ams288
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January 15th, 2018 at 2:51:15 PM permalink
I know there was a thread about this game a while back when it was somewhere in California. I can't find it.

NYNY is testing Face Up PGP.

No commission. All hands push on dealer's Ace High Pai Gow. Dealer sets their cards before the players set theirs.

There is the standard fortune side bet, as well as an Ace-High bet which pays:

40 to 1: dealer and player both have ace high Pai Gow.
15 to 1: dealer has ace high Pai Gow with the joker
5 to 1: dealer has ace high Pai Gow no joker

I just played for a couple hours, it's fun.

They said this was only their 3rd day of having the game and it's been doing well so far. The dealers often have to be reminded to set their cards first because they're obviously not used to doing that.
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January 15th, 2018 at 5:42:59 PM permalink
When I was at NYNY last month playing Pai Gow poker, there was talk of NYNY changing the rules to no commission
I really like the rule where the house sets a hand 1st
Now there is no guessing on splitting 2 pairs or keeping them together :-)
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January 15th, 2018 at 7:21:01 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

When I was at NYNY last month playing Pai Gow poker, there was talk of NYNY changing the rules to no commission
I really like the rule where the house sets a hand 1st
Now there is no guessing on splitting 2 pairs or keeping them together :-)



It's at Thunder Valley in Roseville, CA (NE of Sacramento). I've played it a few times.

Rule changes:

- No commission.
- Dealer A high is a push.
- Dealer of course sets their hand first.

It's fun to play because in a push hand you can set your lower hand to something stupid that just beats the dealer hand. You can't collude with other players because you're just trying to beat the dealer.

There is an A-high side bet which pays various amounts depending on your hand. A high no joker 5-1, with joker 15-1, dealer and player have A-H 40-1. Also plays with Fortune (normal pay table) + the Progressive side bets ($2 at Thurnder Valley)

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ams288
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January 15th, 2018 at 7:55:26 PM permalink
I was playing some PGP here at the Bellagio and the dealer said everyone keeps telling her about the new game at NYNY. Then this French guy sits down and proceeds to tell us all about it. lol
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January 16th, 2018 at 2:20:07 AM permalink
This game is very interesting and I'd definitely play it if it were still around when I'm there in 5 months.

This seems like definitely one of the harder games to figure out math wise. That's what I'm most interested in actually.

The second thing I'd be interested in is gameplay. Do a lot of people muck their hands, making the game faster? Does the dealer have to wait before everyone is done before starting the payout/push process?
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January 16th, 2018 at 7:16:18 AM permalink
Great game. Fun play.
boymimbo
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January 16th, 2018 at 9:27:25 AM permalink
The math is based on the House Way of each casino which would dictate what the exact HE is. In the case of TV, the rules around two pair and single pair with a K and A are important. I don't know what those rules are exactly. The s game site here says 1.60% HA.

As for gameplay, people muck their hands when they lose and they don't have a Fortune Hand which makes gameplay faster. People also muck when the dealer has A High and don't have a fortune hand and is not playing the A-High bonus.

People also set their hands faster because they simply have to make a determination of what to beat rather than think about certain plays. It doesn't stop people from slowly revealing their cards or follow whatever silly ritual (I have one too) they do in opening their cards and setting their hands.
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January 16th, 2018 at 9:41:41 AM permalink
Might be the next leap in "new" gaming ideas... for the dealer to start playing their hands first. Of course I'm sure that would cause adjustments to rules/payouts to level the HE for the house, but it would give players a fresh way to play a lot of games. I like the idea.
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January 16th, 2018 at 10:40:12 AM permalink
Strange, this isn't listed in Gaming's list of games on field trial.

I clicked on the web site of the game owner and got a very stern warning that it was a dangerous site. However, it showed the content for about one second before the warning came up. I managed to get a screenshot, which I am copying and pasting below. I hope the owner doesn't mind and I'm happy to remove it upon request.

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January 16th, 2018 at 10:54:56 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

Might be the next leap in "new" gaming ideas... for the dealer to start playing their hands first. Of course I'm sure that would cause adjustments to rules/payouts to level the HE for the house, but it would give players a fresh way to play a lot of games. I like the idea.



That was tried on a poker variant at the Wynn a few years ago. It used an optical reader in the shuffler to tell the dealer how to play without the dealer knowing the cards. I take it the field trial didn't go well because I haven't seen the game since.
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