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November 28th, 2013 at 8:18:06 PM permalink
Quote: petroglyph

I wasn't sure if it was sarcasm or not?

For a while there he was posting tips for advantage plays at WM with the return after using suggestions so when the second post came out I thought he might go into how the Walton family [5] members has more wealth than the bottom 40% of Americans combined.

Then I was afraid that he might say something about the two garment factories in Bangladesh burning to death over 1400 worker's with the fire doors locked and kids chained to their work stations. I'm sure glad he didn't go there, and instead brought up the low prices for crappy products.

He almost said something about 85% of WM workers on federal aid because of the low prices that put the neighborhood stores out of business who were paying decent wages and workers having to pay their own way.

I bet he didn't know that WM workers in other countries are unionized though? That would irritate some I'm sure. I like the part where he says no one complained when all the local store owners went out of business when chain stores started carrying similar products. I think it may have occurred that many were complaining but really no one was listening. Similar to that old argument about "I didn't complain when they came for the trade unionists" thing.

So I wasn't really sure if he was being facetious or not? But if he really was glad someone didn't bash WM, I don't particularly like them and avoid them like the plague. It's just part of the wealth extraction model going on as my country devolves into a third world status, but at least there are cheap clothes at Walmart.



Perfect, petro. Thanks for putting this out there. It doesn't stop with competing with store owners, though. As mickeycrimm noted, they are famous for subsidizing the price of things in a new store by charging more in established stores and leveraging the price through volume until everyone else is bankrupted out, and then raising the prices back up.

They are also famous for driving great manufacturers out of business; long story there, but they make a volume commitment, have the manufacturer turn down any other sales in order to fill their orders, then refuse to pay the price they negotiated. They're full of ugly tricks on the supply side, just quieter about it.

Sam was all about Buy American, bring great products to the rural areas with volume discounts. It has become so corrupted from his concept, with them driving American manufacturing overseas or out of business, he must be spinning in his grave.
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November 28th, 2013 at 8:22:18 PM permalink
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he must be spinning in his grave.

and Thinking dam why didn't I think of that
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November 28th, 2013 at 8:28:42 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs



They are also famous for driving great manufacturers out of business



A concept they certainly didn't invent. John Rockefeller became
the richest man in the world by putting his competition out of
business, god rest his soul. I love Walmart, though I don't love
the stores. I love shopping online, I love their prices, I love
their policies.
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November 28th, 2013 at 8:37:24 PM permalink
Thanks Babs,

I read a book a couple years ago, It was called "Deer hunting with Jesus" By Joe Bageant it was an enjoyable read.

One of the chapters was about what WM did to Rubbermaid, who manufactured from down around your country. The book wasn't about hunting at all it was more about labor.

Family's around Virginia [I know that's not Florida] had worked for the Rubbermaid factory [for generations] and although not big wages they were middle class worker's until like you said demands from WM pushed manufacturing overseas.

Does anyone remember how good Rubbermaid products used to be? They were great, replaced with plastic crap, which is now about the same price.
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November 28th, 2013 at 8:44:56 PM permalink
Quote: petroglyph

Thanks Babs,

I read a book a couple years ago, It was called "Deer hunting with Jesus" By Joe Bageant it was an enjoyable read.

One of the chapters was about what WM did to Rubbermaid, who manufactured from down around your country. The book wasn't about hunting at all it was more about labor.

Family's around Virginia [I know that's not Florida] had worked for the Rubbermaid factory [for generations] and although not big wages they were middle class worker's until like you said demands from WM pushed manufacturing overseas.

Does anyone remember how good Rubbermaid products used to be? They were great, replaced with plastic crap, which is now about the same price.



The Rubbermaid story was one specific example I was referring to. They ruined that company, as you said. Then took the name with the quality reputation and glued it onto cheap plastic crap that cost 1/50th to make and lasted 1/50th as long. I still have Rubbermaid kitchen items from 40 years ago that work just as well as ever.
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November 28th, 2013 at 8:47:53 PM permalink
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FYI, You must show ID when you return things at Walmart with no sales slip, unless its under $10 max is $100, it gets logged in the computer and you get flagged. You can only return 3 times in 9 months with no sales slip. If its over $10 You wont get cash back you only get a gift card (some are slightly different).



believe me, the people who use items and then return them have receipts.

and there is no way to trace a perfectly sealed appliance box to figure out who returned it when someone buys it and finds a used item in it.

different family members can return appliances...different dresses...

yes they have some sort of controls in place....but still it doesnt deter the people who know how to use the system

and we all pay for it
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November 28th, 2013 at 9:10:10 PM permalink
Quote: LarryS

believe me, the people who use items and then return them have receipts.

and there is no way to trace a perfectly sealed appliance box to figure out who returned it when someone buys it and finds a used item in it.

different family members can return appliances...different dresses...

yes they have some sort of controls in place....but still it doesnt deter the people who know how to use the system

and we all pay for it

Since when dose Walmart have a 2 year return policy?
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November 28th, 2013 at 9:13:22 PM permalink
Quote: s2dbaker

This is a joke, right? I get it! You say that it's nice to see a thread where no one mentions all the crappy stuff that WalMart does and then you itemize all the crappy stuff that WalMart does by preemptively defending it.


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November 28th, 2013 at 9:17:03 PM permalink
Keep digging LarryS, keep digging.
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November 28th, 2013 at 9:20:00 PM permalink
Quote: s2dbaker

This is a joke, right? I get it! You say that it's nice to see a thread where no one mentions all the crappy stuff that WalMart does and then you itemize all the crappy stuff that WalMart does by preemptively defending it.

I couldn't have done it better myself. Well played LarryS, well played.





didnt mention any "crappy stuff"

Before supermarkers there were grocery stores. Ony had groceries mostly canned goods, some mass produced bread and cakes, the deli was some oscar meyer prepackaged cold cuts.
If you wanted fresh baked goods you went to a bakers, you wanted freshly ground beef you went to a butcher, slice deli..at the deli...and vegies and fruit at the fruit stands(although the grocery stored had some limited amounts of fruits and veggies)

When supermarkets provided all those items under one roof at a good price...those individualstores went out of business.
They went out of business not because of the supermarkets...it was because WE THE CONSUMER decided to walk away and forgoe the individual attention we got at the butcher and bakery....in exchange for convenience and better price. We were even willing to sacrifice some quality in favor of convenience and better pricing.
If the consumers cared about the buther and the baker they would have stayed with them thru thick and thin. But they didnt. So these same people cannot complain when walmart does the exact same thing.

Now the supermarkets are in the same position as the old butcher and baker. They are the hunted instead of the hunter

And the consumer is again voting with their purse. They are forgoing the smaller supermarkets, for the impersonal warehouse big box stores and impersonal internet shopping.....again for convnience and price

In the end people in the old days knew their butcher by name, new the family, trusted the guy...but when presented with conveneince and better pricing..they waived goodbye. Even if they didnt get the exact same great cuts of meat elsewhere....convenience and pricing rule as long as the quality is good enough for them.

So really walmart has only done what supermarkets did in the 70's and 80'....except walmart is doing it better. And for this they get slammed.

The consumer majority has spoken with their wallets..... Walmart like the supermarkets just offered the products and the convenience...and the public decides the rest.

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