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Bohemian
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June 20th, 2013 at 4:39:29 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Talking to himself, in other words. 90% of the
posts there are from him and the other 10%
are mostly from Harley and 1 other guy. Big
whoop.



EvenBob, I am trying to follow your logic for the past week and it seems to be more like a jealous rant.

Wizard's Craps board:
- a bunch of craps wannabe's that play craps maybe 4 times a year.
- The Wizard who has thrown the dice on a real craps table less than AHigh has in a week.

AHigh's Craps Board:
- Frank Scoblete - #1 craps author and owns his own Craps website, posted more on AHigh's board than WoV.
- a bunch of Las Vegas locals that play craps every week on a real table, not on a computer.
- probably more members that own more real craps table than all of WoV members combined, or at least an astronomical per capita edge.

Ahigh's board not only has quality, but it is starting to have quantity. Wizard's Craps board has been like a cow's fifth tit for years and I don't see it getting any better without quality local Las Vegas craps players involved.
TropicalElectri
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June 20th, 2013 at 6:22:05 AM permalink
I am a frequent " lurker". I have read most of the Ahigh posts and learned a lot about the game of craps.
No one wAs more disappointed than me about his supension since I am currently in the middle of a three week working trip staying at South Point!
I hate to be critical but this thread reminds me of a bunch of middle school girls ganging up on someone in the lunch room for the sheer pleasure of it all.
Ahigh has not posted anything in a month, yet here is a whole thread started for the sole purpose of picking on him.
One Day at a Time
Beethoven9th
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June 20th, 2013 at 7:32:40 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I'll use an IP masking site when I post, the one
I use to play online casinos in EU.


Better be careful. Ahigh just issued a warning that any new members on his site (who are also on WoV) are required to send him a PM with their WoV username. And he has strictly forbidden people from copying & pasting messages from his forum to this board and vice versa. lol...
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June 20th, 2013 at 7:58:12 AM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

And he has strictly forbidden people from copying & pasting messages from his forum to this board and vice versa. lol...



I agree with that. Please do not quote stuff from other boards here. If you have something to say about a post elsewhere, say it elsewhere.

I wish Ahigh well on his forum and invite all the biased dice and dice influence believers to follow him over there. If somebody has a link to his site, you are welcome to post it.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
EvenBob
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June 20th, 2013 at 12:15:23 PM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

Better be careful. Ahigh just issued a warning that any new members on his site (who are also on WoV) are required to send him a PM with their WoV username. And he has strictly forbidden people from copying & pasting messages from his forum to this board and vice versa. lol...



They said people are pasting stuf from his site here.
Where is it, I haven't seen any cut and pastes. Mentioning
what is said is not the same thing, and thats all we're
doing here.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
EvenBob
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June 20th, 2013 at 12:19:36 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard


I wish Ahigh well on his forum and invite all the biased dice and dice influence believers to follow him over there. If somebody has a link to his site, you are welcome to post it.



He only wants the believing KoolAid drinkers on his site,
if you don't believe short rolls and DI are the keys to the
kingdom, you aren't welcome. No naysayers are allowed,
its a cult following of true believers only.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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June 20th, 2013 at 12:36:12 PM permalink
Quote: Bohemian

EvenBob, I am trying to follow your logic for the past week and it seems to be more like a jealous rant.

Wizard's Craps board:
- a bunch of craps wannabe's that play craps maybe 4 times a year.
- The Wizard who has thrown the dice on a real craps table less than AHigh has in a week.

AHigh's Craps Board:
- Frank Scoblete - #1 craps author and owns his own Craps website, posted more on AHigh's board than WoV.
- a bunch of Las Vegas locals that play craps every week on a real table, not on a computer.
- probably more members that own more real craps table than all of WoV members combined, or at least an astronomical per capita edge.

Ahigh's board not only has quality, but it is starting to have quantity. Wizard's Craps board has been like a cow's fifth tit for years and I don't see it getting any better without quality local Las Vegas craps players involved.



Do you know why the WoV craps board doesn't get much interest, aside from the invasion of "dice influencers" in recent months?

Because craps is not that interesting to discuss. It's not a beatable game. All you can do is talk about the house edge, the rules, and the culture of the game. All of which has been discussed ad nauseum.

What Ahigh et al are doing is engaging in ridiculous pipe dreams w/r/t "dice influence." It's a dream of every gambler to be able to control the dice, or the wheel, or the cards coming out of the shoe. What "dice influencers" don't realize is that just because you get to throw the dice, you don't have any more control over the outcome. Roulette dealers get to spin the wheel, but they have no control over the outcome, either -- and they do it every day for hours.

Regarding Frank Scoblete's posting over there, that's great. Let him. He may be the "#1 craps author," but if you've ever read his books, you would know they are mostly unsubstantiated and unprovable stories. The reason Scoblete promotes "dice influence" so much is that it's very profitable -- not at the tables, but in selling his books to the thousands of hopeful suckers who have made him the "#1 craps author."
EvenBob
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June 20th, 2013 at 12:44:19 PM permalink
Quote: sodawater



What Ahigh et al are doing is engaging in ridiculous pipe dreams w/r/t "dice influence." It's a dream of every gambler to be able to control the dice, or the wheel, or the cards coming out of the shoe. What "dice influencers" don't realize is that just because you get to throw the dice, you don't have any more control over the outcome.



And thats exactly why the casino doesn't have a
dealer throwing the dice. They know that some
pie-eyed players will think they can control the
outcome and will bet their asses off. If the casino
thought for a fraction of a second that DI was
possible, they would get rid of players shooting
in an instant.

The same thing with the roulette tote boards. If
they thought a player could gain even the smallest
advantage from looking at past spins, those boards
would disappear tomorrow. I can't tell you how many
times I've been lectured by the pit because I write
down whats on the board. They treat me like I'm
a drooling moron..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
Zcore13
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June 20th, 2013 at 12:46:50 PM permalink
well said exactly on the mark.99 percent of people that sell their systems, whether it be house buying, craps playing, money making, investing, whatever, it's all crap. If they were making so much money doing it they wouldn't be selling it for so cheap.

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Ibeatyouraces
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June 20th, 2013 at 12:49:06 PM permalink
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
TheWolf713
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June 20th, 2013 at 1:03:12 PM permalink
The same reason why the people who lose go back to the table is why most people who are suspended come back to the site...

1) They miss the rush
2) They believe they know more than they did before
3) They believe they are the best player on the planet and others in the world need their expert knowledge

I admire the guys who love to see certain people post and believe their comments.... But if you go over to the other site, you can easily see what their knowledge is doing for them... Bringing heat from casinos and losing. You guys might want to listen to a different perspective for a while.

Super rick has said it, myself, and many others on the forum.

The DI stuff is fun to hear... But its going rip you apart on a table, because you cant become a better player while using a bad foundation.

Furthermore, Vegas is great, but there are more and more casinos popping up around the country with good tables. There are guys who can actually play, that no one has even heard of.

-The Wolf713
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Beethoven9th
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June 20th, 2013 at 1:05:09 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

They said people are pasting stuf from his site here.
Where is it, I haven't seen any cut and pastes. Mentioning
what is said is not the same thing, and thats all we're
doing here.


I just get a kick out of the fact that he forbids people from cutting & pasting stuff from his forum. What's next?? Is he going to forbid us from leaving the toilet seat up?
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Beethoven9th
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June 20th, 2013 at 1:09:43 PM permalink
Quote: sodawater

Because craps is not that interesting to discuss. It's not a beatable game.


That's so true. Same with baccarat; it's not interesting to discuss at all.

There's a guy who keeps posting about how he's an AP at baccarat by following trends and managing his money properly, yet he gets all mad when people call BS.
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hook3670
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June 20th, 2013 at 1:16:55 PM permalink
Anyone who tells you how to beat or win at something, run away. Anyone who truely knows a hot stock or a gambling system or any such thing would be a fool to tell 10,000 people so the secret is out and can be corrected. Those people would use their secret and make the millions of dollars all by themselves instead of scamming the public into believing they are "experts". Like the touts that tell you their"lock of the year". Why would they not just quietly bet the game themselves instead of letting the whole world know about it and moving the line against themselves??
EvenBob
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June 20th, 2013 at 1:20:13 PM permalink
What I can't believe is Ahigh admits he's not ahead
playing craps, he's in the hole. And he dropped
another grand at the tables yesterday. He's in total
denial of what he can and can't do when he plays.

I known other guys like that. There's a really smart
dude I know in another country who thought he had
roulette beat 4-5 years ago. He had a family, yet he
quit his job and started playing full time. When he
started losing, nobody could tell him he was doomed,
all he saw was the fantasy he'd built in his head. It
took his wife packing his backs & making an ultimatum,
his family or roulette, that brought him to his senses.
He hasn't been in a casino since. He was like Ahigh, he
wanted to believe so strongly that he was a winner, he
denied everything that was really happening.

I see whats going on with Ahigh. I just wonder if he
will take it to the point of financial ruin, or even worse,
before it dawns on him that DI doesn't exist.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
AlanMendelson
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June 20th, 2013 at 1:23:02 PM permalink
I wish Ahigh well with his site and his forum. Everyone with a controversial opinion should have their own website so that they can get their views out to the public without the fear of unfair editing. Ahigh's own website will allow him to do that.

I also agree that content from someone's website should not be copied onto another website without permission from the original website. Discussing what is on another site, and posting links to content on another site is always permitted and there should be no objection to it.

I still hope for the day when I can play with a real dice controller who can make a difference in the game. I yearn for a chance to be there when a true dice controller beats the casino. Oh... how I yearn for that day!! Keep practicing dice controllers and please let me know when you're ready to show your stuff!! All of you... please.... I'm waiting.
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June 20th, 2013 at 1:48:26 PM permalink
Quote: TropicalElectri

... this thread reminds me of a bunch of middle school girls ganging up on someone in the lunch room for the sheer pleasure of it all.

Ahigh has not posted anything in a month, yet here is a whole thread started for the sole purpose of picking on him.


A piercing observation from a quiet lurker that nails all of the cowardly loud mouths in this thread.

I hope everyone is proud of themselves!
AlanMendelson
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June 20th, 2013 at 1:59:29 PM permalink
I wouldnt call his critics "cowardly loud mouths." Just as Ahigh had a right to politely present his opinions here, his critics also had a right to present their differing views. Frankly, I think Ahigh crossed the line first for offensive comments. And it doesn't surprise me that his right hand man would be the first to call everyone else a cowardly loud mouth.
EvenBob
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June 20th, 2013 at 2:07:00 PM permalink
Quote: tupp

nails all of the cowardly loud mouths in this thread.

!



Cowardly? How so. It would be cowardly to say nothing.
I can't join Ahigh's forum, he has listed my name as
one of the Forbidden One's. So where do you figure
cowards fits into this. He can come here after Saturday
and defend himself to his hearts content. Right?
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
Beethoven9th
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June 20th, 2013 at 2:11:48 PM permalink
Not sure who exactly is being referred to as a "cowardly loud mouth", but I personally have nothing against Ahigh at all. In fact, I've always enjoyed his posts and wish he would come back.
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June 20th, 2013 at 2:45:37 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Cowardly? How so. It would be cowardly to say nothing.
I can't join Ahigh's forum, he has listed my name as
one of the Forbidden One's. So where do you figure
cowards fits into this. He can come here after Saturday
and defend himself to his hearts content. Right?



I just saw that Ahigh has me on "his list" as well. Well, I've made lots of lists in my life. ;-)

It's too bad that Mr Ahigh doesn't want to face objectionable opinions on his site. I guess it takes a cerain amount of courage to open yourself up to criticism. So, to Tupp or to Ahigh or to anyone else who might be in contact with Aaron... since Ahigh has no intentions of returning here to the WOV forum let him know that he is welcome to post on my forum. And my invitation is open to him without any strings attached even though he won't allow me on his forum. Unlike Ahigh I welcome criticism along with spirited and informed discussion.
EvenBob
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June 20th, 2013 at 2:53:44 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

Unlike Ahigh I welcome criticism along with spirited and informed discussion.



I've found that people with shakey and flimsy arguments
for their positions on a subject never welcome opposing
views. They believe what they believe, and want to believe
it so badly, that any criticism at all shakes them right to
their core and makes them doubt themselves. Can't have
that when money you can't afford to lose (no matter how
many times you say you CAN afford it) is on the line.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
Zcore13
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June 20th, 2013 at 3:04:02 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Cowardly? How so. It would be cowardly to say nothing.
I can't join Ahigh's forum, he has listed my name as
one of the Forbidden One's. So where do you figure
cowards fits into this. He can come here after Saturday
and defend himself to his hearts content. Right?



My name is listed as "not welcome" as well. There must be rules against higher IQ's and requests for proof over there??? Little does he know I joined there long ago and have posted a few times already and my name is still active.

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June 20th, 2013 at 3:09:27 PM permalink
"I much prefer the sharpest criticism of a single intelligent man to the thoughtless approval of the masses."
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plain and simple
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MrV
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June 20th, 2013 at 5:11:31 PM permalink
Where is a link to this website you guys keep yapping about?
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SanchoPanza
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June 20th, 2013 at 5:15:55 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

Where is a link to this website you guys keep yapping about?

Can "The List" be accessed without registering?
EvenBob
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June 20th, 2013 at 5:21:32 PM permalink
Quote: SanchoPanza

Can "The List" be accessed without registering?



Yes. http://forum.goodshooter.com/forum2.html

See if you can figure out which poster I am there.
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June 20th, 2013 at 5:22:30 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

Where is a link to this website you guys keep yapping about?

Quote: SanchoPanza

Can "The List" be accessed without registering?


http://forum.goodshooter.com
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Beethoven9th
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June 20th, 2013 at 5:23:42 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

See if you can figure out which poster I am there.


Were you the one he just banned today?
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EvenBob
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June 20th, 2013 at 5:24:48 PM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

Were you the one he just banned today?



Somebody was banned? Wasn't me.
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June 20th, 2013 at 5:30:23 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Somebody was banned? Wasn't me.


Yeah, although I have no idea how he determined that person X deserved a ban.
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June 20th, 2013 at 6:21:47 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Yes. http://forum.goodshooter.com/forum2.html

See if you can figure out which poster I am there.



AHigh?
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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June 20th, 2013 at 6:23:15 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

AHigh?



LOL!
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June 20th, 2013 at 7:31:03 PM permalink
Quote: tupp

Quote: TropicalElectri

... this thread reminds me of a bunch of middle school girls ganging up on someone in the lunch room for the sheer pleasure of it all.

Ahigh has not posted anything in a month, yet here is a whole thread started for the sole purpose of picking on him.


A piercing observation from a quiet lurker that nails all of the cowardly loud mouths in this thread.

I hope everyone is proud of themselves!



Aaron has threatened people on this site and called casino employees bad names. Aaron is a bully. Some day he'll say the wrong thing to the wrong person and get his ass kicked
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June 20th, 2013 at 7:36:51 PM permalink
Quote: Beardgoat

Aaron has threatened people on this site and called casino employees bad names. Aaron is a bully. Some day he'll say the wrong thing to the wrong person and get his ass kicked



Careful, Ahigh is still a forum member and thus has protection from insults. Consider this a warning. As far as I know he hasn't officially resigned.
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June 20th, 2013 at 7:41:43 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

AHigh?



Gotta be Harley, right? :-)
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June 20th, 2013 at 7:46:03 PM permalink
Quote: Beardgoat



Aaron has threatened people on this site and called casino employees bad names. Aaron is a bully. Some day he'll say the wrong thing to the wrong person and get his ass kicked



Indeed. He says on his site he wants the option
of calling people names if he wants, and saying
whatever he wants to them, which he can't do
here. Who thinks like that.
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June 20th, 2013 at 8:07:57 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Careful, Ahigh is still a forum member and thus has protection from insults. Consider this a warning. As far as I know he hasn't officially resigned.



Huh? What was the insult?
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June 20th, 2013 at 8:11:41 PM permalink
Now his Royal A-high-ness says me, or any of the
5 people on his banned forever list, can join if
we just play craps for an hour with him. Why
do I doubt that? Listening to him whine for an
hour about being picked on is not on my bucket
list, sorry..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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June 20th, 2013 at 8:16:54 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Now his Royal A-high-ness says me, or any of the
5 people on his banned forever list, can join if
we just play craps for an hour with him.



I would love to play craps with Ahigh. We tried to set up three different dates to play craps together.

The first date I had to cancel.
The second date he failed to call me when I was up there so we never met up.
The third invitation ... well, you know the story. He declined my dinner and play invitation but by coincidence he happed to have been at Caesars and didn't want to say hello even though "his friend" who had a notebook and was recording my rolls at my table informed him that I was there. While I am sorry I missed connecting with Ahigh I was very flattered that another Vegas resident knew who I was and was able to point me out to Ahigh.

But yes, I would hook up and play with Ahigh, if....
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June 20th, 2013 at 8:19:19 PM permalink
Quote: Beardgoat

Huh? What was the insult?



the "Aaron is a bully" line is all I really see. But he's currently suspended for bullying, so I'm confused, too.
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EvenBob
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June 20th, 2013 at 8:44:14 PM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

the "Aaron is a bully" line is all I really see. But he's currently suspended for bullying, so I'm confused, too.



Again, who is it that admits he wants his own
forum so he can call people names whenever
he wants without repercussions? Again, who
thinks like this? I know you know the answer..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
Beethoven9th
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June 20th, 2013 at 8:52:54 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Now his Royal A-high-ness says me, or any of the
5 people on his banned forever list, can join if
we just play craps for an hour with him. Why
do I doubt that? Listening to him whine for an
hour about being picked on is not on my bucket
list, sorry..


I just read that post. lol

Can you imagine any of the mods here saying, "You're banned..........unless you play craps with me for an hour?"
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June 20th, 2013 at 9:07:49 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Now his Royal A-high-ness says me, or any of the
5 people on his banned forever list, can join if
we just play craps for an hour with him. Why
do I doubt that? Listening to him whine for an
hour about being picked on is not on my bucket
list, sorry..



I'm already a member there and I'm on the list. I think I'm double special.

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EvenBob
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June 20th, 2013 at 9:10:42 PM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

I just read that post. lol

Can you imagine any of the mods here saying, "You're banned..........unless you play craps with me for an hour?"



Its really odd. The Wiz says he saw Ahigh playing at
the M and asked why he was making all the wrong
bets. Ahighs response was he only plays for fun. Yet
all he talks about is how much he wins or loses. I'm
thinking you could bet wherever you want and Ahigh
wouldn't even know the difference.
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June 20th, 2013 at 9:14:57 PM permalink
I love how on Ahigh's nearly empty forum, he slams the Wiz for not "putting his money where his mouth is" and playing craps at the meet-up. As if the Wiz would need to prove anything by making bets?

Some people are just not intelligent enough to properly evaluate casino games. The problem is, these same people are the ones who, often, are the most vocal about their flawed beliefs.
Ibeatyouraces
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June 20th, 2013 at 9:19:56 PM permalink
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
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June 20th, 2013 at 9:20:20 PM permalink
Quote: sodawater

I love how on Ahigh's nearly-empty forum, he slams the Wiz for not "putting his money where his mouth is" and playing craps at the meet-up. As if the Wiz would need to prove anything by making bets?

Some people are just not intelligent enough to properly evaluate casino games. The problem is, these same people are the ones who, often, are the most vocal about their flawed beliefs.



I think it was actually Harley who said that over there. To be clear, the meetup was at Paris and the craps session was at Casino Royale immediately following the meetup. Mike was not at CR at all. It's not like he was just hanging out and not having the "guts" to gamble. Rather, he went on with his day, which was pretty hectic with the flat tire incident and all...
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June 20th, 2013 at 9:25:56 PM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

I think it was actually Harley who said that over there. To be clear, the meetup was at Paris and the craps session was at Casino Royale immediately following the meetup. Mike was not at CR at all. It's not like he was just hanging out and not having the "guts" to gamble. Rather, he went on with his day, which was pretty hectic with the flat tire incident and all...



You are right, Harley did say that, but Ahigh also expressed similar senitment w/r/t Mike not playing craps in Ahigh's post where he also says "Wizard is generally unaware of who I am. He has never done any research at all to really know anything at all about me or about why I am here in Las Vegas."
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June 20th, 2013 at 9:29:05 PM permalink
I dont know the Wizard but may I say something in his defense about not betting at craps?

Wiz, I wish I had never made a bet at craps in my entire life!! If only I had played video poker instead I would be much better off today. And instead of being married at a craps table, we would have been married at the video poker machine where I hit the progressive that paid for the diamond ring.
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