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July 14th, 2023 at 4:21:31 PM permalink
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That someone thinks getting in a car to go to a public place and sit there is beneficial says a lot about their inability to think critically.
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Only having to do it every couple of months, that's the benefit. And never having to think about it at all in between. You keep being a slave to your washer and dryer, I'll deal with it a few times a year and it's over with. Also I live in the country where we have well water that's extremely hard and it does a crappy job of washing clothes unless you add stuff to soften the water. When I go to the laundromat it's all soft water, go in, get her done, get out and don't have to go back for a couple months. Don't give me some crap about putting in a water softener I did that years ago and it's a pain in the ass, never again.
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If I only washed every couple of months my clothes would be totally disgusting. I;d have to chase my socks around the room to put them on.
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Depends on how my clothes you have. For instance I have 30 pairs of underwear and 25 white t-shirts and God knows how many socks dozens and dozens and dozens of pairs.
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I practice what I call modern minimalism. I have maybe 1/3 of that.
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You can never have too much underwear, I even have packages of underwear that have never been opened. If it is a really good sale I'll buy some and stick it away. So I actually have way more than 30 pair.
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July 14th, 2023 at 8:24:40 PM permalink
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I have a well in my back yard but I have no idea if it is functional. My home was converted to city water a long time ago way before I bought it. The nice thing about Florida is the water table is so high you only have to go down a little ways to hit water. Here it can be scary to drain your pool because it may pop out of the ground once all that water weight is removed.
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If the well turns out to be functional, you may want to use it for irrigation. It's much cheaper than using city water, even if you have a separate irrigation meter.

Where I am now, you can dig 3 feet down and hit the surface aquafer, but our irrigation well is some 40' deep.
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We do have separate irrigation water here. I pay $10 a month for unlimited irrigation water.
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July 15th, 2023 at 3:06:01 AM permalink
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the "integratron" was built in Landers, CA in 1959 by George Van Tassel, a former airplane mechanic, who claimed it was capable of rejuvenation, time travel and anti-gravity

he claimed that the instructions on how to build it were provided by visitors from the planet Venus

today, it is a tourist attraction and offers "sound baths" where groups of people are exposed to "harmonic sound frequencies"

Van Tassel was also the host of the "giant spacecraft conventions" in the 1950s to discuss UFOs by Ca's giant rock - see pic - the first one only attracted a couple of hundred people - a couple of years later there were thousands in attendance










https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integratron

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July 15th, 2023 at 4:06:11 AM permalink
Interesting.

2 months(60 days) 1 load.

25 T-shirts, 30 pair of underwear, socks (unknown) 30 pair+, pants (unknown), other shirts(unknown) towels, sheets, washcloths, kitchen towels (?)
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July 15th, 2023 at 8:07:25 AM permalink
Take my wife, please!

Can you identify the comedian associated with telling the joke.

A man has a newspaper on his seat in the subway (presumedly to possibly cover unknown substance). Another man comes near and asks, "Are you reading that?" The first man says "Yes", gets up and turns the page and sits back down again.

David Brenner


(I think he originally said park bench, now that i think about it)
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July 15th, 2023 at 8:59:00 AM permalink
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Interesting.

2 months(60 days) 1 load.

25 T-shirts, 30 pair of underwear, socks (unknown) 30 pair+, pants (unknown), other shirts(unknown) towels, sheets, washcloths, kitchen towels (?)
Misalaiouse...
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Nope. Once again you're reading skills are somewhat less than admirable. I'm not going to correct you why bother.
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July 15th, 2023 at 9:03:31 AM permalink
This is interesting. The average man in the United States changes his underwear once every 1.5 days and it breaks down to 50% change it every day and 50% change it every two or three days. Depending on the country in Europe it's about the same or worse. France is probably the most disgusting. I change my underwear every other day so 30 pairs of underwear will last me two months.
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July 15th, 2023 at 9:03:45 AM permalink
The beauty of doing laundry once a month is you can repurpose the clothes. Why use a fresh dish towel when storing your used t-shirts for the next three weeks? A previously worn pair of boxers can easily do double duty as a washcloth, and last weeks jeans can be used as a mop.
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I have used a last worn shirt as an extra towel on occasion, then throw it back to hamper. I used a sock as oven mitt.
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July 15th, 2023 at 9:37:52 AM permalink
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I have used a last worn shirt as an extra towel on occasion, then throw it back to the hamper. I used a sock as an oven mitt.
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That's the spirit. Why spring for napkins or paper towels when you have all those slightly used shirts sitting in a pile?
I am curious what a month's worth of dirty clothes smells like. Does it overpower or simply enhance the smell of the felines? Is there a particular candle that negates the locker room smell?
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July 15th, 2023 at 10:13:40 AM permalink
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I have used a last worn shirt as an extra towel on occasion, then throw it back to the hamper. I used a sock as an oven mitt.
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That's the spirit. Why spring for napkins or paper towels when you have all those slightly used shirts sitting in a pile?
I am curious what a month's worth of dirty clothes smells like. Does it overpower or simply enhance the smell of the felines? Is there a particular candle that negates the locker room smell?
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I at least, donít intentionally run out. And no, Iím not bringing up what happens when one still forgets to get the TP on the last shopping trip. But yaĎll rest of you feel free to engage.
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July 15th, 2023 at 11:05:44 AM permalink
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I am curious what a month's worth of dirty clothes smells like. Does it overpower or simply enhance the smell of the felines? Is there a particular candle that negates the locker room smell?
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I wouldn't know all my dirty laundry goes into canvas laundry bags as soon as it's dirty. There's a reason laundry bags are made out of canvas.
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July 15th, 2023 at 1:23:20 PM permalink
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I have a better picture of EBís place. Candles everywhere, 400 cats, and a mountain of clothes which he washes every 3 months. And somewhere thereís a stove on with some concoction of food leftovers combined together for the next 3 star Michelin tire meal. Oh, and a storage closet with hundreds of cans for a possible food shortage or nuclear attack.
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Must smell delightful....
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July 16th, 2023 at 10:10:59 AM permalink
Does anyone here remember the first nuclear bomb test? It was 78 years ago today at the Alamagorda testing range.

BTW, the movie Oppenheimer comes out this week. I haven't paid to see a movie at a theater since 2011 but I will be going to this one.
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July 16th, 2023 at 10:27:29 AM permalink
There was a lady in Vegas I knew, who had been there during the tests as a child. She and her family all went outside and cheered and waved little American flags when there was a test. She said all but two of them died of cancer.

She was very upbeat though, as a person.
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July 16th, 2023 at 11:01:40 AM permalink
Kenji Nakazawa is one of the most famous cartoonists in Japan. He was born in Hiroshima in 1939 and was walking to school when the bomb hit. He wrote about the aftermath in the autobiographical " I saw it" and then did a fictionalized version in a ten-volume book titled "Barefoot Gen"
I Saw It was republished in the US in the early 80s and was one of the first Japanese Manga to succeed in this country.

Nakazawa's family died when their house was incinerated, but his mom wasn't home and survived. She was expecting at the time, and the baby was born severely deformed and died soon after. His mom got cancer and died, as did most of his friends. He lived the last forty years of his life expecting to get cancer any day. He lived to a good age but did die from Lung Cancer in his early 60s.
Seeing the destruction of one's world through the eyes of a six-year-old was fascinating.
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July 16th, 2023 at 11:29:51 AM permalink
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Does anyone here remember the first nuclear bomb test? It was 78 years ago today at the Alamagorda testing range.

BTW, the movie Oppenheimer comes out this week. I haven't paid to see a movie at a theater since 2011 but I will be going to this one.
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I won't see it because Oppenheimer's one of my heroes and I know they're going to screw it up somehow. This is one review.

"Oppenheimer, a dense, talkie, tense film partly about the bomb, mostly about how doomed we are. Happy summer!"

I'm leery because Matt Damon is in it and he's about as woke as you can get. If Matt Damon is in a movie you know it's going to be preachy about something. The only movies Matt Damon made that I liked were the Bourne movies. And The Martian movie he made. That was really good.
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July 16th, 2023 at 1:26:47 PM permalink
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Does anyone here remember the first nuclear bomb test? It was 78 years ago today at the Alamagorda testing range.

BTW, the movie Oppenheimer comes out this week. I haven't paid to see a movie at a theater since 2011 but I will be going to this one.
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I saw a YT video showing every test on a map with respect to time. IOW, first few went off slow then like craze in the 60s then slow again. One thing that will strike some kinds of people is how many of the tests were the USA. Well over half and IIRC we did over 1,000 tests, Remember, that is over about 45 years and the first few years not many tests. Make you wonder how much date we needed.
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July 16th, 2023 at 1:46:18 PM permalink
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Does anyone here remember the first nuclear bomb test? It was 78 years ago today at the Alamagorda testing range.

BTW, the movie Oppenheimer comes out this week. I haven't paid to see a movie at a theater since 2011 but I will be going to this one.
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I won't see it because Oppenheimer's one of my heroes and I know they're going to screw it up somehow. This is one review.

"Oppenheimer, a dense, talkie, tense film partly about the bomb, mostly about how doomed we are. Happy summer!"

I'm leery because Matt Damon is in it and he's about as woke as you can get. If Matt Damon is in a movie you know it's going to be preachy about something. The only movies Matt Damon made that I liked were the Bourne movies. And The Martian movie he made. That was really good.
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I will be interested to see how much they explore Oppenheimers communist party affiliation.
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July 16th, 2023 at 1:46:19 PM permalink
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Does anyone here remember the first nuclear bomb test? It was 78 years ago today at the Alamagorda testing range.

BTW, the movie Oppenheimer comes out this week. I haven't paid to see a movie at a theater since 2011 but I will be going to this one.
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I won't see it because Oppenheimer's one of my heroes and I know they're going to screw it up somehow. This is one review.

"Oppenheimer, a dense, talkie, tense film partly about the bomb, mostly about how doomed we are. Happy summer!"

I'm leery because Matt Damon is in it and he's about as woke as you can get. If Matt Damon is in a movie you know it's going to be preachy about something. The only movies Matt Damon made that I liked were the Bourne movies. And The Martian movie he made. That was really good.
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I will be interested to see how much they explore Oppenheimers communist party affiliation.
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July 17th, 2023 at 5:54:30 AM permalink
No doubt 1/3 of modern human disease is going to be eventually traced to permanent press, which begin to be established in the 1950s

Quote:

The conventional cotton or cotton blend fabric is dyed;
Garments are sewn together;
Formaldehyde resins are applied to the garments;
Garments are tumble dried at a low temperature to remove moisture but not cure the formaldehyde resins and cause cross linking of formaldehyde and hydrogen atoms in the cottonís cellulose fibers;
Press the garments to create creases in the clothing were creases are wanted such as pant legs and sleeves on shirts;
Oven cure the pressed garments at a high temperature to cross link the formaldehyde and cellulose fibers to create the permanent press properties.
The postcure process is similar except that the formaldehyde resin is applied in step 2 after the fabric is dyed but before the garments are sewn together and made-up. The postcure process goes like this:

Dye cotton or cotton blend fabric;
Apply formaldehyde resin;
Tumble dry to remove moisture;
Sew and garment make-up;
Press clothing to create creases where wanted;
Oven cure to cross link and create the permanent press properties.

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July 17th, 2023 at 11:27:02 AM permalink
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No doubt 1/3 of modern human disease is going to be eventually traced to permanent press, which begin to be established in the 1950s

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If you could go 100 years into the past something else that you would notice right away besides the fact that everybody smelled bad, was that their clothes were constantly wrinkled. When you got to work your suit or your dress might have looked fine but very soon it's going to be wrinkled it's going to be wrinkled the rest of the day but nobody will notice because everybody's clothes were wrinkled. We are so used to permanent press that seeing somebody in a wrinkled shirt makes them look homeless. High level executives would keep two or three freshly ironed shirts in their office so they could change during the day to make them look like they were better than everybody else. Heavily starched clothes were very popular but very uncomfortable. And the starch didn't usually last all day.
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July 27th, 2023 at 8:50:56 AM permalink
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the Fuller Brush man - the door to door salesmen who represented the Fuller Brush Co. - used to knock on our door a couple times a year
their brushes were famous - known for their high quality - they had a lifetime guarantee
as if somebody was going to return a brush after 10 years___________(-:\
my Mom always used to buy something from the guy because she felt sorry for him

according to Wiki after WW2 they added cosmetics and had females going door to door whom they called "Fullerettes"

but only men ever came to our door



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July 27th, 2023 at 10:31:50 AM permalink
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the Fuller Brush man - the door to door salesmen who represented the Fuller Brush Co. - used to knock on our door a couple times a year
their brushes were famous - known for their high quality - they had a lifetime guarantee
as if somebody was going to return a brush after 10 years___________(-:\
my Mom always used to buy something from the guy because she felt sorry for him

according to Wiki after WW2 they added cosmetics and had females going door to door whom they called "Fullerettes"

but only men ever came to our door





Thereís a rather strange movie with Jennifer Tilly. I forget who the male character is played by, but the man plays a vacuum salesmen who kills housewives, and she is a housewife who kills vacuum cleaner salesman. I think thatís the plot. i canít remember the name of the movie.
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July 27th, 2023 at 1:52:17 PM permalink
A quick Google search suggested American strays a 1996 movie.
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July 27th, 2023 at 4:25:04 PM permalink
My cousin was a Fuller Brush salesman in the early 1970s, but I think he worked on referrals and setting up appointments more than door-to-door.
Being a door-to-door salesman in Albany would suck in the wintertime. Imagine being a milkman in those conditions.
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July 27th, 2023 at 5:36:33 PM permalink
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My cousin was a Fuller Brush salesman in the early 1970s, but I think he worked on referrals and setting up appointments more than door-to-door.
Being a door-to-door salesman in Albany would suck in the wintertime. Imagine being a milkman in those conditions.
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Fuller brush man and milkman got laid by horny housewives on a regular basis. Before the invention of the birth control pill women would get married just so they could screw around with men without worrying about getting pregnant and not having a husband. If you were halfway decent looking Fuller brush man or milkman you could almost get laid every day on your routes, there were that many horny housewives out there.
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July 27th, 2023 at 5:48:36 PM permalink
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My cousin was a Fuller Brush salesman in the early 1970s, but I think he worked on referrals and setting up appointments more than door-to-door.
Being a door-to-door salesman in Albany would suck in the wintertime. Imagine being a milkman in those conditions.
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Anything in Albany sucked in winter. Summer was not much better.
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July 27th, 2023 at 5:55:00 PM permalink
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Anything in Albany sucked in winter. Summer was not much better.



Outside of Manhattan everything in New York is terrible.
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July 28th, 2023 at 1:07:35 AM permalink
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the Fuller Brush man - the door to door salesmen who represented the Fuller Brush Co. - used to knock on our door a couple times a year
their brushes were famous - known for their high quality - they had a lifetime guarantee
as if somebody was going to return a brush after 10 years___________(-:\
my Mom always used to buy something from the guy because she felt sorry for him

according to Wiki after WW2 they added cosmetics and had females going door to door whom they called "Fullerettes"

but only men ever came to our door





Thereís a rather strange movie with Jennifer Tilly. I forget who the male character is played by, but the man plays a vacuum salesmen who kills housewives, and she is a housewife who kills vacuum cleaner salesman. I think thatís the plot. i canít remember the name of the movie.
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At first I wanted to say Bottle Rockets for some reason, but it was American Strays. fun quirky movie, I liked it.
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July 28th, 2023 at 1:49:44 AM permalink
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the Fuller Brush man - the door to door salesmen who represented the Fuller Brush Co. - used to knock on our door a couple times a year
their brushes were famous - known for their high quality - they had a lifetime guarantee
as if somebody was going to return a brush after 10 years___________(-:\
my Mom always used to buy something from the guy because she felt sorry for him

according to Wiki after WW2 they added cosmetics and had females going door to door whom they called "Fullerettes"

but only men ever came to our door




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When I was 17/18 I sold Kirby door to door for about a year before I came to Vegas, Mostly in Lewis County, Washington area, little in the Olympia area. I sold both the Legend ll and the G3 models. G3's were very impressive and a good product. A few of those months I was the 2nd and 3rd top salesman. I was really good at getting people to let me demonstrate. I didn't make much since I just discounted the hell out of them.

It was interesting, a bit crazy, and fun at times. I definitely learned not to judge a book by its cover and some other things about people. With that being said, I didn't really like it, or try that hard most of the time when it came to demonstrations and sales. I felt dirty selling people stuff on financing who couldn't really afford it. The financing rates were crazy high. The hours were long, and I drove soo many miles it was insane.

Most people actually wanted one after they saw the demonstration. I stand by the product, it's actually a great product, I even bought 2 myself and still have one.

It was everything else that was shady as hell. The sales tactics my boss used were deplorable, he wanted us to use that crap as well. my It's a big con job starting with the tactics they use roping in the salespeople and screwing them over. I saw that right from the start. I only took the job to make my dad happy and because they guaranteed you $1,500 for your first month, even if you sold nothing. They always found ways to screw everyone out of that. I only stayed because it was literally my free ticket to Vegas... more lies, they screwed me out of that. Lots of other shady stuff as well.

p.s. A No Solicitors sign on a private residents usually means I buy everything.
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Anything in Albany sucked in winter. Summer was not much better.



Outside of Manhattan everything in New York is terrible.
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You can have Manhattan.
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July 28th, 2023 at 2:56:03 AM permalink
Remember when you had a template with the commands for WordPerfect on your keyboard? Of going thru the command menus and sub-menus on Lotus 1-2-3?

As to Lotus, I still use "+" not "=" when I need to make a math formula. Excel corrects it of course, but I still use the old way. Younger gal at work was showing me something and said "=" out loud and I kind of remarked how that still sounds unusual to me.

When I first saw 1-2-3 in high school in the 80s I was amazed how neat and useful it was. Today at my office we have so many linked files it blows the mind, making that first version seem like a kid toy.
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July 28th, 2023 at 3:05:19 AM permalink
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When I was 17/18 I sold Kirby door to door for about a year before I came to Vegas, Mostly in Lewis County, Washington area, little in the Olympia area. I sold both the Legend ll and the G3 models. G3's were very impressive and a good product. A few of those months I was the 2nd and 3rd top salesman. I was really good at getting people to let me demonstrate. I didn't make much since I just discounted the hell out of them.

It was interesting, a bit crazy, and fun at times. I definitely learned not to judge a book by its cover and some other things about people. With that being said, I didn't really like it, or try that hard most of the time when it came to demonstrations and sales. I felt dirty selling people stuff on financing who couldn't really afford it. The financing rates were crazy high. The hours were long, and I drove soo many miles it was insane.

Most people actually wanted one after they saw the demonstration. I stand by the product, it's actually a great product, I even bought 2 myself and still have one.

It was everything else that was shady as hell. The sales tactics my boss used were deplorable, he wanted us to use that crap as well. my It's a big con job starting with the tactics they use roping in the salespeople and screwing them over. I saw that right from the start. I only took the job to make my dad happy and because they guaranteed you $1,500 for your first month, even if you sold nothing. They always found ways to screw everyone out of that. I only stayed because it was literally my free ticket to Vegas... more lies, they screwed me out of that. Lots of other shady stuff as well.

p.s. A No Solicitors sign on a private residents usually means I buy everything.
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sales has always been a way for guys who weren't able to get a professional position such as Accountant to make some pretty decent money

I did it for many years - it didn't always feel good about the way I had to do it - I won't say misrepresent - but let's say "shade the truth" to make a sale

I've even had a stock market guy (they really are basically salesmen) - I'm talking about a guy who was high up in a prestigious firm - give me info that I knew was basically false or highly suspect in order to retain my business

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July 29th, 2023 at 2:46:14 AM permalink
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sales has always been a way for guys who weren't able to get a professional position such as Accountant to make some pretty decent money

I did it for many years - it didn't always feel good about the way I had to do it - I won't say misrepresent - but let's say "shade the truth" to make a sale

I've even had a stock market guy (they really are basically salesmen) - I'm talking about a guy who was high up in a prestigious firm - give me info that I knew was basically false or highly suspect in order to retain my business

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Sales cab be either easy or hard depending on if you have the personality for it. Too many companies think anyone can be a success in sales. Nonsense. Salesmen are born, not made. I once stood as the only one in the class that would say they believed that. Said company pounded into your head that you could make anyone a salesman if you just trained them right. They wanted me to cut an admin woman's salary and put her on inbound sales, tell her she would "make it up on commissions." Had I done that we would have lost all credibility as we had just bought a local competitor and promised everyone to keep their jobs. To be fair I should have later fired her but they just did not see what they were doing there.

You have a sales personality or you do not, end of story.
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July 29th, 2023 at 4:22:55 AM permalink
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You have a sales personality or you do not, end of story.
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I didn't really have a sales personality but I could fake it - I wasn't very good - I was middle of the road

the top guys where I was - a high volume very large retail furniture store were making $65 K in the early 90s

that's equivalent to about $130 K today

it was pretty astonishing to me at that time that a person whose only real skill is what you might call "schmoozing" could make that much

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July 29th, 2023 at 6:03:05 AM permalink
Only sales job I would like doing is non-cold call ones. Pretty sure, "foot in the door" expression wasn't that far off from reality in some cases.
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July 29th, 2023 at 2:38:41 PM permalink
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When I was 17/18 I sold Kirby door to door for about a year before I came to Vegas, Mostly in Lewis County, Washington area, little in the Olympia area. I sold both the Legend ll and the G3 models. G3's were very impressive and a good product. A few of those months I was the 2nd and 3rd top salesman. I was really good at getting people to let me demonstrate. I didn't make much since I just discounted the hell out of them.

It was interesting, a bit crazy, and fun at times. I definitely learned not to judge a book by its cover and some other things about people. With that being said, I didn't really like it, or try that hard most of the time when it came to demonstrations and sales. I felt dirty selling people stuff on financing who couldn't really afford it. The financing rates were crazy high. The hours were long, and I drove soo many miles it was insane.

Most people actually wanted one after they saw the demonstration. I stand by the product, it's actually a great product, I even bought 2 myself and still have one.

It was everything else that was shady as hell. The sales tactics my boss used were deplorable, he wanted us to use that crap as well. my It's a big con job starting with the tactics they use roping in the salespeople and screwing them over. I saw that right from the start. I only took the job to make my dad happy and because they guaranteed you $1,500 for your first month, even if you sold nothing. They always found ways to screw everyone out of that. I only stayed because it was literally my free ticket to Vegas... more lies, they screwed me out of that. Lots of other shady stuff as well.

p.s. A No Solicitors sign on a private residents usually means I buy everything.
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sales has always been a way for guys who weren't able to get a professional position such as Accountant to make some pretty decent money

I did it for many years - it didn't always feel good about the way I had to do it - I won't say misrepresent - but let's say "shade the truth" to make a sale

I've even had a stock market guy (they really are basically salesmen) - I'm talking about a guy who was high up in a prestigious firm - give me info that I knew was basically false or highly suspect in order to retain my business

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If your stock market guy is basically a salesman, you are dealing with the bottom feeders.
As an example- I needed twenty grand a few weeks ago. Called my guy but he was out. I told his PA what I needed and was assured it would get taken care of. AT 4PM, the PA calls me back and asks if I need the money that day or can it wait. I say I need it by Sunday and she says great. He calls me in the morning and changes the event from being a taxable one to a non-taxable one. Saved me $3,000 for the time being.
I don't think he is smarter than me, and I absolutely think I can find opportunities better than he can, but he knows how to dot the i's and plays the tax code as if it is a Hammond organ.
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July 29th, 2023 at 2:51:51 PM permalink
*for we "senior" forum members*

Remember when you used to be a kid and your folks took you on a long distance car trip?

Gassing up and eating at Howard Johnsons?

With few freeways or interstates yet constructed, most of the trip was on highways with traffic lights?

Best of all, doing it in summer in a vehicle without air conditioning?
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July 29th, 2023 at 6:15:21 PM permalink
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*for we "senior" forum members*

Remember when you used to be a kid and your folks took you on a long distance car trip?

Gassing up and eating at Howard Johnsons?

With few freeways or interstates yet constructed, most of the trip was on highways with traffic lights?

Best of all, doing it in summer in a vehicle without air conditioning?
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Yep. we did several of those. I later took my sons on a cross country trip plus. Rented a car for $75 a week unlimited mileage. Drove from Fla. to NY to CA and then back to Fla. My kids still talk about that trip. Great memories.

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July 29th, 2023 at 6:25:44 PM permalink
In the mnid-1960s, my Dad had an Opel Cadet, in the days when Opel was a German car. In addition to the split window vents most cars used to have, this had a window on the hatch you could open. At highway speed, the airflow was incredible. In 1967, my parents, my two sisters and I drove cross country in the car, along with our two family dogs. I've no idea how we survived.
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July 29th, 2023 at 6:34:27 PM permalink
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In the mnid-1960s, my Dad had an Opel Cadet, in the days when Opel was a German car. In addition to the split window vents most cars used to have, this had a window on the hatch you could open. At highway speed, the airflow was incredible. In 1967, my parents, my two sisters and I drove cross country in the car, along with our two family dogs. I've no idea how we survived.
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The old cars not only had vents you could open under the dashboard they had those triangular shaped vent windows that would let in a huge amount of air. Even on hot days on the highway you never really felt that uncomfortable because there was so much air moving through the car. All that stuff is gone now there's no vents and there's certainly no vent windows anymore. I have a sunroof in my van and with the windows down that does let in a lot of air cuz I really hate air conditioning in the car and in my house. I just read there's some State now where you can get a ticket for not running your air in the summertime. It has to be out west somewhere, they'll give you a ticket if you're riding around with the windows down. The insurance companys have got to be behind it just like the insurance companies were behind the seat belt laws.
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July 30th, 2023 at 2:54:20 AM permalink
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I just read there's some State now where you can get a ticket for not running your air in the summertime. It has to be out west somewhere, they'll give you a ticket if you're riding around with the windows down. The insurance companys have got to be behind it just like the insurance companies were behind the seat belt laws.
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I have a very hard time believing this.

As to trips, though, I love long ones to new places. Was just explaining this to someone. She asked about why drive not fly cross-country. I explained that I loved the road trip and seeing everything from the Cadillac Ranch to the largest cross in the western hemisphere (outside one of the smallest churches anywhere!) as you drive by. Saw the world's tallest thermometer on one trip, loved seeing it. Years later a woman moved to our area from Vegas and mentioned a city and I asked "is that where the world's tallest thermometer is?" She said no and said the city, but with a look of "who would care about that thing" on her face.

I plan to one day drive a convertible coast to coast top down every inch of the way. And drive to every conus state. Want to drive to AK as well but that one looks like lits of hassle.
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July 30th, 2023 at 4:22:58 AM permalink
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I plan to one day drive a convertible coast to coast top down every inch of the way. And drive to every conus state. Want to drive to AK as well but that one looks like lits of hassle.



In the early 1990's I had a new two seat convertible and drove from Vegas to Florida to New York to Seattle to Vegas all by myself with no real itinerary. I rarely spent more than one day in any place.
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July 30th, 2023 at 4:45:19 AM permalink
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I just read there's some State now where you can get a ticket for not running your air in the summertime. It has to be out west somewhere, they'll give you a ticket if you're riding around with the windows down. The insurance companys have got to be behind it just like the insurance companies were behind the seat belt laws.
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I have a very hard time believing this.

As to trips, though, I love long ones to new places. Was just explaining this to someone. She asked about why drive not fly cross-country. I explained that I loved the road trip and seeing everything from the Cadillac Ranch to the largest cross in the western hemisphere (outside one of the smallest churches anywhere!) as you drive by. Saw the world's tallest thermometer on one trip, loved seeing it. Years later a woman moved to our area from Vegas and mentioned a city and I asked "is that where the world's tallest thermometer is?" She said no and said the city, but with a look of "who would care about that thing" on her face.

I plan to one day drive a convertible coast to coast top down every inch of the way. And drive to every conus state. Want to drive to AK as well but that one looks like lits of hassle.
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Is the ferry still an option?
That may remain in-spirit while reducing hassle and providing another unique experience.
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July 30th, 2023 at 7:42:50 AM permalink
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I have a very hard time believing this.



Jul 18, ó DRIVERS have been warned about huge £5000 fines they risk receiving for not using air this summer.

It's in the UK, they left that out of the article that I read.
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July 31st, 2023 at 2:43:16 AM permalink
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I just read there's some State now where you can get a ticket for not running your air in the summertime. It has to be out west somewhere, they'll give you a ticket if you're riding around with the windows down. The insurance companys have got to be behind it just like the insurance companies were behind the seat belt laws.
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I have a very hard time believing this.

As to trips, though, I love long ones to new places. Was just explaining this to someone. She asked about why drive not fly cross-country. I explained that I loved the road trip and seeing everything from the Cadillac Ranch to the largest cross in the western hemisphere (outside one of the smallest churches anywhere!) as you drive by. Saw the world's tallest thermometer on one trip, loved seeing it. Years later a woman moved to our area from Vegas and mentioned a city and I asked "is that where the world's tallest thermometer is?" She said no and said the city, but with a look of "who would care about that thing" on her face.

I plan to one day drive a convertible coast to coast top down every inch of the way. And drive to every conus state. Want to drive to AK as well but that one looks like lits of hassle.
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Is the ferry still an option?
That may remain in-spirit while reducing hassle and providing another unique experience.
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Didn't know it ever was given the distances. I have looked at the maps and services are very scarce along the last parts of the way. Might try it but AK not a priority by car
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July 31st, 2023 at 7:22:38 AM permalink
Saw this on Reddit and it still happens to me once in a great while.

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Does anyone else have dreams that itís finals week and you suddenly remembered a class you forgot about all semester, even though you graduated years ago?"



Itís not always class related. The idea seems to attach itself where Iíve had a situation of repeated pressure of some sort to achieve the same deadline for something enough that it sticks in my head.

And I never actually had a class that I forgot about all semester, but I had that dream.
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July 31st, 2023 at 8:15:40 AM permalink
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I just read there's some State now where you can get a ticket for not running your air in the summertime. It has to be out west somewhere, they'll give you a ticket if you're riding around with the windows down. The insurance companys have got to be behind it just like the insurance companies were behind the seat belt laws.
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I have a very hard time believing this.

As to trips, though, I love long ones to new places. Was just explaining this to someone. She asked about why drive not fly cross-country. I explained that I loved the road trip and seeing everything from the Cadillac Ranch to the largest cross in the western hemisphere (outside one of the smallest churches anywhere!) as you drive by. Saw the world's tallest thermometer on one trip, loved seeing it. Years later a woman moved to our area from Vegas and mentioned a city and I asked "is that where the world's tallest thermometer is?" She said no and said the city, but with a look of "who would care about that thing" on her face.

I plan to one day drive a convertible coast to coast top down every inch of the way. And drive to every conus state. Want to drive to AK as well but that one looks like lits of hassle.
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Is the ferry still an option?
That may remain in-spirit while reducing hassle and providing another unique experience.
link to original post



Didn't know it ever was given the distances. I have looked at the maps and services are very scarce along the last parts of the way. Might try it but AK not a priority by car
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A quick review says they're still running it.
https://dot.alaska.gov/amhs/route.shtml

Bellingham, WA to points north.
Neither the boat or the drive appeal to me, so I can't really fault you for skipping Alaska.
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July 31st, 2023 at 8:42:26 AM permalink
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Saw this on Reddit and it still happens to me once in a great while.

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Does anyone else have dreams that itís finals week and you suddenly remembered a class you forgot about all semester, even though you graduated years ago?"



Itís not always class related. The idea seems to attach itself where Iíve had a situation of repeated pressure of some sort to achieve the same deadline for something enough that it sticks in my head.

And I never actually had a class that I forgot about all semester, but I had that dream.
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Yes, I have had that dream many times during my life, always occurring in college.

A more recent variant is that I was cast in a role in a theater production and forgot to go to rehearsals or remember lines, and I'm now back stage on opening night and I have no idea what to do.
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