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October 17th, 2023 at 1:20:41 AM permalink
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I'm 4-3 posting on college o/u - I got crushed picking college ats - from now on only o/u - unless I get crushed again - then I'll just do the tracking - no handicapping


today__________Middle Tennessee/Liberty___ under_____ 55.5

Wednesday______________N. Mexico St./Utep_____under______48.5___________glta

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October 17th, 2023 at 7:44:33 AM permalink
I was 1-15 on my first 16 NFL bets that settled on Sunday. I did well Sunday night with mostly Giants + points, Bills money line, and under. Plus did very well last night with Cowboys/under. But hard to come back from 1-15 start!

DK special last night was Harper to HR at +650. Cha Ching!

BR today removed the markedly +EV tennis offer of 4 leg parlay, if you lose get loss amount back as a free bet. Oh well. Still using the 5 leg soccer parlay $10 bet that, win or lose, gets you 50% profit boost on a $25 bet. I need San Marino/Denmark soccer game under 5.5 goals to finish 3 legger which will pay at around 10-1, using one of those boosts. I hedged a little on over 4.5. Hoping for Denmark 5, San Marino 0.
Leaving for Vegas/Palm Springs tomorrow so that’s a week of no on line betting for me..
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October 18th, 2023 at 2:37:25 AM permalink
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tomorrow's game falls into the road dogs who got 4 points or less category

these dogs went 1-3 last week and are 14-11 for the season

Jaguars + 1.5 over Saints

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October 18th, 2023 at 2:50:43 AM permalink
DK is offering a daily 'no sweat' for most players I think

you have to set up a 3-leg same game parlay to get the no-sweat, i'm learning why these places like those SGPs. And though I like to wind up with a bet no more than +200, with the 3-legs I often wind up higher. It's still gotta be +EV, and it's daily too, can't hate that.

Expect losing streaks, but when they hit on the front end, sweet!
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October 19th, 2023 at 12:04:34 PM permalink
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DK is offering a daily 'no sweat' for most players I think

you have to set up a 3-leg same game parlay to get the no-sweat, i'm learning why these places like those SGPs. And though I like to wind up with a bet no more than +200, with the 3-legs I often wind up higher. It's still gotta be +EV, and it's daily too, can't hate that.

Expect losing streaks, but when they hit on the front end, sweet!
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I’ve been going to +400-600 on these. Hit yesterday but I’m limited to $5 bet. +EV is only a dollar or two.

I’m out of NY now so no betting….. but I loaded up before I left. My biggest exposure is on the Jags ML I have a hunch Lawrence might be more injured than reported and the books know it more than I do!

My big soccer under goals hit. I sometimes also put in ‘sure thing’ bets to make a nickel. I like seeing the winning bet in my log! When Denmark was up 1-0 over San Marino my $5 bet at -10000 was placed. Denmark needed late goal to win 2-1! When I lose one of these I’ll let you all know for the schadenfreude
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October 20th, 2023 at 2:46:25 AM permalink
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my o/u college bets are so far 5-4

here's some more for tomorrow:


Penn St./ Ohio St._________over 45.5

Akron/Bowling Green_________over 35.5

N.Texas/Tulane__________under 63.5

Pitt/Wake Forest________________over 45.5

Northwestern/Nebraska______________________over 40.5

Oklahoma St./West Virginia_________over 49.5_________________glta

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October 21st, 2023 at 1:53:09 AM permalink
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my 2 NFL trackings - no handicapping
the public consensus picks of 65% or greater are now 20-7
the road dogs who got 4 points or less are now 15-11

on 2 of the games one tracking is on one side and the other tracking is on the other

I wanted to post as such anyway - to track them separately - if anybody here was actually betting these picks - and I doubt anybody is - they would have to pass the games or choose one of the trackings


Week 7:



Bills -8.5 over Patriots___________70%

Bucs - 2.5 over Falcons_________________75%

Raiders -2.5 over Bears________67%

Rams - 3 over Steelers______________68%




Falcons +2.5 over Bucs

Lions +3 over Ravens

Steelers +3 over Rams

Dolphins +2.5 over Eagles___________________________glta


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October 21st, 2023 at 3:34:41 AM permalink
Two I like for college today.

PSU +3 1H. OSU has been starting games slow and I think this should be a real battle so I like PSU hangin in for the first half.

Minnesota +3.5. I think Iowa is overrated at this point.
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October 21st, 2023 at 5:05:21 AM permalink
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Two I like for college today.



Minnesota +3.5. I think Iowa is overrated at this point.



Iowa has the 133rd rated offense out of 133 teams. Their defense is respectable. I have watched every Iowa game this year and they lost their starting QB for the year I don't know if that means their offense will be better or worse. They should be able to run the ball on Minnesota. As bad as Iowa is, they are currently favored in their last five games. As a former Hawkeye, they will definitely lose at least one game and it would not shock me if it was this one.
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October 25th, 2023 at 2:07:42 AM permalink
I am getting very little in the way of offers at betMGM, days go by without betting. I used to make a lot of 50 cent bets without an offer attached, hoping to make it less obvious I was cherry-picking the offers. Seemed to work for a long time, but no more.

At DK there is a daily offer, but it's not working too good for me lately. I still think it's slightly +EV but there will be times when I just stay even I think. The problem is the underdogs are doing too well these days [which is killing people in our NFL contest as well I think] . For the DK offers, you have to set up a 3 leg same-game parlay, and I don't like picking an underdog to win the game for one of the legs since that starts you off +100, +200, or whatever and by the time you have added the third leg it goes very much more +xxx and too high for my taste.

I haven't investigated to make sure I'm not imagining things, but I think we can say, yeah, underdogs in the NFL and the NHL are on winning streaks, and bad for me for the only offers I'm getting.

PS: plus I think they work the SGPs to make the house edge higher, since it is a given that SGPs get adjusted. This clearly leads to temptation to work it out even better for them. I didn't know that till recently about SGP odds changes
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October 28th, 2023 at 1:58:48 AM permalink
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not gonna post my personal handicapping picks anymore - I don't believe they have any value

also not gonna post the NFL 65% or better public consensus pick - I don't believe it has any value

I do believe that the NFL road dogs who got 4 points or fewer has value - no handicapping - I've now tracked over 350 games - about 57.6% winners and about 10% r.o.i.

this is my tweaking of Mike's finding in over 2,000 games that all road dogs won 53.75% for an r.o.i. of 2.57% - see link - maybe I already posted this - can't remember

no need to post them - anybody who wants to can easily find them

they're 17-13 in the current season



https://wizardofodds.com/games/sports-betting/nfl/


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October 28th, 2023 at 11:53:41 AM permalink
I missed a week due to Vegas/Palm Springs trip. I am the rare guy who gambles less in Vegas than at home!

Friend who is NOT an AP does take advantage of DK profit boosts on silly parlays. Not silly this week. He hit Bills ML/Allen over 40 yards rushing/Kincaid TD/Evans TD/Cook over 40 yds rushing. $25 paid around $3k.

I hit a bunch on that game as well, as I had Bucs+ points as well. One bad beat was I had Davis as top yardage receiver. (+1900). He was leading until 3rd stringer Shakir got late reception to overtake Davis.

Not sure what happened. I was getting small profit boosts on DK. 25%,33%, rarely 50%. Max bets usually $10. Occasionally $25. I get back from vacation and have a 100% boost on a $100 bet!? Did everyone get this?
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October 28th, 2023 at 12:14:44 PM permalink
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I missed a week due to Vegas/Palm Springs trip. I am the rare guy who gambles less in Vegas than at home!

Friend who is NOT an AP does take advantage of DK profit boosts on silly parlays. Not silly this week. He hit Bills ML/Allen over 40 yards rushing/Kincaid TD/Evans TD/Cook over 40 yds rushing. $25 paid around $3k.

I hit a bunch on that game as well, as I had Bucs+ points as well. One bad beat was I had Davis as top yardage receiver. (+1900). He was leading until 3rd stringer Shakir got late reception to overtake Davis.

Not sure what happened. I was getting small profit boosts on DK. 25%,33%, rarely 50%. Max bets usually $10. Occasionally $25. I get back from vacation and have a 100% boost on a $100 bet!? Did everyone get this?
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to you - the awarding of the bonuses or promos is very appealing and interesting

not to me - the only thing interesting to me is whether or not a bettor can be profitable betting ats or on the money line with no bonuses or promos

it's a great challenge - probably 99% of us aren't betting serious money so being profitable from bonuses does nothing for me

and probably very few of us have the skill to be profitable long term with no bonuses or promos - that's why it's such a great challenge

I'm not knocking your way - each to his own - just sayin'

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October 28th, 2023 at 1:52:55 PM permalink
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I missed a week due to Vegas/Palm Springs trip. I am the rare guy who gambles less in Vegas than at home!

Friend who is NOT an AP does take advantage of DK profit boosts on silly parlays. Not silly this week. He hit Bills ML/Allen over 40 yards rushing/Kincaid TD/Evans TD/Cook over 40 yds rushing. $25 paid around $3k.

I hit a bunch on that game as well, as I had Bucs+ points as well. One bad beat was I had Davis as top yardage receiver. (+1900). He was leading until 3rd stringer Shakir got late reception to overtake Davis.

Not sure what happened. I was getting small profit boosts on DK. 25%,33%, rarely 50%. Max bets usually $10. Occasionally $25. I get back from vacation and have a 100% boost on a $100 bet!? Did everyone get this?
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to you - the awarding of the bonuses or promos is very appealing and interesting

not to me - the only thing interesting to me is whether or not a bettor can be profitable betting ats or on the money line with no bonuses or promos

it's a great challenge - probably 99% of us aren't betting serious money so being profitable from bonuses does nothing for me

and probably very few of us have the skill to be profitable long term with no bonuses or promos - that's why it's such a great challenge

I'm not knocking your way - each to his own - just sayin'

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I KNOW without deposit matches/bonuses/ free bets/profit boosts/etc.. that I would be losing money.

As far as ‘serious money’, that’s a different number for you versus me versus MDawg. If I can make low 5 figures a year pretty easily I’m not gonna stop until they stop me. I don’t do it efficiently, but I’m probably averaging $30 - $50 a day in value. Recently it’s been much higher.

There are others here that are better at this than me, and I’d venture to guess are clearing 6 figures a year.
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October 28th, 2023 at 2:44:41 PM permalink
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I missed a week due to Vegas/Palm Springs trip. I am the rare guy who gambles less in Vegas than at home!

Friend who is NOT an AP does take advantage of DK profit boosts on silly parlays. Not silly this week. He hit Bills ML/Allen over 40 yards rushing/Kincaid TD/Evans TD/Cook over 40 yds rushing. $25 paid around $3k.

I hit a bunch on that game as well, as I had Bucs+ points as well. One bad beat was I had Davis as top yardage receiver. (+1900). He was leading until 3rd stringer Shakir got late reception to overtake Davis.

Not sure what happened. I was getting small profit boosts on DK. 25%,33%, rarely 50%. Max bets usually $10. Occasionally $25. I get back from vacation and have a 100% boost on a $100 bet!? Did everyone get this?
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to you - the awarding of the bonuses or promos is very appealing and interesting

not to me - the only thing interesting to me is whether or not a bettor can be profitable betting ats or on the money line with no bonuses or promos

it's a great challenge - probably 99% of us aren't betting serious money so being profitable from bonuses does nothing for me

and probably very few of us have the skill to be profitable long term with no bonuses or promos - that's why it's such a great challenge

I'm not knocking your way - each to his own - just sayin'

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I KNOW without deposit matches/bonuses/ free bets/profit boosts/etc.. that I would be losing money.

As far as ‘serious money’, that’s a different number for you versus me versus MDawg. If I can make low 5 figures a year pretty easily I’m not gonna stop until they stop me. I don’t do it efficiently, but I’m probably averaging $30 - $50 a day in value. Recently it’s been much higher.

There are others here that are better at this than me, and I’d venture to guess are clearing 6 figures a year.
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hunh________???

you make it sound like just about everybody is making money at DraftKings because of bonuses and many are making serious bucks

that's a little hard to swallow

what does DraftKings get out of all of this______?_________are they in it for entertainment_________?

I not gonna question your figures re yourself - but I don't believe you're presenting an accurate picture of all of this -

just about everybody beating DraftKings___________?______________no e***** way

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October 28th, 2023 at 2:57:24 PM permalink
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hunh________???

you make it sound like just about everybody is making money at DraftKings because of bonuses and many are making serious bucks

that's a little hard to swallow

what does DraftKings get out of all of this______?_________are they in it for entertainment_________?

I not gonna question your figures re yourself - but I don't believe you're presenting an accurate picture of all of this -

just about everybody beating DraftKings___________?______________no e***** way



I don't get the impression at all that Soopoo thinks everyone is a winner. Like all gambling most people lose. The casinos know that if they give someone $20 of freeplay that most people will lose it and lose much more. Some people just go in and only play the freeplay and beat the system.
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October 28th, 2023 at 3:05:41 PM permalink
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hunh________???

you make it sound like just about everybody is making money at DraftKings because of bonuses and many are making serious bucks

that's a little hard to swallow

what does DraftKings get out of all of this______?_________are they in it for entertainment_________?

I not gonna question your figures re yourself - but I don't believe you're presenting an accurate picture of all of this -

just about everybody beating DraftKings___________?______________no e***** way



I don't get the impression at all that Soopoo thinks everyone is a winner. Like all gambling most people lose. The casinos know that if they give someone $20 of freeplay that most people will lose it and lose much more. Some people just go in and only play the freeplay and beat the system.
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everything he posts is winning winning winning

he never posts about anybody losing

some people only play the freeplay - not many - the vast majority are losers

he never posts about them__________ridiculous

and he posted this:

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There are others here that are better at this than me, and I’d venture to guess are clearing 6 figures a year.


sounds like he works for DraftKings - gets a commission for posting this nonsense - 6 figures from bonuses - get outta here

"others" - sure - how many "others" - one one hundredth of one percent - maybe - still sounds optimistic

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October 28th, 2023 at 3:30:21 PM permalink
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everything he posts is winning winning winning

he never posts about anybody losing



Why would he post about others if they are not working with him? From everything he writes it all seems very believable and I would think anybody with his discipline could do it. If I lived in a state where I could use Draftkings I would probably be doing exactly what he is and I would expect similar results.

There are many systems that are easy to beat at the small level if you are disciplined. I used to drive for three hours to cash out freeplay and I didn't play a single dollar more than my freeplay. I would drive 90 minutes, park the car, be in the casino for about 20 minutes, get in the car and drive 90 minutes home. I probably did that at least 50 times and not a single time did I go home without a profit. One time it was only $5 but my average take was closer to $300 per trip.
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October 28th, 2023 at 3:42:48 PM permalink
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everything he posts is winning winning winning

he never posts about anybody losing



Why would he post about others if they are not working with him? From everything he writes it all seems very believable and I would think anybody with his discipline could do it. If I lived in a state where I could use Draftkings I would probably be doing exactly what he is and I would expect similar results.

There are many systems that are easy to beat at the small level if you are disciplined. I used to drive for three hours to cash out freeplay and I didn't play a single dollar more than my freeplay. I would drive 90 minutes, park the car, be in the casino for about 20 minutes, get in the car and drive 90 minutes home. I probably did that at least 50 times and not a single time did I go home without a profit. One time it was only $5 but my average take was closer to $300 per trip.
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as I said - his postings about himself I don't question

but he has posted about "others" that he has "ventured to guess" are winning 6 figures

there are stories out there about DraftKings refusing or drastically limiting the action of consistent winners

he is not presenting an accurate picture of sports betting at DraftKings

here is a link from the Better Business Bureau indicating various complaints about DraftKings

there are 134 pages of complaints - let's get real - DraftKings sucks



https://www.bbb.org/us/ma/boston/profile/online-gaming/draftkings-inc-0021-134635/complaints

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October 28th, 2023 at 6:25:28 PM permalink
Lilred….. of course most people lose at online sports betting! Just like most people lose on Ultimate X video poker. Just like most people lose at blackjack. Just not the APs who have it figured out.

I’m just posting that for those that know how to properly take advantage of the offers it’s not hard to make a consistent (in my case small) income.

I just mentioned the $100 100% profit boost. I was able to bet that on DK and found a pretty good line on the other side at BetRivers. It was a guaranteed $65 win. No risk at all.

Likely most betters will also make the usual negative EV bets that are how the books make their money. But not me or the others that have figured it out. I do NOT maximize the EV. As I just mentioned, I’ll (foolishly?) hedge occasionally.

I’m sorry you can’t understand this. I’ve really tried to explain it as simply as possible.
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October 29th, 2023 at 3:47:54 AM permalink
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of course most people lose at online sports betting! Just like most people lose at blackjack. Just not the APs who have it figured out.


are you joking
comparing what you are doing to counting cards at blackjack
you make it look so easy - and maybe it is at the low level

but I dunno - it just seem TOO easy - like there's some part of the story that is missing -

becoming an AP at blackjack is difficult to say the least - what you're doing is not even remotely closely in difficulty compared to what a blackjack AP does

and you failed to address this ridiculous remark:

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There are others 𝙃𝙀𝙍𝙀 that are better at this than me, and I’d venture to guess are clearing 6 figures a year.



"𝙃𝙀𝙍𝙀" you say - right 𝙃𝙀𝙍𝙀 at WOV_____6 figures - hunh - maybe 3 or 4 hundred thousand a year____________?_____________go ahead and double down on that remark

and you fail to address all of the thousands and thousands of complaints against DraftKings who you are pumping up as the greatest thing since sliced bread

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October 29th, 2023 at 4:49:27 AM permalink
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There are others 𝙃𝙀𝙍𝙀 that are better at this than me, and I’d venture to guess are clearing 6 figures a year.



"𝙃𝙀𝙍𝙀" you say - right 𝙃𝙀𝙍𝙀 at WOV_____6 figures - hunh - maybe 3 or 4 hundred thousand a year____________?_____________go ahead and double down on that remark

and you fail to address all of the thousands and thousands of complaints against DraftKings who you are pumping up as the greatest thing since sliced bread



I believe six figures implies at least $100k. I would not be surprised at all if there are people here making $100k by beating bonuses. It is not hard at all, just requires discipline and a starting bankroll.
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October 29th, 2023 at 5:23:47 AM permalink
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Quote: SOOPOO

of course most people lose at online sports betting! Just like most people lose at blackjack. Just not the APs who have it figured out.


are you joking
comparing what you are doing to counting cards at blackjack
you make it look so easy - and maybe it is at the low level

but I dunno - it just seem TOO easy - like there's some part of the story that is missing -

becoming an AP at blackjack is difficult to say the least - what you're doing is not even remotely closely in difficulty compared to what a blackjack AP does

and you failed to address this ridiculous remark:

Quote: SOOPOO

There are others 𝙃𝙀𝙍𝙀 that are better at this than me, and I’d venture to guess are clearing 6 figures a year.



"𝙃𝙀𝙍𝙀" you say - right 𝙃𝙀𝙍𝙀 at WOV_____6 figures - hunh - maybe 3 or 4 hundred thousand a year____________?_____________go ahead and double down on that remark

and you fail to address all of the thousands and thousands of complaints against DraftKings who you are pumping up as the greatest thing since sliced bread

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I believe Mental has mentioned large wins using bonus type play.

I’ll give you my experience with DraftKings. My initial sign on bonus was great. One of those $5k risk free bets. Of course it was only ‘risk free’ because I knew how to make it risk free! If memory serves me correct I turned it into around $3k using hedges on other sites. I shortly was offered VIP status. The profit boosts were great, some at $250 a bet. Then there were the ‘missions’ which gave me free bets, profit boosts, etc…. To use a silly phrase here on WoV, ‘I paid my bills’ using my DK winnings. Then, after a constant and consistent winning pattern, I was no longer a VIP. The host I had no longer answered my texts. And I have not had a ‘mission’ in around a year.
So instead of making 6 figures a year it will be low 5 figures with what offers I still get. To me, this is NOT a complainable event with DK. They REASONABLY realized that it was not wise to keep offering ME all these bonuses.

As far as DK overall, I’ve never had a problem withdrawing money. And the few customer service issues/glitches have been ALL resolved to my satisfaction.

As of right now my 5 books in order of value to me are
BetRivers
DraftKings
Caesars
BetMGM
FanDual
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October 29th, 2023 at 8:30:17 AM permalink
Hopefully this year they will allow sports betting again in Florida. I would be very happy having a low five figure side job. This working and travelling for a living stinks.
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October 29th, 2023 at 8:58:33 AM permalink
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Hopefully this year they will allow sports betting again in Florida. I would be very happy having a low five figure side job. This working and travelling for a living stinks.
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Many, many travel destinations allow better betting than our home states.
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October 29th, 2023 at 9:02:52 AM permalink
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October 29th, 2023 at 9:04:53 AM permalink
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I have known SOOPOO for years both on and off the forum, I have even met both of his new and ex-wives, and both are really cool.

SOOPOO is an upfront guy from everything I know, and I have never seen any over-exaggerations from him, everything rings true and lines up.

I have semi-kept up with his bonus boost betting I haven't seen anything out of line, admittedly, I don't pay attention to exactly all the boosts he is getting or bets he is making. I do remember him saying he got cut down. I did tell him he should be/could be doing XYZ, but he didn't seem interested.

You are one of the more level-headed logical guys on the forum as well so I'm not certain what aspect you take issue with. Can you elaborate?

I have no doubt DraftKings is a crap company, but I'm sure they have bigger fish to fry and screw over.

IIRC a few years back BetMGM got an F from the BBB so I dont know what to think about the BBB their grades are sketchy at best, even when it comes to good grades.
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October 29th, 2023 at 9:38:01 AM permalink
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I've already stated what I felt - don't really care to elaborate much
I don't question his statements about his personal winnings
I too believe he is honest

I just believe his posts were making it all look TOO easy and that in that sense they were misleading

I only bet horses now - just to pass the time - I just look for angles in sports betting - a kind of hobby - I don't actually bet sports so maybe I shouldn't have rushed to judge

I guess I'm probably wrong - I guess it really is that easy- it's just very surprising to me that a bettor could go way, way ahead while admitting that without bonuses he would be losing

now, I realize that this can happen because of the ferocious competition between the online books to snag customers

it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong

anyway, if my posts were too rough - and probably they were - I apologize for that - my bad

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October 29th, 2023 at 9:49:56 AM permalink
I've no doubt a dedicated bettor could squeeze out $10-15,000 a year but it would have to be a labor of love. I can't see anyone pulling $100,000 plus unless they are leading a team and putting in a lot of hours.
When sports betting came to Arizona, the offers were everywhere but most were complicated and dried up after a few months.
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October 29th, 2023 at 7:03:06 PM permalink
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I've no doubt a dedicated bettor could squeeze out $10-15,000 a year but it would have to be a labor of love. I can't see anyone pulling $100,000 plus unless they are leading a team and putting in a lot of hours.
When sports betting came to Arizona, the offers were everywhere but most were complicated and dried up after a few months.
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Labor of love? How about around 1/2 hour a day of looking at the offers and placing your bets? I’ve stopped at 5 books but might add BetWynn to add a little more EV. I ‘think’ $10-15k a year is on the low side with access to 6+ books, but agree that $100k a year without a team might be difficult.

I guess I wouldn’t do it if I didn’t enjoy it.

Are you saying in Arizona you don’t still get (periodic) deposit bonuses, profit boosts, parlay insurance, no sweat bets, free bets, hometown bonuses, etc? As I’ve said, I’ve been throttled back on how much I can bet, but the offers are still there! I mean, just on DK, I click on a button every Wednesday and get a ‘bonus chest’ of what has been between $4 and $8. So around $300 for PUSHING A BUTTON. Between the 5 I think I got $100 FOR HAVING A BIRTHDAY.
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October 29th, 2023 at 7:12:43 PM permalink
The last bet I made was for the Yankees to win the WS in August. Sports betting doesn't interest me anymore.
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October 30th, 2023 at 9:00:33 AM permalink
A team really isn't needed if you bet mostly online. Using a friends accounts would be valuable.
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November 1st, 2023 at 8:59:19 AM permalink
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of course most people lose at online sports betting! Just like most people lose at blackjack. Just not the APs who have it figured out.


are you joking
comparing what you are doing to counting cards at blackjack
you make it look so easy - and maybe it is at the low level

but I dunno - it just seem TOO easy - like there's some part of the story that is missing -

becoming an AP at blackjack is difficult to say the least - what you're doing is not even remotely closely in difficulty compared to what a blackjack AP does

and you failed to address this ridiculous remark:

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There are others 𝙃𝙀𝙍𝙀 that are better at this than me, and I’d venture to guess are clearing 6 figures a year.



"𝙃𝙀𝙍𝙀" you say - right 𝙃𝙀𝙍𝙀 at WOV_____6 figures - hunh - maybe 3 or 4 hundred thousand a year____________?_____________go ahead and double down on that remark

and you fail to address all of the thousands and thousands of complaints against DraftKings who you are pumping up as the greatest thing since sliced bread

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I believe Mental has mentioned large wins using bonus type play.

I’ll give you my experience with DraftKings. My initial sign on bonus was great. One of those $5k risk free bets. Of course it was only ‘risk free’ because I knew how to make it risk free! If memory serves me correct I turned it into around $3k using hedges on other sites. I shortly was offered VIP status. The profit boosts were great, some at $250 a bet. Then there were the ‘missions’ which gave me free bets, profit boosts, etc…. To use a silly phrase here on WoV, ‘I paid my bills’ using my DK winnings. Then, after a constant and consistent winning pattern, I was no longer a VIP. The host I had no longer answered my texts. And I have not had a ‘mission’ in around a year.
So instead of making 6 figures a year it will be low 5 figures with what offers I still get. To me, this is NOT a complainable event with DK. They REASONABLY realized that it was not wise to keep offering ME all these bonuses.

As far as DK overall, I’ve never had a problem withdrawing money. And the few customer service issues/glitches have been ALL resolved to my satisfaction.

As of right now my 5 books in order of value to me are
BetRivers
DraftKings
Caesars
BetMGM
FanDual
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This thread is about sports AP betting, and I am not a serious sports bettor. I cannot ever remember making a sports bet that did not have a promo attached. I think sports betting and card counting are far from the easiest ways to make money gambling. I don't have an informed opinion about how much a dedicated player could make annually hustling sports bonuses using a single account. I would be surprised if a casual sports bonus hustler could make more than a few grand. I just don't think it is worth my time.

I am a bit anal about record keeping. But, I don't even keep records of my sports bonuses because they do not have a known value and they are a microscopic part of my bonus stream. A 20% profit boost or a $100 free bet don't have a fixed value. Even assuming that the line is perfectly balanced around fair value, the value of the promo depends on the odds of the bet and the specific vig for that bet.

One book was giving me 20% in free bets for making $1000 worth of bets. They seem to have stopped this promo. It was worth well under $100 once a week.

I have booked $539K of non-sports bonuses this year. I have also received over $55K of merchandise and tickets. I will not divulge the amount that I lost in game play to earn these bonuses. Suffice it to say, the playing losses were much less than the value of the bonuses. Last year, I earned fewer bonuses than I did this year, but I actually made money on my game play. This year is a bit of a disappointment in comparison. The easy money is in slots. There is some decent money to be made in table games.

Only a few people on this forum have any clue as to how much bonus money casinos will give a player if you can convince them that you are a potentially valuable customer. The only way to find out is do the experiment. I have not done the experiment with sports books. I have never given them any action except the piddling bets that were +EV due to a bonus. Like SOOPOO, my DK missions went AWOL a year ago. I don't think I ever had a sports bet with $100 in +EV due to bonuses. For slots and table games, I have received loads of bonus offers worth $500 each and some up to $2000 for a single promo.

Finally, you cannot get blood from a stone. If the book you are using is tight with their promo budget and caps their promo bets at tiny levels, then you are never going to make any real money there. If they are known to be generous, but they cut you off from promos, at least you have options.
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November 1st, 2023 at 1:37:32 PM permalink
I haven’t withdrawn in a while, so today put in 4 withdrawals. DK and FD were basically instantaneous. Waiting on 3-5 business days for Caesars and BetRivers. Didn’t want to lower my MGM balance so no try.

Mental’s point of ‘only $100 a week so not worth it’ concept is valid. If I was still working and time was more valuable to me I wouldn’t be doing some of this. These $5 risk free bets which I am getting lots of are probably only worth $2 a pop. I can easily understand why most people just don’t want to be bothered.

My DK ‘prize chest’ this week was worth between $7 and $8. Anytime someone wants to just GIVE me $7 for pushing a button I think I’ll push the button.

That $7 was ONE Diet Pepsi for wifey at Paris pool.
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November 1st, 2023 at 2:21:44 PM permalink
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I haven’t withdrawn in a while, so today put in 4 withdrawals. DK and FD were basically instantaneous. Waiting on 3-5 business days for Caesars and BetRivers. Didn’t want to lower my MGM balance so no try.

Mental’s point of ‘only $100 a week so not worth it’ concept is valid. If I was still working and time was more valuable to me I wouldn’t be doing some of this. These $5 risk free bets which I am getting lots of are probably only worth $2 a pop. I can easily understand why most people just don’t want to be bothered.

My DK ‘prize chest’ this week was worth between $7 and $8. Anytime someone wants to just GIVE me $7 for pushing a button I think I’ll push the button.

That $7 was ONE Diet Pepsi for wifey at Paris pool.
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I sometimes get very fast withdrawals to PayPal. It always takes about 3 days for eCheck and the money never hits my bank on weekend days.

My DK ‘prize chest’ this week was worth $25. It takes one click. I will play daily login promos that are worth about $7 EV on slot promos and take less time to play that to load the game. I also play micro loss rebates that usually take one wager per play. No shame in picking up small amounts of EV.

My point was also that I don't know what I don't know. Maybe there is a way of shaking a lot of money out of the sportsbook tree and I am just not seeing it. I hope others have found a formula that works. I am just too focused on slots to have the bandwidth for picking up dollars off the ground at sportsbooks. I have no idea how to make real money at sports.
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November 1st, 2023 at 5:17:25 PM permalink
I'm a piker, so I don't know how you get treated when you bet big. I didn't get a 100% boost for $100 bet, for example

I can say that for a piker, DK in VA is a place where it seems you can keep it +EV but nothing exciting for right now. Early on it was pretty sweet, tons of 'no sweat' bets, but that is scaled back ... on the other hand, not gone either.

As for Soopoo statements, the only one that flabbergasted me is the one where he said he is winning some pretty nice cash and they aren't reporting that to the IRS. They're not? Why would they hold back? It's the agreement they have with the state and it's in the T&C with a low threshold.

That reporting business is the reason I'm just a piker even though it's +EV very strongly at times. Man, I really thought they would be good for their word on that snitching to the IRS ... just don't trust it won't happen
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November 1st, 2023 at 5:37:21 PM permalink
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I'm a piker, so I don't know how you get treated when you bet big. I didn't get a 100% boost for $100 bet, for example

I can say that for a piker, DK in VA is a place where it seems you can keep it +EV but nothing exciting for right now. Early on it was pretty sweet, tons of 'no sweat' bets, but that is scaled back ... on the other hand, not gone either.

As for Soopoo statements, the only one that flabbergasted me is the one where he said he is winning some pretty nice cash and they aren't reporting that to the IRS. They're not? Why would they hold back? It's the agreement they have with the state and it's in the T&C with a low threshold.

That reporting business is the reason I'm just a piker even though it's +EV very strongly at times. Man, I really thought they would be good for their word on that snitching to the IRS ... just don't trust it won't happen
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I don’t recall me ever saying they don’t report anything to the IRS. I am pretty sure if you hit a big parlay (better than 300-1) you will have a form generated. What I understand it to be is that ‘regular’ wins or losses are not reported to the IRS. I certainly could be wrong. Just like land based casino gambling, it is the gambler’s responsibility to report his gambling winnings to the IRS.
I’m happy to pay taxes on easy winnings. Heck, people pay taxes on hard earn money!

Show me a T and C that says an online book will be reporting winnings to the IRS, not just W2-G type events? I ‘think’ you won’t find such.
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November 2nd, 2023 at 3:47:13 AM permalink
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I don’t recall me ever saying they don’t report anything to the IRS.

I might search upthread , or not
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I am pretty sure if you hit a big parlay (better than 300-1) you will have a form generated. What I understand it to be is that ‘regular’ wins or losses are not reported to the IRS. I certainly could be wrong. Just like land based casino gambling, it is the gambler’s responsibility to report his gambling winnings to the IRS.
I’m happy to pay taxes on easy winnings. Heck, people pay taxes on hard earn money!

Show me a T and C that says an online book will be reporting winnings to the IRS, not just W2-G type events? I ‘think’ you won’t find such.
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well here is what is in the T&C for BetMGM in Virginia

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10.5 Your acceptance of these Agreements serves as acknowledgement that the Form 1099-Misc may be issued by Us by January 31 following the year of the receipt of a prize consisting of cash or merchandise for which a 12 month accumulated value of six hundred US dollars ($600) or more won by using the Services are subject to the IRS regulations.

Emphasis mine, other T&C have it

"12 month accumulated value" seems to me to mean netting a mere $50 per month overall on average, and is the opposite of "just reporting any big wins". I don't believe MGM wants to have to deal with that, and had to agree to it to make VA happy. Is this an "only Virginia" thing?
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November 2nd, 2023 at 4:02:15 AM permalink
OK so here it is below. I took it to mean that for sure you accumulated $600+ but saw no reporting to the IRS in any form and that your belief is only big wins would be reported. If that last part is not actually the case, I assumed that you would find out the hard way.... and it didn't happen. So maybe NY doesn't require the same kind of tax forms to be generated that VA does. It puzzles me.

PS as far as 'just reducing amount won' by paying taxes, sure, but this often means going from winning money to losing money in marginal cases. Plus the matter of BetMGM and other sgetting it right, which is very much in doubt with me.

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I've got some questions for you, Soopoo, and I'm honestly just curious

you posted I believe, 5 figures total to the positive with your online sports betting, congratulations!

how many W2g's did you get?

I assume though your experience overall, after taxes, was still +EV. How close a call is it?

do you attribute your success to playing off one online site against another?
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No W2 G’s. None of my bets are that large (after the initial ‘risk free’ bets). And none are at that extreme odds.

As far as taxes, all they do is reduce how much I make. I’ll give a hypothetical. If I made $30k and have to pay 20% in taxes on that it just means I cleared $24k. If I made $15k I would have cleared $12k.

Answering the previous post…. I think I am being throttled back. I’m certainly getting either fewer or smaller +EV opportunities.

As far as ‘playing one side against the other’, I do do that sometimes. But understand, real APs like Axel and Wiz, would frown upon that! I’ll give a simple example. I had an opportunity to pick ‘team to score first in the super bowl’ boosted to +150. So my $10 bet will pay out a total of $25. The +EV was $5.
But I could bet on another site at the prevailing rate (which for even bets is -110) on the other team. So I could bet $13 to win $12 (rounded) for a payout of $25. So if you notice I win $2 NO MATTER WHAT. But Wiz and Axel will chastise me for turning $5 in EV into $2. I do believe that it is important that I make the negative EV hedge bets for longevity. The site I make the -EV bet just sees it as a typical loser bet.
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November 2nd, 2023 at 6:15:27 AM permalink
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10.5 Your acceptance of these Agreements serves as acknowledgement that the Form 1099-Misc may be issued by Us by January 31 following the year of the receipt of a prize consisting of cash or merchandise for which a 12 month accumulated value of six hundred US dollars ($600) or more won by using the Services are subject to the IRS regulations.

Emphasis mine, other T&C have it.
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The phrase "receipt of a prize consisting of cash or merchandise" refers to sweepstakes/tournament/contest prizes for which you paid no money. Winnings from bets do not qualify. This has always been a reporting requirement for contest prizes. Whenever a 1099 has been issued in my name, the B&M casino has always sent me a copy after year end. I have yet to receive one from an online casino. They do not seem to feel that free slot play won in leaderboard contests merits a 1099. I have won/earned up to $12,000 in FSP from a single online leaderboard with no 1099. I have received over $20K of cumulative FSP from a B&M casino in one year and never got a 1099. However, $1000 in slot tournament wins will require a signature and generate a 1099. I even had a 1099 from cumulative tournament wins over $600.
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November 2nd, 2023 at 6:24:29 AM permalink
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I don’t recall me ever saying they don’t report anything to the IRS.

I might search upthread , or not
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I am pretty sure if you hit a big parlay (better than 300-1) you will have a form generated. What I understand it to be is that ‘regular’ wins or losses are not reported to the IRS. I certainly could be wrong. Just like land based casino gambling, it is the gambler’s responsibility to report his gambling winnings to the IRS.
I’m happy to pay taxes on easy winnings. Heck, people pay taxes on hard earn money!

Show me a T and C that says an online book will be reporting winnings to the IRS, not just W2-G type events? I ‘think’ you won’t find such.
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well here is what is in the T&C for BetMGM in Virginia

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10.5 Your acceptance of these Agreements serves as acknowledgement that the Form 1099-Misc may be issued by Us by January 31 following the year of the receipt of a prize consisting of cash or merchandise for which a 12 month accumulated value of six hundred US dollars ($600) or more won by using the Services are subject to the IRS regulations.

Emphasis mine, other T&C have it

"12 month accumulated value" seems to me to mean netting a mere $50 per month overall on average, and is the opposite of "just reporting any big wins". I don't believe MGM wants to have to deal with that, and had to agree to it to make VA happy. Is this an "only Virginia" thing?
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Thanks. Interesting they use the word ‘may’! I remember 10-15 years ago I did some ‘focus group’ that paid $590. I wonder why they chose that amount?

Last night got 2-1!!! on James, Davis, and Curry all to get 20. J and D easily hit mark quite early, (was watching that game) and just clicked to see boxscore of Warriors to celebrate easy win…. Less than 3 minutes to go Curry only had 19….. He made another basket….!!
Greed kills…. Had Sabres/Thompson goal/but over 8.5 (normal was 6.5) Sabres won 5-2 with GREAT goal by Thompson….

So I make a bunch of $1 bets on ‘sure things’ sometimes to win a penny or two. Of course these are -EV bets but I like seeing the ‘win symbol’ that each site has! Yesterday Bayern Munich was up 1-0 over Saarbrucken, almost a beer league team in the ‘Germany Cup’. My dollar was going to win 2 cents…. Except Saarbrucken scored TWO to win! I’ll never see that dollar again……
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November 2nd, 2023 at 7:48:26 AM permalink
Wifey knows I’m doing these bets…. She is watching Good Morning Football…. Calls me (I’m making her breakfast) and asks if I have any bets on Dolphins/Chiefs. I say not yet. She says I should bet on Dolphins! Chiefs arriving late to Germany. Dolphins have been there a while. I generally need a parlay, and she won’t commit to over/under points. I list her prop bets and we have Mahomes over 24.5 yards rushing with Dolphins moneyline. +525 with profit boost. Fun morning of football coming up!
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November 2nd, 2023 at 7:59:52 AM permalink
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10.5 Your acceptance of these Agreements serves as acknowledgement that the Form 1099-Misc may be issued by Us by January 31 following the year of the receipt of a prize consisting of cash or merchandise for which a 12 month accumulated value of six hundred US dollars ($600) or more won by using the Services are subject to the IRS regulations.

Emphasis mine, other T&C have it.
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The phrase "receipt of a prize consisting of cash or merchandise" refers to sweepstakes/tournament/contest prizes for which you paid no money. Winnings from bets do not qualify. This has always been a reporting requirement for contest prizes. Whenever a 1099 has been issued in my name, the B&M casino has always sent me a copy after year end. I have yet to receive one from an online casino. They do not seem to feel that free slot play won in leaderboard contests merits a 1099. I have won/earned up to $12,000 in FSP from a single online leaderboard with no 1099. I have received over $20K of cumulative FSP from a B&M casino in one year and never got a 1099. However, $1000 in slot tournament wins will require a signature and generate a 1099. I even had a 1099 from cumulative tournament wins over $600.
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thanks

wow

I have been worried over something that is not going to happen? Maybe I shouldn't be such a piker anymore, for one thing it doesn't get you off their radar like you might hope [as far as spotting you as someone not to give offers]
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November 3rd, 2023 at 8:32:16 AM permalink
My long shot bet tonight…
Steph Curry gets a double double 17% of the time. The Warriors are around 2-1 favorites tonight. I don’t have the stats but I’m sure Curry DD/ Warriors win is highly correlated

I have Curry DD/Warriors win boosted on Caesar’s at 20-1.
$25 down the tubes or $500 in my pocket!

Both other books had money in my account this morning. I’ll never need anything faster than next day so depositing/withdrawing is a non issue for me.

Edit. So checked on other sites. DK has +1100 on Curry to get a DD. I then went to their SGP. Curry DD parlayed with Warriors win…. +700!!!! I did some research (after I made the bet!) and see Curry’s minutes, rebounds, and assists are all down this year. He hasn’t made 8 rebounds or 8 assists yet this year.
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November 4th, 2023 at 8:29:03 AM permalink
Curry had 5 assists 4 rebounds at half so was certainly in it. But didn’t make 8 on either. But I hit my longest odds parlay so far on that game. Holmgren 1st basket, Thunder +5, over 229. Was +4500 but limited to $10 on FD. Still…. $450 was a nice hit. Missed out on 25-1 bet on both Jokic and Doncic to get triple doubles. Doncic missed by two assists and in the last few minutes made multiple great passes to players missing wide open shots. Jokic missed by one assist. I guess that’s why it’s 25-1…..

I have Man City -1.5 in some parlays. And their opponent +2.5 in others. Fine line I’m walking here!
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November 5th, 2023 at 7:59:59 AM permalink
Seems like ALL of the books are competing for business again. Boatloads of boosts. 50% seems to be common again.

Had an anomaly yesterday and of course I under-used it. Team was around -160 favorite. Had a 50% boost to use on a SGP. But on the SGP the odds were only -105. Kept checking multiple SGPs. Eventually got one and used the boost for the $25 max. Checked more and …. the odds were changed to -150 from the -105. I should have just bet A LOT on random two leg parlays using the -105……. Oh well….
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November 6th, 2023 at 6:31:41 AM permalink
Talked with a local sports guy who works ethe radio station. He had won $250 on Texas to win the world series.He said his profit was $115 meaning the juice he paid was $135. Have not placed a sports wager in forever,but does seem kind of high?
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November 6th, 2023 at 6:36:37 AM permalink
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Talked with a local sports guy who works ethe radio station. He had won $250 on Texas to win the world series.He said his profit was $115 meaning the juice he paid was $135. Have not placed a sports wager in forever,but does seem kind of high?
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The books have an idiotic way to say things. If I bet $100, at even money, when the bet is paid off it will say ‘won $200 on FanDuel!’ You and I know I really only won $100. So it is possible the guy bet $135 as a slight favorite, in actuality won $115, but the site says ‘won $250’.
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November 6th, 2023 at 6:47:09 AM permalink
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The books have an idiotic way to say things. If I bet $100, at even money, when the bet is paid off it will say ‘won $200 on FanDuel!’ You and I know I really only won $100. So it is possible the guy bet $135 as a slight favorite, in actuality won $115, but the site says ‘won $250’.


I don't believe it's idiotic
I believe it's a deliberate misrepresentation for the purpose of fooling inexperienced bettors
it's 100% clear to me that this is blatant false advertising
even though it might seem obvious to us what is happening it may not be obvious to some newbies
the books are sharks doing everything possible to crush players
there are going to be lots, tens of thousands, who become compulsive, addicted gamblers because of the widespread legalization of online betting
for the very few who are sharp it's a good thing
but not for the vast majority
the gutless movers and shakers were unwilling to take a stand against it because it would cause their popularity to decline
this is reality
on this site, I believe the vast majority are somewhat intelligent and gamble responsibly and use the site wisely to help them
but that does not reflect the wider reality of so many bettors who really don't have a clue what's going on

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November 6th, 2023 at 10:01:21 AM permalink
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The books have an idiotic way to say things. If I bet $100, at even money, when the bet is paid off it will say ‘won $200 on FanDuel!’ You and I know I really only won $100. So it is possible the guy bet $135 as a slight favorite, in actuality won $115, but the site says ‘won $250’.


I don't believe it's idiotic
I believe it's a deliberate misrepresentation for the purpose of fooling inexperienced bettors
it's 100% clear to me that this is blatant false advertising
even though it might seem obvious to us what is happening it may not be obvious to some newbies
the books are sharks doing everything possible to crush players
there are going to be lots, tens of thousands, who become compulsive, addicted gamblers because of the widespread legalization of online betting
for the very few who are sharp it's a good thing
but not for the vast majority
the gutless movers and shakers were unwilling to take a stand against it because it would cause their popularity to decline
this is reality
on this site, I believe the vast majority are somewhat intelligent and gamble responsibly and use the site wisely to help them
but that does not reflect the wider reality of so many bettors who really don't have a clue what's going on

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Basically agree. But it is irrelevant to me as I am not fooled in the least. I make a bunch of (silly) $1 bets were I win a few cents. I am not fooled into thinking I’ve won $1.03 by their phraseology.

We’ve discussed before…. but the biggest scam is the use of the phrase ‘risk free bet’. When it is not ‘risk free’!
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