Discussion III about the Suspension List
so what do you think about bike suspensions?Quote: OnceDearFirst, let me be clear. I consider thread hijacking a very trivial misdemeanor. Most times it would get no more than a mild rebuke, certainly not a suspension for the odd occasion. I would certainly not have suspended anyone for this event.
<I kid. I kid>
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Quote: MrVAlso, a cursory review of forum rules does not show that your new rule has been codified in the form of an additional rule; please take pains to draft one so that all of us (ahem) are on notice.
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What new rule? I attempted to clarify policy as opposed to hard and fast rules.
Quote: OnceDearMost times it would get no more than a mild rebuke, certainly not a suspension for the odd occasion. I would certainly not have suspended anyone for this event.
We moderators are held to a somewhat higher standard, but even with that, i would not have extended to more than a rebuke to Dieter and a reminder to the others.
I don't think for one second that Wizard would have imposed a penalty either! So please don't think of this as favouritism or turning a blind eye to my colleague.
However Dieter, being ever the honourable Mod, saw fit to self suspend. It is not my place to over-rule him, though wizard might.
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I agree with everything you wrote. Friendly hijacking is the least of the WoV sins. However, indeed, dieter holds himself to a very high standard and felt it appropriate to show he's not above the rules. I respect that and accept the self-suspension. Hopefully nobody will complain that he gets a cushy private cell in the WoV jail.
Quote: Wizard]What new rule? I attempted to clarify policy as opposed to hard and fast rules.
Perhaps, but how will those new to the forum know about this policy unless it is clearly promulgated?
Maybe you could put an asterisk under the rule in question, and have it lead to an explanation of this new clarified policy?
Quote: MrVQuote: Wizard]What new rule? I attempted to clarify policy as opposed to hard and fast rules.
Perhaps, but how will those new to the forum know about this policy unless it is clearly promulgated?
Maybe you could put an asterisk under the rule in question, and have it lead to an explanation of this new clarified policy?
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How about don't be a horses butt and you'll be fine.
It's very clear the direction Wizard chose to take HIS forum. Either you accept it or you don't. There are many daily topics at WOV.
Theses little scraps represent less than 5% of total posts.
Quote: MrVQuote: Wizard]What new rule? I attempted to clarify policy as opposed to hard and fast rules.
Perhaps, but how will those new to the forum know about this policy unless it is clearly promulgated?
Maybe you could put an asterisk under the rule in question, and have it lead to an explanation of this new clarified policy?
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Hi MrV
I understand your concerns. However, we start from the premise that new members to the forum have some clue about what is civilised adult behaviour. Of those that don't, some proceed to break the rules. If they come here as scammers or spammers, they get ejected. That one is simple.
Maybe the odd obscenity or other rule broken. If they come here with, shall we say, attitude issues, They get a warning, often many warnings with escalating penalties. They probably get referred to the rules and get one-to one advice on what we tolerate. We tolerate a lot. We don't nuke members for the odd trivial rule infringement. Just look how long Marcus had to acclimatise. He knew the score.
MarcusClark was one of VERY few members to get nuked without a lot of warnings. He did get thoroughly engaged by the moderators here. He should reasonably have known where he was heading.
The next guy that joins here and starts trolling the forum is likely to get shown the fate of the last one. He'll be given similar opportunity to make good, and if he ends up nuked, it won't be for lack of trying.
None of that could be achieved just by telling him to read the rules or directing him to rule 20 or rule 12. where we bold it or append an asterisk.
Quote: OnceDearHe'll be given similar opportunity to make good
What's the protocol for making good?
For instance, say another member begins to post reports of extremely skewed gaming results, and he is met with derisive skepticism by the moderators here.
What proof could he provide to convince the mods that his reports are truthful, and by what method could that proof be provided?
Asking for a friend who mostly wins, and wants to join and share his adventures.
I could've saved you a bunch of red tape many months ago. It was obviously all a bunch of rubbish tolling and game playing.Quote: WizardAn investigation has shown this 1/1/22 post, by Marcusclark66, was not truthful. The implausibility of the photo compared with the story was called into question in subsequent posts. In spite of the challenges, Marcus stuck to his story. Meanwhile, an investigation showed the table in the photo was a new format of baccarat. The only casino to offer this table had it at a $400 maximum bet, much less than the $10,000 Marcus’ wife was allegedly betting per hand.
I privately gave Marcus a chance to defend himself when presented with the evidence about the game. He had a response, but it was directed to my eyes only, so I’m not allowed to share it. However, I will say I found his explanation unsatisfactory.
At this point, let me clarify forum policy on lying. There is no rule against making false statements, especially if the claimant believes a statement to be true, but is simply in error. A perfect example would be Alan’s 18 yo’s in a row. That clearly didn’t happen, but I give Alan the benefit of the doubt that he simply miscounted or misremembered the event.
There is not even a policy against outright deliberate lying. If there were, moderators would be asked to launch investigations all the time about the truthfulness of posts. We are not going to take on that responsibility. However, we still reserve the right to.
If the totality of one's posts is one huge lie, then it becomes trolling. I allege this to be the case with Marcus' posts since he started the I have learned a lot here and am ready to play thread. I'm not saying every post was untruthful, but to consistently win at baccarat straight up since June does not pass the reasonable doubt test.
Going forward, in the tradeoff between free speech and truthful information, I plan to bend a bit in favor of truthful information. I will grant immunity to all posts prior to 2/2/22, so please don't request reconsiderations of other members. Thank you.
In closing, not every moderator agrees with my action on Marcus. That said, I will take any heat for it alone.
In closing, I wish Marcus well, elsewhere.
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Given the fact that he presented himself as a casino security expert and whatnot, that makes the situation a little more serious, than if let's say, someone like Nathan is making up fairy tales.
Kudos for making a difficult decision that you might not be comfortable with given your views on freedom of speech and what-not and doing what's best for others and the forum in general.
The most important question now is...With him being gone, who will head up MDawg's fan club?
Quote: mosesHow about don't be a horses butt and you'll be fine.
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Amen to that!
Do the police tell you exactly how much leeway they give you above the speed limit before pulling you over? It's part of the game to figure out how we enforce the rules.
Quote: AxelWolfThe most important question now is...With him being gone, who will head up MDawg's fan club?
I nominate mwalz9.
2. I have no problem with Dieter stepping away for 3 days over a minor hi-jack, despite any strictly personal opinions that OD has giddily posted. Speaking for the moderator team, It has always been our policy to set higher standards for ourselves than for others. And let's face it, a short suspension may not be entirely unpleasant for a moderator (at least for those of us moderators who don't suffer from "Forum Infatuation"). Despite its lack of pay, this moderator gig is a bit of a "job" and taking an occasional break can be refreshing and constructive. So, praise to Dieter for his sense of ethics and we all look forward to his return.
By the way, Teliot posted the claim of hijacking by Dieter, then returned to the subject of the thread, did a lot of work and made a remarkable discovery. I recommend you go review it. Praise for Teliot. That is the kind of content that this forum should be about.
Quote: coachbellyQuote: AxelWolfThe most important question now is...With him being gone, who will head up MDawg's fan club?
I nominate mwalz9.
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I knew I'd be the front runner, but I respectfully decline.
I haven't learned much here and am not ready to play!
Quote: mwalz9I knew I'd be the front runner, but I respectfully decline.
Very Shermanesque of you.
“I will not accept if nominated and will not serve if elected.”
Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman - 1884
Quote: WizardQuote: mosesHow about don't be a horses butt and you'll be fine.
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Amen to that!
Do the police tell you exactly how much leeway they give you above the speed limit before pulling you over? It's part of the game to figure out how we enforce the rules.
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Excellent analogy. You go with the flow of the traffic.
Quote: billryanIt would appear that using the term dyke is okay. Should we assume using similar terms for other groups is also acceptable?
I posted that, it is fine, at least here in Portland, Oregon, the home of many, ahem, "dykes."
The term "dyke" is not a slur, it is in common usage.
For example, there are lots of, ahem, "women of an alternative sexual inclination" who not only call their club "Dykes on Bikes" they also festoon themselves with that term, as colors.
I nominate MDawg.Quote: mwalz9Quote: coachbellyQuote: AxelWolfThe most important question now is...With him being gone, who will head up MDawg's fan club?
I nominate mwalz9.
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I knew I'd be the front runner, but I respectfully decline.
I haven't learned much here and am not ready to play!
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I haven't noticed the term Dyke used in this forum. I will take a look. Words can, of course, be offensive or insulting in one context and acceptable in others,Quote: MrVQuote: billryanIt would appear that using the term dyke is okay. Should we assume using similar terms for other groups is also acceptable?
I posted that, it is fine, at least here in Portland, Oregon, the home of many, ahem, "dykes."
The term "dyke" is not a slur, it is in common usage.
For example, there are lots of, ahem, "women of an alternative sexual inclination" who not only call their club "Dykes on Bikes" they also festoon themselves with that term, as colors.
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Meanwhile, I give you a definition from Merriam Webster....
Definition of dyke (Entry 2 of 2)
usually offensive
: LESBIAN
So, it could be construed as 'Personal insult' under our rules. Depending on context. It's not a word that i would expect to get away with using.
Quote: OnceDearI haven't noticed the term Dyke used in this forum. I will take a look. Words can, of course, be offensive or insulting in one context and acceptable in others,Quote: MrVQuote: billryanIt would appear that using the term dyke is okay. Should we assume using similar terms for other groups is also acceptable?
I posted that, it is fine, at least here in Portland, Oregon, the home of many, ahem, "dykes."
The term "dyke" is not a slur, it is in common usage.
For example, there are lots of, ahem, "women of an alternative sexual inclination" who not only call their club "Dykes on Bikes" they also festoon themselves with that term, as colors.
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Meanwhile, I give you a definition from Merriam Webster....
Definition of dyke (Entry 2 of 2)
So, it could be construed as 'Personal insult' under our rules. Depending on context. It's not a word that i would expect to get away with using.
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Just my opinion of course, but the worst slurs are often adopted by the targeted group and used among themselves. That, I assume takes some of the sting out of them. Doesn't mean they want it to hear those words outside their group. I wouldn't use it unless you're a lesbian.
Quote: OnceDearThe term "dyke" is not a slur, it is in common usage.
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As far as I know, it's still very offensive in the US. If anyone uses it as a slur, they will serve time for hate speech if I catch it.
Quote: ChumpChangeI see six yellow chips over two player betting spaces in the baccarat photo Marcus posted and is referenced in his suspension. That doesn't seem like a $400 maximum bet that the Wizard says the casino in question has. Aren't yellow chips $1,000 a piece?
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Your eyes deceive you.
The farest away, Fortune 7 side bet betting circles are 'colored in' and may look like chips.
** Photo from a different angle, at a different date.
The only chips visible are those in the chip tray and 3x 100 chips on the table edge, as obscured by MC.
Quote: WizardDo the police tell you exactly how much leeway they give you above the speed limit before pulling you over? It's part of the game to figure out how we enforce the rules.
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Actually state law in Georgia provides that local, city, and county cops cannot issue a speeding citation unless the offending driver exceeds the speed limit by more than 10 mph with a couple of specific exceptions. State cops, on the other hand, are not subject to those limitations but mostly honor that part of the code.
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Quote: billryanThey sure look like chips in the first photo. It's a shame marcusclarke didn't learn to photoshop better. I was really looking forward to watching him leave the middle class behind and joining the other real folks enjoying the billionaire lifestyle, courtesy of the casinos.
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Let's not deride the guy in his absence. His photoshopping wasn't that bad!
He now has more time to dedicate to his casino trips.
I did enjoy his pics from the employee cafeteria. He may be gone but I'm sure he will live on in the hearts and minds of many.
With that said, his book is closed and his name won't be brought up by me again.
Quote: odiousgambitif I could only be sure he was or was not mocking Mdawg
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Who would do that?
Parody of a parody maybe? Hmmmm.Quote: odiousgambitif I could only be sure he was or was not mocking Mdawg
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I figure he was just having fun, with us ALL.
Bless 'im.
That's a cryptic thumb-tack.Quote: JbstalksI am pleased
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What are you pleased with? why? Seems an odd introductory post from a new user.
Quote: OnceDearThat's a cryptic thumb-tack.Quote: JbstalksI am pleased
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What are you pleased with? why? Seems an odd introductory post from a new user.
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The following video is dedicated to the wizard and his cohort Axl Wolf. And sincerely from my heart the video is about those two.
Go to YouTube
Search: [redacted]
Watch it. It was specifically created for people like Wizard and AxelWolf.
Quote: JbstalksQuote: OnceDearThat's a cryptic thumb-tack.Quote: JbstalksI am pleased
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What are you pleased with? why? Seems an odd introductory post from a new user.
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The following video is dedicated to the wizard and his cohort Axl Wolf. And sincerely from my heart the video is about those two.
Go to YouTube
Search: [redacted]
Watch it. It was specifically created for people like Wizard and AxelWolf.
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Goodbye Marcus Clark.
Wizard has said that he does not care to have sight of content from banned members.
And yes, you can throw rotten fruit and vegetables at their images on your big screen but I would urge you to overcome such a compelling urge, no matter how appropriate it may seem to do so.
Hi MrV.....Quote: MrVA little birdie chirped in my ear that those pining for a "fix" of the wit and wisdom of Mr. Clark and his gamblin' guru can find them boasting, preening, and stretching the bounds of credulity on Fox's syndicated program "Fantasy Island."
And yes, you can throw rotten fruit and vegetables at their images on your big screen, but I would urge you to overcome such a compelling urge.
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What you do in your own TV room is outside of my purview. Be advised that you do so at your own risk.
Gets messy when porn is on the screen.
Don't stand so closeQuote: MrVLOL
Gets messy when porn is on the screen.
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Quote: coachbellyQuote: OnceDearHe'll be given similar opportunity to make good
What's the protocol for making good?
For instance, say another member begins to post reports of extremely skewed gaming results, and he is met with derisive skepticism by the moderators here.
What proof could he provide to convince the mods that his reports are truthful, and by what method could that proof be provided?
Asking for a friend who mostly wins, and wants to join and share his adventures.
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I am not going to suggest specific methods.
I will offer the general advice that if someone's story is amazing and incredible, people may take interest.
If you don't want interested people asking more about your fantastic tales, perhaps don't post them.
Rick gave Jan 42875:1*, then told him to cash in his chips and don't come back. That was enough to raise eyebrows. That's not the sniff test threshold we use, but longshots invite scrutiny.
If any of that directly answered your question, I'm sure there was a misunderstanding on my part.
edit: probably 1225:1. I just reviewed the scene. Three spins stuck in my mind for some reason, but I only saw 2.
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For instance, say another member begins to post reports of extremely skewed gaming results, and he is met with derisive skepticism by the moderators here.
What proof could he provide to convince the mods that his reports are truthful, and by what method could that proof be provided?
Asking for a friend who mostly wins, and wants to join and share his adventures.
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this is gambling we're talking about here
there are some very good people in this field whose word can be trusted
but the world of gamblers is also littered with liars, and exaggerators - some looking to cash in on their lies
someone posting about one or 2 big wins is not going to met with a lot of skepticism
but someone who posts that they are winning big and that they win every time or almost every time - dozens of times - is
especially when they provide no logical explanation for this and don't even state that it was due to luck
what do 𝙮𝙤𝙪 think would be the correct way to view such a poster______________?
do you think that this is a poster who is due the admiration of everybody here________________?
or do you think some logical explanation of as you say "extremely skewed gaming results" is called for_______________?
do you fear someone is going to challenge your friend and that this is not fair to him_____________?
everybody should just take him at his word_______is that what you would like_________?
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Thank you, I like Kid Rock, I never heard that song before, I appropriate you bringing it to my attention.Quote: JbstalksQuote: OnceDearThat's a cryptic thumb-tack.Quote: JbstalksI am pleased
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What are you pleased with? why? Seems an odd introductory post from a new user.
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The following video is dedicated to the wizard and his cohort Axl Wolf. And sincerely from my heart the video is about those two.
Go to YouTube
Search: [redacted]
Watch it. It was specifically created for people like Wizard and AxelWolf.
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Quote: lilredroostereverybody should just take him at his word_______is that what you would like_________?
I asked what proof he could provide, and by what method he could provide that proof.
Quote: coachbellyQuote: lilredroostereverybody should just take him at his word_______is that what you would like_________?
I asked what proof he could provide, and by what method he could provide that proof.
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I believe that depends on the incredible story that is presented.
Quote: MrVA little birdie chirped in my ear that those pining for a "fix" of the wit and wisdom of Mr. Clark and his gamblin' guru can find them boasting, preening, and stretching the bounds of credulity on Fox's syndicated program "Fantasy Island."
And yes, you can throw rotten fruit and vegetables at their images on your big screen but I would urge you to overcome such a compelling urge, no matter how appropriate it may seem to do so.
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Huh?😴
If someone claims they won the Powerball jackpot last night and as they stopped in the store to tip the employee who sold it, their wife bought their 2.7 kids scratch-offs that each won a million dollars, I think most will be dubious.
Lots of improbable things happen: some have happened to me, some I've read about.
Like this guy winning all 264 Pick 3 tickets : https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/nation-world/national/article258055273.html
In the end I suppose we must let common sense be our guide.
They were dealing deep. I knew exactly what cards had been played and more importantly, what cards were left to be played.
That may sound like a grand illusion. But to me it's just biz.
Quote: mosesI think I won 18 out of 20 blackjack sessions before they banned me. Or maybe it was several in row. I don't remember exactly because it was about 8 years ago. They were dealing deep. I knew exactly what cards had been played and more importantly, what cards were left to be played. That may sound like a grand illusion. But to me it's just biz.
Nothing illusory about card counting.
Quote: MrVQuote: mosesI think I won 18 out of 20 blackjack sessions before they banned me. Or maybe it was several in row. I don't remember exactly because it was about 8 years ago. They were dealing deep. I knew exactly what cards had been played and more importantly, what cards were left to be played. That may sound like a grand illusion. But to me it's just biz.
Nothing illusory about card counting.
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Not really card carding for me. More like card memory. I could put up numbers off the charts compared to conventional methods. No bragging. Just saying.
It's really Edwin Thorp with a twist. Problem is pen that deep is extremely rare these days.
So one has to relax their deck composition standards and settle for 60% wins. Still worthwhile. But now one pretty much has to find a black chip table.
Quote: billryanIf someone comes here and claims they won $500 on last night's lottery drawing, I think few would question them.
If someone claims they won the Powerball jackpot last night and as they stopped in the store to tip the employee who sold it, their wife bought their 2.7 kids scratch-offs that each won a million dollars, I think most will be dubious.
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If someone claims they won the Powerball lottery, but the jackpot hasn't reset, I think that would be reasonable grounds for disbelief.
