Remember When
Quote: LoquaciousMoFWQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: DRichQuote: ChumpChangeI went to take a computer course around 1984, and it was nothing like a home Apple computer. It was this.
1964 IBM 029 Keypunch Card Punching Demonstration - YouTube
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That is the machine I started on in the 1980's. The computers had no keyboards and no monitors. All input was via punch card, and all output was via a line printer.
My first checkers game I wrote you had to run to the card punch and make a card for every move (eg. A1 B2), then run to the card reader and feed it in. The printer then printed a whole new board with every move.
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Are you sure you do not mean the 60s or 70s? Punch cards would have been gone by the 80s. The IBM PC would have been used after 1981,
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Punch cards lasted a surprisingly long time. Think public schools and government systems. My university taught FORTRAN using punch cards into the late 80's.
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I own an IBM punch card that was used to produce the "1st Ford Can Do Tractor Off Line." (Feb. 1, 1966) It was a farm tractor. The punch card is encased is a 10 lb. block of Lucite. I bought it at a garage sale for $5.00. It is a museum piece that Ford would love to have. Priceless.
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Quote: billryanTo my amazement, my parents' homeowners insurance covered it, and I got a check for $89 which I used to buy a 1965 Nova wagon for $65. The guy was asking $75 but I negotiated it down to $65. The car took two quarts of oil every few days, had oil in the coolant system, and smoked incessantly—the perfect first car.
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My first car was also a station wagon. Mine was just as ugly as yours.
My family had one of these beauties:
Quote: DRichQuote: billryanTo my amazement, my parents' homeowners insurance covered it, and I got a check for $89 which I used to buy a 1965 Nova wagon for $65. The guy was asking $75 but I negotiated it down to $65. The car took two quarts of oil every few days, had oil in the coolant system, and smoked incessantly—the perfect first car.
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My first car was also a station wagon. Mine was just as ugly as yours.
My family had one of these beauties:
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The week after I bought my Nova, I put the back seat down and installed shag carpeting in the entire back. It took me most of the afternoon and my Mom thought it looked great. My Dad saw it and quietly told me that the carpeting goes and the back seat stays up.
In the mid 1980s I bought an early 1970s Buick Estate Wagon as a workhorse to do comic and baseball shows. I think I paid $500 for it and it lasted a few years.
How about weed: remember Mexican with lots of stems and seeds?
I quit smoking when the price went up ten-fold
Quote: MrVI used to get a pack of Marlboro from the cigarette machine at college for a quarter.
I quit smoking when the price went up ten-fold
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I still say quit all the disgusting anti-smoke ads with people in bad health and just show what you end up spending on the things.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: MrVI used to get a pack of Marlboro from the cigarette machine at college for a quarter.
I quit smoking when the price went up ten-fold
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I still say quit all the disgusting anti-smoke ads with people in bad health and just show what you end up spending on the things.
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Just keep upping the taxes until no one can afford to smoke. That way it benefits all of us with the tax collected.
Quote: DRichQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: MrVI used to get a pack of Marlboro from the cigarette machine at college for a quarter.
I quit smoking when the price went up ten-fold
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I still say quit all the disgusting anti-smoke ads with people in bad health and just show what you end up spending on the things.
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Just keep upping the taxes until no one can afford to smoke. That way it benefits all of us with the tax collected.
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Except the poor bodega owners who keep their doors open off cigarette and lottery sales. What about their children?
Quote: DRichQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: MrVI used to get a pack of Marlboro from the cigarette machine at college for a quarter.
I quit smoking when the price went up ten-fold
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I still say quit all the disgusting anti-smoke ads with people in bad health and just show what you end up spending on the things.
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Just keep upping the taxes until no one can afford to smoke. That way it benefits all of us with the tax collected.
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You need to take some Econ classes. Too high a tax rate raises no revenue. The government is as hooked on cigarettes as a three pack a day Pall Mall smoker.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAM1MKi7bNU
Quote: DRichQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: MrVI used to get a pack of Marlboro from the cigarette machine at college for a quarter.
I quit smoking when the price went up ten-fold
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I still say quit all the disgusting anti-smoke ads with people in bad health and just show what you end up spending on the things.
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Just keep upping the taxes until no one can afford to smoke. That way it benefits all of us with the tax collected.
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Around here smokers just go to the nearest Indian Reservation and buy a case at a time tax free.
flipping and collecting baseball cards - you won if you got a leaner against the wall unless the other guy also had a leaner - and then the higher leaner won
I had Maris and Mantle and Willie Mays at one time
and of course, like so many my Moms threw them away - thought they were junk
the 2 boxes I had were surely worth thousands now
a Mickey Mantle 1952 rookie card sold for $12.6 million but the other years are only worth a few hundred I think
https://www.sportico.com/business/commerce/2022/mantle-52-rookie-card-topps-collectibles-market-1234692271/
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flipping and collecting baseball cards - you won if you got a leaner against the wall unless the other guy also had a leaner - and then the higher leaner won
I had Maris and Mantle and Willie Mays at one time
and of course, like so many my Moms threw them away - thought they were junk
the 2 boxes I had were surely worth thousands now
a Mickey Mantle 1952 rookie card sold for $12.6 million but the other years are only worth a few hundred I think
https://www.sportico.com/business/commerce/2022/mantle-52-rookie-card-topps-collectibles-market-1234692271/
I think you'd be hard pressed to find a nice Mantle card for under a thousand, especially a certified one. There are a lot of fake Mantles out there so buyer beware.
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Quote: MrVRemember when all we had was black and white TV and just a few channels, and we liked it?
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I do. But not as much as the 300 Hi Def color channels I get now without having to hold an antenna with my foot hanging out the window to get decent reception.
Quote: MrVRemember when all we had was black and white TV and just a few channels, and we liked it?
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there wasn't a lot of sports events on TV back in the day
the NFL was regularly televised - but in a small way - you could see your local team on Sunday and maybe one other game
it was so very exciting when you could watch your team in a big game - or a very big game in the playoffs or a hot rivalry
there was very little major network coverage of the NBA - I think one game per week - and then more in the playoffs
MLB iirc - there was very little until the World Series came - I don't ever remember watching my team - the Washington Senators on TV
you had to physically go to the game to see them
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Quote: lilredroosterQuote: MrVRemember when all we had was black and white TV and just a few channels, and we liked it?
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there wasn't a lot of sports events on TV back in the day
the NFL was regularly televised - but in a small way - you could see your local team on Sunday and maybe one other game
it was so very exciting when you could watch your team in a big game - or a very big game in the playoffs or a hot rivalry
there was very little major network coverage of the NBA - I think one game per week - and then more in the playoffs
MLB iirc - there was very little until the World Series came - I don't ever remember watching my team - the Washington Senators on TV
you had to physically go to the game to see them
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Pre-merger I believe the NFL blacked out all local home games. It was not understood how important TV was going to be to sports back then. So many games were lost to time because they did not save the tapes. The "shot heard round the world" ("THE GIANTS WIN THE PENNANT!" only survives because some guy taped the game from the radio for his kid that had to work. Think about that, perhaps the most famous baseball broadcast moment would have never been heard by most of us. Ditto the 1960 World Series Game 7, considered one of the best games ever, was lost for decades until they found film in a closet.
Superbowls 1 and 2 are lost to time. Little pre-1980s professional wrestling was saved.
While no TV baseball back then I have always heard how one could walk home and hear the game on radio as people listened on their front porches. I fie that under "plausible."
Quote: AZDuffmanThe "shot heard round the world" ("THE GIANTS WIN THE PENNANT!" only survives because some guy taped the game from the radio for his kid that had to work. Think about that, perhaps the most famous baseball broadcast moment would have never been heard by most of us. Ditto the 1960 World Series Game 7, considered one of the best games ever, was lost for decades until they found film in a closet.
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yt has it - yt is so great - it's a great clip - really fun to watch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shot_Heard_%27Round_the_World_(baseball)
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Quote: SOOPOOQuote: MrVRemember when all we had was black and white TV and just a few channels, and we liked it?
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I do. But not as much as the 300 Hi Def color channels I get now without having to hold an antenna with my foot hanging out the window to get decent reception.
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There was a time when changing the channel involved getting out of our seats, walking to the TV and turning the channel selector knob - unbearable to think of doing this today.
a lot of things like what is mentioned in the above 3 posts are better today
but imo not everything about the modern world is better
I've lived in the burbs a very long time now
I used to feel the burbs were a safe and calm and pleasant place to live
not anymore, not by a longshot
lots of crime, lots of homeless here - I wouldn't want my wife to walk around alone at night here
the burbs in the DC area now are so congested it's kinna ridiculous to think of them as burbs - they're really small cities
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Quote: lilredrooster.
a lot of things like what is mentioned in the above 3 posts are better today
but imo not everything about the modern world is better
I've lived in the burbs a very long time now
I used to feel the burbs were a safe and calm and pleasant place to live
not anymore, not by a longshot
lots of crime, lots of homeless here - I wouldn't want my wife to walk around alone at night here
the burbs in the DC area now are so congested it's kinna ridiculous to think of them as burbs - they're really small cities
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It's hard to imagine there weren't still predators snatching kids out of quiet neighborhoods just as much as today. At least as long as decent running cars have existed. I'm not sure why there would be fewer then. Not so easily publicized instantly as today. Your picture went on a milk carton. And maybe you were never heard from again.
Quote: rxwineQuote: lilredrooster.
a lot of things like what is mentioned in the above 3 posts are better today
but imo not everything about the modern world is better
I've lived in the burbs a very long time now
I used to feel the burbs were a safe and calm and pleasant place to live
not anymore, not by a longshot
lots of crime, lots of homeless here - I wouldn't want my wife to walk around alone at night here
the burbs in the DC area now are so congested it's kinna ridiculous to think of them as burbs - they're really small cities
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It's hard to imagine there weren't still predators snatching kids out of quiet neighborhoods just as much as today. At least as long as decent running cars have existed. I'm not sure why there would be fewer then. Not so easily publicized instantly as today. Your picture went on a milk carton. And maybe you were never heard from again.
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well, that's true
but the population of the burb I live in has probably quadrupled in the last 40
I would guess maybe 6 times as many bad actors - there used to be ZERO homeless here
and the square footage of the burb has not increased
I remember - 1975 - 2 little girls ages 10 and 12 - the Lyons sisters - disappeared from Kensington, Maryland
I was one of hundreds who went searching for them
it was front page news for weeks - everybody was talking about it - everywhere
today, if 2 little girls disappeared from Kensington, MD - it would make the news but only back pages
the news Gods - The Masters of the Universe - would not consider it to be a big story
it would disappear from view very quickly
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Quote: smoothgrhThere used to be a lot more bowling on television. Not just pro bowlers, but a bowling game show: Bowling for Dollars! That show was compelling because the participants weren't professionals, so you never knew how'd they do. It was exciting when they had a good run of strikes.
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The host of the one in Pittsburgh fixed the daily lottery number.
Quote: rxwineThe other chore with early black & white TV's is regular trips to steady the vertical hold button or horizontal hold. Or maybe we just had the cheapest TVs in my house.
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The ending of The Sopranos would have been great if a couple of horizontal problems popped up a few minutes in and progressively got worse.
Quote: lilredroosterthere wasn't a lot of sports events on TV back in the day...MLB iirc - there was very little until the World Series came - I don't ever remember watching my team - the Washington Senators on TV you had to physically go to the game to see them.
Interesting; I was raised in northern NJ, not far from NYC, and I recall many, many nights my dad would watch the Yankees on the tube.
Not sure which channel broadcast them, could have been channel 9, WOR (?), but perhaps because the market was bigger we got games during midweek, IIRC.
Quote: MrVQuote: lilredroosterthere wasn't a lot of sports events on TV back in the day...MLB iirc - there was very little until the World Series came - I don't ever remember watching my team - the Washington Senators on TV you had to physically go to the game to see them.
Interesting; I was raised in northern NJ, not far from NYC, and I recall many, many nights my dad would watch the Yankees on the tube.
Not sure which channel broadcast them, could have been channel 9, WOR (?), but perhaps because the market was bigger we got games during midweek, IIRC.
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The Yankees used to broadcast about half their home games and less of their road games in the early 1960s. In the late 60s to the 80s, Channel 11 showed the Yankees and Channel 9 had the Mets. By 1976, most Yankee games were televised except West Coast night games.
NBC had the Saturday afternoon Game of the Week, and the All-Star Game, and World Series. The first WS game at night wasn't until the early 1970s
Quote: rxwineThe other chore with early black & white TV's is regular trips to steady the vertical hold button or horizontal hold. Or maybe we just had the cheapest TVs in my house.
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Growing up in a TV repair shop, a ridiculous number of problems were solved by washing dust and cigarette tar out of the control innards with electronics cleaner spray.
Tuned circuits are prone to misbehave when afflicted by certain common contaminants. Modern circuits are sealed to prevent them from getting in.
Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury -
# of violent crimes in the U.S. per 100,000 people - per Wiki:
1960________160.9
2018________368.9
Your Honor_______________I rest my case.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States#:~:text=The%20homicide%20rate%20has%20been,and%20its%20peak%20in%201991.
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Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury -
# of violent crimes in the U.S. per 100,000 people - per Wiki:
1960________160.9
2018________368.9
Your Honor_______________I rest my case.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States#:~:text=The%20homicide%20rate%20has%20been,and%20its%20peak%20in%201991.
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Women in Congress 1960- 18
Women in Congress in 2020- 126.
Proceed with caution.
Quote: lilredrooster.
Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury -
# of violent crimes in the U.S. per 100,000 people - per Wiki:
1960________160.9
2018________368.9
Your Honor_______________I rest my case.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States#:~:text=The%20homicide%20rate%20has%20been,and%20its%20peak%20in%201991.
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I have said on here that USA society started declining about 1964 but I got laughed at and attacked. Hmmmmm.
Life expectancy 2018 men 72.3 women 81.2
Quote: MrVQuote: lilredroosterthere wasn't a lot of sports events on TV back in the day...MLB iirc - there was very little until the World Series came - I don't ever remember watching my team - the Washington Senators on TV you had to physically go to the game to see them.
Interesting; I was raised in northern NJ, not far from NYC, and I recall many, many nights my dad would watch the Yankees on the tube.
Not sure which channel broadcast them, could have been channel 9, WOR (?), but perhaps because the market was bigger we got games during midweek, IIRC.
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WOR had the Mets. WPIX the Yanks. 9, 11.
Quote: DieterThis is taking a turn toward politics, controversy, hate speech, and moderators cruelly responding with a lack of proportion.
Proceed with caution.
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Clarification: I specifically am likely to overreact. I realized this could be misunderstood to mean the other moderators might have a sudden urge to dole out lengthy suspensions, which was not my intent.
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: MrVQuote: lilredroosterthere wasn't a lot of sports events on TV back in the day...MLB iirc - there was very little until the World Series came - I don't ever remember watching my team - the Washington Senators on TV you had to physically go to the game to see them.
Interesting; I was raised in northern NJ, not far from NYC, and I recall many, many nights my dad would watch the Yankees on the tube.
Not sure which channel broadcast them, could have been channel 9, WOR (?), but perhaps because the market was bigger we got games during midweek, IIRC.
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WOR had the Mets. WPIX the Yanks. 9, 11.
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In my years on this Earth, I've always been able to watch on TV any local pro sports team home or away games. The Red Sox and Bruins on WSBK and the Celtics on WBZ, and the Patriots on whatever network owned the rights to AFC games.
Quote: GenoDRPhIn my years on this Earth, I've always been able to watch on TV any local pro sports team home or away games. The Red Sox and Bruins on WSBK and the Celtics on WBZ, and the Patriots on whatever network owned the rights to AFC games.
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You're lucky - for a very long time, the baseball Giants had a very firm "no home games on TV, and that includes having the ones on WTBS or ESPN blacked out by the cable companies" policy.
non violent crime -
more than 40 million in the U.S. were victimized by identity theft in 2021
a different link estimates the total one year losses at $52 billion
$750 million was scammed based on Covid stimulus plans alone
back in the day - there was no such thing as identity theft - not that I can recall - or if it did exist - it was very rare
https://www.mcafee.com/learn/a-guide-to-identity-theft-statistics/#:~:text=More%20than%2040%20million%20U.S.,Fraud%20Study%3A%20The%20Virtual%20Battleground)
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Quote: ThatDonGuyQuote: GenoDRPhIn my years on this Earth, I've always been able to watch on TV any local pro sports team home or away games. The Red Sox and Bruins on WSBK and the Celtics on WBZ, and the Patriots on whatever network owned the rights to AFC games.
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You're lucky - for a very long time, the baseball Giants had a very firm "no home games on TV, and that includes having the ones on WTBS or ESPN blacked out by the cable companies" policy.
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By the time of ESPN and the superstations the home game blackouts were because there was almost always a local cable channel that had the rights. For example, YES for the Yankees or KBL for the Pirates. Related, YES is one of the reasons I cut the cable cord. Cable bundled it for it for years to get cable, doubt I ever watched even one pitch.
