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EvenBob
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November 28th, 2013 at 11:48:55 PM permalink
Quote: petroglyph

So who wins in this little story?
Not me, .



That's the marvel of capitalism, progress. People vote
with their feet and things keep rolling along. The longer
I live, the more I realize life is about constant change.
The universe is about constant change. Learn how to
roll with it, we all look at the past with nostalgia. I
can remember way back to the days when having health
insurance was a choice I had. Now I have Papa
Obama to make that decision for me. Oy..
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
LarryS
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November 29th, 2013 at 12:01:27 AM permalink
Petroglyph
I understand the story about the mexican resterant. But that has happened alot.
Pizza tastes worse than years ago because we the consumer choose pizza hut over mom and pops
Sub sanwiches taste worse because consumers walked away from mom and pops that cut the meat ans cheese in front of you and piled it on the sandwich in favor of subway with precut meats god forbid you should get an extra slice of turkey.
Mom and pop mexican places fell to taco bell who like you said...what is in their products?
Consumers love the disposible furniture sold at ikea and dumped the mom and pop stores

alot of the food we eat or the products we buy are inferior to what we used to have. Yet we accepted this exchange, and now a new generation comes up that doesnt know any better. Doesnt know what real pizza or real subs or real burritos tastes like....and they will continue to accept the sliding of quality in favor of price and convenience. THey dont know that there was a time like in the household I grew up in that furniture lasted a lifetime. They accept the particle board inferior furniture in favor of one stop shopping in a huge store/selection with low prices.
petroglyph
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November 29th, 2013 at 12:05:05 AM permalink
Larry you left out the people have been dumbed down.

I don't disagree with you on shoppers not thinking or caring beyond there immediate selves. [my words]

I'm living with a generation of people who haven't even eaten a good steak and are happy with electronic parenting.

Another complaint I have is it's almost impossible for me to get shoes, that is something I really want to try on and don't want the really cheap ones. If I find ones that fit again I'll buy two or three pairs.

All this predatory capitalism may be legal and modern or by popular choice, I totally realize there is nothing I can do to change it. Although I raged against the machine for decades. I'm definitely in the last quarter of my life. Walmarts stock has been on quite a decline for a while now. This xmas season might put jc penny's out of business. Several reasons there.

When all competition is crushed there won't be any choice. Consider what might happen if Walmart goes out of business, the infrastructure no longer exists to pick up the slack.
petroglyph
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November 29th, 2013 at 12:16:22 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

That's the marvel of capitalism, progress. People vote
with their feet and things keep rolling along. The longer
I live, the more I realize life is about constant change.
The universe is about constant change. Learn how to
roll with it, we all look at the past with nostalgia. I
can remember way back to the days when having health
insurance was a choice I had. Now I have Papa
Obama to make that decision for me. Oy..




But what we have isn't capitalism. And we disagree a bit on what's happening as being progress, but I do understand the inference.

I've said for a long time that the only constant is change.

I'm guessing your med insurance is medicare? I've read that's being gutted to finance aca?

I remember growing up doctors making house calls, you probably do as well, bummer. That made sense for the patient to be able to stay at home and the doctor come to them. That was also cash transactions. Now maybe a person may get a nurse to come by, but lately it seems it's hospice.

What costs me dearly is dental, I'm on a cash basis. I know a couple doctors who said [I think they were joking] they wished they'd become dentists instead.
rxwine
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November 29th, 2013 at 12:17:10 AM permalink
Quote: LarryS

the consumer can at any time reject cheaper prices, reject poorer customer service, reject poorer quality.....but they dont

walmart and others provide people what the consumer wants...prices and conveniece...no frills, no expertise for you to partake.



If you think the unregulated is best, then I suppose your gambling money is better spent in loosely regulated countries and casinos with high corruption or online where there is less oversight or none at all.

I know people who found out otherwise that shopping with your feet is just not good enough indicator of whether business is good for people or bad.

Yup, I want businesses to compete in fair business environments. Call me crazy.
Quasimodo? Does that name ring a bell?
EvenBob
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November 29th, 2013 at 12:48:03 AM permalink
Quote: petroglyph

But what we have isn't capitalism. .



It's capitalism at it's finest. How can you say differently.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
AxelWolf
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November 29th, 2013 at 1:01:43 AM permalink
Quote: LarryS

iF THERE IS A SEALED BOX.....and it looks clean...they are not going to riip it open and then tape it shut. It ruins the chance of reselling it.

They are happy when you return a clean sealed box. Alot of people return a box totally ripped open,..they will have a had time tapeing it up and reselling.

again...its going on because 2 people on this thread already talked about receiving a used small appliance.

its a well known and often used scam

along with the return of clothing I mentioned

people use the system

and as you incorrectly stated..it has nothing to do with a 2 year return policy.

it has nothing to do with lazy workers.

now if u are talking about a 800 dollar flat screen tv totally sealed..i would be surprised if they took a peek inside. But for a 50 dollar toaster in a clean sealed box..it wont happpen, for a 120 dollar vacuum in a perfectly nice clean sealed box...they are not ripping it open.

you obviously have never spent a day working in retail if you think every sealed package is opened.

Heck in pharmacy chains there are people who buy expensive vitamins, empty it out,(replace cheap aspirin tabs inside with cotton) seal it nicely, return a pristine box...with a current receipt...it gets returned to the shelf. You think anyone is ripping the box open to check. No the worker isnt lazy...its just that it cant be sold ripped open.

Your correct I have never had to work in retail, Thank god. WM may have different policy's depending on the community or how often such shenanigans occur at that location, Vegas They check. Target actually uses forensics for this kind of stuff(obviously not for a $20 bender.)

I have taken clean, taped, sealed, even shrink warped Items back to Walmart, $12 items. They open it up and check it. Recently they did this with a$30 prefect sealed box of mainstays set of dishes, The girl opened the box and counted each dish and made sure they matched the picture.

They don't put everything back on the shelf's sometimes they send it back the the manufactures. If its clear packaging like a lot of things are they usually just look and match the serial numbers if it has them. I'm not saying it dose not ever happen. They were scammed on about 10 I pads a few years ago, that's not many compared to the amount sold. I'm saying its not as easy or often as you think or people would be making a fortune doing this. There are probably 10 or more WM just in Vegas.

We don't know how them used items on the the shelf's. People may bring in an old item get a sticker and swap the items and replace the sticker. Could be a situation where someone knows the person that's supposed to check,inside job

Again I'm not saying it never happens. I think its the employees not doing a proper job.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
petroglyph
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November 29th, 2013 at 1:29:10 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

It's capitalism at it's finest. How can you say differently.




Maybe capitalism as described by Marx.

You can't have capitalism without respect for the time value of money.

There is no reason for banks to loan money to employ capitol into existence when the Fed pays the tbtf banks interest to leave it in reserve.

The federal reserve is printing [digital] the "money" to buy 50-70% of the T-bills issued weekly, currently around 85 billion per month. Capitalism would allow deflation and the price of equities and real estate to drop to where someone would buy. As it stands now the Chinese aren't buying anymore treasury's. They were our biggest customer, in essence lending us 3 trillion.

Our gov. is only collecting 30% in revenue for every dollar they spend, the rest is printed. That again, is not capitalism.
wroberson
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November 29th, 2013 at 1:52:26 AM permalink
I'm standing line to get into Walmart as I type. The line is so long, I may not get through the door until Christmas Eve a feed minutes before closing.

Glad you got the AC Bob.
Buffering...
AxelWolf
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November 29th, 2013 at 2:15:41 AM permalink
Quote: wroberson

I'm standing line to get into Walmart as I type. The line is so long, I may not get through the door until Christmas Eve a feed minutes before closing.

Glad you got the AC Bob.

Can you get me a laptop? and I'm Very Serious. I will paypal or send a money order or whatever. Ill kick you a few bucks for the effort.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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