Discussion about the Suspension List
Quote: WizardStatement on the Banning of JuicieJennie (version 4.3)
On October 26, 2011, Statman was nuked for reasons of events that happened outside of the forum. I don’t think anybody missed him and nobody ever asked for details. On February 18, 2014, I invoked this option a second time against on JuicieJennie (JJ). Letting it go unnoticed is not a luxury I have this time.
Yesterday JuicieJennie was in town and I was on the Strip too with both a lunch and dinner appointment. With time to kill, I agreed to meet her in between my appointments to play some blackjack. She was uncomfortable with the ratio of her bankroll to the table minimum and generally singing the blues about money. As an advocate of playing within one's means, I made a deal with her regarding splitting any win or loss. Given that she has written that she likes blackjack and accepts “chippies” from her male playing companions, I probably should have been on guard for what happened next.
Suffice it to say, this turned into a huge misunderstanding and an enormous argument ensued over how much was won/lost and how it should be shared. Both parties got very angry and it ended up with her being banned from the site in the heat of the moment. Hours after the blow up she offered via text to return the money that I felt was unfairly paid to her, while admitting no fault, in the interests of making peace.
I think we could both agree that it was unfortunate that things ended so badly over a dispute of about $40. However, in my "Great Leap Forward" plan, I think the forum would be a better place without JJ. Thus, the nuclear option, which was invoked in the heat of anger, will remain. Let the record show that JJ leaves the forum under protest and that I make no public accusations against her character.
That's a very unfortunate set of circumstances. I've been on both sides of the argument regarding sharing splits. Other than the high-stakes pool at WovCon East, I'll probably never do a pool like that again. I'm glad things are mostly resolved between the two of you now. I guess this means there won't be a new equivalent of the Marlton Fake Math Gazette's Shackleford expose?
(Can't blame the Wizard for nuking her though. I would too!)
Quote: BozWith ALL due respect, I really cannot believe you would ever put yourself in that situation. Most of us could have seen something like this coming a mile away with any dealings with her. And you are far smarter than me.
She was supposedly going to do some modeling for WoO/WoV. He has to meet her in person at some point for that.
Quote: WizardStatement on the Banning of JuicieJennie (version 4.3)
On October 26, 2011, Statman was nuked for reasons of events that happened outside of the forum. I don’t think anybody missed him and nobody ever asked for details. On February 18, 2014, I invoked this option a second time against on JuicieJennie (JJ). Letting it go unnoticed is not a luxury I have this time.
Yesterday JuicieJennie was in town and I was on the Strip too with both a lunch and dinner appointment. With time to kill, I agreed to meet her in between my appointments to play some blackjack. She was uncomfortable with the ratio of her bankroll to the table minimum and generally singing the blues about money. As an advocate of playing within one's means, I made a deal with her regarding splitting any win or loss. Given that she has written that she likes blackjack and accepts “chippies” from her male playing companions, I probably should have been on guard for what happened next.
Suffice it to say, this turned into a huge misunderstanding and an enormous argument ensued over how much was won/lost and how it should be shared. Both parties got very angry and it ended up with her being banned from the site in the heat of the moment. Hours after the blow up she offered via text to return the money that I felt was unfairly paid to her, while admitting no fault, in the interests of making peace.
I think we could both agree that it was unfortunate that things ended so badly over a dispute of about $40. However, in my "Great Leap Forward" plan, I think the forum would be a better place without JJ. Thus, the nuclear option, which was invoked in the heat of anger, will remain. Let the record show that JJ leaves the forum under protest and that I make no public accusations against her character.
Mike:
I am sorry to have had this happen to you. I am sure that you have dealt face to face with many members of the website over the years, and I am sure that most of them have been pleasant experiences for all parties.
Please do not let the actions of one meeting color your thoughts about future meet-ups.
SFB
That said, jennie was obviously a chippie hustler...I imagine she got very upset when she didn't get as many chippies as she wanted and i am sure the argument was not pretty.
Quote: Wizard
I make no public accusations against her character.
I'm glad that you don't have a chippie on your shoulder over the whole affair.
Quote: WizardGiven that she has written that she likes blackjack and accepts “chippies” from her male playing companions, I probably should have been on guard for what happened next.
Yes. Yes you should have.
Quote: BozWith ALL due respect, I really cannot believe you would ever put yourself in that situation. Most of us could have seen something like this coming a mile away with any dealings with her. And you are far smarter than me.
From what I see, the Wizard took one for the team, here. So much talk about was she real. Yup, she is. He met her. She hinted she hustles for chips at the start, but later denied it; he proved it. He made a partnership deal for her to play, allowing her to claim she didn't have the bankroll to gamble (we'll never know if that was true), seeing who she was as a gambler. She (my word, not his) cheated him on their agreement as partners after they played. And he got rid of her before she could keep working this forum for patsies (old Buzz word). I would say the forum owes him a thank you, because she was working more than a few of the guys.
Since American Hustler came out, Abscam is no longer ancient history in scandal land. So I would call this ChippieScam or ChipScam.
I know the Wiz said that he won't be discussing the matter. I was wondering if I could ask one question though.
Mike, did you feel like she was hustling you and if indeed the answer is yes, is that part of the reason for the nuke?
It could have been a misunderstanding because perhaps English is not her first language?
Anyway, a bad situation to be caught in either way!
LOL!!Quote: Mission146I'm glad that you don't have a chippie on your shoulder over the whole affair.
The Wizard should have just let djatc meet her first. :DQuote: beachbumbabs...because she was working more than a few of the guys.
(J/K, djatc.....lol)
Quote: beachbumbabsSo I would call this ChippieScam or ChipScam.
Chippie Chippie Ban Ban
Quote: Mission146I'm glad that you don't have a chippie on your shoulder over the whole affair.
I have known a few Jennie's over my life. Some in bars or strip clubs on the block in Baltimore when I was a young man. A few at the Houston Petroleum Club later on. Even one in Aspen. I hope everything works out for her. The problem is when you are pretty and have a bubbly personality, the chippies are free. But so are the druggies. Not very many happy ending for the jj's of the world by age 40. If they live that long SIGH
Thank you Mike for taking one for the team.
https://wizardofodds.com/gambling/panama/
Quote: WizardFinally, let me warn my fellow male American players of a trick I will refer to as the Double Down Hustle. Based on my experience, the perpetrator is always female and usually young and attractive. The victim was me, but probably any lonely looking man will do, preferably a Gringo.
After rat-holing chips (discretely hiding them), the perpetrator bets more than half but less than all of her remaining chips on the table. For example, if she had $15 in front of her, she would bet $10. If a double down play comes along she feigns nervousness about making a full double down bet and asks the victim if he wants to make up the difference, up to a full double. To continue the example, she bets $10, puts up $5 for her own double, and offers the victim a chance to put up $5 of his own money. Since every proper double down play has a positive expected value, this may seem like a great offer.
Should you accept, at first the perpetrator will likely give back your bet and winnings if the bet wins. This would serve not just to build trust, but also to break the ice and engage you in conversation. Eventually, she may angle for a handout after she pretends to bust – remember, she is rat-holing chips. Or, she may start paying less than a full amounts on winning double and split wagers.
I must admit, I went along with this a bit longer than I should have in one case, in the name of a paid Spanish lesson and boredom. In my experience, you are most likely to experience the Double Down Hustle at the Veneto, but it was attempted on me at the Royal casino as well.
Quote: beachbumbabsShe hinted she hustles for chips at the start, but later denied it; he proved it.
So it was a social experiment that went awry. I think
they covered this in the GI instruction films they
showed troops going to Europe in WWII. That's the
problem, the Wiz was never in WWII. Solving that
was easy, next problem please..
Quote: sodawaterChippie Chippie Ban Ban
Although based on some of the other guesses,
Chippie Chippie Bang Bang
would also have been under consideration.....
Quote: WizardStatement on the Banning of JuicieJennie (version 4.3)
On October 26, 2011, Statman was nuked for reasons of events that happened outside of the forum. I don’t think anybody missed him and nobody ever asked for details. On February 18, 2014, I invoked this option a second time against on JuicieJennie (JJ). Letting it go unnoticed is not a luxury I have this time.
Yesterday JuicieJennie was in town and I was on the Strip too with both a lunch and dinner appointment. With time to kill, I agreed to meet her in between my appointments to play some blackjack. She was uncomfortable with the ratio of her bankroll to the table minimum and generally singing the blues about money. As an advocate of playing within one's means, I made a deal with her regarding splitting any win or loss. Given that she has written that she likes blackjack and accepts “chippies” from her male playing companions, I probably should have been on guard for what happened next.
Suffice it to say, this turned into a huge misunderstanding and an enormous argument ensued over how much was won/lost and how it should be shared. Both parties got very angry and it ended up with her being banned from the site in the heat of the moment. Hours after the blow up she offered via text to return the money that I felt was unfairly paid to her, while admitting no fault, in the interests of making peace.
I think we could both agree that it was unfortunate that things ended so badly over a dispute of about $40. However, in my "Great Leap Forward" plan, I think the forum would be a better place without JJ. Thus, the nuclear option, which was invoked in the heat of anger, will remain. Let the record show that JJ leaves the forum under protest and that I make no public accusations against her character.
That really tops it. Now that is DRAMA.
Okay now I see the huge fuss over this. Yeah she is a looker but a train wreck waiting to happen if you fall for it. Girls like her are a dime a dozen in Vegas. If you are someone who associated with her in any way hopefully you wise up quickly and run.
Quote: CrystalMathI did want to know what happened to statman at the time, but it wasn't important enough to ask; after all, I didn't miss him.
See, this is reason number 83 why I love you, CM. Out of all that, you care about the undercard.
Quote: BuzzardI have known a few Jennie's over my life. Some in bars or strip clubs on the block in Baltimore when I was a young man. A few at the Houston Petroleum Club later on. Even one in Aspen. I hope everything works out for her. The problem is when you are pretty and have a bubbly personality, the chippies are free. But so are the druggies. Not very many happy ending for the jj's of the world by age 40. If they live that long SIGH
People are responsible for their own decisions, it would not shock me to discover that her personality is only as bubbly as the depth of the wallet of her companion at the time.
Quote: BuzzardI have known a few Jennie's over my life. Some in bars or strip clubs on the block in Baltimore when I was a young man. A few at the Houston Petroleum Club later on. Even one in Aspen. I hope everything works out for her. The problem is when you are pretty and have a bubbly personality, the chippies are free. Not very many happy ending for the jj's of the world by age 40. If they live that long...and most don't, if I have anything to do with it. SIGH
I couldn't agree more. How many JJs of the world have died by your hands? Just curious.
Also, I don't get why anyone would give this lady chips. I'm still out 2k from partially reimbursing a check of hers that later bounced. Live and learn I suppose.
The fact that she's in that mode 100% of the time is a huge turn off.. And the folks at Miss Mint should invoke a character clause.
If I could switch my vote to that promising Russian girl I would.
Quote: Mission146People are responsible for their own decisions, it would not shock me to discover that her personality is only as bubbly as the depth of the wallet of her companion at the time.
Actually Mission, you may be right. But I have known exceptions. I do know that beautiful women sometimes just never grow up, for lack of better words. Remember how stupid you were and your value system was what you were a teenager or young man. If not, Face can tell you.
Now imagine no matter how stupid a girl is, guys will agree with you as long as there is the slightest chance of getting into your pants.
Fact is a guy will say something stupid and get " Are you NUTs " or " You stupid idiot ". The hot looking girl or woman hears " Well, some people agree with that " or " You might have a point". etc.
I have known women who actually believed the guys sharing drugs would have shared them with an ugly woman.
Explain to me what the hell the woman was thinking who asked me to take her dog, because he boyfriend was kicking it. Then went back to him and he killed her a few months later.
Jennie was just being Jennie. Not saying she was right. Just that she was only being Jennie.
Quote: nmacgreI couldn't agree more. How many JJs of the world have died by your hands? Just curious.
Also, I don't get why anyone would give this lady chips. I'm still out 2k from partially reimbursing a check of hers that later bounced. Live and learn I suppose.
Not a one. Have saved a few even. Saved Karen her job when i was a shop steward at AT&T by getting 2nd level to scare her into a rehab program. Tried to save Barb by telling her if I started a pool on how long till she was terminated. I could not sell anything over 30 days. 6 days later I beat supervisor down to 1st floor by running down stairs as he took elevator, pushed her into cab, went to hospital. 5 days later she was fired.
Hate to see anyone stuck for 2k. Have seen JJ wreck marriages, destroy families. But in almost all cases JJ pay the price, sooner or later.
They give her chips because it makes them happy to do so.
Quote: BuzzardJennie was just being Jennie. Not saying she was right. Just that she was only being Jennie.
That's what they said about Dillinger too.
Quote: Buzzard
Jennie was just being Jennie. Not saying she was right. Just that she was only being Jennie.
Well, now Jennie can go be Jennie somewhere else.
I made a number of stupid decisions when I was younger, and I'm certainly not flawless now, but whatever the result of those bad decisions would have been on my shoulders alone. Besides, her profile said she is 27, it's about that time to find something else to do.
Quote: EvenBobThat's what they said about Dillinger too.
He is still being persecuted, probably by the feds.
His gravestone has had to be replaced several times because of vandalism by people chipping off pieces as souvenirs.
Quote: Mission146Well, now Jennie can go be Jennie somewhere else.
I made a number of stupid decisions when I was younger, and I'm certainly not flawless now, but whatever the result of those bad decisions would have been on my shoulders alone. Besides, her profile said she is 27, it's about that time to find something else to do.
Not until she gets lines on her face. Or the drugs start taking their toll. Perhaps her Prince Charming will come, but I doubt it.
Quote: Mission146I'd actually be a little surprised if she were on drugs...
I would be absolutely shocked if she were not !!!!!!!!
This is a business model.
Quote: Mission146I'd actually be a little surprised if she were on drugs...
I agree. She looks too good to be on anything too damaging.
Quote: Mission146Her looks would have went to Hell already. We have all kinds of H in this area, it's over for your looks before you hit 25.
Hey , recreational use takes a while to show up. Ever see some of movie stars on TV or in a movie just filmed before rehab. Aint talking Meth or crack here !
None of us know exactly what happened (beyond what the Wizard said), and he had the good taste to write his statement in a fairly unbiased way, and steer clear from making attacks on JJ's character.
Quote: Mission146I'd actually be a little surprised if she were on drugs...
No pictures of any designer drugs on her Instagram account - so - probably not a user.
Quote: BuzzardHe is still being persecuted, probably by the feds.
.
Was he ever proven to be a relative of yours
or was that just a rumor started by the press.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceThe Wizard made his decision, and it is what it is, but I think it's a little classless (at best) to be opining publicly on JJ's character at this point, especially since she is not able to defend herself.
None of us know exactly what happened (beyond what the Wizard said), and he had the good taste to write his statement in a fairly unbiased way, and steer clear from making attacks on JJ's character.
I agree with you more often than not, Ax, but in this case, I think there needs to be some discussion, and no one has crossed a line that I've seen as to classless. macgre just reported in that he got taken by a bad check of hers as well, so that's 2 members she treated in a predatory manner. She lost her right to a voice in this when she acted less than honorably to people who take honor and integrity in gaming very seriously. So there needs to be a bit of steam blown off, then we can all move on, including JJ.
Quote: PuckerbuttHe was kidding about the bad check.
No doubt, he has been making jokes from the beginning about the situation. Nothing wrong with that.....
To each his own!
Quote: PuckerbuttHe was kidding about the bad check.
Ok, thanks for clearing that up. He was on and on about that at one point, then went silent, so I wasn't sure what that was about.
Quote: beachbumbabsOk, thanks for clearing that up. He was on and on about that at one point, then went silent, so I wasn't sure what that was about.
It's a reference to a joke that he made early on in one of the JJ threads. It's intentionally vague, though. Funny stuff.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceThe Wizard made his decision, and it is what it is, but I think it's a little classless (at best) to be opining publicly on JJ's character at this point, especially since she is not able to defend herself.
None of us know exactly what happened (beyond what the Wizard said), and he had the good taste to write his statement in a fairly unbiased way, and steer clear from making attacks on JJ's character.
I agree with babs. The Wizard said just enough for us to understand exactly what happened, without going into unnecessary detail or attacking her character. This episode basically cements what we already knew about her. I doubt he would've left out anything important.
If you think it's in poor taste to discuss the reasoning for a suspension, then why would you be reading/posting in a thread basically dedicated to that type of discussion?
Quote: michael99000If you think it's in poor taste to discuss the reasoning for a suspension, then why would you be reading/posting in a thread basically dedicated to that type of discussion?
We just want the juicy details...
Quote: michael99000I doubt he would've left out anything important.
He could have at least described what she was wearing.
