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January 16th, 2018 at 11:14:17 AM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

The math is based on the House Way of each casino which would dictate what the exact HE is. In the case of TV, the rules around two pair and single pair with a K and A are important. I don't know what those rules are exactly. The s game site here says 1.60% HA.



They also say 40 hands per hour at a full table. That sounds generous. Add in the fact that mistakes are very unlikely and I have a hard time seeing this be a better game than regular PGP (for the casinos). That said... More people will just fold rather than watch their hand lose. I don't know.

I do not believe I would like this game as much. You're taking away the skill element.
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January 16th, 2018 at 11:38:19 AM permalink
Is there a progressive on this game, and if so, is it that godawful $5 progressive seen on the rest of the strip?
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January 16th, 2018 at 11:59:12 AM permalink
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...I do not believe I would like this game as much. You're taking away the skill element.

Eh, what was the skill element before? Memorizing basic strategy and playing your hands the same way every time? In this new scenario, you simply just don't have to remember the strategy... just try to beat what you see, and if you can't try to get a push.
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January 16th, 2018 at 12:14:47 PM permalink
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That was tried on a poker variant at the Wynn a few years ago. It used an optical reader in the shuffler to tell the dealer how to play without the dealer knowing the cards. I take it the field trial didn't go well because I haven't seen the game since.


I think it was called dealer bluff poker,they had it at thunder valley also,it didn't last long.
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January 16th, 2018 at 12:51:14 PM permalink
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Eh, what was the skill element before? Memorizing basic strategy and playing your hands the same way every time? In this new scenario, you simply just don't have to remember the strategy... just try to beat what you see, and if you can't try to get a push.



Since often many more than just your 7 cards are known to you there are changes to basic strategy that occur ever so often. The simplest being if you know no aces remain you re evaluate the strength of a KQ low hand, as an example. So 6's and 5's with a KQ I'd usually split, but if I know the dealer can't have an ace I'll put the KQ up.
Not common, but to me it's added fun when going against a house way gives added EV, even if minimal.
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January 16th, 2018 at 1:05:21 PM permalink
Is this the same game that was in California, or is it a similar product from a different vendor? I thought the one in California was called "Seven Up Pai Gow".
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January 16th, 2018 at 1:13:32 PM permalink
This is the same game as in Thunder Valley and is called "face Up Pai Gow". I can only speak to the one in Thunder Valley. They operate four of these tables there (and 3 - 4 regular PGP pokers). Both games are exactly the same and owned by SHFL.

It's an approved game in Nevada as Face Up Pai Gow: Nevada Gaming official rules
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January 16th, 2018 at 2:07:21 PM permalink
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Since often many more than just your 7 cards are known to you there are changes to basic strategy that occur ever so often. The simplest being if you know no aces remain you re evaluate the strength of a KQ low hand, as an example. So 6's and 5's with a KQ I'd usually split, but if I know the dealer can't have an ace I'll put the KQ up.
Not common, but to me it's added fun when going against a house way gives added EV, even if minimal.

But aren't you getting BETTER information with knowing the dealers hand (plus all the other cards since they're all face up)? For example, say the dealer still had their hand down and you saw all other hands on the table face up. You'd think, great, with all this info I can skillfully play better. Well, turn the dealers hand up, and that's the most info/skill you could play with?
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January 16th, 2018 at 2:11:17 PM permalink
Quote: Hunterhill

I think it was called dealer bluff poker,they had it at thunder valley also,it didn't last long.


Their website still has Dealer Bluff as of today: Thunder Valley Table Games (see pull down menu)...I would guess it has been at TV for 3+ years now.
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January 16th, 2018 at 2:16:10 PM permalink
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Eh, what was the skill element before? Memorizing basic strategy and playing your hands the same way every time? In this new scenario, you simply just don't have to remember the strategy... just try to beat what you see, and if you can't try to get a push.



The skill element was there to make me feel superior to people who'd never put a queen on top (this is just an example). It's not exactly the same as dropping the game to a 3CP-level of mindlessness, but it's definitely a dumbing down of the game. Please don't get me wrong, I never played PGP for the "skill" factor, but this game drops the whole strategy element and that, by itself, would make me choose regular PGP every time.
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