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EvenBob
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August 21st, 2013 at 1:16:19 PM permalink
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I had another pit boss, who was retiring in a few months, ask me, point blank, would I mind if he could piggy-back my play.



LOL, sure he did. Aren't you the guy who said on another
forum that your play was so astounding that a casino offered
you a job in the pit overseeing bac play? I'm sure that was
you, I'll look for the post.

If you're going to tell whoppers, they might as well be big ones..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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August 21st, 2013 at 1:31:01 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

LOL, sure he did. Aren't you the guy who said on another
forum that your play was so astounding that a casino offered
you a job in the pit overseeing bac play? I'm sure that was
you, I'll look for the post.

If you're going to tell whoppers, they might as well be big ones..



I'm confused. I thought the great Bob told us all to stop feeding the Trolls.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
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August 21st, 2013 at 1:40:58 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

LOL, sure he did. Aren't you the guy who said on another
forum that your play was so astounding that a casino offered
you a job in the pit overseeing bac play? I'm sure that was
you, I'll look for the post.

If you're going to tell whoppers, they might as well be big ones..



Hey Spike/EvenBob, don't you dare attempt to spread lies regarding me or my play! I never, ever was offered a casino job, and wouldn't accept it if I were....I can make more money on a Thurs night/Fri afternoon than I would all week standing on my feet overseeing their Bac game.

As I recall, aren't you the guy with the "72% strike rate" at your even-money EC game?

I'm pretty sure that was you, I'll look for the post! Better yet, anyone here that's interested could do a quick search @ Gamblers Glen, username "Spike".

And, yeah, you oughta know a thing or two or hundred about tellin' big whoppers, Mr. 72%!!!!!

Stay away from me, Spike/EvenBob (ever wonder why some need multiple screen names?), if you intend to spread filthy lies.
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August 21st, 2013 at 1:49:45 PM permalink
Quote: gr8player

Hey Spike/EvenBob, don't you dare attempt to spread lies regarding me or my play! .



Aren't you the same guy who claimed a casino manager
used to invite you to his house for dinner because he was
so impressed with your skill? Has the guy who's retiring
asked you out to dinner yet? He wants to learn all your
secrets, be careful..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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August 21st, 2013 at 2:08:18 PM permalink
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What's the purpose of trash like this to be posted within my thread? To serve what purpose, exactly? Other than to incite and inflame?

Absolutely disgraceful...."bottom of the barrel" stuff, even for the likes of you, Spike/EvenBob!
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August 21st, 2013 at 2:35:26 PM permalink
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I'm confused. I thought the great Bob told us all to stop feeding the Trolls.



So you're with the "great Bob" in all of this, thecesspit? Trust me, that man is the very antithesis of "great".

I had you pegged as a much better decision-maker than that, my friend, 'cause you got your money on the wrong horse. Know that....
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August 21st, 2013 at 2:37:42 PM permalink
Quote: gr8player

So you're with the "great Bob" in all of this, thecesspit?



In all of what? I was merely pointing out Bob's hypocrisy in telling us all to stop responding then... responding himself... facepalm.

Probably was ethically dissimilar though...

Quote:

I had you pegged as a much better decision-maker than that, my friend, 'cause you got your money on the wrong horse. Know that....



I don't have money on either horse, thanks.
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August 21st, 2013 at 2:43:38 PM permalink
Quote: gr8player

So you're with the "great Bob" in all of this, thecesspit? Trust me, that man is the very antithesis of "great".

I had you pegged as a much better decision-maker than that, my friend, 'cause you got your money on the wrong horse. Know that....


Mr. gr8player,

Your humble students are giddy with anticipation as we await your response. Please prove your naysayers wrong, great teacher! We would all like to know:

Have you accepted the challenge yet?
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August 21st, 2013 at 2:44:49 PM permalink
Quote: thecesspit

In all of what? I was merely pointing out Bob's hypocrisy in telling us all to stop responding then... responding himself... facepalm.

Probably was ethically dissimilar though...


Bingo, you hit the nail on the head!! You are the man!! (haha) ;)
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August 21st, 2013 at 2:46:38 PM permalink
Quote: gr8player


Absolutely disgraceful...."bottom of the barrel" stuff, even for the likes of you



Hey, you're the one who just claimed the pit manager,
the big chief, the boss of everybody in the pit, asked
you if he could piggyback your bets. He was that
impressed with your play. We have a pit manager among
us here, lets see if he weighs in on the odds of this
happening in the dimension outside of the Twilight Zone
you claim to live in.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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August 21st, 2013 at 2:59:50 PM permalink
Do not twist my words....if you wish to conduct a discourse, do so in a truthful manner.

The pitboss in question was about to retire in a couple of months, and actually made two distinct remarks to me:

1.) He'd never seen a Baccarat player with my patience. He, apparently, could not conceive anyone charting the table and waiting that length of time before committing to a play (read: a trend play).

2.) He said that he was about to retire, and asked me if I would be against him playing Baccarat alongside me after he retires. He stated that he enjoys the game and had done some of his own "research" into it (I can only suppose that meant that he was looking into some possible "advantage" plays), and was most impressed with my particular "mode" of play. (I say "mode" because while he might've had an inkling of my play, he didn't know nearly as much as he'd have liked to....hence, he wanted to play alongside me.) Needless to say, I never did give him any real answer, pretty much just shrugging the inquiry off.

That is THE TRUTH of it. When you read "gr8player", you read THE TRUTH. Tell us, Spike/EvenBob, can the same be said of you?
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August 21st, 2013 at 3:18:19 PM permalink
I see multiple suspensions coming out of this one.
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August 21st, 2013 at 3:31:56 PM permalink
Yes Gr8player: "When you read "gr8player", you read THE TRUTH."

Hello Gr8player,
First of all, I would like to thank you very much for your tireless effort in convincing players that there is a way to overcome the casino edge but that holy grail is come from within ourselves. That is we can make it happen if we have a plan and a necessary patience and discipline to carry out our plan.
I have read a lot of your posts from GG Forum to Baccarat Forum and I have to tell you that I absolutely agree with what you said because it came from years of experience. Too bad that some members did not see or understand what you try to explain in the posts and even joke about your idea. I think it is unfair that people treat you like that. That why I did try to direct you to look for somewhere else twice (one in private message and one in the other thread “Decisions, Decision”) so that you can share your valuable ideas where people will more appreciate.
I have few questions for you but I’m not sure if it is in the right place at a right time to put my question here with all the heated exchange between members.
Anyway, Good luck!
OS
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August 21st, 2013 at 5:35:02 PM permalink
Quote: gr8player

Do not twist my words....



I said:

Quote: EvenBob

Hey, you're the one who just claimed the pit manager,
the big chief, the boss of everybody in the pit, asked
you if he could piggyback your bets. .



How is that twisting your words. Please point out the twist.
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August 21st, 2013 at 5:45:46 PM permalink
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Yes Gr8player: "When you read "gr8player", you read THE TRUTH."

Hello Gr8player,
First of all, I would like to thank you very much for your tireless effort in convincing players that there is a way to overcome the casino edge...That why I did try to direct you to look for somewhere else twice (one in private message and one in the other thread “Decisions, Decision”) so that you can share your valuable ideas where people will more appreciate.
I have few questions for you but I’m not sure if it is in the right place at a right time to put my question here with all the heated exchange between members.
Anyway, Good luck!
OS



A friend of the great one. This was cut and pasted from where? English not his native language either!
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August 21st, 2013 at 5:53:56 PM permalink
Gr8,

A couple things for learning pleasure...

Suits don't come down to intimidate. This is not the 50's and they have no reason to even try to. They can just ask you to leave anytime they feel like it. As a matter of fact, if they had any concern about your play they would most likely do it via live video feed into their office or Surveillance would do it.

There is no "winner" rating in any pit software that I know of. There are "skill" ratings, but those relate to how well you play close to perfect.

It is possible that an employee would want to play with you when he retires. Maybe you play well. Maybe you're a fun or interesting guy. Most likely it has nothing to do with you thinking you can beat the house. More than just him would know if you were and I doubt he would risk termination during his last days by not performing his job if you do indeed deserve to be removed from the property based on their standards.

You may well be a good player, but you're off on what happens on the other side of the tables.

ZCore13
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August 22nd, 2013 at 3:42:02 AM permalink
Just watched a poker video (ESPN) featuring Archie Karas who built his roll up to $40M then lost it all. He says he lost $20M at baccarat in just 10 days! Ouch! He now plays $5 chips. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMlb_sz6Esk
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August 22nd, 2013 at 4:06:20 AM permalink
So how can you be a good player at Bac??? I once took out a quarter, Delaware George. Heads=Banker. Flipped it 8 times, won 7 hands. Gave it to the astonished Asian girl next to me. So I am a good player, no?
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August 22nd, 2013 at 7:40:52 AM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Gr8,

A couple things for learning pleasure...

Suits don't come down to intimidate. This is not the 50's and they have no reason to even try to. They can just ask you to leave anytime they feel like it. As a matter of fact, if they had any concern about your play they would most likely do it via live video feed into their office or Surveillance would do it.

There is no "winner" rating in any pit software that I know of. There are "skill" ratings, but those relate to how well you play close to perfect.

It is possible that an employee would want to play with you when he retires. Maybe you play well. Maybe you're a fun or interesting guy. Most likely it has nothing to do with you thinking you can beat the house. More than just him would know if you were and I doubt he would risk termination during his last days by not performing his job if you do indeed deserve to be removed from the property based on their standards.

You may well be a good player, but you're off on what happens on the other side of the tables.

ZCore13



Hello, Zcore13. Thank you for taking the time and interest to contribute to the thread, much appreciated.

First, let me expound a bit on the "suits" story, for I think that the broader picture may assist you in understanding the entire situation a bit better. I was on a particularly good run at the time, and so I hadn't lost at this particular hotel in quite some time. As my session had begun, maybe 5 minutes into it, three gentleman appear in the pit, one in particular standing arms folded, just staring at me. To me, it seemed an intimidation ploy, so much so that I colored up and made a bee line to the CCC (Casino Control Commission...in those days, they had a booth in every casino) and asked them the following: "Can I be banned from playing Baccarat here for the sole reason of winning consistently?" to which the officer replied "Are you cheating in any way?" and, of course, I said I am not, and he then said "No, they cannot ban you from playing the game solely for winning." While I did feel a sense of relief, I still was a bit taken aback about the entire affair.

As to the "positive expectation" rating:

A "casino friend" of mine (I knew him for years....he started as a floorperson in one hotel and moved on to credit mgr at another) and I were "shootin' the breeze" when we started speaking about my relatively lousy comp/ratings. He then proceeded to look it up for me. Upon perusing the screen, he told me that I am rated with a "positive expectation". I said what!? He said that I am rated to win. He then showed me exactly what he saw....and, sure enough, it looked to me (I say it "looked to me" because I never, ever broached that subject with him again, and so it's only my interpretation, I didn't ask him to explain it any further) to be a positive (read: plus) percentage as a part of my rating screen (along w/buy-in and cash-out and times, etc).

Lastly, Zcore13, as to the "employee wanting to play with me when he retires":

Your assumption that it "has nothing to do with thinking I can beat the house" is a wrong one, my friend. He sees me as a winner, of that I haven't a doubt. This wasn't about a "social call" on his part in any way, shape, or form. He wanted to become a part of my Bac game, but that was never, ever gonna happen. I might be stupid, but I'm not dumb.LOL

As to the "risk termination" on his part....what risk was there? He had to know enough of me to know that I'd never have breathed a word of it to any other casino employee, and, as it happens, I did not. So if, in fact, he was taking any risk at all, he had to know it was rather non-existant from my perspective.

Thank you again, Zcore13, for taking the time to post your take on those happenstances. Be well.
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August 22nd, 2013 at 8:01:20 AM permalink
Quote: ongsoc2

Yes Gr8player: "When you read "gr8player", you read THE TRUTH."

Hello Gr8player,
First of all, I would like to thank you very much for your tireless effort in convincing players that there is a way to overcome the casino edge but that holy grail is come from within ourselves. That is we can make it happen if we have a plan and a necessary patience and discipline to carry out our plan.
I have read a lot of your posts from GG Forum to Baccarat Forum and I have to tell you that I absolutely agree with what you said because it came from years of experience. Too bad that some members did not see or understand what you try to explain in the posts and even joke about your idea. I think it is unfair that people treat you like that. That why I did try to direct you to look for somewhere else twice (one in private message and one in the other thread “Decisions, Decision”) so that you can share your valuable ideas where people will more appreciate.
I have few questions for you but I’m not sure if it is in the right place at a right time to put my question here with all the heated exchange between members.
Anyway, Good luck!
OS



Thank you so very much, ongsoc2, for taking the time and interest to post your opinions. You've no idea how satisfying it is for me to read of a fellow Bac player that actually "gets it" and, just as importantly, takes the time to post of their appreciation.

There are people around here that believe that my time is wasted because no one is listening, but they are not privy to any of my private conversations with players that really are trying to improve their Bac games.

Those that actually play this game, and do so in a serious manner with rather strict limits for themselves, know exactly what good Baccarat theories and plays look like, and those people are most appreciative.

On the contrary, those that DO NOT actually play this game, and are pretty much against anyone that dares takes this game seriously, know exactly how to discourage and discredit anything and everything Baccarat-related. Shame on them......
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August 22nd, 2013 at 8:19:36 AM permalink
Quote: gr8player

Thank you so very much, ongsoc2, for taking the time and interest to post your opinions. You've no idea how satisfying it is for me to read of a fellow Bac player that actually "gets it" and, just as importantly, takes the time to post of their appreciation.

There are people around here that believe that my time is wasted because no one is listening, but they are not privy to any of my private conversations with players that really are trying to improve their Bac games.

Those that actually play this game, and do so in a serious manner with rather strict limits for themselves, know exactly what good Baccarat theories and plays look like, and those people are most appreciative.

On the contrary, those that DO NOT actually play this game, and are pretty much against anyone that dares takes this game seriously, know exactly how to discourage and discredit anything and everything Baccarat-related. Shame on them......


To gr8player (my esteemed teacher),

Have you accepted the challenge yet?
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August 22nd, 2013 at 9:17:01 AM permalink
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Historical: my recorded statistics on each trend over 1000 shoes.

#1) Is it your claim that over 1000 shoes you have a net profit from all your wagers?
or is it from more than 1000 shoes.

#2) and because you showed a profit from your method of play this
should mean 100% of all others (Baccarat players)
that 'duplicate your exact method of play'
would also show a net profit after 1000 shoes played.
Is this also a claim of yours?

#3) How many such total wagers did you make in 1000 shoes?
2,000
5,000
10,000 (this would be an average of 10 wagers per shoe)

#4) what percentage of total wagers are flat bets only and
are not part of a negative betting progression?

Observation:
You must know that out of 100,000 blind Gorillas playing Baccarat for bananas only and
making 10,000 total wagers on Banker only, blindly,
about 12,638 (on average)
will end up (and did in my sample test)
end up showing a profit... and some won so much (flay betting only)
they are offered big $$$ to appear on Oprah and Ellen to share their secrets.

No trend betting, betting only when they wanted a banana.

#5) why are you different from those winning Gorillas? (other than you must be a human)

1 in 8 is really nothing special statistically playing Baccarat
(But winning Gorillas over 10k bets IS NEWS!)
and someone has to be on the right side of the bell curve.
#6) Agree?
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August 22nd, 2013 at 9:19:41 AM permalink
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So how can you be a good player at Bac??? I once took out a quarter, Delaware George. Heads=Banker. Flipped it 8 times, won 7 hands. Gave it to the astonished Asian girl next to me. So I am a good player, no?



Not any more you're not, DeMango, you gave away the winning quarter....lol
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August 22nd, 2013 at 9:36:44 AM permalink
Quote: 7craps

#1) Is it your claim that over 1000 shoes you have a net profit from all your wagers?
or is it from more than 1000 shoes.

#2) and because you showed a profit from your method of play this
should mean 100% of all others (Baccarat players)
that 'duplicate your exact method of play'
would also show a net profit after 1000 shoes played.
Is this also a claim of yours?

#3) How many such total wagers did you make in 1000 shoes?
2,000
5,000
10,000 (this would be an average of 10 wagers per shoe)

#4) what percentage of total wagers are flat bets only and
are not part of a negative betting progression?

Observation:

You must know that out of 100,000 blind Gorillas playing Baccarat for bananas only and
making 10,000 total wagers on Banker only, blindly,
about 12,638 (on average)
will end up (and did in my sample test)
end up showing a profit... and some won so much (flay betting only)
they are offered big $$$ to appear on Oprah and Ellen to share their secrets.

No trend betting, betting only when they wanted a banana.

#5) why are you different from those winning Gorillas? (other than you must be a human)

1 in 8 is really nothing special statistically playing Baccarat
(But winning Gorillas over 10k bets IS NEWS!)
and someone has to be on the right side of the bell curve.
#6) Agree?



1.) I have a net profit from those 1000 shoes that I tested.

2.) No. I play a "subjective" game, with "start(s)" and "stop(s)" triggers. Only I can play my Bac game exactly the way I play my Bac game.

3.) In those 1000 tested shoes, I'd say roughly 12,000 bets, or a dozen a shoe.

4.) Hmmm....with my mode of play, where I'm in and out of bet "adjustments" rather frequently, that question is a very, very difficult one to answer. Sorry.

5.) IMHO, I'm much better lookin'......

6.) No. This game owes no one anything. I work (and I mean I work hard) for every dollar at this game, make no mistake of it. If it were easy, any gorilla could do it.
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August 22nd, 2013 at 10:22:28 AM permalink
I think you might be in for a rude awakening during your next 1,000 shoes. We'll (you mostly) will soon find out. You probably wouldn't believe the number of people that have come through here with systems that worked for their first 12,000 tested hands.

I hope you can keep it up. If I had Bac at my place I'd comp you a room and have you over... :)

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August 22nd, 2013 at 10:30:52 AM permalink
Quote: gr8player

6.) No. This game owes no one anything. I work (and I mean I work hard) for every dollar at this game, make no mistake of it. If it were easy, any gorilla could do it.



You miss the point. Around 10% of the Gorillas can do it after 12,000 bets. If you your average bet size is much bigger than your flat bet size, it's similar to making less than 12,000 flat bets, so more likely than by random play you would be after 12,000 bets.

It's a good way to test. Take your 12,000 bets, apply them to a random string of results and see the likely hood of getting the same results as you did by chance. If it's 10% then it's nothing special. If it's 1% it's interesting, if it's 0.01% then you can tell yourself you have something.

But 12,000 bets is not enough. Obviously you can't simulate your method (from what you've said), so you'll have to continue to practice and play and hope that it's not random chance. Because it could be. You have to understand that for all your work, there's a strong possibility that you just got lucky.
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August 22nd, 2013 at 10:40:18 AM permalink
Whoa, fellas, hold on a sec....

While I've tested but 1000 shoes, that was years ago.....I've played countless hands since then, and I'm still going strong. I'll be in Mohegan tonight and Friday.

But, that said, I do appreciate both your interests and your insights, Zcore13 and thecesspit. Much appreciated, thanks.
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August 22nd, 2013 at 10:56:22 AM permalink
Quote: gr8player


Those that actually play this game, and do so in a serious manner with rather strict limits for themselves, know exactly what good Baccarat theories and plays look like, and those people are most appreciative.



Are you here to teach us what good baccarat plays look like, because after reading your posts I have no idea. Here is the advice I have gleaned from your writings.
- win one unit as often as possible
- minimize losses
- Each shoe has characteristics
- Through years of experience you can identify these characteristics and exploit them

Surely you can see that these lessons are of no value to me. What are these characteristics?
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August 22nd, 2013 at 12:42:44 PM permalink
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August 22nd, 2013 at 12:49:21 PM permalink
Hello, JimRockford, and thank you for your inquiry.

I'm not here to "teach" anyone anything. I came to this forum seeking some good Baccarat discussion, a discourse among like-minded members.

And what you have gleaned, JimRockford, you should not be so dismissive of, IMHO. Winning one unit and minimizing losses are paramount to one's long term success, and while those words all come easy, they can be the toughest things to actually accomplish....limiting and accepting short losses and graciously accepting short wins.

Lastly, you ask about shoe "charateristics":

Well, to begin with you should be familiar with the fact that, on average, a single shoe will contain 18 - 20 singles, 8 - 10 doubles, and 3 - 5 triples (or mores). On average. So you have an idea of what to expect and what to look for inside of most shoes.

Then you can begin to think about forming a bet selection process for yourself. Now, think about it a minute....while forming that bet selection process, you must be aware of what your "nemesis" is going to be....what you might lose to....think about it.....would you want those to be the singles, knowing they occur as often as they do? Alternatively, might you be best served in forming a bet selection process that uses those singles?

Just a start, just food for thought.

Now, trends are another matter. I concentrate on the first three holes on my Bac scorecard, the 1-, 2- and 3-holes. I'll treat the Banker and Player side as the totally separate entities that they are. Is the Banker hitting the 3-hole at each sighting of a double-Banker? Or, is it stopping at the double? Either way, it's a trending opportunity. Give the Player's side equal weight and, hence, an equal look. Shoes will have these propensities, especially when you view each side individually......learn to pounce on them.

Now, that's the good news. What about the bad? What of those shoes that are holding virtually no trends? (Rare, but happens.) Time to put your hands in your pockets. There's no bet to be had. If you don't have the patience to wait it out, you're nothing more than just another chump. If you don't have the discipline to play your preferred plays, again, it's chump-ville for you.

Last, but certainly not least, is bet size "manipulation". Therein lies the rub, my friend. For we must bet more into our winners than we do into our losers. Wow, talk about "easier said than done". Ahh, but it is doable. Learn to adjust your bet size up a bit as your personal variance is, apparently, on the upswing. IOW, when you're winning. If you're betting three units (say $15), in a positive swing, raise your bet one unit to $20. If you happen to win that $20 bet, you can safely add one unit at each consecutive winner, because it was all paid for already when you won that first $20 bet. It costs you nothing after you hit that first one-unit raise, and you're taking advantage of a possibly good personal variance upswing.

Now, JimRockford, that is not exactly how I go about it. But the idea is the same and the theory is the same. Work on it, my friend, and keep me posted at to your progress.

I wish you all the very best of it.
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August 22nd, 2013 at 12:55:48 PM permalink
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Surely you can see that these lessons are of no value to me.



Thats his purpose. To talk and talk and talk
and never say anything useful. He's the evangelist
of bac, two hour sermons with not a single relevant
point.
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August 22nd, 2013 at 1:01:02 PM permalink
When I was a child I could always find faces in the clouds, but I was not under the illusion that it was characteristic of clouds to shape themselves into faces.
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August 22nd, 2013 at 1:07:36 PM permalink
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When I was a child I could always find faces in the clouds, but I was not under the illusion that it was characteristic of clouds to shape themselves into faces.



GR8 bets on the cloud faces, he knows something you don't.
His posts are in secret code, maybe thats why nobody understands
them.
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August 22nd, 2013 at 1:09:43 PM permalink
Actually bac is very beatable. But you must squeeze the cards properly. Ahigh gives personal lessons for a modest fee.
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August 22nd, 2013 at 1:24:21 PM permalink
1.) Stop it, Spike/EvenBob, this unyielding quest of yours to discredit me. On the contrary, everyone here already knows you as our resident Forum Fool. They got to it twice as quickly as they did at the Glen. Anyone with any computer savvy at all can simply perform a search at the Glen for "Spike 72%" and you can read all about how your "EvenBob" (Spike was his username at the Glen) claims that he hits an even-chance game at a here-to-fore impossible 72% strike rate. He was our Forum Fool, now he's yours over here. Good luck dealing with this proven fool.

2.) JimRockford, how nice that you recall your childhood memories here. But, my friend, if you're intention is to confuse those random cloud formations with the results dispensed from a closed-end Baccarat shoe, than, my friend, I'm afraid you'd be better off betting on Lucille Ball's face appearing in the clouds just above you right now. You are that lost. Your belief is that wrong. Sorry to be the bearer of that news.
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August 22nd, 2013 at 1:26:43 PM permalink
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Thats his purpose. To talk and talk and talk and never say anything useful.


Irony.
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August 22nd, 2013 at 1:32:35 PM permalink
Is it possible that gr8player and ahigh are twins separated at birth ? Just asking.
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August 22nd, 2013 at 1:33:23 PM permalink
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1.) Stop it, Spike/EvenBob, this unyielding quest of yours to discredit me. On the contrary, everyone here already knows you as our resident Forum Fool. They got to it twice as quickly as they did at the Glen. Anyone with any computer savvy at all can simply perform a search at the Glen for "Spike 72%" and you can read all about how your "EvenBob" (Spike was his username at the Glen) claims that he hits an even-chance game at a here-to-fore impossible 72% strike rate. He was our Forum Fool, now he's yours over here. Good luck dealing with this proven fool.

2.) JimRockford, how nice that you recall your childhood memories here. But, my friend, if you're intention is to confuse those random cloud formations with the results dispensed from a closed-end Baccarat shoe, than, my friend, I'm afraid you'd be better off betting on Lucille Ball's face appearing in the clouds just above you right now. You are that lost. Your belief is that wrong. Sorry to be the bearer of that news.



I was just about to post how polite and respectful you've been and you call Bob the Forum Fool.
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August 22nd, 2013 at 1:34:55 PM permalink
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Is it possible that gr8player and ahigh are twins separated at birth ? Just asking.


What a coincidence -- I was wondering the exact same thing about you and EvenBob.
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August 22nd, 2013 at 1:40:14 PM permalink
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What a coincidence -- I was wondering the exact same thing about you and EvenBob.



Shhhh Someone might wonder about you and Bob Singer !
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August 22nd, 2013 at 1:48:40 PM permalink
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you as our resident Forum Fool... He was our Forum Fool, now he's yours over here. Good luck dealing with this proven fool.



Ah, name calling. In debate class they always told
us you knew when the other side was out of ideas
when they resorted to schoolyard name calling.

Congratulations.
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August 22nd, 2013 at 1:56:08 PM permalink
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Ah, name calling. In debate class they always told
us you knew when the other side was out of ideas
when they resorted to schoolyard name calling.

Congratulations.



Still feeding the 'troll', Bob, that you told us not to? The person -you- name-called first? Did you run out of ideas first?

The irony astounds me. Or it would if I hadn't seen it all before.
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August 22nd, 2013 at 2:33:46 PM permalink
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Ah, name calling. In debate class they always told us you knew when the other side was out of ideas when they resorted to schoolyard name calling.


No doubt those debate class teachings played an important part in your calling to the "Japanese businessman" at the cashier window.
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August 22nd, 2013 at 2:59:04 PM permalink
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Still feeding the 'troll', Bob, that you told us not to? .



That was advice, not an order. I can't take my own
advice, thats what my wife says too. Hmmm...
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August 23rd, 2013 at 3:38:22 AM permalink
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What a coincidence -- I was wondering the exact same thing about you and EvenBob.



Post of the month!
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August 23rd, 2013 at 6:35:43 AM permalink
I thought you would be to busy spending your winning to notice : Powerball $425 Million
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August 23rd, 2013 at 6:48:49 AM permalink
Obviously GR8s systems surpass anyone else's. So I'll happily bow out of the debate as a stupid moron who knows absolutely nothing about fucking anything.

It's like talking to my wife or my daughter. I'm starting to get it now.

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August 23rd, 2013 at 8:42:57 AM permalink
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Actually bac is very beatable. But you must squeeze the cards properly. Ahigh gives personal lessons for a modest fee.

LOL
Fighting BS one post at a time!
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August 23rd, 2013 at 10:32:45 AM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

Sums it perfectly
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August 23rd, 2013 at 2:59:23 PM permalink
Quote: thecesspit

Assuming regression to the mean based on past performance on random results is the gambler's fallacy.

In short, you are claiming a correlation between previous results and future results, where none exists, and especially not without card counting (examining the make up of the deck).

-4 from median trends is just a fancy way of expressing the gambler's fallacy ... that things have to go back towards average. Claiming a shoe is not 'random' because it's pre-ordained is also failing to understand the term 'random' in it's purest sense. Use unpredictable if you will. There's no fundamental difference from dealing from the front of the shoe or from the middle or every fifth card.

Therefore the result is still random, as you cannot know if there will be more Banker's or Player in the rest of the shoe (or in the next short term few hands), unless your trends are a magnitude more complex than you have alluded to, then you have nothing to ponder on except pretty words and a bogus terms like 'money management' and 'mental attitude'.

No, if there exists a good system, that one can follow and use, it would lead to money management and discipline, not the vice-versa magical thinking you propose and money others before you have tried to sell.

Carry on, if it works, we bother trying to sell me the golden goose. One wonders if personal acclamation is more important to you than winning in a casino. If it is, then one suspects you do not have the discipline and attitude you so implore others to have.


I've been saying this for years, but on a forums of inexperienced novices and non-players, many lapped up GR8's sermons. You should be getting the message now GR8, I was right all along (I already knew that). The lift somehow seem to miss the top floors with you, and YESSS I recall your plays from the defunct baccaratforums web-site were you were revered, I wonder why?

One of GR8's favoured plays, if you see BBB P BBB P B (place a big bet on Bank right here and right now)
Or the second and third hole of a score card have been populated by prior results, bet the same as the last decision. GR8 particularly likes the latter since my own analysis of the Zumma books showed a potential 56% strike rate, hence GR8 has had a 56% strike rate ever since!

While a shoe is totally and unequivocally unpredictable, GR8 is not. Ignore him and his posts will become even more strange and grandiose, next he will be expecting us all to swoon over his betting $200 per hand and parlaying the wins, which would probably be an 8 fold increase on reality and a 20 fold increase on what he once divulged to me privately.

However leave him to his edge which is greater than any BJ player would ever enjoy (his words not mine), it is refreshing that more experienced players realise it has more to do with adulation first and foremost.
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