Discussion about the Suspension List

Quote: beachbumbabs

I agree with you more often than not, Ax, but in this case, I think there needs to be some discussion, and no one has crossed a line that I've seen as to classless. macgre just reported in that he got taken by a bad check of hers as well, so that's 2 members she treated in a predatory manner. She lost her right to a voice in this when she acted less than honorably to people who take honor and integrity in gaming very seriously. So there needs to be a bit of steam blown off, then we can all move on, including JJ.

I have to disagree with this. I'm new to the forum (joined yesterday/today) and this thread in particular seems to paint her as a drug addict and a thief without anyone giving evidence either way other than a bounced check (which I guess was a joke?) and Wizard's encounter which he has specifically said to let go. Just seems classless to keep going on at this point.

Quote: geoff

I have to disagree with this. I'm new to the forum (joined yesterday/today) and this thread in particular seems to paint her as a drug addict and a thief without anyone giving evidence either way other than a bounced check (which I guess was a joke?) and Wizard's encounter which he has specifically said to let go. Just seems classless to keep going on at this point.

I don't think anybody has or should paint her as anything except for a model from Cali who likes playing blackjack unless somebody other than Wiz has met her and has had some other interaction with her.

Everything else is pure speculation. I don't think she uses drugs and I don't think she will steal. I think she may be a hustler or perhaps a "trainee" hustler trying to take her looks out "for a spin".

Some people will fall for her whiles, some people will not. It takes both sides of the coin to make this world go round!

Quote: Puckerbutt

He could have at least described what she was wearing.

Had the Wiz fielded questions after the announcement, my first would've been.. Does she look as good in person

Quote: michael99000

Had the Wiz fielded questions after the announcement, my first would've been.. Does she look as good in person

It's rather unfair he didn't post any pics of
her with him. I don't like her much, but she
looks pretty darn good.

Quote: EvenBob

It's rather unfair he didn't post any pics of
her with him. I don't like her much, but she
looks pretty darn good.

How could you like or dislike someone you DIDN'T THINK WAS REAL? Shall I did up the quote where you said, someone meeting up with her will never happen, because she is not real?

My remarks were aimed at the jj's of the world. Not our former member. I hope I am wrong about drugs, but I seriously doubt it.
If you think her journey in life is going to have a happy ending, I think you are naive. Just my opinion, but the only one
I have had too much experience with the jj's of the world.

what I want to know is can an unattractive young man of his late 20's hustle some chips as well? Or should I stick to getting death glares from LOL's who play bingo when I have 50000000 cards?

Quote: EvenBob

Was he ever proven to be a relative of yours
or was that just a rumor started by the press.

John Dillinger and his gang robbed two dozen banks and four police stations.

I would be proud to be a relative of a guy who robbed not 1, not 2, not 3, but 4 police stations. I hope he spent that money romancing the lady in the orange dress !

Quote: djatc

what I want to know is can an unattractive young man of his late 20's hustle some chips as well?

LOL

Actually, that's not true though. Wasn't somebody famous checking you out at the Plaza? ;)

Quote: Tomspur

I think she may be a hustler or perhaps a "trainee" hustler trying to take her looks out "for a spin".

Some people will fall for her whiles, some people will not. It takes both sides of the coin to make this world go round!

This board is kind of about hustling the casino. Well, the casinos don't usually think a lot of that either or they'd help all the ap players out instead of acting like they don't like it.

Hustle vs. hustle. Who should throw stones around here?

Quote: Beethoven9th

LOL

Actually, that's not true though. Wasn't somebody famous checking you out at the Plaza? ;)

I prefer the same method as juicy j: members of the opposite sex giving me chippies to make me win some high house edge side bets :)

Preferably of the MILF persuasion but I'm not too picky.

Wizard should have asked JJ for some chippies before she had a chance to ask him.

Quote: djatc

I prefer the same method as juicy j: members of the opposite sex giving me chippies to make me win some high house edge side bets :)

Preferably of the MILF persuasion but I'm not too picky.

Never took you for a milf hunter but to each their own hey, hey :)

Quote: Tomspur

Never took you for a milf hunter but to each their own hey, hey :)

Chip hustling is all about finding the best demographic with disposable income. I'm sure their alimony payments would be put to good use nurturing a young mind, hey hey!

Quote: djatc

Chip hustling is all about finding the best demographic with disposable income. I'm sure their alimony payments would be put to good use nurturing a young mind, hey hey!

We better stop using "hey, hey".....sox is gonna get mad at us :)

There was no way we could have known the JuicieJennie saga would end like this.

Quote: sodawater

There was no way we could have known the JuicieJennie saga would end like this.

Perhaps she was talking about the type of "chippies" you find in a Fretos bag?

What Wizard forgot to mention is that he and Jennie eventually reconciled and played some craps together. But that ended just as badly:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=N-o-Rc_wZkg#t=109

This all sounds like a pay to play set up. LOL.

I am sure you all know there is a word for that!

Damn. RolexWatch/egalite would have a field day with this one. Geez. Why did you have to post that non-sense reply in gr8's Vegas thread to get yourself banned!?!?!?!?!

A good pool hustler knows not to go into a town and knock off the top dog first. If u do that u won't get any action from anyone else. If anything let the whole town see u get your butt spanked by the top dog, albeit for chump change. Its best to start with the lower rung of players and working your way up the list. Next time, Jennie, save the top dog for last.

You should of just taken the money out of her modeling money. Sucks to hear she was so ballsy not respecting you. I'm sure some of these guys wouldn't be bothered with paying for a legitimate escort friend and she blew it.

Ok I have another couple questions, this time not directed at the Wiz,

1) Do you think Jennie will re-appear on these boards under another pseudonym and hidden by a VPN of some sorts? Does she have the ability to pull that off?
2) Was she alone in Vegas? Do you guys the the Wiz was ever under any type of threat or external surveillance from her boyfriend, friend, cameraman?

Well done Wizard, and kudos for sticking to your principles and not backing down. My hope is you'll consider a similar path with other users as rdw suggests below.

Quote: rdw4potus

Waaaaaait...HB thinks you're biased and unfair AGAINST her? Wow. I don't think anyone else on this board would ever agree with that. Maybe you should consider treating HB like one of the boys & see how she likes that?

@babs - As best I can tell you called JJ a cheater. While I'm glad you did, is this within the new insults guidelines, or are admins exempt, or does a newly nuked member lose protection?

Quote: Tomspur

1) Do you think Jennie will re-appear on these boards under another pseudonym and hidden by a VPN of some sorts? Does she have the ability to pull that off?

Doubt it. There aren't very many female trolls out there.

Quote: sunrise089

...does a newly nuked member lose protection?

Yep! (At least that's how it was in the past)

Quote: Beethoven9th

Doubt it. There aren't very many female trolls out there.

Here was my thought process.....

Perhaps she is interested to know what has been said about her here since the big departure so she enlists a groupy member and asks if there is any way she can read the site that has now sent her packing? I'm sure the groupy will be too happy to hook her up with whatever she needs and bobs your uncle.......

An boom goes the dynamite!!!

"Musty Mandy" is so born :0)

Quote: Tomspur

...she enlists a groupy member and asks if there is any way she can read the site that has now sent her packing?

She doesn't need to be a member to read the forums. Before I officially joined, I was a lurker for about a year and a half.

Quote: sodawater

What Wizard forgot to mention is that he and Jennie eventually reconciled and played some craps together. But that ended just as badly:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=N-o-Rc_wZkg#t=109

That's funny, but try taking another players chips
and throwing them in the air like that and see
what happens to you is a real casino.

Suspended members can still receive messages but can't respond I think. There still might be time to send JJ a message I think. There probably isn't enough attention for her to come back to read them though.

Quote: EvenBob

That's funny, but try taking another players chips
and throwing them in the air like that and see
what happens to you is a real casino.

the casino boss falls in love with you and gives you $2 million in a safe-deposit box to marry you?

Quote: Beethoven9th

She doesn't need to be a member to read the forums. Before I officially joined, I was a lurker for about a year and a half.

I'm with you. I was thinking that if you get nuked the site won't allow you access from that IP number but I'm trying to be too James Bond now.....you are right :)

Quote: rxwine

This board is kind of about hustling the casino. Well, the casinos don't usually think a lot of that either or they'd help all the ap players out instead of acting like they don't like it.

Hustle vs. hustle. Who should throw stones around here?

Speaking of hustling NO one got hustled, thanks in part to the Wizard social experiment. This looks like it was worth the cost of $40 as a test/interview/curiosity . Whether or not JJ intended to hustle him(bad idea) or this was a serious misunderstanding. It seems she failed in his eyes.

This may of saved me a big headache. I don't think I would have put myself in a situation where I could lose money. But, there could have been a possibility I would not get my fair share.

I was on the fence about meeting up with JJ.

JJ gave me her number(no I didn't PM her and ask for it) and we communicated Via text. I was thinking of using her for an AP opportunity, where we both could have made some money(I discussed this with my GF). I really wanted to have a group dinner first with a few friends/members, however it was hard to get a time and place set up on short notice. I knew JJ was coming however, there was a communication lag during her travel time and I tend to procrastinate.

I scratched dinner plans, but still wanted to explore meeting JJ(if for nothing else, 100% "con"-formation, she was real) and explore the AP opportunity. I felt I wanted Djatc or another friend/member(who wanted little to do with the situation in the first place) to accompany me. I didn't want a He said she said situation. Also wanted someone to watch my back/wallet or Vice versa. I have never been taken by some girl, but there is always a first time(*****es be crazy). So I intended to take DJ with me today(assuming he could get his ass up from a late night at Louie's).

It would seem that JJ and the wizard meet up before I had the chance(that bastard ;) I didn't want sloppy 100th .....this is a JOKE) . The nuke was a clear indication there was a serious problem.

SO, JJ text's me after the incident, the night in question, I told her plans were off until the situation was taken care of.

Some one asked what she was wearing. She did in fact buy a cute dress, or so she said.

What ever the case and what happened during the events surrounding JJ and Mike. I know one thing.... no matter what the deal was in regards to the events. Mike would have CLEARLY and emphatically came to a clear agreement(more so then the average person). He would have been absolutely sure she understood before proceeding. I would have NO doubt the confusion was mainly on JJ's part, and probably hers, and hers alone.(I doubt she normally makes deals, it's just free chippies upfront or during play).

Since I think Mike is an above average person, I can only imagine what would happen, if through his site, some average Joe, took a much bigger chance with JJ and things didn't turn out so well. He might get blamed and feel guilty for having JJ a, persuasive, attractive female, who is clearly controversial and mainly chippie driven, on his site. ( I'm sure some would say "grubbing")

I have a feeling this was a hard decision for him to make(Its to bad, We need a hot 100% honest chip hustler around here). I sounds if he is 100% sure what her intentions were or are(but, the gist of it is already known).

I have a feeling she is NOT a horrible person. I think normally she WILL give you half of any bets you place for her and she wins. I doubt she is out to rob you in the literal scene. I just think, the splits are normally lopsided in her favor, and then she wants a tip on top of that(Don't forget dinner)

Example of what could happen. Lets say you gave her $500 in chips to gamble with. You agreed to split the profit, now she wins $500. She now has $1000 and you quit. You will get your lopsided split and receive $500 total. Anything less for her may create a argument. (negotiation time;) reenactment of pizza prank, you're the delivery guy? )

I would have to think if someone was interested in playing Blackjack with JJ or someone like her, you have to do it on a Bet per bet split. You place the bet and split the win immediately(DO NOT LET CHIPS ACCUMULATE IN HER STACK)

Under them circumstance, I think a guy looking for some REAL fun and a WILD night, she may still be a great option. If anyone is still interested in her company, I might consider letting her know. I still have to think about that.

Quote: AxelWolf

So I intended to take DJ with me today(assuming he could get his ass up from a late night at Louie's).

LOL!!

Quote: Beethoven9th

Before I officially joined, I was a lurker for about a year and a half.

And we are still paying for it, for about a year and a half since.

Axel, I was wondering, why would you not use your GF for the AP opportunity? Does she not like gambling?

I think truth be told I don't think JJ is malicious in what she is attempting to do. She likes blackjack (or money) and found a loophole called WoV. She may have been told by a friend or just considered it herself.
She saw a gap and tried to go through. The problem is that Mike is no mug and she wasn't expecting what she got and obviously Mike never expected the push back either.

All in all I think it best to never mix business with pleasure. Keep your bankroll for gambling and have a separate stash for exploring other extra cirricular activities. I think you can have a good time on several levels in Vegas without having to front a girl money to gamble with.

Axel, I can put on a dress and join you for your opportunity....not sure how that would work out though :)

The one thing that would never happen to me is to end up like Lefty Rosenthal with Ginger. Never try to turn a hoe into a housewife. Chip hustlers will take every last bit of your money and leave you broke and destitute. If they love money more than I do they have big problems.

Quote: AxelWolf

And we are still paying for it, for about a year and a half since.

+10!

:D

Quote: AxelWolf

Example of what could happen. Lets say you gave her $500 in chips to gamble with. You agreed to split the profit, now she wins $500. She now has $1000 and you quit. You will get your lopsided split and receive $500 total. Anything less for her may create a argument. (negotiation time;) reenactment of pizza prank, you're the delivery guy? )

I would have to think if someone was interested in playing Blackjack with JJ or someone like her, you have to do it on a Bet per bet split. You place the bet and split the win immediately(DO NOT LET CHIPS ACCUMULATE IN HER STACK)

Under them circumstance, I think a guy looking for some REAL fun and a WILD night, she may still be a great option. If anyone is still interested in her company, I might consider letting her know. I still have to think about that.

Wow so not only did JJ give you a full explanation of how her chippie grubbing system works, she also put you in charge of booking her nights out.

Quote: AxelWolf

Under them circumstance, I think a guy looking for some REAL fun and a WILD night, she may still be a great option. If anyone is still interested in her company, I might consider letting her know. I still have to think about that.

Nah, man, I'm good on that, thank you.

Don't get me wrong, I was good on that before any of this happened, but I'm even more good on that now...lol

Quote: Tomspur

Axel, I was wondering, why would you not use your GF for the AP opportunity? Does she not like gambling?

Axel, I can put on a dress and join you for your opportunity....not sure how that would work out though :)

My GF Dose play for us on good things. And she is very smart and understands AP quite well. She dose not like to grind. 5 hrs on a grind play is usually her limit, unless its just a absolute giveaway. She trooped up and played about 13 hrs on something recently. (she got to bring her I pad so that helped)

She dose not like it as much as I do. Part of the fun is figuring out things, then applying them. She can figure out plays/things, but it becomes annoying to her when I find something better. I guess she thinks, why bother if your just going to do it better anyways, this is your thing. Unlike some people(DJ) you only have to show her or tell her once. She has made many plays on her own, when im out of town, or I don't feel its worth my time or I'm just lazy. She is risk-reverse way more then I am.

She sometimes feels out of the loop when im discussing things with other very strong AP's.

She wants something that is hers and hers alone. She also is not aggressive towards other people unless they piss her off.

In regards to the JJ play I was thinking about my GF is no longer eligible for that particular play.

Whats the dress look like?

Quote: AxelWolf

Whats the dress look like?

A little off the shoulder action, mini skirt.

My man hair and big arms could perhaps put a damper on the mood but then again, some pits may like it? :)

Saw a question while catching up, but not finding it to quote, sorry. The policy about what can be said about forum members does not apply to those former members who are permanently banned/nuked. This was emphasized some months ago by Wiz and Mission about another member who had to be banned, but I can't honestly recall where it was said. But that's the policy, from what I understand established well before I joined the board.

Regardless, I didn't call her a "cheater" (which I think of in a different context anyway) as you phrased it in asking if I should be suspended for it, I said she "cheated" him on their partnership agreement. That's my take on it from what the Wizard reported, and the fact that she tried to fix it later by offering him his money back verifies his telling of it (again in my opinion). I just didn't want to put words in his mouth. But I stand by how I described my take on what happened. I have played 3 times now with the Wizard at a table game myself, we pooled bets on some occasions (such as shared bank or sharing a hand), and it was all very straightforward. He's done this many times with other forum members as well. He's quite clear about how he does it, and I've not seen the slightest misunderstanding about dividing wins or losses. And with that, I'm moving off this subject.

Quote: Boz

With ALL due respect, I really cannot believe you would ever put yourself in that situation. Most of us could have seen something like this coming a mile away with any dealings with her. And you are far smarter than me.

A young woman joins a 99% male gambling forum with no intention of discussing gambling. She posts suggestive photos of herself as well as a stupid video in which she appears half naked. She freely admits that she accepts chips from old men, perhaps in exchange for her company. She communicates via this site and through text with a man old enough to be her father, not that there's anything wrong with that. They agree to meet and the whole thing goes south over 40 bucks? This tells me that the original version of this was much more telling than version 4.3.

I can't believe I'm asking this but why in the world was Jennifer banned? Was it for bruising the Wizard's ego, for having a brother/sister type argument or something more sinister? She came here, told us exactly what she does, met with the Wizard and did exactly what she does. I don't recall her ever misrepresenting herself.

I, for one, am happy to see her go, no matter the reason. I think all the nonsense has cheapened this site and made it look foolish. If there truly is a cleansing in progress here, I would suggest doing something with these threads. Lock them, delete them, or move them to DT. At the very least, delete Jennifer's photos and that stupid video, perhaps saving one photo of her for posterity.

Quote: RaleighCraps

Chippie Chippie Bang Bang

or Chippie Chippie Boom Boom for you 'Nam vets...

I stand by the appraisal I made the moment she arrived.

Quote: 1BB

She posts suggestive photos of herself as well as a stupid video in which she appears half naked.

Just a slight correction. She didn't post that video. Another member looked it up and posted it. Also, she did post photos of herself, but only after other members specifically asked her to. (I do agree though that after all that's gone down, it's probably better without her here)

Quote: 1BB

She communicates via this site and through text with a man old enough to be her father

Damn, no need to rub salt in the Wizard's wounds! lol

Quote: beachbumbabs

she was working more than a few of the guys.

More than a few of the guys fell all over themselves to get in line so they could get scammed IIRC, it was very obvious. Just sayin'

Quote: chickenman

More than a few of the guys fell all over themselves to get in line so they could get scammed IIRC, it was very obvious. Just sayin'

I have heard no such claims she scammed anyone.

Quote: 1BB

saving one photo of her for posterity.

or of her posterior ;-)
Sorry, 1BB, very good post but couldn't resist...

Quote: Beethoven9th

Just a slight correction. She didn't post that video. Another member looked it up and posted it. Also, she did post photos of herself, but only after other members specifically asked her to. (I do agree though that after all that's gone down, it's probably better without her here)


Damn, no need to rub salt in the Wizard's wounds! lol

I stand corrected. She didn't ask for the video to be taken down though. I'm older than the Wizard and if I wasn't married - oh well.

Quote: chickenman

or of her posterior ;-)
Sorry, 1BB, very good post but couldn't resist...

Just get a job delivering pizza. Extra sausage. :-)