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March 21st, 2012 at 1:20:22 PM permalink
I would like to propose that the account thomasgrayson be banned. You can read all of his posts here.

Every single one of his posts other than his introduction read something like this and don't actually apply to the thread:
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Reading this one seems to be a real good thing would work out well in the long run. I just hope that things would work out well for the long run as I read a lot of good tips here. Thanks!



Usually they include a spam link, but not always. I'm guessing the account is a poorly-programmed spambot. Sometimes the posts contain words from the original thread, so it's probably programmed to try to look contextually relevant, but it barely works.

Thomas, if you are not a spambot, please defend yourself here.
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March 21st, 2012 at 1:29:21 PM permalink
Quote: AcesAndEights

I would like to propose that the account thomasgrayson be banned. You can read all of his posts here.

Every single one of his posts other than his introduction read something like this and don't actually apply to the thread:

Quote:

Reading this one seems to be a real good thing would work out well in the long run. I just hope that things would work out well for the long run as I read a lot of good tips here. Thanks!



Usually they include a spam link, but not always. I'm guessing the account is a poorly-programmed spambot. Sometimes the posts contain words from the original thread, so it's probably programmed to try to look contextually relevant, but it barely works.

Thomas, if you are not a spambot, please defend yourself here.



Spammer/spam bot for sure
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March 21st, 2012 at 1:52:39 PM permalink
I agree. Not needed here for sure.
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March 21st, 2012 at 2:06:06 PM permalink
I just gave him 2 weeks. I'm not going to put up with people who are using this site to advertise their own interests, outside of the kiosk, for free.
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March 21st, 2012 at 2:17:05 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I just gave him 2 weeks. I'm not going to put up with people who are using this site to advertise their own interests, outside of the kiosk, for free.



Wiz:

Thanks for what you do for the "community". I'm sorry
that the hassles come along with that. Please keep up
the good work, it is appreciated.....
There's emptiness behind their eyes There's dust in all their hearts They just want to steal us all and take us all apart
AcesAndEights
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March 21st, 2012 at 3:27:59 PM permalink
Quote: JohnnyQ

Wiz:

Thanks for what you do for the "community". I'm sorry
that the hassles come along with that. Please keep up
the good work, it is appreciated.....


Absolutely, +1 on all the hard work that the Wiz and JB have put into this forum.
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March 21st, 2012 at 3:50:41 PM permalink
You're welcome :-)
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March 21st, 2012 at 3:58:35 PM permalink
For the record, I've seen some other bogus and spam threads pop up in the last few days - and then disappear rather quickly.

The "secret administrator" thing seems to be working.

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I looked at some of ThomasGrayson's posts that AcesAndEights is talking about. I KNOW I've flagged the ones with links. I guess the posts, being so short and not in multiple places, fell under the radar of other users. Also, those were probably before the secret administrator thing got started. His post today didn't have a link....
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March 21st, 2012 at 4:14:27 PM permalink
I'm really glad to read about this one. I would just hope that things would work out for the best in the long run.

:)
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March 21st, 2012 at 4:16:06 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

I'm really glad to read about this one. I would just hope that things would work out for the best in the long run.

:)



Now THAT'S funny!
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March 23rd, 2012 at 11:16:47 AM permalink
How come Boymimbo is restricted?
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March 23rd, 2012 at 11:37:45 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

How come Boymimbo is restricted?




because of this post:

Boymimbo's not so nice post
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March 23rd, 2012 at 11:43:47 AM permalink
Quote: WongBo

because of this post:

Boymimbo's not so nice post



I saw it. I think 'screw off' can be taken as 'to heck
with you guys' and isn't necessarily a bad expression.
Boymimbo has been here a long time and makes good
posts, I don't think he would say something he meant
as a real insult. Its like if you're out drinking with your
friends and they're making fun of you about something
and you say "Hey, screw you guys". Nobody is insulted,
its meant in a non insulting way. I'm just sayin...
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March 23rd, 2012 at 11:53:34 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I saw it. I think 'screw off' can be taken as 'to heck with you guys'



I didn't interpret it that way. I thought he BM was quite mad and meant what he wrote. However, I don't deny he is a good member. It is just that being a good member doesn't necessarily buy a longer leash. If anything, more should be expected of the more active members, to set a good example.
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March 23rd, 2012 at 12:19:28 PM permalink
I know the Wizard is almighty here and I do not want to discuss about his decisions, he does what he's got to do in order to keep this board in a high level.
However, IMHO, people are getting too sensible in this forum.
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March 23rd, 2012 at 12:21:50 PM permalink
i think you mean too sensitive...i haven't seen evidence that they are getting too sensible...
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March 23rd, 2012 at 12:41:02 PM permalink
Quote: WongBo

i think you mean too sensitive...i haven't seen evidence that they are getting too sensible...



I thought the same thing. One of the most dreaded false cognates in Spanish is that in Spanish sensible means sensitive. We know from the SWD thread that aluisio is no stranger to the language.
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March 23rd, 2012 at 1:03:20 PM permalink
Even though I completely missed it the first time around, I understand what the Wiz is doing here.


The full sentence in question was "So screw off everyone." This could easily have been "Screw you." It's an outward expression of anger.

On the flip side, "Screw me," could have had the same effect within the context of the post, but it is an inward expression of anger and therefore, probably would not have earned him the suspension.


Bear in mind that the Wiz is pretty easy going regarding some of the language that gets thrown about from time to time. Boymimbo's suspension is a reminder to all of us that we should think twice before posting something potentially offending.
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March 23rd, 2012 at 2:12:38 PM permalink
Just as a public service announcement, I would like to draw attention to this part of the official Forum Rules (2.0):
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Keep it PG. No pornographic or violent images or text. Profanity is not specifically prohibited, but should be used sparingly to emphasize a point only, or in quoting another.


As one who is known to drop an F-Bomb from time to time (as most of my other Internet hangouts couldn't give a...darn), I try to use profanity sparingly when I'm really upset or trying to emphatically make a point. Like about the season finale of Lost :).

Although I would like to make a suggestion to the Wiz and JB: perhaps change the rule above to PG-13? I believe many words are off-limits in PG movies. PG-13 movies, as I recall, are allowed to drop one singular F-Bomb. This seems in line with the spirit of the profanity rules here.
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March 23rd, 2012 at 2:29:50 PM permalink
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March 23rd, 2012 at 2:39:23 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I didn't interpret it that way. I thought he BM was quite mad and meant what he wrote. However, I don't deny he is a good member. It is just that being a good member doesn't necessarily buy a longer leash. If anything, more should be expected of the more active members, to set a good example.


Isn't boymimbo from Canada? Slang is different there. "Screw off" is an equivalent to "bugger off" (i.e. "go away, leave me alone, take a hike") not "screw you" or "go f*** yourself".
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March 23rd, 2012 at 2:42:46 PM permalink
he shouldn't have been so thin-skinned about the criticism of his table games grid.
i didn't say anything before but there wasn't even a column for midi-baccarat which i have played almost everywhere in AC...
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March 23rd, 2012 at 3:19:34 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

Isn't boymimbo from Canada?



Canada? Thats a different story. He should
get a 3 day suspension just because of that.

Canadians....
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March 23rd, 2012 at 3:20:56 PM permalink
I find the above post highly insulting and am very offended by it.

Some of my best friends are Canadian.
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March 23rd, 2012 at 3:33:50 PM permalink
Quote: thecesspit

Some of my best friends are Canadian.



Thats because you live in Canada.
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March 24th, 2012 at 5:30:40 AM permalink
Quote: WongBo

i think you mean too sensitive...i haven't seen evidence that they are getting too sensible...



Thanks! It's really my bad, you are right I meant sensitive!

And regarding the false cognate comment from Wizard you are also totally right. Sorry again!
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March 24th, 2012 at 6:00:50 AM permalink
I think the punishment was too harsh. Free Boymimbo!!!

Of course, in the grand scheme of things the punishment isn't really that bad... Not posting for 3 days isn't really harmful. I do it all the time...
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March 24th, 2012 at 6:47:12 AM permalink
Quote: AcesAndEights


Although I would like to make a suggestion to the Wiz and JB: perhaps change the rule above to PG-13? I believe many words are off-limits in PG movies. PG-13 movies, as I recall, are allowed to drop one singular F-Bomb. This seems in line with the spirit of the profanity rules here.



I would say please do not do this. Last thing the internet needs, or the world for that matter, is more profanity dropped in more places. Yes, I know the excuse is, "one f-bmb won't destroy the world." But one becomes many. Then the place becomes aother huffingtonpost where people seem to think they get paid a bonus for each expletive. And expletives tend to produce more and more rage, which feeds on itself.

Another point here is that teaching yourself to make your point strongly without profanity is good mind exercise. Any mamaluke can drop a bunch of "bleep this and bleep you"-s into a post and sound tough. The smart person is able to describe their point with good thought. And the really smart person knows he or she has "won" the argument when they do this and make their point and the other party resorts to a bunch of profanity, which usually contains some name calling.

So to sum up, keep the 1960s-level TV Censorship/PG-13 ruleset, please. If someone wants to drop F-bombs there is Usenet and Youtube, among other places.



SIDE NOTE: On the subject of words in movies, I think that has changed over the years. Here is the latest from MPAA on it:

A motion picture痴 single use of one of the harsher sexually-derived words, though only as an expletive, initially requires at least a PG-13 rating. More than one such expletive requires an R rating, as must even one of those words used in a sexual context
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March 26th, 2012 at 9:14:49 AM permalink
I'm back.

I'm not going to apologize for my comments on Friday. Earlier in the thread, someone asked which casinos had PGP and PGTiles. I responded by spending a hour creating a table in Excel of all authorized table games in Atlantic City, as I was expected someone to ask, "what about Bacarrat tables? What about Blackjack?". Frankly, there are only a handful members that take time out to do research. Paco, MathExtremist, Crystal, the Wizard himself, Miplet, are the first few to come to mind. These people only enrich the site and make it a valuable resource for gambling (and other things) on the internets.

So, I publish the table, and what do I get? Criticism. One from Paco, who himself plenty of meaningless tables that I generally don't criticize. Fine.

Another set from WongBo, who stated (in my words) that the grid was wrong and stated how they were different from his own experience. WongBo, feel free to walk through each casino in AC and publish your table game count by casino. Until then, the best I have to go on, and the best that this site has to go on is the monthly revenue reports from the gaming commission in New Jersey itself. Midi-bac is not listed on the revenue report as it is lumped in with either Baccarat or mini-bacarrat.

So, yeah, I was miffed that my research was criticized. Perhaps I was already in a bad mood.

I spend alot of time on this forum. Much of this time is spent researching and trying to enrich the site overall. I've done (and been paid for) hotel reviews. I've been respectful to our delusional roulette/craps advantage players (mrjjj), our resident right wingers (AZ, JerryLogan), and our crumudgeony old guy (Bob -- thanks for your support, btw). I've been with the forum from the start and have tried to keep an open mind and be respectful to most.

That said, is "screw off everyone" a reason to ban a long time member with no warnings in the past? I don't think so. The Wizard and I of course disagree. The only thing I can think of is that he was quite offended and surprised by the comment which usually doesn't come from me and that he wanted to set an example. Fine. My feeling is that a warning was probably justified, but it's his site.

I'll just remember the ban the next time the Wizard is looking for information on license plates or someone else is looking for data.
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March 26th, 2012 at 9:29:09 AM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

I'm back.



Welcome back.

I hope you won't leave the baord on account of that incident.
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March 26th, 2012 at 9:30:01 AM permalink
Welcome back. I completely understand your feelings.
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March 26th, 2012 at 9:46:47 AM permalink
hey boymimbo, i am glad you are back, i was not offended by your comment and was not in favor of your restriction.
i am sorry you took my observation as criticism, it was not my intention to criticize your effort.
i was merely pointing out that there seemed to be a discrepancy in the totals for baccarat.
when data is inaccurate it unfortunately has the effect of undermining confidence.
your report was not sourced and i think that also undermines people's confidence in accuracy.
i do appreciate your effort and your other posts, i would hope that you not take things so personally;
it is just a fact of life that people are skeptical of unsourced material that is contrary to their own observations.
it is not a judgment on you or your efforts
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March 26th, 2012 at 9:52:49 AM permalink
No offence taken, WongBo.

Actually, the table was sourced (click on "Here)

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Quote: boymimbo

AC Games as of Februrary 29, 2012 -- source - Monthly Revenue report: Here



The link is to the AC monthly revenue report and was in with the original table that I posted.
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March 26th, 2012 at 9:57:54 AM permalink
oh yeah, sorry
i take back what i said about sourcing.
any inaccuracy was a result of the source then.
(even more reason for you to not take it personally).
thanks for your efforts and keep it up!
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March 26th, 2012 at 10:24:24 AM permalink
Welcome back boymimbo, we appreciate your efforts. Keep up the good work!
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March 28th, 2012 at 11:00:27 AM permalink
Hacker123 joined this forum on March 12th and is once again polluting it with spam. I know he didn't tell anyone to screw off but shouldn't he be banned?
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April 9th, 2012 at 9:33:51 AM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

That said, is "screw off everyone" a reason to ban a long time member with no warnings in the past? I don't think so. The Wizard and I of course disagree. The only thing I can think of is that he was quite offended and surprised by the comment which usually doesn't come from me and that he wanted to set an example. Fine. My feeling is that a warning was probably justified, but it's his site.

I'll just remember the ban the next time the Wizard is looking for information on license plates or someone else is looking for data.



Welcome back. I don't expect an apology, and I'm not issuing one either. However, I hope that you're not too mad, and we can get past this in time. Yes, I was quite surprised and shocked at the comment. I'm also not big on warnings, and seldom issue them. My philosophy of policing the site is more like a cop who picks a random place and time to do a stake-out for speeders. I know others have done much worse and never been suspended, but I don't have the time and energy to read every post. In fact, I read about 5% of them only.

I also am not big giving otherwise good members a longer leash. If anything, more is expected of them, and thus they have a shorter one. I'll also say that I concede yours was a borderline case, and maybe I was in a bad mood that day too. I understand I won't be getting a Nunavut license plate from you for my birthday next month, but hopefully we can laugh about this sometime. If it is of any consolation, I banned JimMorrison, and he is a personal friend of mine.
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April 9th, 2012 at 9:36:45 AM permalink
I was banned? I had forgotten already. No hard feelings, of course.
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April 9th, 2012 at 9:53:13 AM permalink
I added JyBrd0403 to the Suspension List yesterday for a week.
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April 15th, 2012 at 8:14:18 AM permalink
I had to give BuzzPaff three days for personal insults, profanity, and general ungentlemanly behavior in the Career Advice thread. After I felt I handled the BoyMimbo suspension badly I sent Buzz a warning by PM. He asked to be banned for three days, which I thought was big of him, so I am doing so.

Let this be a reminder that gentlemanly behavior is expected of all here, especially of the long-timers, who should be setting a good example. Also, using punctuation marks to thinly veil profanity, especially if done as an insult, does not cut it with me.
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April 15th, 2012 at 11:54:18 AM permalink
So he only got suspended because he asked for it? He had already gotten a pass for his," SCREW YOU" remark to a couple of us in the Blackjack Tipping thread on April 10th.
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April 15th, 2012 at 6:50:35 PM permalink
Quote: 1BB

So he only got suspended because he asked for it? He had already gotten a pass for his," SCREW YOU" remark to a couple of us in the Blackjack Tipping thread on April 10th.



I didn't know that. I was going to suspend him anyway. Buzz is has a long track record as a good member, but he seems to be a different person last week. Hopefully he will behave better upon returning.

In other news I gave i0r0retardod 30 days for this post.
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April 15th, 2012 at 6:54:18 PM permalink
I lost a bet with myself. I bet somebody who, on purpose,
has 'retard' in his user name wouldn't last 25 posts. It
took 47, I'm so embarrassed..
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April 16th, 2012 at 9:14:34 AM permalink
i0r0retardod was just upgraded from 30 days to the nuclear option, and he knows why.

Let me just say that if any member doesn't like how I police this site, tough! Nobody is forcing you to stay. There are plenty of other forums out there.
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April 16th, 2012 at 9:17:57 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

i0r0retardod was just upgraded from 30 days to the nuclear option, and he knows why.



I can't say I'm surprised. I can say I've a pretty good guess as to why.
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April 16th, 2012 at 9:51:57 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I didn't know that. I was going to suspend him anyway. Buzz is has a long track record as a good member, but he seems to be a different person last week. Hopefully he will behave better upon returning.

In other news I gave i0r0retardod 30 days for this post.



Of course I do get a kick out of a certain definition.......a person here is a 'good member' just as long they go along (agree) with the masses. Individual thought/ideas will be dealt with swiftly.

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April 16th, 2012 at 9:57:35 AM permalink
I'm naive when it comes to forum technology, but can't someone just sign up with a different user name and use some sort of IP trick if they were so inclined?
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April 16th, 2012 at 10:00:16 AM permalink
Quote: mrjjj

Of course I do get a kick out of a certain definition.......a person here is a 'good member' just as long they go along (agree) with the masses. Individual thought/ideas will be dealt with swiftly.



That's BS and you know it.
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April 16th, 2012 at 10:05:12 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Buzz is has a long track record as a good member, but he seems to be a different person last week. Hopefully he will behave better upon returning.

I think he's over-stressed about his presentation in the SHFL Focus Group. Or about how the game will perform against the competition.


Quote: mrjjj

.......a person here is a 'good member' just as long they go along (agree) with the masses. Individual thought/ideas will be dealt with swiftly.

We all love a good argument, and there's nothing wrong with that.

It's when the argument itself turns ugly that the problems occur.


Quote: FinsRule

I'm naive when it comes to forum technology, but can't someone just sign up with a different user name and use some sort of IP trick if they were so inclined?

Yeah, but generally, only spammers will go thru the hoops of getting around that. Normal members will take their lumps and wait out the suspension.
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April 16th, 2012 at 10:11:31 AM permalink
Quote: Nareed

That's BS and you know it.



Not true! If everyone here says that 2+2=4 and I said that 2+2=fish, I'm quite sure that I'd be mocked:-)
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