Discussion about the Suspension List
Quote: KentryI know of a guy who was suspended for asking women questions about their private parts and came back under 16 accounts. So, it could be a lot worse.
Is that a clue to your real identity?
Quote: TheGrimReaper13The King (of England, or the country of your choice,) says, carry on.
Is tournament a country?
only supposed to follow the rule of
no personal insults, we're also to
follow the spirit of the rule. Meaning
we aren't in 4th grade where your
goal is to find a way around every
rule you're given to follow.
So some members say, well, I can't
insult someone blatantly, so I'll
skirt the rule by saying nasty things
and implying it's the person I
want to insult. That's going against
the spirit of the rule. It's what got
you sent to the principles office
in grade school, and what gets
you suspended here.
Quote: EvenBobI think the problem here is we're not
only supposed to follow the rule of
no personal insults, we're also to
follow the spirit of the rule. Meaning
we aren't in 4th grade where your
goal is to find a way around every
rule you're given to follow.
So some members say, well, I can't
insult someone blatantly, so I'll
skirt the rule by saying nasty things
and implying it's the person I
want to insult. That's going against
the spirit of the rule. It's what got
you sent to the principles office
in grade school, and what gets
you suspended here.
How can YOU even have the gonads to post this? NOBODY skirts the rules, and bates people right up to the line as much as you do.
Quote: EvenBobI think the problem here is we're not
only supposed to follow the rule of
no personal insults, we're also to
follow the spirit of the rule. Meaning
we aren't in 4th grade where your
goal is to find a way around every
rule you're given to follow.
So some members say, well, I can't
insult someone blatantly, so I'll
skirt the rule by saying nasty things
and implying it's the person I
want to insult. That's going against
the spirit of the rule. It's what got
you sent to the principles office
in grade school, and what gets
you suspended here.
Your sense of humor always keeps me in stitches...
Quote: EvenBobI think the problem here... [snip]
It's a common issue among any means of communication which allows for a degree of anonymity. A venue of communication such as an internet forum, is much more prone to reaching degrees or touching on aspects that are otherwise uncommon in places such as a public meeting.
Given that forum members are hidden behind a user name and a picture, there is a level of comfort that can be taken when someone knows they're being invisible per se.
You could argue that many of the "insults" or other heated debates would certainly be conducted in the same manner in person, and I would be inclined to agree. However, in that circumstance, the result would be entirely different. Whether that result was an escalated conflict, a resolution (peaceful or otherwise), or something entirely different, a result would none-the-less be reached.
In a medium such as a forum, the result is either a consensus to end the conflict, or face suspension. The suspension, in all reality, is no different than having a toddler sit in the corner for X number of minutes. Have they cooled down? Probably. Is the issue resolved? Maybe, maybe not.
/twocents
Quote: kewljHow can YOU even have the gonads to post this? NOBODY skirts the rules, and bates people right up to the line as much as you do.
Please point out where I do this
and I'll gladly take the suspension.
Show some posts where I insulted
somebody against the spirit of the
rule.
Quote: EvenBobPlease point out where I do this
and I'll gladly take the suspension.
Show some posts where I insulted
somebody against the spirit of the
rule.
I am not looking for you or anyone to take a suspension. I am not trying to start trouble or cause friction. But, you can't be serious! You honestly don't think that you do this? Anyone else have an opinion on this?
And no, I am not going to scour through posts looking for examples. You have nearly 19,000 posts! Am I supposed to retire from my career to do this? :)
EB's is the litmus test for happiness. If you can slough it off, you're happy.Quote: kewljAnyone else have an opinion on this?
Quote: EvenBobPlease point out where I do this
and I'll gladly take the suspension.
Show some posts where I insulted
somebody against the spirit of the
rule.
OK, you asked for it ...
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May 22nd, 2013 at 4:34:57 PM
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Quote: MrV
" I am looking forward to Aaron coming to WoVCon; if nothing else, he IS colorful."
Then EB accused me of lying, saying:
"You won't be there though. So how will you know
how colorful he is."
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So let's break it down:
Spike clearly said I was lying about my planning on attending.
In fact, I attended WoVCon: doc posted pics on this board to prove it.
Spike's comment was mean-spirited, cheap, dismissive, insulting, and basically about as welcome as herpes on a hooker.
He was stirring the pot, making useless, inflammatory statements to provoke a response.
Sure looks like "baiting" to me, and he baited so masterfully that my measured response earned me a seven day suspension.
Bah!
Did he insult me?
Did he bait me?
If so, what length of self-imposed, self-requested suspension is appropriate?
If he won't leave willingly, my vote is to throw him out and nail the door shut.
But then, I'm not particularly PC.
Quote: kewljI am not looking for you or anyone to take a suspension. I am not trying to start trouble or cause friction. But, you can't be serious! You honestly don't think that you do this?
Insult people in a crafty way? Absolutely
not. In fact I go out of way not to. Like
I said, you won't find a single post where
I do it, not since the rules changed a
few years ago.
Quote: EvenBobPlease point out where I do this
and I'll gladly take the suspension.
Show some posts where I insulted
somebody against the spirit of the
rule.
QFT.
Not at home right now, but when I get home....I'll do some digging. Won't take too long.
Quote: kewljHow can YOU even have the gonads to post this? NOBODY skirts the rules, and bates people right up to the line as much as you do.
Agreed. He thought my g/f, who is 31, might look similar to Dame Judi Dench, who is currently 80, because I called her "M" in my trip report. Her first name starts with "M"... Considering how Wiz thinks insulting a "significant other" a worse offense than normal...
And Wiz actually met us! I'm sure he's never met Bob...
Quote: EvenBob(I'll call her M)
Because she looks like the woman who
plays M in the Bond films?
Quote: tringlomane
At first I assumed that was some "bond girl" character, but after a quick wiki...
I'm 35 dude, lol... It's her first initial to save me typing "my g/f" a bunch of times.
Quote: EvenBobYou don't know the woman who plays M is in the Bond
movies and you're 35? You had to wiki it? Do you live
in a country that has no access to movies for the last
20 years?
Quote: tringlomaneMore like, I've never cared for James Bond movies and never watched any of them from beginning to end, including both "Casino Royales". I probably should watch the first though since Peter Sellers is generally hilarious. But I do know that Verne Troyer played "Mini-Me" and Michael York parodied "M's" role, Basil Exposition in "Austin Powers"...watching him in "Logan's Run" was interesting too...*shrug*
What can I say, my knowledge of James Bond movies is akin to LarryS's knowledge of Floyd Mayweather.
If any of these quotes from myself are worth suspending me, feel free. But if Bob doesn't get suspended as well, then I'm gone.
Quote: IbeatyouracesIs that a clue to your real identity?
My guess is yes
Quote: tringlomaneIf any of these quotes from myself are worth suspending me, feel free. But if Bob doesn't get suspended as well, then I'm gone.
Just looks like a misunderstanding with EB's typical bluntness. But maybe it's 'cause I'm used to listening to him and don't even notice from what is his normal demeanor seems to be most of time. Er, crotchety, that is. He's rarely anything else, as far as I can tell.
I guess I can sort of tell when EB is happy, but it's only that he's not as crotchety as usual.
I have no idea how old a lot of people on the forum are, unless they've given some obvious clue to their age, (or just given their age)
Quote:crotchety --bad-tempered, irascible, irritable, grumpy, grouchy, cantankerous, short-tempered, tetchy, testy, curmudgeonly, ill-tempered, ill-humored, ill-natured, cross-grained, peevish, cross, fractious, pettish, waspish, crabbed, crabby, crusty, prickly, touchy, snappish, snappy, cranky, ornery
Quote: kewljHow can YOU even have the gonads to post this? NOBODY skirts the rules, and bates people right up to the line as much as you do.
Yes, he certainly is a skilled bater, some may even call him a master...
Quote: rxwineJust looks like a misunderstanding with EB's typical bluntness. But maybe it's 'cause I'm used to listening to him and don't even notice from what is his normal demeanor seems to be most of time.
This is typical of EvenBob (again please suspend me if this is NOT the truth), but we both have been on the forum long enough where he probably should know I'm not close to his age either, so I don't understand why he even made the comment. And then he questioned the country where I lived since I didn't know offhand who played "M" in James Bond movies from 1995 to 2012, even though it's obvious I'm American from thousands of my other posts.
I dunno if malicious intent was there, but he sure as hell didn't apologize either. If I was in the same spot, I would at least say "I'm sorry." Oh wait, I wouldn't have got myself in that spot in the first place.
By the way, I didn't bring this up at the time because I figured mods wouldn't do anything about it. But since Bob wrote this...
Quote: EvenBobInsult people in a crafty way? Absolutely
not. In fact I go out of way not to. Like
I said, you won't find a single post where
I do it, not since the rules changed a
few years ago.
Game on.
Quote: tringlomane
If any of these quotes from myself are worth suspending me, feel free. But if Bob doesn't get suspended as well, then I'm gone.
Backing the mods into a corner, good move.
I thought it was a logical (and clever) question.
Marylin or Madonna were never called M, the
only M I knew was from the Bond films. I was
trying to be ironic. Obviously you were young,
why would she look like Judi Dench.
Ironic: commenting in the opposite way to what is expected, and typically causing wry amusement because of this.
Being purposely ironic is an art form, done
correctly. If I'm suspended in the name of
irony, I shall consider it a badge of honor
and serve the suspension in an ironic fashion.
Quote: tringlomaneBut since Bob wrote this...
...
Game on.
Heh, can't argue with that.
I sure don't want to pretend I know whether EB is up to his challenge.
Quote: AxelWolfSuspending the top poster on the forum doesn't look good for the site( Politics).
lol, baloney. That has nothing to do with
anything.
Quote: EvenBobFirst you brag that your GF is more than
10 years younger than you, meaning that's
very important or you wouldn't have
mentioned it. Then you go on to guess
that older men also desire younger women
and are unhappy with the 'old hag' they're
married to. You look at women as 'things',
there is no other way to interpret it.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/gambling/23647-can-i-make-a-living-thru-gambling/38/#post493305
Quote: EvenBobStunning misogyny at it's worst. Does your
GF have a name or do you just call her '10'.
If that's all a relationship is to you, how a
woman looks, you're in for some rude
awakenings as you age.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/3853-discussion-about-the-suspension-list/682/#post491675
Quote: EvenBobOH NO! What have you done. 1BB's plate was
already full over the rightful suspension of
Ahigh. Now you've overloaded 1BB's righteous
indignation meter by getting rid of an AP
that is irreplaceable here, he said so himself.
Oh the fallout, the fallout..
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/gambling/23647-can-i-make-a-living-thru-gambling/31/#post491372
Quote: EvenBobI just dismiss all of what mamat claims, it's
far easier than trying to separate the real
from the wildly exaggerated.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/3853-discussion-about-the-suspension-list/675/#post489381
Quote: EvenBobLuckily for me your opinion means less than
nothing. How could it? Block away..
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/kiosk/23586-casinokat-from-nanotech/29/#post488908
Quote: EvenBobNobody said that! Nobody implied that! But
keep the comments coming, we love ya
Ahigh! Must be the catnip or something!
Quote: MrVOK, you asked for it ...
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Quote: MrV
Your permalink didn't come through in your post (on page 741). Those older posts (from page 119 of this thread) start right here.
Quote: ajemeisterso has the overall mood of the forum turned into a witch hunt to claim insult and get others suspended? seems to be the current vibe, at least for the past 6 months or so.. how sad :( is it really that hard to step away for a day or two if you get upset and come back with a clear head as to not start a flame war?
Not hard at all to step away for a couple days.
Not unless AoS magically re-appears 6 hours later....
It is still doable, and good advice.
Thx
<edit> shortly after I walked away RS got suspended. You got to remember that some crucial members are crucial members. I think they are covered under the Endangered Species Act, and that's Federal ;-)
Quote: ajemeisterso has the overall mood of the forum turned into a witch hunt to claim insult and get others suspended?
Just as the current NFL issue seems to be "What is a catch?", so too over here the hot button issue is "What is an insult?"
People want to know exactly what the rule is, and to feel assured that it will be evenly and uniformly applied; that is not the current perception of some, who rather than leave the board in protest instead urge the mods to examine the matter and perhaps update how the rule is defined and applied.
Quote: MrVJust as the current NFL issue seems to be "What is a catch?", so too over here the hot button issue is "What is an insult?"
People want to know exactly what the rule is, and to feel assured that it will be evenly and uniformly applied; that is not the current perception of some, who rather than leave the board in protest instead urge the mods to examine the matter and perhaps update how the rule is defined and applied.
Damn! 1BB and Kentry and Mr V are all the same member? (That is posted as a joke, not as an insult to anyone alive or dead or suspended or multiplicious, or anyone else that I didn't rule out specifically )
Mr V just sounded, just for a moment, almost 1BBish. I hope he will accept that as a compliment, because that is indeed my intention. 2F
I made my point and cited / quoted proof: moving on.
"Nature abhors a vacuum." A lot.Quote: TwoFeathersATLMr V just sounded, just for a moment, almost 1BBish. I hope he will accept that as a compliment, because that is indeed my intention. 2F
Quote: TheGrimReaper13"Nature abhors a vacuum." A lot.
Nature loves whores that vacuum!
Quote: ajemeisterso has the overall mood of the forum turned into a witch hunt to claim insult and get others suspended? seems to be the current vibe, at least for the past 6 months or so.. how sad :( is it really that hard to step away for a day or two if you get upset and come back with a clear head as to not start a flame war?
Yep. Seems that way to me also.
I better not type anything else, as I will be accused of insulting someone.
Amazing.
Quote: mcallister3200How the hell does this thread become even MORE of a trainwreck after 1BB is suspended?
Amazing.
The hunt is on to get me suspended as
some kind of payback or something.
People with far too much free time on
their hands.
Nothing sad about a suspension. Remember, this is the internet, not real life.Quote: TwoFeathersATLI was disappointed by your latest Avatar Dodsferd, but it is perfectly fine if you like it ;-)
But why I grabbed the tablet and strapped on my artificial fingers and started to type:
1BB
How sad.
Some poked the bear too much methinks.
And since have poked each other.....
I hope you all had fun.
It is just 7 days, and then probation if I read correctly. No huge deal, maybe.
Will no doubt be interesting to read his first few posts.
I carry no weight, so I make no request.
I can hope that some of the pokers bite their tongues/keys upon his return. I can hope.
That's just from 2F.
""I can't take it anymore" Song's still in my head...
Quote: mcallister3200How the hell does this thread become even MORE of a trainwreck after 1BB is suspended?
Amazing.
So. I'm going to try and say something. I will probably fail, but hope you all recognize my positive intent.
I've met dozens of people from this site now, probably close to 100. Nearly everybody could not be nicer in person; interesting, pleasant, knowledgeable. If people spoke their minds here as they do in person, there would be little need to have moderators. (Aside from spam blasting, of course.)
If you all considered yourselves guests in someone's living room, visiting with other people with whom you have a common interest, (yes, we've used this analogy before - it's not original to me), the quality of the content would improve greatly. If it's going to be all about second-guessing bans, baiting each other, and passive-aggressive posts belittling groups or "indefinite" types, then it's going to be a tiresome, petty place. I like not suspending people; I care, probably too much, about each time I have to intercede.
I think it's worth remembering that the written word is only about 14% of communication, last time I read a paper on the topic. We lack tone, intonation, facial expressions, interjections, and body language as tools for making ourselves understood here. So I like giving what latitude seems possible on deciding if there is intent to insult vs. either humor or mis-stated written sentence. I'd appreciate it if the forum tried that along with me for a week or two instead of examining every post for a hint of an insult.
JMHO. YMMV.
Quote: beachbumbabsI think it's worth remembering that the written word is only about 14% of communication. . .
According to Kramer, it's 94%
Reminds of an analogy about stopping over in a foreign country, and speaking with only ten people, all of whom are blond. Would it be right to conclude that everyone there is a blond? Same thing, except the latter seems a random occurrence. Unlike the popular members here who have the time, and make the effort, to meet their "hero". You're the Wizard's number-one fan. And I think you keep his "office" going. I get that.Quote: beachbumbabsI've met dozens of people from this site now, probably close to 100. Nearly everybody could not be nicer in person; interesting, pleasant, knowledgeable. If people spoke their minds here as they do in person, there would be little need to have moderators. (Aside from spam blasting, of course.)
All families that stick together go through thick and thin. I don't care if you're the Trumps, or the EB's. So, if you have designs on creating a WoV Utopia, I strongly suggest that you, "Just stop." Families don't "nuke" each other every time a member speaks up. Or continue to pose for the cameras in the privacy of their homes.Quote: beachbumbabsIf you all considered yourselves guests in someone's living room, visiting with other people with whom you have a common interest, (yes, we've used this analogy before - it's not original to me), the quality of the content would improve greatly. If it's going to be all about second-guessing bans, baiting each other, and passive-aggressive posts belittling groups or "indefinite" types, then it's going to be a tiresome, petty place. I like not suspending people; I care, probably too much, about each time I have to intercede.
Is this an old folks home, or a gambling forum? If the Wizard has some gambling stories, let's hear 'em. Otherwise, like Mr V wrote, ("Lead, follow, or) get out of the way." The library is that way. Who knows, you might run into teliot.Quote: beachbumbabsI think it's worth remembering that the written word is only about 14% of communication, last time I read a paper on the topic. We lack tone, intonation, facial expressions, interjections, and body language as tools for making ourselves understood here.
And if you have the balls, let us not smart enough to figure it out, who you posted as before on this site.
Thanks! Boz
Quote: aceofspadesNature loves whores that vacuum!
Don't we all?? Ok maybe not you, but most guys.
Quote: TheGrimReaper13Reminds of an analogy about stopping over in a foreign country, and speaking with only ten people, all of whom are blond. Would it be right to conclude that everyone there is a blond? Same thing, except the latter seems a random occurrence. Unlike the popular members here who have the time, and make the effort, to meet their "hero". You're the Wizard's number-one fan. And I think you keep his "office" going. I get that.
All families that stick together go through thick and thin. I don't care if you're the Trumps, or the EB's. So, if you have designs on creating a WoV Utopia, I strongly suggest that you, "Just stop." Families don't "nuke" each other every time a member speaks up. Or continue to pose for the cameras in the privacy of their homes.
Is this an old folks home, or a gambling forum? If the Wizard has some gambling stories, let's hear 'em. Otherwise, like Mr V wrote, ("Lead, follow, or) get out of the way." The library is that way. Who knows, you might run into teliot.
I believe you misunderstood what I'm saying. I would prefer a forum where people can banter and be humorous, have their occasional misunderstandings, and move on. This forum, and maybe most others, swing on a pendulum of tone. Right now, this one has a lot of petty feuds and umbrage. That seems to need more moderation than a Utopian ideal, where people can disagree without being disagreeable about it, have vigorous and challenging discussions, and not take things so personally.
I'm not really asking for people to be "nice", I'm asking for them to respect each other's rights to have an opinion, to criticize the post and not the poster, to do whatever cliché you like that doesn't devolve into trolling, ad hominem attacks, and goading each other. Maybe to enjoy each other's company a little more, which includes personalities like EB's self-identified curmudgeon, Romes' perpetually sunny disposition, and your gloom and doom persona ("TheGrimReaper"), for a few examples. Doesn't seem too hard to me. Perhaps it's not in your wheelhouse.
I like what Mosca used to say: "You start with respect; you earn disrespect." I figure people can roll their eyes, shake their heads, face-palm, curse what they see as stupidity, all in the privacy of real life, and still speak civilly to that same person on here. It doesn't take a lot of effort to indicate your superiority at someone else's expense; the worthwhile but more difficult effort is to enlighten and encourage instead.
Quote: beachbumbabsI'm not really asking for people to be "nice", I'm asking for them to respect each other's rights to have an opinion, to criticize the post and not the poster, to do whatever cliché you like that doesn't devolve into trolling, ad hominem attacks, and goading each other. .
You're asking men to not be men. We're
naturally competitive and this is how we
express it. Attacking and goading is what
we do, it's how we communicate. If you
listen to a group of men in a bar who all
know each other, it's mostly what they
do.
It's hard here, you really have to think
before you type. If you want to see male
egos on display, go to one of the non
moderated sports betting forums. It's all
name calling and personal insults and
it's no holds barred. You'll come away
thinking this is the calmest place on the
net.
Quote: EvenBobYou're asking men to not be men. We're
naturally competitive and this is how we
express it. Attacking and goading is what
we do, it's how we communicate. If you
listen to a group of men in a bar who all
know each other, it's mostly what they
do.
It's hard here, you really have to think
before you type. If you want to see male
egos on display, go to one of the non
moderated sports betting forums. It's all
name calling and personal insults and
it's no holds barred. You'll come away
thinking this is the calmest place on the
net.
Quote: EvenBobYou're asking men to not be dicks.
Fixed the quote for you.
If that's how you act, then that's your own personal choice. This is the 21st century, not prehistoric ages. "Attacking and goading" is not a form of communication, at least not civilized communication.
An off chute snide remark or playful jest is much different than the type of content that I believe BBB was getting at.
Edit:
Regarding competition, sure, men are competitive. I know I sure as hell am, and I know I can be mean and arrogant as well. Doesn't mean I have to treat anyone else with any less respect. I can maintain a competitive nature and still keep my ego and arrogance high while being civil. There is no reason to result to degrading remarks.
Quote: DodsferdFixed the quote for you.
If that's how you act, then that's your own personal choice. This is the 21st century, not prehistoric ages. "Attacking and goading" is not a form of communication, at least not civilized communication.
You're exactly proving my point. You're
correcting me, changing what I said,
because you think your viewpoint
is more important than mine. It's
what men do.
You never see this on a women's
forum. They would rather die than
tell another woman she's wrong
and correct her. Doing that for men
comes naturally, it's what we do.
Quote: EvenBobYou're exactly proving my point. You're
correcting me, changing what I said,
because you think your viewpoint
is more important than mine. It's
what men do.
You never see this on a women's
forum. They would rather die than
tell another woman she's wrong
and correct her. Doing that for men
comes naturally, it's what we do.
Except I'm neither attacking or goading you. Unless I am mistaken, the whole point was to direct attention to the attacks on character and snide remarks being made. That's what I was attempting to convey.
You're right, this is absolutely a trait found more often in males. I won't deny that at all; it's far more common for a man to be direct or abrupt when it comes to conveying information. I'd rather be direct and to the point than to beat around a bush.
Quote: EvenBobYou never see this on a women's
forum. They would rather die than
tell another woman she's wrong
and correct her.
I had an ex-girlfriend who had a shouting match with another woman; the woman died later that evening of a heart attack. I still think it was the stress. They were definitely telling each other what to do and where to go.
Quote: DodsferdExcept I'm neither attacking or goading you..
You're not insulting me directly, but you
are attacking me by correcting me and
putting me in my place. A woman, on
the other hand, would never do this
because it would be perceived as a
direct and vicious attack on her as
a person, that you would dare to
correct her in front of other people.
In another time what you said and
how you said it would have forced
me to challenge you is some way
so I could retrieve my honor. They
were a lot touchier in those days.
Quote: EvenBobYou're not insulting me directly, but you
are attacking me by correcting me and
putting me in my place.
I'm offering my point of view and my perception of the conversation at hand. What you say and believe is your own right, as is mine. My interjections are an effort to provide substance to the conversation, as is, your own I would imagine.
If a professor corrected a a mistake by a student, is that attacking? When a parent corrects the behaviour of their child, is that attacking?
Quote: EvenBob
In another time what you said and
how you said it would have forced
me to challenge you is some way
so I could retrieve my honor. They
were a lot touchier in those days.
If your honor has been attacked in any way, shape, or form, then sure, it could certainly be perceived as an attack on you or your character. Perception has a huge role to play in this, but so does the message being sent.
That's a large contributing factor here. If I were to say "Go **** yourself" to someone, it's hard to take that with any positive connotations. "You're wrong, I disagree" could go either way, yet still convey the same message. Is one more respectful than the other? Absolutely.
Quote: Dodsferd
If a professor corrected a a mistake by a student, is that attacking? When a parent corrects the behaviour of their child, is that attacking?.
Teachers and parents have a position of
authority over students and kids, they
can correct them without repercussions.
You have no such authority over me. If
you did it in public the way you did it
here, I certainly would consider it an
attack on my character and give it back
to you accordingly. But the internet
has a wider leeway when such things
happen. It's not real, it's cyberspace,
we can't be expected to act in the same
way.
Quote: EvenBobTeachers and parents have a position of
authority over students and kids, they
can correct them without repercussions.
True, though what are your thoughts about professional or personal circumstances? When my co-workers or I critique work conducted by others, it's not on the basis of attacking one another. We're redirecting efforts in an attempt to further our department and company as a whole.
When someone is in need of advice or help, whether voluntary or not, is it attacking? If you sit someone down whose an alcoholic and have an intervention, is it attacking?
I'm not trying to nitpick here, but I seem to be getting a correlation between "attacking" and "conflict" from you. What I'm trying to convey, is you can disagree with someone or have an entirely different point of view, without going overboard with comments or gestures. That in itself is a defining difference to me.
Quote: EvenBob
You have no such authority over me. If
you did it in public the way you did it
here, I certainly would consider it an
attack on my character and give it back
to you accordingly.
You're right, I don't have authority over you, nor do you over me. The basis for my interjections to this conversation is on mutual level that we both approach when logging in to a public forum such as this.
If you take what I'm saying to be an attack, then I would daresay it is in the perception that you have of the message I am sending. Were I to slander you, then I would agree that an attack is being made. As I stated above, there is a difference between an attack and a debate. If you are observing this as an attack, then there is an inherent difference in the way you and I are seeing this conversation, as I see a debate.
Quote: EvenBob
But the internet
has a wider leeway when such things
happen. It's not real, it's cyberspace,
we can't be expected to act in the same
way.
This is actually an interesting point. What do you define as real? In today's society, cyberspace has nearly the same merit as the physical world we inhabit. If you define reality as the physical interaction that you are able to experience, then yes, cyberspace is not real.... Yet.
Yet physical interaction is merely a manipulation of our human senses, as translated into electrical impulses to our brain, and on that basis, what is the difference? What we see and hear are translated the same way. One could argue that cyberspace is just as real as the keyboard used to type this message, at least to our brains.
That is probably a topic for another matter though, as I feel that this is just getting off topic.
