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LarryS
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November 30th, 2013 at 1:58:32 PM permalink
Even if Walmart would be forced to raise their prices by our govt....theystill have an ability over the mom and pop stores.....the ability to spend millions on advertising.

They can advertise advertise advertise, they can provide coupons in weekly ads for limited time price reductions(just like smaler busiensses can do), plus they have the convenience of everything under one roof...which the mom and pops cant get close to.

So the people who want govt to step in...what is the govt supposed to do to put walmart on closer fotting with mom and pop

reduce their selction/convenience?
stop tv advertison?
limit newspaper and magazine advertising?
order consumers to buy at the mom and pop store.?

Is the govt supposed to subsizide the mom and pops with money for advertising?

walmarts advantage is not strictly pricing
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November 30th, 2013 at 2:08:35 PM permalink
So Walmart comes to a small community and sells milk for 50 cents cheaper than Mom and Pop.

People shop at Walmart for milk.

Mom and Pop goes out of business.

A year later Walmart can charge even more than Mom and Pop did, because of no competitor.

Sure, it may not work that way, but it could, and as Casinoboss once answered in his thread on why they do some business the way they do: "Because we can."


Although, I think big companies become less relevant with the Internet. Except for items like milk which are perishable.
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LarryS
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November 30th, 2013 at 2:09:07 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Walmart and stores like it are the natural progression
of commerce in a capitalistic society. In the 60's malls
started to appear, all the main street shops under one
roof. Then the ability to transport goods improved, and
you got a lot of the smaller shops goods in a store
like Walmart. I remember those days before malls.
Shopping was a pain in the ass, it was an all day job.
Now it's a one stop job.




Correct. The malls, especially the indoor ones started to drive main street USA out of business. Not because they were cheaper...but because they were convenient. You could shop in a sleet storm,/ rain storm in the warm confines of a mall,...very convenient...and even grab a slice of pizza or a coffee. The rents were sky high so the pricing was not a bargain....but convenience rulled the day. People were willing to drive a little farther from main street and even paya little more for the convenience of big selections all under one roof.

So walmart comes along and offers the convenience AND good prices and massive advertisiing...and all of a sudden people cry foul....they want govt intervention
LarryS
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November 30th, 2013 at 2:12:57 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

So Walmart comes to a small community and sells milk for 50 cents cheaper than Mom and Pop.

People shop at Walmart for milk.

Mom and Pop goes out of business.

A year later Walmart can charge even more than Mom and Pop did, because of no competitor.

Sure, it may not work that way, but it could, and as Casinoboss once answered in his thread on why they do some business the way they do: "Because we can."


Although, I think big companies become less relevant with the Internet. Except for items like milk which are perishable.




well if people abandon mom and pop and go out of their wayy to pay fifty cents less for milk....then they put themselves in that position when mom and pop goes away.
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November 30th, 2013 at 2:56:08 PM permalink
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Quote: rxwine

A company like Walmart could undercut virtually any small store by simply selling products at a loss until the small company goes out of business...That has no advantage to a consumer at all.

What a s2pid thing to say.

"Selling products at a loss" (for whatever period of time) is "no advantage to a consumer at all"?!?!?! *facepalm*

Its a big advantage to Wal-Mart and its customers in the short term ...If they keep the low prices. I have found that WM dose keep low prices on most things overall, not always, but I dont want to run to 15 diffrent places. Is WM better for America as a hole in the long run? Im not sure. People complain about product quality and poor service. I agree WM is full of idiot's that could not get a job anywhere else. Some products have went down in quality, but not just at WM. Someone pointed out, that its not WM fault, its our fault for buying that crap and allowing china and other places make our stuff . Not evrything is of lesser quality at walmart they have the same name brand shit, like Apple products.
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EvenBob
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November 30th, 2013 at 4:32:11 PM permalink
Product quality? What's wrong with Walmart quality.
They sell the same name brands as everybody else.
And the stuff that has the Walmart name on it, like
canned goods, or cheese or anything you name, is
packed for them by a name brand company. I know
for a fact Kraft does a lot of the Walmart cheese
products and DelMonte does a lot of their canned
vegetables. Same product, different cans. When I
worked in a cookie factory 45 years ago, we made
cookies for 6 different companies. Sunshine, Keebler,
Nabisco. Same cookies went in every package. We
had our own brand that was cheaper by far, but
people bought Keebler because they think it's better.
It's the exact same product.
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LarryS
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November 30th, 2013 at 4:49:56 PM permalink
I get a kick out of people that think they discovered the concept that when there is less competition then prices can rise.

They think the american poulation is too stupid to comprehend this fact of life and definately too stupid to anticpate it as a possibility.

thats where I guess govt has to come in and protect us from milk going up in price when the competition closes down.
LarryS
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November 30th, 2013 at 4:57:15 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Product quality? What's wrong with Walmart quality.
They sell the same name brands as everybody else.
And the stuff that has the Walmart name on it, like
canned goods, or cheese or anything you name, is
packed for them by a name brand company. I know
for a fact Kraft does a lot of the Walmart cheese
products and DelMonte does a lot of their canned
vegetables. Same product, different cans. When I
worked in a cookie factory 45 years ago, we made
cookies for 6 different companies. Sunshine, Keebler,
Nabisco. Same cookies went in every package. We
had our own brand that was cheaper by far, but
people bought Keebler because they think it's better.
It's the exact same product.



I dont think people are talking about the name brand products,

For example I rently bought a 50 dollar microwave made in mexico from walmart. Compared to name brands, I know its a piece of crap. But I dont have a family to feed. It gets used minimallym just to heat atudd up for 5 minutes or less.....and it may blow out in a year or 2....and if it does it will be fine with me.
Their unassembled furniture made overseas is poor quality as well, but for some can do the trick for some people. Losey quality...wont last long, but people know this going in. I dont buy clothes from there but I suppose there are some made overseas that might last as long as well...non name brands.

SO I cannot say accross the board the quality of ALL their iitems is the same as national brands.
rxwine
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November 30th, 2013 at 5:01:36 PM permalink
Quote: LarryS

I get a kick out of people that think they discovered the concept that when there is less competition then prices can rise.

They think the american poulation is too stupid to comprehend this fact of life and definately too stupid to anticpate it as a possibility.

thats where I guess govt has to come in and protect us from milk going up in price when the competition closes down.



Government regulation is good for business




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November 30th, 2013 at 5:54:55 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

So Walmart comes to a small community and sells milk for 50 cents cheaper than Mom and Pop.

People shop at Walmart for milk.

Mom and Pop goes out of business.

A year later Walmart can charge even more than Mom and Pop did, because of no competitor.


Another s2pid argument. You must be taking lessons from s2dbaker or something.

Give me one example of something like that happening. Oh wait. You mean you can't?

In fact, Walmart often puts small businesses under pressure because they sell products LOWER than they do. And, like it or not, that's a benefit to the consumer.

So keep going. Your 'epic fail' streak continues...
Fighting BS one post at a time!

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