. And pass it off as my own.
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June 24th, 2013 at 8:28:53 PM permalink
Here is another $50,000 check for you. I've tried to impress the women by showing them this check, but it hasn't worked so far.

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June 24th, 2013 at 8:40:27 PM permalink
Years ago... MANY years ago.... I had a big weekend at Caesars. I hit two progressive royals -- one for $24,000+ and one for $21,000+ and on a 50 play $1 machine I was dealt three aces on DDB and picked up a quad with kicker on 2 hands and with the full houses won about $4800 on that one play. And I kept putting money "on my account." And when it came time to go home I asked for a check. The total was some odd amount like $30,240.84 (the 75-cents came from some progressive) and I asked for a check for $30,040.84 (and take $200 cash). That's when the cage manager said to me "Can I write a 'nice check' for thirty thousand even?" Honestly -- her words were "nice check." Apparantly they like to write out checks for big, even amounts for bookkepping purposes. (They were not tip hustling if that's what you're thinking.)

So I can understand about getting an even amount check like $50K. I can't comment about anything else, however.
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