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Wizardofnothing
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April 24th, 2016 at 3:50:13 PM permalink
I post plenty ,-and answer more then the occasional question in the forum... You have posted in this thread 99.999993991938188887 percent of the time
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April 24th, 2016 at 3:53:09 PM permalink
Would you like me to link to the dozen or so times where I answered why?

As the lawyers say: "Asked and answered".
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April 24th, 2016 at 4:03:34 PM permalink
Post something of use in the forum.... Until then I really wish kewlj was back because you are not adding much content
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April 24th, 2016 at 4:27:21 PM permalink
Weather QFIT is valuable or not to the forum..... not relevant to KEWLJ's nuking.

The Wiz gave KEWLJ a condition he had to meet to participate in the Wiz's forum. KEWLJ chose not to meet that condition. You may disagree with Mike's 'truces' (I do, and think they are silly), but geez, KEWLJ was told.... don't mention QFIT or you will be axed. Blaming the correct person for KEWLJ's dismissal..... KEWLJ.
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April 24th, 2016 at 7:10:57 PM permalink
Ghosh, KEWLJ is gone and nuke by the Wizard.

I haven't been following this site for the last few months because there is very little to read and to post.
I have been following KEWLJ and darkoz and last I look I couldn't find out why darkoz name is in red.

I just happen to run into this thread and things have really changed with the appearance of QFIT.
This site is way down by my estimation even with the assertion by Zuga that Google Analytics says it is up. GA in not a reliable indicator form my experience.
Like the Wizard says this site is not a democracy but a dictatorship.
I have not read the full background on this sage. I pick up from the point where KEWLJ mention something about QFIT and he is gone/nuked.

This being a privately owned site and the Wizard can do whatever he wish. His preference for QFIT over KEWLJ is obvious.
But KEWLJ had maybe the largest following on this site. Not that I believe all that he said. I find his tall claim of $100,000 per year to be quite amusing.
Moderator BBB is his biggest fan and she must be devastated.

I know QFIT from the Backjackinfo days and I know how he operate. He would zero in on a particular poster he strongly disagree with and leave no quarter for that poster. With the compliance with his moderator colleague Sonny that poster was banned. It didn't sound fair to me. But this was in the closing days of Blackjackinfo and Ken Smith probably wash his hands from this.

I don't remember QFIT posting much of anything else.
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April 24th, 2016 at 8:52:09 PM permalink
Quote: Deck007



This being a privately owned site and the Wizard can do whatever he wish. His preference for QFIT over KEWLJ is obvious.
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THAT'S COMPLETE BS. KJ went overboard and broke his truce(justified or not). From my understanding Mike is wanting and more than willing to let KJ back, if him and QFIT can come to some agreement.(I think we are far beyond that ever actually happening, KJ probably will never agree)

Question for Mike and or whomever. WHY IS QFIT even allowed to mention KJ here? Broken truce or not, he should try to respect this forum. IMO he shouldn't be allowed to mention KJ's name questioned about it or not. There's no reason for him to discuss it here anymore, take it to the other forums. He can just ignore members who bring it up, or simply say he's not commenting about KJ.
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April 24th, 2016 at 11:48:49 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Blaming the correct person for KEWLJ's dismissal..... KEWLJ.



True.

But unless we aren't nice to QFIT, he won't contribute whereas if we just had KJ back he would, and 99% of forum probably didn't care about their dispute one way or the other.

We just notice Kewj is gone and there is an observed loss.

This is one of those bans which benefitted almost nobody, is the way I see it.

If KJ was one of those members always on the borderline, causing trouble, and typical stuff, I could see it being of wider benefit.
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April 25th, 2016 at 6:03:02 AM permalink
Quote: Deck007

I know QFIT from the Backjackinfo days and I know how he operate. He would zero in on a particular poster he strongly disagree with and leave no quarter for that poster. With the compliance with his moderator colleague Sonny that poster was banned. It didn't sound fair to me.



No, Sonny was not a colleague. No, I got no one banned at BJI. I only remember Sonny nuking one person. The poster had a penchant for using a word starting with N and was suspended twice. He then posted that the Chinese and Arabs were going to invade the U.S. to mate with "our superior women". Very few people ever saw that post. That got him nuked. He had previously been nuked at BJ21 and AP.COM for racist posts. None of this had anything to do with me. In fact, I had long collaborated with the poster on side bet evaluations.

What will you guys make up next? I sank the Lusitania perhaps.
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April 25th, 2016 at 6:33:58 AM permalink
Quote: QFIT

No,

What will you guys make up next? I sank the Lusitania perhaps.

When you use the term 'you guys', it sounds like you are speaking about all the members here. Not the best choice of words to 'win friends and influence people'. Not to influence them positively anyway.

I feel sure you're a busy guy. Many members here miss KewlJ and associate his absence with you. You should expect some bitterness, you should expect to get baited in fact, comes with the territory known as 'forums'. You don't have to take the bait, you can let the bitterness slide off like water off a duck's back. Be a big guy, at least here. I don't follow the other non-WoV forums. You have my permission to whatever size guy you'd like to be on those. Big guys are preferred here.
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QFIT
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April 25th, 2016 at 6:37:10 AM permalink
Reread the sentence and look at the context. I am obviously talking about the people that make things up. Once again someone attempts to put words in my mouth that weren't there. I NEVER said ALL members.

I've never seen so many straw man arguments.
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April 25th, 2016 at 6:43:29 AM permalink
Quote: QFIT

Reread the sentence and look at the context. I am obviously talking about the people that make things up. Once again someone attempts to put words in my mouth that weren't there. I NEVER said ALL members.

I've never seen so many straw man arguments.

Maybe I misunderstood your meaning, but that's the way it read to me. I may not be alone.
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April 25th, 2016 at 6:44:09 AM permalink
Quote: QFIT

I've never seen so many straw man arguments.



Maybe you're not always right.
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April 25th, 2016 at 6:45:25 AM permalink
All I ask you to do is post some actual content, looks like you can't or won't, you just want to come in here and cry or defend....9
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April 25th, 2016 at 6:46:26 AM permalink
Quote: RS

Maybe you're not always right.



Yet another straw man. I never said I was always right. Time and time and time again, people here put words in my mouth that I never uttered, but beliefs in my mind I have never thought. Unable to debate what I actually say and believe; people are just making stuff up and debating it as if I said or believed it.
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April 25th, 2016 at 6:52:16 AM permalink
Quote: Wizardofnothing

All I ask you to do is post some actual content, looks like you can't or won't, you just want to come in here and cry or defend....9



I ignored it when RonC brought me up again, out of the blue. I only came back into the thread when a third party was egregiously attacked (twice violating copyright in the process). There is absolutely no reason for me to post content at a site where everything I say is attacked. There are venues where I can have serious discussions without constant sniping. And yes, I was attacked twice when I last posted BJ content here. (Actually, three times. Twice by KJ and once by Terripine.)
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April 25th, 2016 at 6:53:55 AM permalink
Quote: QFIT

Yet another straw man. I never said I was always right. Time and time and time again, people here put words in my mouth that I never uttered, but beliefs in my mind I have never thought. Unable to debate what I actually say and believe; people are just making stuff up and debating it as if I said or believed it.

You continue to read as overly defensive. I don't know what I'd do if I were in your position, I don't know how to make it better at this point. I suspect a large dose of humility expressed wouldn't hurt the situation, but it might not help much either. Maybe you'd just feel better.
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April 25th, 2016 at 6:54:51 AM permalink
Then don't read the forum and you won't see anyone attacking you, do you monitor every forum known to man to check for the existence of these attacks? Seems silly to me, but what do i know
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April 25th, 2016 at 7:01:04 AM permalink
Quote: Wizardofnothing

Then don't read the forum and you won't see anyone attacking you, do you monitor every forum known to man to check for the existence of these attacks? Seems silly to me, but what do i know



Not again. I repeat, I came back to this thread because a third party was egregiously attacked. I came to defend him. Yet another straw man.
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April 25th, 2016 at 7:08:34 AM permalink
Quote: Wizardofnothing

Then don't read the forum and you won't see anyone attacking you, do you monitor every forum known to man to check for the existence of these attacks? Seems silly to me, but what do i know



I don't know about every forum known to man-kind....but several times on BJTF he'd make a post about "the hate site" was spewing more stuff about him, in such a timely manner he either must have gotten lucky ans been reading the forum by coincidence, or have some sort of Google-search-like program that searches for new instances of his name or combination of his name. ie, WoN: you're right.


Quote: QFIT

Yet another straw man. I never said I was always right. Time and time and time again, people here put words in my mouth that I never uttered, but beliefs in my mind I have never thought. Unable to debate what I actually say and believe; people are just making stuff up and debating it as if I said or believed it.



I never said you said you were always right.

Perhaps you view posts here as "strawman arguments" because you can't imagine being wrong.
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April 25th, 2016 at 7:10:37 AM permalink
I do believe a few minutes ago I might have been referred to as a 'straw man'.
I don't necessarily take that as an insult.
If you are but a scarecrow, with a head made of a straw filled pillow, you are a straw man.
But it wasn't very flattering either ;-)

<edit> might be considered antagonistic by some.
Well some of the other smarter guys....
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April 25th, 2016 at 7:24:08 AM permalink
Quote: RS

I don't know about every forum known to man-kind....but several times on BJTF he'd make a post about "the hate site" was spewing more stuff about him, in such a timely manner he either must have gotten lucky ans been reading the forum by coincidence.



The hate site made thousands of posts using my full real name to get listed as the top Google site for a search on my name. They would post Google results weekly to show their progress. At one point, they got to the second position. I am the only person with my name in the U.S. People Google other people's names before doing business with them. Their stated goal was to ruin QFIT. The posts contained so much Nazi imagery that if you typed my name and "images", the Google image library associated my name with images of Hitler, swastikas, etc. If you Googled my name and clicked on the second link at that time, you would see accusations against me of pedophilia, terrorism, and numerous other crimes. Of course I paid attention to the site as it threatened my ability to support my family.

Look, when you are an admin, you make enemies. These are the exact same people that caused Ken to close his site. Victor was under constant attack when he ran a forum.
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April 25th, 2016 at 7:26:21 AM permalink
Quote: QFIT

I ignored it when RonC brought me up again, out of the blue. I only came back into the thread when a third party was egregiously attacked (twice violating copyright in the process). There is absolutely no reason for me to post content at a site where everything I say is attacked. There are venues where I can have serious discussions without constant sniping. And yes, I was attacked twice when I last posted BJ content here. (Actually, three times. Twice by KJ and once by Terripine.)



Thank you for ignoring me. Kewlj (KJ is not his name on this forum) contributed valuable content to this forum. You don't. That is my opinion and you aren't going to change it unless you decide to do so.

I don't know who "Terripine" is. Perhaps that is not the correct user name, either.

I guess I am confused as to whether you were "attacked"--that would lead to a suspension or something that you write was attacked, which is not cause for a suspension.

For example:

You can call me a name and you will get suspended per the rules but you can go after my writing and not me personally...no suspension.
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April 25th, 2016 at 7:29:27 AM permalink
Maybe you just rub people the wrong way, never saw anyone say that stuff about Mike
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April 25th, 2016 at 7:31:13 AM permalink
There are two forums populated by people that were nuked here that are pretty much devoted to foul attacks against Mike. I will not post a link to them.
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April 25th, 2016 at 7:39:03 AM permalink
Foul as in disagree or foul as in people have a hatred towards him... Mike is as stand up and polite as anyone I have ever met.. Find it hard that anyone would or could have hatred towards him, disagree maybe , I disagree with some of the things he has said or done but that's different that posting anti Semitic comments about someone.
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April 25th, 2016 at 7:57:34 AM permalink
Foul as in hatred and disgusting name-calling on nearly a daily basis toward Mike and moderators here. And of course it isn't warranted. I've never seen an impolite comment from Mike. I can say the same about Ken Smith, one of the nicest guys you can meet. The same 'hate site' hounded and threatened him to the point he shut down his entire forum permanently. There is a long history of this. There was a campaign against a moderator at BJ21. Posting around the I'Net of his picture and personal info (like his license plate number) so casinos could identify him. Worst case of outing I've witnessed. They had to go to court to stop it. As a result, BJ21 shut down ALL of their free pages for a month. When they came back, they had been reduced to one forum and thousands of posts were removed. The person that hounded BJ21's moderator was himself a moderator at another forum. That forum attacked in the most disgusting manner every other forum admin and moderator for over a year with the intention of shutting them all down. Moderating can be a thankless task as some people simply aren't moderate.

EDIT: I forgot an infamous one. Before the web, there was RGB-mod on UseNet, run by Sam Case and Michael Hall. It was created to exclude a troll who made thousands of attack posts and claimed that Snyder, Wong, and I were criminal frauds (at one point claiming we were all the same person). As he was not allowed to post there, he threatened to go to court and destroy the admins. As he had inherited a large of money, they had no way to fight him and shut down the forum pretty much destroying rational BJ discussion on UseNet..
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April 25th, 2016 at 8:19:48 AM permalink
There is at least one forum that has a thread dedicated to attacking this site. I read it for chuckles because most of the commentary is a bunch of sour grapes from what look to be banned members from here (though anyone can use a different username on different forums should they want to do so). They don't say nice things about me there but much worse about others; I lose a lot of sleep over that!!
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April 25th, 2016 at 8:23:01 AM permalink
Quote: QFIT

There are two forums populated by people that were nuked here that are pretty much devoted to foul attacks against Mike. I will not post a link to them.

Did you run over to them two forums to defend Mike or do you only defend people who peddle and tout stuff on your site?

You said what you had to say why keep it going? It seems as if you like arguing and continuing all this disruptive BS.
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April 25th, 2016 at 8:23:43 AM permalink
Unfortunately, my real name is public knowledge as I started posting in olden days when most people used real names, and I'm in the financial industry where reputation matters.
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April 25th, 2016 at 8:29:32 AM permalink
Quote: QFIT

Unfortunately, my real name is public knowledge as I started posting in olden days when most people used real names, and I'm in the financial industry where reputation matters.

Because it doesn't matter in general?

It kinda sounds as you feel your reputation matters more than others because you're in the "financial industry"(whatever that means).
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April 25th, 2016 at 8:29:37 AM permalink
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Did you run over to them two forums to defend Mike or do you only defend people who peddle and tout stuff on your site? {/q]

You said what you had to say why keep it going? It seems as if you like arguing and continuing all this disruptive BS.



First, the four people that KJ attacked for peddling for profit stuff on BJTF NEVER did anything of the sort. You are repeating false accusations.

Quote: AxelWolf

You said what you have to say. Why are you keeping it going?



Second, you are once again putting thoughts in my head that aren't there. I could say exactly the same thing to you. But, I don't pretend to know what's in another person's mind.
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April 25th, 2016 at 8:35:32 AM permalink
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Because it doesn't matter in general?

It kinda sounds as you feel your reputation matters more than others because you're in the "financial industry"(whatever that means).



It matters when your real name is connected to accusations of pedophilia and fraud. People don't hire pedophiles and frauds. The financial industry is particularly sensitive to accusations of fraud.

You appear to be just arguing for the sake of arguing. And, yet again, you are claiming to know what's in my head.

This is pointless. People ignore what I say and just assume I said and believe something completely different and argue against that. Straw man arguments. Go right ahead and accuse me of causing climate change or whatever. I've got work to do.
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April 25th, 2016 at 8:36:59 AM permalink
Quote: QFIT

First, the four people that KJ attacked for peddling for profit stuff on BJTF NEVER did anything of the sort. You are repeating false accusations.



Second, you are once again putting thoughts in my head that aren't there. I could say exactly the same thing to you. But, I don't pretend to know what's in another person's mind.

I was talking about your sports tout you came over to defend. Why did you come here to defend him and his reputation, yet you know about two sites dedicated to attacking Mike, yet I don't see you defending him over on those sites.
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April 25th, 2016 at 8:49:24 AM permalink
Quote: QFIT

It matters when your real name is connected to accusations of pedophilia and fraud. People don't hire pedophiles and frauds. The financial industry is particularly sensitive to accusations of fraud.

You appear to be just arguing for the sake of arguing. And, yet again, you are claiming to know what's in my head.

This is pointless. People ignore what I say and just assume I said and believe something completely different and argue against that. Straw man arguments. Go right ahead and accuse me of causing climate change or whatever. I've got work to do.

Apparently you didn't see the question mark. And I said it sounds like.

Show me where yet again I am claiming to know what's in your head.

YOU ALSO appear to be just arguing for the sake of arguing.
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April 25th, 2016 at 9:12:15 AM permalink
Quote: QFIT

No, Sonny was not a colleague. No, I got no one banned at BJI. I only remember Sonny nuking one person. The poster had a penchant for using a word starting with N and was suspended twice. He then posted that the Chinese and Arabs were going to invade the U.S. to mate with "our superior women". Very few people ever saw that post. That got him nuked. He had previously been nuked at BJ21 and AP.COM for racist posts. None of this had anything to do with me. In fact, I had long collaborated with the poster on side bet evaluations.

What will you guys make up next? I sank the Lusitania perhaps.



This is just Madness.
I have never seen anything as weird as what you posted above in the moderated Backjackinfo website.
I mention Sonny because he always showed deference to you.
Oh yes Sonny did ban that poster because you got into a very nasty dispute with that poster.
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April 25th, 2016 at 10:03:53 AM permalink
Quote: QFIT

<snip> I've got work to do.

Could you pls just go do that work, good work I hear for the most part? You are prolly not goin' to like some of what you read here, you cannot change that, it's water under the bridge. And the water will continue to flow. It will flow harder/faster if you continue to engage here as you have, overall. Lot's of Forums. Maybe KewlJ just accused you of something insidious over there, you should go check. After that, could you just go back to work, the good work you've done. Pretty much every time you have posted here you have looked worse at the end, compared to how you looked before. Digging your own grave is an expression that comes to mind. You can do better than that, you are better than that. I don't remember Mike getting all defensive about some seriously negative stuff said elsewhere.

It's easy to get all bowed-up in a defensive position over this and that in life, it comes natural in fact. It's much harder to figure out which fights you should just simply walk away from. I suggest, humbly, that you should consider walking away from this one. You can't win them all, and you actually learn more from your loses than your wins, at least I heard that from an old Chinese guy. He was playing Bac, and he was winning. ;-)
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April 25th, 2016 at 10:50:53 AM permalink
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April 25th, 2016 at 12:18:54 PM permalink
'Kentry, work with me here',

1BB I think....
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April 25th, 2016 at 1:51:04 PM permalink
Why do the mods here let this go on and on for pages and pages?
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April 25th, 2016 at 2:08:18 PM permalink
Quote: DeMango

Why do the mods here let this go on and on for pages and pages?



It's on topic.
Hasn't broken a rule.
Hasn't become disruptive.
Isn't spilling into other threads.
I don't want to become a censor.
All parties seem willing to continue.

Or was that a rhetorical question?
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April 25th, 2016 at 4:12:04 PM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

Anyway, here's the gist of the removed page:



I have had a complaint that the link that followed this violated copyright. I'm not a lawyer, so don't know if it is a legally valid complaint. For one thing, the Way Back Machine, has old versions of just about everything on the Internet. I will say that I try to go above and beyond the law, especially for other forum members, in defending intellectual property. That said, the link has been removed.
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RS
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April 25th, 2016 at 4:28:05 PM permalink
Here we go again...
TwoFeathersATL
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April 25th, 2016 at 4:53:34 PM permalink
Quote: RS

Here we go again...

you can take your jumpy cat/pop-tart thing elsewhere if you get too abused to continue here. You're into abuse aren't you? There's a term for that, can't remember it right now ;-) 2F
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
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April 25th, 2016 at 5:04:29 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I have had a complaint that the link that followed this violated copyright. I'm not a lawyer, so don't know if it is a legally valid complaint. For one thing, the Way Back Machine, has old versions of just about everything on the Internet. I will say that I try to go above and beyond the law, especially for other forum members, in defending intellectual property. That said, the link has been removed.

I wonder who complained? I see a trend.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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April 25th, 2016 at 5:31:05 PM permalink
Quote: QFIT

"If you have any trouble sounding condescending, find a Unix user to show you how it's done."

- Scott Adams

you seems to like to quote others. (LAME)

You should come up with your own quotes.
You should respond with this quote ...."I like turtles"

You are keeping this going. As 2F said, every time you come here and post you look worst and worst. I noticed that before and may have said so.

It's seems to be you VS many. You can wast your time defending yourself VS a bunch of WOV members but You will never win that battle or war. There are just to many people here who have made up their minds. Each post you make seems to piss people off. You have not done anything to contribute anything in our eyes.

You say you do this and that for free but it all links back to your pocket. Free content is how websites drive traffic. Don't say it's out of the goodness of your heart because that's complete BS.


You may think you are right about everything you say, hell.....you might actually be right, but in the end it's public opinion that matters, especially for people who are in the "financial industry". You are seriously losing that battle here. The more you kep defending your and others honor, the more we resist and call foul.

Perhaps you have FU money and this is kinda fun for you. If not, I suggest you move on.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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April 25th, 2016 at 9:14:47 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I have had a complaint that the link that followed this violated copyright. I'm not a lawyer, so don't know if it is a legally valid complaint. For one thing, the Way Back Machine, has old versions of just about everything on the Internet. I will say that I try to go above and beyond the law, especially for other forum members, in defending intellectual property. That said, the link has been removed.



I would do the same thing in your place. If someone makes a legal complaint against your site, smart thing to do is just comply. It was a trivial link, so I don't care. It just showed QFIT promoting the wares of a sports betting tout, which he doesn't deny anyway.

But, of course the claim was without merit. Like the allegations of slander, personal attacks,

It's pretty obvious that screen capping a site is not illegal, but here's the first answer I found from a lawyer on google.

"Is taking a screenshot of a public web site (like Google or Flickr) and posting it to your weblog or in a presentation considered copyright violation, or does it fall under Fair Use?"

"The purpose and character of the use: Reproduction for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship or research is not copyright infringement. This probably covers most blogs and personal websites, but there are other factors to consider."

http://lifehacker.com/193343/ask-the-law-geek--is-publishing-screenshots-fair-use

But, if QFIT wants to control, or attempt to control, what is posted in this forum by using false allegations, I guess that's what he'll do. It just makes it clearer who is really causing all of this trouble, and how it came to be that KewlJ was forbidden from expressing his honest opinion, and why he found that so difficult to hold his tongue.

FWIW, I've dealt with online harassment on a small scale and it really sucks. The best thing to do is just walk away, when you can.

I believe QFIT and his piers have dealt with it elsewhere. Makes total sense, considering the types often drawn to gambling forums.

But I have yet to see an instance of harassment against QFIT on this particular forum. Here it is just criticisms that, on the whole, seem legitimate. They are colored, of course, by a key contributor with a huge investment here being bounced on QFIT's behalf. Meanwhile, QFIT is making false allegations and (at least perceived) insinuations of anti-antisemitism, attempting to control what is posted here. He's had pretty good success so far, so I guess it will continue.

I don't think it's having the intended effect, though.
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April 25th, 2016 at 10:24:18 PM permalink
I would flag some of the posts but I won't because I don't want to get suspended [/marshawn lynch]
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April 26th, 2016 at 5:24:37 AM permalink
I think both Qfit and Kewlj handled the whole situation like a couple of ten year olds.Neither one could let it go.
However as far as the antisemitism on another site it is not perceived it's there for anyone to see.,and now KJ with his recent posts has sunk to their level.
I get it that everyone is upset that KJ got banned here and I disagree with his banning but perhaps it's not a coincidence that he's been banned from three different sites.
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April 26th, 2016 at 8:42:37 AM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

Quote: Wizard

I have had a complaint that the link that followed this violated copyright. I'm not a lawyer, so don't know if it is a legally valid complaint. For one thing, the Way Back Machine, has old versions of just about everything on the Internet. I will say that I try to go above and beyond the law, especially for other forum members, in defending intellectual property. That said, the link has been removed.



I would do the same thing in your place. If someone makes a legal complaint against your site, smart thing to do is just comply. It was a trivial link, so I don't care. It just showed QFIT promoting the wares of a sports betting tout, which he doesn't deny anyway.

But, of course the claim was without merit.
...
But, if QFIT wants to control, or attempt to control, what is posted in this forum by using false allegations, I guess that's what he'll do.


Except false claims of copyright infringement have a chilling effect on free speech. Damages from false claims are also recoverable, including the legal bills incurred by a forum owner:

Quote: 17 U.S. Code § 512 - Limitations on liability relating to material online

(f)Misrepresentations.—Any person who knowingly materially misrepresents under this section—
(1) that material or activity is infringing, or
(2) that material or activity was removed or disabled by mistake or misidentification,
shall be liable for any damages, including costs and attorneys’ fees, incurred by the alleged infringer, by any copyright owner or copyright owner’s authorized licensee, or by a service provider, who is injured by such misrepresentation, as the result of the service provider relying upon such misrepresentation in removing or disabling access to the material or activity claimed to be infringing, or in replacing the removed material or ceasing to disable access to it.


If you're a forum owner, you should know the law. And don't be bullied by false claims of copyright infringement. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/512

For what it's worth, a URL itself isn't subject to copyright at all regardless of what's at the website, any more than your street address is subject to copyright regardless of who lives there. A URL is just a pointer to a server on the Internet. What's on that server may be copyrighted, but if you aren't incorporating that content into your own site, you're not liable for infringement. Just the host of the URL, and only insofar as copyrighted content remains at that URL. If http://www.a.b.c.com/stolenmovies.html was a link to stolen movies that someone else had hosted on the Internet, and I posted the link here, neither of us are liable for copyright infringement.
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April 26th, 2016 at 10:03:43 AM permalink
Lol. Non-lawyers ought not publicize legal advice or opinion. (Someone might sue you?)
So much bullshit; so little time!
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