Discussion about the Suspension List
Quote: MaxSwelleThaaaat's why I didn't provide a name. Every story has (3) sides; this side, that side and the alleged truth.
Good point. You did say allegedly and no forum member in good standing was identified. Rule 4 is a little vague if you ask me.
I guess some people can actually get 7 days after only the second offense. One thing about keeping a list is that it shows everything.
Quote: 1BBGood point. You did say allegedly and no forum member in good standing was identified. Rule 4 is a little vague if you ask me.
I guess some people can actually get 7 days after only the second offense. One thing about keeping a list is that it shows everything.
One thing I can always depend on is you trying to find fault with every suspension given. Thanks for not letting me down.
The administration of this site is transparent on purpose. Mike designed it that way. This is Max's second suspension in 3 weeks. So it's 7 days.
And your excuse-making for Max is ridiculous. If he had any sense of how this forum works, he would have taken his allegations down. Obviously if the parties involved with JJ's departure wanted the information posted, they would have done so. His twisted, third-party gossip is not tolerable.
Quote: beachbumbabsThis is Max's second suspension in 3 weeks. So it's 7 days....His twisted, third-party gossip is not tolerable.
Agreed, it is not tolerable. I view revealing real life details about other forum members, even if not specifically named, a serious offense.
I'm pulling rank and increasing the ban to 14 days.
Quote: zippyboyWhy was AxelWolf suspended?
If I'm understanding the question (he's not currently suspended), he said something that incited another member to make a suspension-worthy comment. Axel apologized and offered to serve the suspension for the other member. The Wizard, who was moderating the situation, accepted Axel's offer.
Quote: beachbumbabsOne thing I can always depend on is you trying to find fault with every suspension given. Thanks for not letting me down.
The administration of this site is transparent on purpose. Mike designed it that way. This is Max's second suspension in 3 weeks. So it's 7 days.
And your excuse-making for Max is ridiculous. If he had any sense of how this forum works, he would have taken his allegations down. Obviously if the parties involved with JJ's departure wanted the information posted, they would have done so. His twisted, third-party gossip is not tolerable.
Not an excuse, Barbara, a different point of view. I love the way you use the word ridiculous when talking about me. Attack the idea and not the person. Well done.
I hope I wasn't the cause of MaxSwelle's suspension being doubled.
Quote: rdw4potusI wouldn't have given a second thought to what Max said were he not suspended. That the suspension has now been increased only makes it more clear that what Max said is true. To the extent that the description can only pertain to a handful of people on this board, I'd argue that the suspension was at least as damaging as the original statements from Max.
Agreed! It was just random speculation until he got suspended.....
Quote: rdw4potusI wouldn't have given a second thought to what Max said were he not suspended. That the suspension has now been increased only makes it more clear that what Max said is true. To the extent that the description can only pertain to a handful of people on this board, I'd argue that the suspension was at least as damaging as the original statements from Max.
What Max said is not true. He made allegations of a personal and identifiable nature against a member of this forum, publicly. He posted information he had, true or not, from private communication without permission of the parties involved. None of this makes what he said true. It does make it unacceptable content.
Quote: beachbumbabsAnd your excuse-making for Max is ridiculous. If he had any sense of how this forum works, he would have taken his allegations down. Obviously if the parties involved with JJ's departure wanted the information posted, they would have done so. His twisted, third-party gossip is not tolerable.
How did 1BB come to know all the salient details?
Presumably either JJ or "Mr. X" told him, in which case the information was arguably not intended to be private.
rule 4: "Respect privacy. Do not post any information about someone else that is intended to be private or quote from private communication."
I'm not saying I disagree with the suspension, I am only agreeing that rule 4 is a bit vague, at least as to how it should be interpreted.
Maybe it could be changed, as follows: "Respect privacy. Do not post any information about someone else that was communicated to you in private, or quote from private communication."
That would remove any ambiguity about "intent."
Quote: MrVHow did 1BB come to know all the salient details?
Presumably either JJ or "Mr. X" told him, in which case the information was arguably not intended to be private.
rule 4: "Respect privacy. Do not post any information about someone else that is intended to be private or quote from private communication."
I'm not saying I disagree with the suspension, I am only agreeing that rule 4 is a bit vague, at least as to how it should be interpreted.
Maybe it could be changed, as follows: "Respect privacy. Do not post any information about someone else that was communicated to you in private, or quote from private communication."
That would remove any ambiguity about "intent."
I'm not aware that 1BB knows any details. If he does, he's kept them to himself.
Quote: beachbumbabsWhat Max said is not true. He made allegations of a personal and identifiable nature against a member of this forum, publicly. He posted information he had, true or not, from private communication without permission of the parties involved. None of this makes what he said true. It does make it unacceptable content.
He very specifically did not make allegations of a personal and identifiable nature against a member of this forum. Jennie was identified but was NOT a member of this forum at the time of Max's statement. She resigned, permanently, well before Max made his statement. No other party, forum member or otherwise, was directly identified in Max's post.
Quote: rdw4potusHe very specifically did not make allegations of a personal and identifiable nature against a member of this forum. Jennie was identified but was NOT a member of this forum at the time of Max's statement. She resigned, permanently, well before Max made his statement. No other party, forum member or otherwise, was directly identified in Max's post.
Forum management does not take kindly to even anonymous postings regarding real life activities of other forum members.
Quote: beachbumbabsI'm not aware that 1BB knows any details. If he does, he's kept them to himself.
My bad, I meant to say "MaxSwelle" not "1BB."
Mea culpa.
Quote: WizardForum management does not take kindly to even anonymous postings regarding real life activities of other forum members.
That certainly makes a lot of sense. You should probably make it a rule.
mkl and JerryLogan were the Hearns/Hagler of WoV.Quote: 1BBThis thread was started on Christmas Day, 2010. I just went down memory lane and read the first couple of pages. I remember those guys as if it was yesterday.
Quote: 1BBThis thread was started on Christmas Day, 2010. I just went down memory lane and read the first couple of pages. I remember those guys as if it was yesterday.
lol. It was an education, reading those two back.
Quote: EvenBobNothing on why Ahigh and Z were suspended? Weird..
The reason given is "fighting."
I assume that is a variation of "bullying/trolling," but "fighting" is not enumerated in the rules as proscribed conduct.
Quote: MrVI assume that is a variation of "bullying/trolling," but "fighting" is not enumerated in the rules as proscribed conduct.
One could say they were bullying each other, which violates rule 12.
Quote: WizardOne could say they were bullying each other, which violates rule 12.
Those kids, they never learn.. Time outs
for both..
You win. And Axel already outed a couple of them.Quote: DRichI'd be willing to wager that he has a new user account before you read this.
Quote: WizardOne could say they were bullying each other, which violates rule 12.
Maybe they're just authors.
http://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2014/09/19
Quote: MaxSwellePost deleted by moderators as violation of privacy rule 4.
what juicy thing did I miss?! :(
SIGH!
Quote: 100xOddswhat juicy thing did I miss?! :(
SIGH!
max may or may not have said something about someone which may or may not have been true which may or may not have been told to him from a current or former forum member.
Quote: GWAEmax may or may not have said something about someone which may or may not have been true which may or may not have been told to him from a current or former forum member.
That clears it up! Ha ha.
Something are just best left unknown and let it fade on its own!
Next up Canyonero. Three days. Guess he should have kept his opinions to himself or worded them more cleverly.
MaxSwelle, how ya doin' out there? Did you clean out your desk before you were shown the door? A lot can happen between now and October.
I would hope that those jumping ship would leave with kind, or at least neutral, words. It doesn't take any more effort to go out on a positive note. For those who can't or won't let 'em rip! It will certainly be entertaining.
Anyone who does not want to be suspended should be extra careful in these uncertain times. Check and double check before posting.
It is too bad about AxiomOfChoice he is a smart guy. I consider him a friend outside the forum. He may seem like he has an ego on the forum however in person he is a fairly humble and all around cool guy.Quote: 1BBI was prepared to welcome AxiomOfChoice back later today but he is now on the list as a permanent resignation. In his last post he said he was done with this site. I don't see that as official but I'm not privy to what goes on behind the scenes.
Next up Canyonero. Three days. Guess he should have kept his opinions to himself or worded them more cleverly.
MaxSwelle, how ya doin' out there? Did you clean out your desk before you were shown the door? A lot can happen between now and October.
I would hope that those jumping ship would leave with kind, or at least neutral, words. It doesn't take any more effort to go out on a positive note. For those who can't or won't let 'em rip! It will certainly be entertaining.
Anyone who does not want to be suspended should be extra careful in these uncertain times. Check and double check before posting.
his concern was that he gave his personal information to others via PM. He used his normal Email that he also gives to the casinos(he should have known better since he knows how this stuff works). He believes its a good possibility that the new owners might sell this information to casino and they could cross reference it to him outing him as a part time AP.
Maybe he could come back as NotAxiom.
Quote: 1BBLet's hope his fears are unfounded. I don't see anyone stepping up to allay them even with the spin being put on by some.
4 different Admins, starting with me, ending with the new owner's representative, have said Private Messages are PRIVATE. No spin. No exclusions. The part I didn't know when I spoke before was whether Mike and JB (they have greater access to some things than I do, as owner and programmer, like site coding and formatting) had access. They don't. And it was designed that way on purpose.
I get that we have very skilled programmers, DB managers, and maybe even hackers as members on here. I get that "any" website or DB can be hacked. But there is no special access to anybody's inbox/outbox by 3rd parties, even admins, and it's not going to be programmed in with the ownership change.
In the context of 4 people who KNOW (as in don't have to speculate) telling you this, the straw man "spin" and "don't see anyone stepping up to allay them" is pretty insulting and, your phrase, "unfounded".
Quote: beachbumbabs4 different Admins, starting with me, ending with the new owner's representative, have said Private Messages are PRIVATE. No spin. No exclusions. The part I didn't know when I spoke before was whether Mike and JB (they have greater access to some things than I do, as owner and programmer, like site coding and formatting) had access. They don't. And it was designed that way on purpose.
I get that we have very skilled programmers, DB managers, and maybe even hackers as members on here. I get that "any" website or DB can be hacked. But there is no special access to anybody's inbox/outbox by 3rd parties, even admins, and it's not going to be programmed in with the ownership change.
In the context of 4 people who KNOW (as in don't have to speculate) telling you this, the straw man "spin" and "don't see anyone stepping up to allay them" is pretty insulting and, your phrase, "unfounded".
I just recently discovered that using all capital letters in words is yelling at someone so, once again, it seems that my correspondence with another member has upset you. Please try to relax and have a wonderful day!
Quote: 1BBI just recently discovered that using all capital letters in words is yelling at someone so, once again, it seems that my correspondence with another member has upset you. Please try to relax and have a wonderful day!
1BB,
You're posting publicly in a round-table discussion, which implicitly invites comment. If you intend"correspondence with another member"to be private, why, look at that, there's a thing called, appropriately, Private Messaging. (Edited for grammar) What upsets me is that you blow off direct answers from people who know what they're talking about in favor of continuing to stir the pot and encourage disinformation through straw man attacks and innuendo.
As to the all-caps, the convention is that writing sentences and paragraphs all-caps is yelling/flaming. The occasional word in all-caps is emphasis. However, since you've seen at least 4 admins say private messages are and will remain private, and still insist on sowing discontent, perhaps yelling is necessary for you to hear. For now the 6th time (at least), private messages are private. Not yelling. Not spinning. Just a simple fact.
Quote: AxelWolfThere are thousands of registered emails, in what fashion will they be used if any, you may not know the answer to that, can you find out?
Mike and I already addressed this in another thread, but Ill say it again. All your emails will remain private as part of the WOO network. And in that aspect We might occasionally send the newsletters which would have an opt out option.
Quote: AxelWolfThere are thousands of registered emails, in what fashion will they be used if any, you may not know the answer to that, can you find out?
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that they may be used for a newsletter, but that the newsletter will have an easy one-click opt-out. :-)
Ill just make sure to add some incorrect facts to my PMs to confuse anyone looking.Quote: beachbumbabs1BB,
You're posting publicly in a round-table discussion, which implicitly invites comment. If you intend something to be "correspondence with another member" is meant to be private, why, look at that, there's a thing called, appropriately, Private Messaging. What upsets me is that you blow off direct answers from people who know what they're talking about in favor of continuing to stir the pot and encourage disinformation through straw man attacks and innuendo.
As to the all-caps, the convention is that writing sentences and paragraphs all-caps is yelling/flaming. The occasional word in all-caps is emphasis. However, since you've seen at least 4 admins say private messages are and will remain private, and still insist on sowing discontent, perhaps yelling is necessary for you to hear. For now the 6th time (at least), private messages are private. Not yelling. Not spinning. Just a simple fact.
ie. I'm gay, My name is [insert Axioms real name and number] ☺
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Quote: beachbumbabs1BB,
You're posting publicly in a round-table discussion, which implicitly invites comment. If you intend something to be "correspondence with another member" is meant to be private, why, look at that, there's a thing called, appropriately, Private Messaging. What upsets me is that you blow off direct answers from people who know what they're talking about in favor of continuing to stir the pot and encourage disinformation through straw man attacks and innuendo.
As to the all-caps, the convention is that writing sentences and paragraphs all-caps is yelling/flaming. The occasional word in all-caps is emphasis. However, since you've seen at least 4 admins say private messages are and will remain private, and still insist on sowing discontent, perhaps yelling is necessary for you to hear. For now the 6th time (at least), private messages are private. Not yelling. Not spinning. Just a simple fact.
Thank you for your response. Long Island Sound is beautiful this morning and I'm going for a walk on the beach. It keeps the blood pressure down although mine is perfect - sans medication. I highly recommend it to anyone needing to relieve the stresses of daily life.
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Quote: IbeatyouracesI don't even use the email I signed up with.
This is immensely wise and immensely common.
One company I worked for insisted we collect email addresses ... and clients could do things like enter a contest if they provided such. Employees were to use the emails as much as possible to send proposals, in the spirit of being internet savvy.
We in the trenches find out immediately that it was essential after sending the email to call the customer and tell them to check their spam folder and the particular email address they gave us, frequently reserved for such BS.
Somebody needs to tell Axiom that he ain't as big a celebrity as he thinks...lolQuote: AxelWolfHe believes its a good possibility that the new owners might sell this information to casino and they could cross reference it to him outing him as a part time AP.
I can but then Bob will have to tell me.Quote: Beethoven9thSomebody needs to tell Axiom that he ain't as big a celebrity as he thinks...lol
Quote: 1BBLong Island Sound is beautiful this morning and I'm going for a walk on the beach. I highly recommend it to anyone needing to relieve the stresses of daily life.
Blast from the past.... In residency I would occasionally walk to Port Jefferson after a long night at work....
Quote: AxelWolfIt is too bad about AxiomOfChoice he is a smart guy. I consider him a friend outside the forum. He may seem like he has an ego on the forum however in person he is a fairly humble and all around cool guy.
his concern was that he gave his personal information to others via PM. He used his normal Email that he also gives to the casinos(he should have known better since he knows how this stuff works). He believes its a good possibility that the new owners might sell this information to casino and they could cross reference it to him outing him as a part time AP.
Talk about paranoid over nothing. LOL.
Quote: DMSCRTalk about paranoid over nothing. LOL.
Its gotten so bad other members are starting to hear voices.
They should do what I do, and pretend they can't hear them.
Yet I have just been accused of trolling because my postings were found to be inviting comment.
And summarily warned by the new owner that I am skating on thin ice. Much like the Toronto Maple Leafs.
Does the phrase " Power Corrupts and Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely " ring a bell ? ? ?
Quote: beachbumbabsThe part I didn't know when I spoke before was whether Mike and JB (they have greater access to some things than I do, as owner and programmer, like site coding and formatting) had access. They don't. And it was designed that way on purpose.
As someone who knows a bit about web development, I have to say that this is probably not 100% true. Whoever administrates/develops the site on the back end absolutely could gain access to private messages if they so desired. In this way you are always trusting the site admins of forums when you send private messages. The functionality may not be built in to the web interface so that admins can read PMs (that would be absurd, if you want to even try to pretend they are private), but the systems administrator/webmaster has the database password and access and could, if they so choose, log directly in to the database and read said messages. AxiomOfChoice made this point pretty vehemently just before he left.
I suppose it is possible they set up PMs to be stored in an encrypted fashion, so that only the sender and receiver could read them. But considering this whose site is served over HTTP, said PMs would then be traveling in plain text over the tubes.
I say this not to start conspiracy theories or cast aspersions on our new Overlords' motives, but just as a reality check. For the most part, I trust JB not to read my PMs, but at the same time, I don't send anything hypersensitive in there.
Quote: petroglyphIts gotten so bad other members are starting to hear voices.
They should do what I do, and pretend they can't hear them.
If I see anyone walking around with a tinfoil hat I know who it is. Hahahahaha.
