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January 1st, 2020 at 12:30:50 PM permalink
I do work for Walmart through my company in a subcontractor type of way for another company. What I mean is a national company that provides a service on a national level to all the Walmart stores contracts with various people in various States. I handle one state for them and that company that gives us the work for Walmart always charges 10% of whatever our bill is to their client which is people like Walmart or Federal Express or other either National or Statewide companies.

Walmart is so big and gives this client of mine so much business they negotiated a reduction to two and a half percent instead of the 10% charge on top of our bill or any other contractors invoice to Walmart. There's an example how Walmart gets prices down
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January 1st, 2020 at 1:37:07 PM permalink
Quote: Eggharbor

I do work for Walmart through my company in a subcontractor type of way for another company. What I mean is a national company that provides a service on a national level to all the Walmart stores contracts with various people in various States. I handle one state for them and that company that gives us the work for Walmart always charges 10% of whatever our bill is to their client which is people like Walmart or Federal Express or other either National or Statewide companies.

Walmart is so big and gives this client of mine so much business they negotiated a reduction to two and a half percent instead of the 10% charge on top of our bill or any other contractors invoice to Walmart. There's an example how Walmart gets prices down



They get their prices down by driving a hard bargain?

This is news?

That is business.
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January 1st, 2020 at 2:09:19 PM permalink
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They get their prices down by driving a hard bargain?

This is news?

That is business.



Yes, that is good business and every business should be trying to emulate that.
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January 1st, 2020 at 4:02:13 PM permalink
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Yes, that is good business and every business should be trying to emulate that.



Exactly. Why would someone even post that a business drove a hard bargain and say, "that is how they keep prices low" thinking it is unusual?

WMT is amazing in squeezing efficiency. The Feds should just contract out to them to supply cities after a disaster instead of FEMA figuring it out.
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January 2nd, 2020 at 1:04:25 AM permalink
The fact that most of them are open 24 hours a day is really convenient. I still try to avoid them if possible.
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January 2nd, 2020 at 1:31:02 AM permalink
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The fact that most of them are open 24 hours a day is really convenient. I still try to avoid them if possible.

Most of them are no longer open 24 hours here in Vegas(even the busiest ones). I was told the reason was because of excessive theft and major problems between those hard morning hours.

I like Walmart because of the selection price convenience. Lines get ridiculous sometimes but they seem like a fairly fast. Unfortunately, it's rare to find anybody knowledgeable about anything, so you pretty much have to do your research before you go if you're buying Electronics, tools or anything like that.
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I've been sucking up rocks, dirt, big leaves, pine cones ,pine needles, sludge, water and a bunch of other stuff and it has not once got clogged. I went to suck up about 60 gallons of water when I went to put the hoes in and waited a few seconds I thought for sure I got clogged or something because it stopped so quick. I took it apart to see what was wrong and to my surprise it stopped because it was filled to capacity..




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January 2nd, 2020 at 1:36:31 AM permalink
My shop vac or whatever the non shop vac brand I actually have is can do more than the last one I had too even though it looks smaller. Mine hasn't been though heavy duty outdoor use, but between dust, fur, pellets, poop and hay it's been through a lot with our pets. I reuse the same air filter and just clean it off cause there's no way I'm gonna be dropping $20 or more on a new filter every few weeks.
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January 2nd, 2020 at 3:14:26 AM permalink
Quote: Minty

My shop vac or whatever the non shop vac brand I actually have is can do more than the last one I had too even though it looks smaller. Mine hasn't been though heavy duty outdoor use, but between dust, fur, pellets, poop and hay it's been through a lot with our pets. I reuse the same air filter and just clean it off cause there's no way I'm gonna be dropping $20 or more on a new filter every few weeks.

Air filters are for p_____s 😀.

Then again, that could explain why my last one stopped working.

Actually no, the Rubber seal dried up and came out. I was just going to replace it but I couldn't find that gasket and it seems like a pain in the ass to replace and get it in perfectly. It turns on but it has no pressure to suck anything up.I'm fairly certain it will still work as a portable leaf blower. I'm not sure if I'm going to keep it, or just toss it in the trash. There's got to be something I can do with it or use it for but my garage is full enough as it is..

Maybe I can clean it up good and do the old Switcheroo exchange at Walmart and hope Bob actually buys it. 😁
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January 2nd, 2020 at 4:07:38 AM permalink
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The fact that most of them are open 24 hours a day is really convenient. I still try to avoid them if possible.



You try to avoid convenient places? Or just at night?
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January 2nd, 2020 at 4:32:05 AM permalink
When my daughter was in college, she did volunteer work for Habitat for Humanity. In the towns she worked, the story was always the same.

Walmart came in, put all the stores out of business, destroyed the center of town, and anyone still lucky enough to have a job, was working for Walmart at minimum wage.

Today, it is worse. Sixty percent of those jobs are now part-time, so Walmart can avoid paying for medical insurance, while they finance the Chinese war machine.

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January 2nd, 2020 at 5:02:00 AM permalink
Quote: Tanko

When my daughter was in college, she did volunteer work for Habitat for Humanity. In the towns she worked, the story was always the same.

Walmart came in, put all the stores out of business, destroyed the center of town, and anyone still lucky enough to have a job, was working for Walmart at minimum wage.

Today, it is worse. Sixty percent of those jobs are now part-time, so Walmart can avoid paying for medical insurance, while they finance the Chinese war machine.



You act as all those businesses in town were paying high wages with benefits. I guarantee they were not.

I have to wonder why you are not upset about all those greedy businesses in town who were charging artificially high prices? Isn't it better when the population can get what they need for lower prices? What about all the "food deserts" we hear about? WMT brings a better selection of fresh food than those little stores ever hoped to have.

And what WMT is paying MW? The ones here start several dollars above the minimum. Maybe in states with a higher MW than federal, but I doubt it. WMT needs to attract many workers. Paying MW will not attract them.

Would you feel better if it was a Target that "ran everyone else out of business?"

WMT is an American success story that should be emulated.
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January 2nd, 2020 at 5:57:58 AM permalink
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You act as all those businesses in town were paying high wages with benefits. I guarantee they were not.

I have to wonder why you are not upset about all those greedy businesses in town who were charging artificially high prices? Isn't it better when the population can get what they need for lower prices? What about all the "food deserts" we hear about? WMT brings a better selection of fresh food than those little stores ever hoped to have.

And what WMT is paying MW? The ones here start several dollars above the minimum. Maybe in states with a higher MW than federal, but I doubt it. WMT needs to attract many workers. Paying MW will not attract them.

Would you feel better if it was a Target that "ran everyone else out of business?"

WMT is an American success story that should be emulated.

Their Bakery section has a decent variety, however, it's pretty much all generic stuff that doesn't taste all that great.

They're hot food selection is absolutely horrible. But everything else is just fine. And one shouldn't balk at Walmart steaks because they're actually really good. I just wish they actually had a butcher shop. I went to Sprouts the other day and got some filet mignon and it was absolutely horrible. I swear they piece together a bunch of straps because it came apart in four different sections and it was super gristly. It was so bad I just threw it out. Every time I get a T-Bone from Walmart, it's always excellent and I believe they actually have a hundred percent satisfaction money-back guarantee under steak and possibly Seafood.
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January 2nd, 2020 at 6:04:49 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Their Bakery section has a decent variety, however, it's pretty much all generic stuff that doesn't taste all that great.

They're hot food selection is absolutely horrible. But everything else is just fine. And one shouldn't balk at Walmart steaks because they're actually really good. I just wish they actually had a butcher shop. I went to Sprouts the other day and got some filet mignon and it was absolutely horrible. I swear they piece together a bunch of straps because it came apart in four different sections and it was super gristly. It was so bad I just threw it out. Every time I get a T-Bone from Walmart, it's always excellent and I believe they actually have a hundred percent satisfaction money-back guarantee under steak and possibly Seafood.



Mostly agree on bakery though I got hooked on their snickerdoodle cookies last year. As addictive as Blue Sky Meth they were. But it passed.

They used to have butchers but the trend in grocery store meat for decades is push the production back to the factory. I worked grocery in the late 80s and the meat guys even then said how they did less and less. How few “butchers” could take a side of beef apart even then.

I always buy ground meat at WMT. Nice loose texture gives good results.
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January 2nd, 2020 at 12:43:24 PM permalink
The biggest problem I have with Walmart
is they don't keep their shelves well
stocked, they are always out of so many
items. They order just enough to meet
projected demand. So now I just order
most of it online, and even there they
constantly are out of stock sometimes.

This is how much groceries cost in Barrow,
AK. Why would you live there on purpose?
$11 for a jar of peanut butter?

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January 2nd, 2020 at 12:52:11 PM permalink
Biggest issues I have with Walmart is:
1) the parking lots. Carts all over the place and no one wrangles them up. Are customers really incapable of pushing their cart another 10 yards into a corral? I guess the term “Walmart people” comes from somewhere.
2) Being forced to be my own cashier.
3) Receipt checkers at exits, treat everyone like a criminal. Go f- yourself. You can pay someone to pull that bull but not to corral carts or hire more than one cashier per shift.
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January 2nd, 2020 at 1:13:00 PM permalink
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3) Receipt checkers at exits,



At my store they only check a
receipt if an item isn't bagged.
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January 2nd, 2020 at 1:16:59 PM permalink
They’re not checking mine anyway I just ignore them. Just walked from checkout, not consenting to that bs
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January 2nd, 2020 at 1:22:22 PM permalink
Quote: mcallister3200

Biggest issues I have with Walmart is:
1) the parking lots. Carts all over the place and no one wrangles them up. Are customers really incapable of pushing their cart another 10 yards into a corral? I guess the term “Walmart people” comes from somewhere.
2) Being forced to be my own cashier.
3) Receipt checkers at exits, treat everyone like a criminal. Go f- yourself. You can pay someone to pull that bull but not to corral carts or hire more than one cashier per shift.



I’m faster than 90% of their cashiers. Self checkout makes wmt bearable.

Carts not a problem in my location

Never had a big issue with the receipt checkers. I buy little at a time though.
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January 2nd, 2020 at 2:19:54 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

The biggest problem I have with Walmart
is they don't keep their shelves well
stocked, they are always out of so many
items. They order just enough to meet
projected demand. So now I just order
most of it online, and even there they
constantly are out of stock sometimes.

This is how much groceries cost in Barrow,
AK. Why would you live there on purpose?
$11 for a jar of peanut butter?



I had a friend that took a job in Barrow right out of college being a school teacher. If I remember correctly he was offered a salary of $60k a year and that was in the 1980's. His housing may also have been paid for. I believe his contract was for three years and when he left he had enough money to buy a home in Ohio. Not bad for a 25yo kid to have a paid off house.
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January 2nd, 2020 at 4:28:44 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

I had a friend that took a job in Barrow right out of college being a school teacher. If I remember correctly he was offered a salary of $60k a year and that was in the 1980's. His housing may also have been paid for. I believe his contract was for three years and when he left he had enough money to buy a home in Ohio. Not bad for a 25yo kid to have a paid off house.


There was a time in the 70’s and 80’s where teachers got insane contracts.

A big part of the reason teachers make so little now is that districts are scrambling to pay pensions.

Both my parents became teachers in the 70’s and along with making some good financial decisions along the way, are now stupidly wealthy in retirement for having been public school teachers.
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January 2nd, 2020 at 4:32:36 PM permalink
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There was a time in the 70’s and 80’s where teachers got insane contracts.

A big part of the reason teachers make so little now is that districts are scrambling to pay pensions.

Both my parents became teachers in the 70’s and along with making some good financial decisions along the way, are now stupidly wealthy in retirement for having been public school teachers.



Make so little? Most are paid very well in most places I have seen. It can take a few years, but so do most jobs.
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January 2nd, 2020 at 7:22:09 PM permalink
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Make so little? Most are paid very well in most places I have seen. It can take a few years, but so do most jobs.



That is my understanding too. I have a niece that is a teacher in Chicago with about 10 years experience and some advanced testing. I would guess she makes about $60k which isn't bad for a 30 year old.

My father retired at 48 years old from teaching and gets a full salary pension equal to his last year salary plus some adjustments. He has collected that for the last 36 years.
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January 2nd, 2020 at 9:08:16 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Make so little? Most are paid very well



I knew a Kindergarten teacher 30 years
ago who was making $55K and working
9 months a year. She was always complaining
about being broke. She always had a new
car, took hugely expensive vacations in
the summer, and ate out 7 days a week
or had food delivered. Her kitchen
was never used, she kept shoes in the
oven and the stove was covered in books.
She lived way above her means.

She bought a new Cadillac in the 80's
and when the oil light came on she
ignored it and burnt up the engine.
She was a real piece of work. Couldn't
stand kids, yet she was a kid teacher.
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January 3rd, 2020 at 12:34:20 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I knew a Kindergarten teacher 30 years
ago who was making $55K and working
9 months a year. She was always complaining
about being broke. She always had a new
car, took hugely expensive vacations in
the summer, and ate out 7 days a week
or had food delivered. Her kitchen
was never used, she kept shoes in the
oven and the stove was covered in books.
She lived way above her means.

She bought a new Cadillac in the 80's
and when the oil light came on she
ignored it and burnt up the engine.
She was a real piece of work. Couldn't
stand kids, yet she was a kid teacher.



That's awful. I honestly believe people need to be taught some kind of financial literacy. It's not like the resources aren't out there, but even a class or two in high school would do wonders.
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January 3rd, 2020 at 12:34:20 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I knew a Kindergarten teacher 30 years
ago who was making $55K and working
9 months a year. She was always complaining
about being broke. She always had a new
car, took hugely expensive vacations in
the summer, and ate out 7 days a week
or had food delivered. Her kitchen
was never used, she kept shoes in the
oven and the stove was covered in books.
She lived way above her means.

She bought a new Cadillac in the 80's
and when the oil light came on she
ignored it and burnt up the engine.
She was a real piece of work. Couldn't
stand kids, yet she was a kid teacher.



That's awful. I honestly believe people need to be taught some kind of financial literacy. It's not like the resources aren't out there, but even a class or two in high school would do wonders.
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January 3rd, 2020 at 5:00:53 AM permalink
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That's awful. I honestly believe people need to be taught some kind of financial literacy. It's not like the resources aren't out there, but even a class or two in high school would do wonders.



If I had my way we would only teach Algebra II to STEM bound and teach the rest some real consumer and business math. I do not mean the "Consumer Math" of my day which was warehousing for burnouts. I mean by the time they come out they could calculate compound interest (P+I)^T and do a semi-complex 1040 form by hand.

Sadly the teacher above would not benefit. Sounds like she was raised a "princess" and never learned about the value of money. Some people are like this and even admit it. The men blow it on cars and big stuff, the women on scads of smaller stuff. I just had a training class a woman taught. Nice woman. Smart. Knew her job. But told the class how her credit was strained because of all she bought.

Now, this woman is about 53! By that age you gotta be getting near debt free for life. I just SMH and think how my 1st will be paid in months and my place produces revenue from the 2nd unit. All while I hear of what people are dropping on stupid crap.
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January 3rd, 2020 at 5:49:32 AM permalink
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Make so little? Most are paid very well in most places I have seen. It can take a few years, but so do most jobs.

It must be the school/district you are teaching in. When I married Mrs. Joeman in 2012, she had been teaching for 8 years. I was appalled to find out how little she was making. In what other occupation can you have a master's degree, get a job in your field, and not even sniff $40k/year after 8 years of service?

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January 3rd, 2020 at 6:55:39 AM permalink
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Make so little? Most are paid very well in most places I have seen. It can take a few years, but so do most jobs.


It varies bigly by district.

Somewhere in the range of $35k is a typical starting salary for teachers in many areas.

Considering you usually need to have a masters degree or be enrolled in a masters program, it’s pretty far below average compared to other professions.

Being able to work a part time job during the summer offsets it a little bit, but not by much.
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January 3rd, 2020 at 7:19:15 AM permalink
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It varies bigly by district.

Somewhere in the range of $35k is a typical starting salary for teachers in many areas.

Considering you usually need to have a masters degree or be enrolled in a masters program, it’s pretty far below average compared to other professions.

Being able to work a part time job during the summer offsets it a little bit, but not by much.



I think very few public school districts require a Master's for a starting teacher. The advanced education is encouraged while you are working and generally the pay will go up as you take more education classes.
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January 3rd, 2020 at 9:07:59 AM permalink
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That is my understanding too. I have a niece that is a teacher in Chicago with about 10 years experience and some advanced testing. I would guess she makes about $60k which isn't bad for a 30 year old.

My father retired at 48 years old from teaching and gets a full salary pension equal to his last year salary plus some adjustments. He has collected that for the last 36 years.



Chicago is not representative of teacher salaries across the country. Most states are terrible. I would consider teaching in Illinois for the pay because it's likely the best in the Midwest, but definitely not Missouri. It mainly boils down to topics we are no longer supposed to discuss here that largely determine teachers' pay.

A teacher that started in when I was in HS. She has 23 years experience with a master's degree. She teaches calculus, physics, and AP physics. She is currently making $65,750. Bleh.
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January 3rd, 2020 at 9:40:43 AM permalink
A few years ago, my friend looked into teaching positions in Vegas. He had ten years in the NYC school system and had qualified for his pension. A head hunter recruited him with the promise he would retain his senior teaching position and the salary increases that go with it. It was for a year round position and the salary was half what he made in NY. Same in Phoenix and Santa Fe. He ended up taking a year off and teaching dependents on an Army base in Japan.
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January 3rd, 2020 at 10:56:24 AM permalink
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A teacher that started in when I was in HS. She has 23 years experience with a master's degree. She teaches calculus, physics, and AP physics. She is currently making $65,750. Bleh.



I am not saying they are getting rich. I think $65k is a fair wage for most people. If she was married to another teacher they would be around $130k. A very good income for a couple.
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January 3rd, 2020 at 1:22:13 PM permalink
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It must be the school/district you are teaching in. When I married Mrs. Joeman in 2012, she had been teaching for 8 years. I was appalled to find out how little she was making. In what other occupation can you have a master's degree, get a job in your field, and not even sniff $40k/year after 8 years of service?



Since a teacher only works 9 months a year you cannot compare it direct to year round jobs.

Cry me a river if you like but if the pay is so low why would someone take a Masters Degree with such a low pay ceiling?
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February 28th, 2020 at 10:31:25 PM permalink
Speaking of Walmart and it's competition with Amazon, the figures are in. Amazon spent 11 billion dollars last year just on shipping. They offer Amazon Prime 2 day delivery in 10 countries now. India, Japan, France, Germany, the UK, among others. They say they're losing money and will for quite a while. Just like Jeff Bezos did when he started Amazon, it made no profit for at least a decade.

I had Amazon deliveries 4 days this week so far, got one tomorrow and got an Amazon Pantry on Monday. Amazon pantry is amazing. You spend $35 and buy 15 items you get 15% off. For grocery items that's a huge discount. When I have a delivery coming, when it's 10 stops away they alert me and a map pops up that shows where the truck is. And it's always right in my neighborhood I mean two or three streets away, that's how many people order from Amazon. Now imagine this in crowded countries India and Japan. It's mind-boggling.

I've read the people were just as amazed after the Civil War when Sears Roebuck started sending these huge catalogs to everybody's house and you could order something and have it delivered. But you pay the delivery fee, it wasn't free. And it was the opposite of fast. But you got it eventually, that's what counted.
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February 28th, 2020 at 11:10:14 PM permalink
I just ordered a couple 3 packs of toothpaste and shampoo at WalMart.com because those items are not sold in stores anymore, anywhere. #CoronavirusShopping
I picked up a 200 count box of those blue Nitrile gloves and 3 boxes of Wet Wipes (individually wrapped so I can put them in my coat pocket).

I've gotten 3 dozen cans of canned goods at another store. I'm gonna have to buy a dozen 2 liter bottles of diet soda in case I have to use them for water bottles later.

I've picked up a few months supply of toilet paper & paper towels.
I bought a push cart for shopping in case my car bites the dust either because there's no gas or no car parts.
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February 29th, 2020 at 2:30:53 AM permalink
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That's awful. I honestly believe people need to be taught some kind of financial literacy. It's not like the resources aren't out there, but even a class or two in high school would do wonders.

Yeah, long time ago kids were complaining that high school did not teach them how to balance a checkbook but that they did learn that the mitochondria are the powerhouse of the cell.

A kindergarten teacher who hated kids?
Teachers become teachers for Power and Pensions, June, July and August are just "frosting".

Amazon dropped a delivery contract recently intending to use their own trucks and drivers, so this regional trucking company just told employees to leave packages and trucks wherever they were and go home, all employees are terminated.
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February 29th, 2020 at 5:18:59 AM permalink
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Yeah, long time ago kids were complaining that high school did not teach them how to balance a checkbook but that they did learn that the mitochondria are the powerhouse of the cell.

A kindergarten teacher who hated kids?
Teachers become teachers for Power and Pensions, June, July and August are just "frosting".

Amazon dropped a delivery contract recently intending to use their own trucks and drivers, so this regional trucking company just told employees to leave packages and trucks wherever they were and go home, all employees are terminated.



I was going to work a few weeks ago and saw like 10 dark full size vans at a stoplight. I thought for sure the feds had me this time. But they were not all black Econolines. They were Rams with Amazon on the side. The distribution center was just up the road. I swear when it lets out ant they are like that it looks like some movie.
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February 29th, 2020 at 8:23:56 AM permalink
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Yeah, long time ago kids were complaining that high school did not teach them how to balance a checkbook but that they did learn that the mitochondria are the powerhouse of the cell.



I learned how to balance a checkbook in 5th grade.

That was the only financial education I ever had in the public education system. No wonder so many people are broke and in debt.
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February 29th, 2020 at 10:46:46 AM permalink
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I am not saying they are getting rich. I think $65k is a fair wage for most people. If she was married to another teacher they would be around $130k. A very good income for a couple.



I believe a full time teacher in my local school district works 180 school days a year. 185 are scheduled but they build in 5 'snow' days a year. My son the computer programmer works 235 days a year. I think at $65k for those 180 days it is a great job for a couple to each have. Off July and August just has a value that is hard to quantify.
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February 29th, 2020 at 11:28:54 AM permalink
I know a few teachers... they don't just work the school days; a lot of times they're working on weekends doing whatever to get caught up or to prepare, and sometimes work for several weeks in the summer before school starts to get prepared for the upcoming year. So, a 180 day school year realistically probably equates to somewhere in the low 200's of working days, easily.

That's what I'm told, anyway. Maybe the teachers I know just like to stay busy.
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February 29th, 2020 at 11:59:56 AM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

I know a few teachers... they don't just work the school days; a lot of times they're working on weekends doing whatever to get caught up or to prepare, and sometimes work for several weeks in the summer before school starts to get prepared for the upcoming year. So, a 180 day school year realistically probably equates to somewhere in the low 200's of working days, easily.

That's what I'm told, anyway. Maybe the teachers I know just like to stay busy.



Ask your typical HS teacher how many classes they teach a day? Five 45 minute classes? Puleaseeeee if you can't get whatever prep work you need to get done in the other two or three hours a day you are not actually teaching.
By the way, I am ALL FOR teachers being well paid and having the time off. I don't begrudge them it. It's not like its a secret how well they have it. If you want to join them, get the Masters degree and join the ranks.
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February 29th, 2020 at 2:59:23 PM permalink
Can't verify accuracy - but I found it on the web. What they don't tell you about teaching High School.

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They don’t tell you that students will kill what you love.
The attitude, indifference, smug superiority, know-it-all demeanor, blatant rudeness, ego, and at times cruelty toward their peers is depressing.

That you will see and deal with family issues that are appalling. I’ve seen and heard of awful, awful things happening in student’s homes. Rape, molestation, drug abuse, a home as a drug lab, physical abuse, neglect, poverty, etc. etc. These kids bring that stuff to school with them and you have to navigate it with them while teaching.

Some students, no matter what you do or how hard you try, will hate you because of your title, “teacher.”

Many students are rude. Rude toward staff, each other, their friends, their families. Often you aren’t “allowed” to correct them on their attitude because administration feels it’s “not a teacher’s job to teach personality traits.” That, or they’re afraid of parental reprisal.

Many students are inept. You will repeat yourself more times than you can imagine. Information can be on a class website, on a board, on paper, and posted on a wall - all of it simultaneously available - and multiple students will say “What am I supposed to do?”

You can’t force a student to learn. At some point a student has to be accountable for their own learning. You can differentiate, model, come up with the coolest assignments and lessons imaginable and some kids just won’t care.

Going along with the above, you can see some student’s futures. They’re grim and miserable. You can do everything you can think of to steer them on the right path but ultimately they have to be the pilot of their own ship. It’s hard watching this happen. In spite of warnings and pleas, some kids just carry on down a dark path.

You will spend 90% of your time with kids who either a) don’t care, b) aren’t academically strong (and probably should be in a lower class), or c) are disruptive. The students who are academically strong, behave themselves, and try in class get little attention because you’re so busy dealing with the others. It’s unfortunate too because they’re the ones who would benefit most from extra attention and flourish with the opportunity to learn more.

Kids think they’re grown up but they’re more often children in nearly-adult bodies. They get scared, insecure, bratty, happy, sad, etc. etc. just like kids do. They’re just bigger.

People in the community will “hate” you because you get summers off.

You’ll be WAY busier than you think you will be.

It’s rewarding but not in the ways you think it will be. Forget every Hollywood movie that embellishes teaching. It’s not like that. I’ve seen the greatest teachers I know (honestly, outstanding at their job) universally hated by classes simply because they’re teachers. Other classes adored them. There’s no formula. It’s not always a happy ending.

You can’t say all the things you want to say to students.

You can’t say all the things you want to say to parents.

You can’t save them all. You can try. You will try. But you can’t.

The look on parents’ faces on the last day of school before summer holidays is priceless.

Kids are spoiled. They’ll act spoiled. You’ll have to deal with all sorts of issues in class and you have very little power. Some students will know you have very little power and exploit it.

School boards are terrified and they pander to the status quo to avoid issue. This leads to all sorts of problems.

Pedagogy flips and flops every 5–10 years.

School boards will implement all sorts of nonsense in an effort to inflate graduation rates. Students will be pushed through school when they absolutely don’t deserve to be. Many teachers that I know feel we are churning out a generation of kids who are performing 3 or more grade levels below where they ought to be.

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February 29th, 2020 at 3:06:39 PM permalink
Not to mention class sizes are getting larger and students have more distractions now. I don't envy teachers one bit.
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February 29th, 2020 at 5:06:53 PM permalink
One of my good friends retired after 35 years teaching at a local Catholic school.
He hit the max pay schedule after 5 years and only got token raises from then on.
He now works two days a week as a substitute for NYC and makes in two days what he made in a week at his old school.
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February 29th, 2020 at 5:17:49 PM permalink
Near autonomous AI in schools may be the thing to free teachers, so they are able to focus strictly on teaching rather than all the extraneous activity.

Example: robots can beat the tar out of the unruly student as well as any human
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February 29th, 2020 at 7:10:17 PM permalink
My neighborhood in LA was Class of 1999 in 1989.
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February 29th, 2020 at 11:23:09 PM permalink
The worst tasting food that I bought, was shrimp salad at walmart.
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March 1st, 2020 at 9:41:01 AM permalink
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Not to mention class sizes are getting larger and students have more distractions now. I don't envy teachers one bit.



Oh, please. Generations ago class sizes were far larger.

As to "prep" this is true for younger teachers. After they have taught the same course a few times there is not much prep work left. Just pull out lesson plan for Day X and get rolling.

Back in high school we had 8 periods. Teachers got 1 off for lunch and 1 "free" period. That leaves 6. Most had to do a study hall, that leaves 5. Some study halls were easy some were not. But no "prep" would ever be needed.

So down to 5, but most had more than 1 section. So they taught maybe 3 courses a semester. Prep for just 3. Again, most of which is the same thing year after year.

If the job "is not easy" then quit.
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March 1st, 2020 at 10:30:56 AM permalink
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Again, most of which is the same thing year after year.

One of the more offbeat theories in the murder of JonBenet Ramsey involved the observation that many high school males took three semesters of Mechanical Drawing expecting to be easily obtaining rather high-paying jobs as draftsmen but Access Graphics, a value-added-retailer ended that job category by marketing so many high-end graphics units and copies of a computerized design program. All those would-be draftsmen hoping for $27.00 an hour were lucky to get $8.00 an hour,yet the school system was still teaching mechanical drawing as if those jobs still existed. The teacher had tenure and did not have to change with the times.
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March 1st, 2020 at 1:12:32 PM permalink
I thought I'd look through a few sources to see if class sizes are growing or shrinking and the data seems inconclusive. Smaller class sizes provide better student achievement outcomes, that much is certain, but as to whether classes are bigger or smaller than in the past, I'm unsure. Data shows it both ways. I did just read an article in which a teacher was talking about how teachers she knew we're quitting due to large class sizes and the inability to effectively teach.

Bringing this back to Walmart, I remember reading an article about a teacher with her master's that had to Uber and I think work at Walmart to pay her bills in addition to teaching.
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