2020 Kentucky Derby And Triple Crown

Threads: 122
Posts: 10992

Joined: Aug 8, 2010

March 31st, 2020 at 6:00:32 PM permalink

That's a mistake. The three tracks should get together and figure out a way to do Derby first, Preakness two weeks after that, and of course Belmont 3 weeks after that. None of these races stand as tall on their own compared to the "Triple Crown".

onenickelmiracle

Threads: 212
Posts: 8277

Joined: Jan 26, 2012

March 31st, 2020 at 6:59:01 PM permalink

Quote: SOOPOO
That's a mistake. The three tracks should get together and figure out a way to do Derby first, Preakness two weeks after that, and of course Belmont 3 weeks after that. None of these races stand as tall on their own compared to the "Triple Crown".

It's not even going to be a true test. The top jockeys aren't all racing and it's not true competition without the crowds, so the horses don't really have to prove themselves. That's funny, because at small tracks and known tracks, the entire audience isn't there in person(either indoors or watching on a screen). It's totally different for the big races, there are a lot of distractions with all the people though, and the horses really have to overcome it. You might even have horses which would have excelled under pressure which cant when there isn't any. I'm actually disappointed to even hear there are races going on, it's not fair to all the people holding out, it just pushes the time needed longer where we're flattening the curve and they're making theirs bigger.

I am a robot.

lilredrooster

Threads: 232
Posts: 6553

Joined: May 8, 2015

April 1st, 2020 at 9:08:38 AM permalink

Quote: onenickelmiracle
and it's not true competition without the crowds,

that's not correct

jocks (and trainers) get about 10% of the owner's share of the purse which is sometimes very large

if the purse is $400K the winning connections get about 60% of it which is $240K
the jock will get about $24K for the one race

if the jock's horse finishes worse than 4th he gets little or nothing unless he's a superstar jock and can demand something from the owner

there are some small variations of this from track to track

this is Florida's system of purse distribution:

"For example, if a race had twelve starters, 60% of the purse went to the winner, 18% to second, 10% to third, 4% to fourth and 1% each to fifth through twelfth; with only six starters the winner received the same 60%, but 20% went to second, 13% to third, 5% to fourth and 1% each to fifth and sixth.

This system is still in use at all of the state's thoroughbred tracks today, although a slight modification in the actual percentages (resulting in the second-place share being increased at the expense of the third and/or fourth) was made in 2005."

Last edited by: lilredrooster on Apr 1, 2020

Please don't feed the trolls

onenickelmiracle

Threads: 212
Posts: 8277

Joined: Jan 26, 2012

April 1st, 2020 at 9:43:25 AM permalink

Quote: lilredrooster
that's not correct

jocks (and trainers) get about 10% of the owner's share of the purse which is sometimes very large

if the purse is $400K the winning connections get about 60% of it which is $240K
the jock will get about $24K for the one race

if the jock's horse finishes worse than 4th he gets little or nothing unless he's a superstar jock and can demand something from the owner

there are some small variations of this from track to track

this is Florida's system of purse distribution:

"For example, if a race had twelve starters, 60% of the purse went to the winner, 18% to second, 10% to third, 4% to fourth and 1% each to fifth through twelfth; with only six starters the winner received the same 60%, but 20% went to second, 13% to third, 5% to fourth and 1% each to fifth and sixth.

This system is still in use at all of the state's thoroughbred tracks today, although a slight modification in the actual percentages (resulting in the second-place share being increased at the expense of the third and/or fourth) was made in 2005."

Purses have nothing to do with it, I'm talking about what the derby races are about, improving the stock of the horses bred. It's likely to have inferior horses appear as the creme de le creme and the real standouts suffer. The only real purpose of these races is to find the next generation of horses to breed, so they can go through these trials. You just misunderstood me.

I am a robot.

lilredrooster

Threads: 232
Posts: 6553

Joined: May 8, 2015

April 1st, 2020 at 10:18:15 AM permalink

Quote: onenickelmiracle
Purses have nothing to do with it, I'm talking about what the derby races are about, improving the stock of the horses bred.

the triple crown series is about a lot of different things, not just breeding for future superstars

purses are not everything but they surely have something to do with it

the Derby purse was just boosted to $3 million - the jock, possibly of a lesser stature with a relatively smallish income, can earn about $180K in one race - as well as a place in sports history - not bad for 2 minutes of work

Please don't feed the trolls

bobbartop

bobbartop

Threads: 133
Posts: 2594

Joined: Mar 15, 2016

April 1st, 2020 at 10:51:05 AM permalink

Quote: Keeneone

The 146th Kentucky Derby will be rescheduled from May 2, 2020 to September 5, 2020

So essentially, they will be 4-year olds.

'Emergencies' have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded.

Keeneone

Threads: 21
Posts: 1422

Joined: Aug 16, 2014

April 1st, 2020 at 11:01:25 AM permalink

These are the USA preps left to run:
Arkansas Derby Oaklawn Park May 2, 2020
100-40-2-10

Wood Memorial Aqueduct TBD
100-40-20-10
Blue Grass Keeneland TBD
100-40-20-10
Santa Anita Derby Santa Anita Park TBD
100-40-20-10
Lexington Keeneland TBD
20-8-4-2

It would be nice to see these rescheduled and run before the Derby (or any other Triple Crown race for that matter). I guess it is possible the races might not be run in the traditional order (as mentioned upthread), that is not optimal IMO. Obviously there are lots of current issues to resolve in the country, so we will need to be patient and see how things progress.

Keeneone

Threads: 21
Posts: 1422

Joined: Aug 16, 2014

April 1st, 2020 at 11:08:14 AM permalink

Quote: bobbartop
Quote: Keeneone

The 146th Kentucky Derby will be rescheduled from May 2, 2020 to September 5, 2020

So essentially, they will be 4-year olds.

While they will be older (by ~4 months), their age will still be listed as 3 year olds. Current 3 year olds will all turn 4 years old on January 1, 2021.
It is a good point to think about. The extra time some of these horses get to rest, train, grow, and mature will definitely have an effect on the delayed Derby.

Last edited by: Keeneone on Apr 1, 2020

Keeneone

Threads: 21
Posts: 1422

Joined: Aug 16, 2014

April 3rd, 2020 at 1:17:02 PM permalink

Kentucky Derby futures Pool #4 is now open:
https://www.kentuckyderby.com/wager/future-wager/derby-pool-4
Current odds:
https://www.tvg.com/racetracks/KDF/ky-derby-futures?race=4
Past performances of the horses (click on Maxfield's Ultimate pps):
http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/briswatch.cgi/public/Darley/GODOLPHIN/9999/summary.html

I would surprised if #24 "All other 3 year olds" is not solidly the favorite when the pool closes.
----------

Forgot to mention this earlier. Ete Indien had some injuries during the Florida Derby (got cuts on left hind leg, lost a shoe, and grabbed a heel).
https://www.horseracingnation.com/news/Ete_Indien_injured_in_Florida_Derby_Biancone_battles_troll_123
Plenty of time for him to heal for the fall Derby.

SOOPOO

Threads: 122
Posts: 10992

Joined: Aug 8, 2010

April 4th, 2020 at 6:22:57 AM permalink

Keene... you would probably know.... 3 year olds that race in the Derby are not still fully mature, correct? They still get a little faster as they get older? If so, will this Derby be the fastest ever?

Keeneone

Threads: 21
Posts: 1422

Joined: Aug 16, 2014

April 4th, 2020 at 9:34:46 AM permalink

Quote: SOOPOO
Keene... you would probably know.... 3 year olds that race in the Derby are not still fully mature, correct? They still get a little faster as they get older? If so, will this Derby be the fastest ever?

Interesting question. The horses that do run in this years Derby will definitely be older. But it does not mean they all will be more mature, more experienced, or faster runners.
I think the conditions of the track and makeup of the runners in the race have a bigger effect on the final time of the race. Fast vs wet track and number of sprinter/speedy "types" of runners that make the race. The current Derby pool does list quite a few speedy runners (Baffert's trainees are good examples) that could easily set up a lively pace scenario for the race resulting in a "fast" Derby time. But it is very difficult to predict which runners will be in the race at this time.

lilredrooster

Threads: 232
Posts: 6553

Joined: May 8, 2015

April 4th, 2020 at 10:02:16 AM permalink

for 2 year olds and 3 year olds it is a great unknown as to who will improve and sometimes improve dramatically in the very next race
nobody knows the answer to this and it will just about always fatten the payouts on those who have up to this point 𝐧𝐨𝐭 shown great promise

Please don't feed the trolls

Keeneone

Threads: 21
Posts: 1422

Joined: Aug 16, 2014

April 6th, 2020 at 8:45:51 AM permalink

Derby Future Pool #4 closed yesterday. �All Other 3-Year-Olds� closed as the 3-1 favorite. Handle was down quite a lot.

2019 KD Futures Pool #4:
Pool Total: $344,418.25
Exacta Pool Total: $155,988.50
Total: $500,406.75
https://www.twinspires.com/kentuckyderby/future-wager-pool

2020 KD Futures Pool #4:
Pool Total: $144,349
Exacta Pool Total: $69,315
Total: $213,664
https://www.kentuckyderby.com/horses/news/all-others-3-1-favorite-charlatan-and-tiz-the-law-co-5-1-second-choices-in-kentucky-derby-future-wager
----------

This pool probably should not have been opened due to the limited access to wagering (many/most tracks and casinos closed) and the lack of clarity about future prep races/qualification for the Derby.
I still believe CDI should refund/cancel all the Kentucky Derby Futures pools and start over when all the details are known. Of course there still is a chance the race does not run this year and all this discussion will be moot.

Keeneone

Threads: 21
Posts: 1422

Joined: Aug 16, 2014

April 11th, 2020 at 8:50:55 AM permalink

Oaklawn (in Hot Springs AR) will be running the Oaklawn Stakes today @ ~6:48est (Race #11). It is a replacement for the Arkansas Derby that will now be run on the first Saturday in May. While there are no Derby qualifying points, the race contains many potential Derby prospects. If I was forced to make a pick for this race, I would go #12 - Farmington Road and then #1 - Basin.

https://www.tvg.com/racetracks/OP/oaklawn-park?race=11
Past Performances:
https://tinyurl.com/sd3otja

Keeneone

Threads: 21
Posts: 1422

Joined: Aug 16, 2014

April 11th, 2020 at 5:41:35 PM permalink

Big upset in the Oaklawn Stakes. Mr. Big News won @ 45/1. Wow!
http://www.equibase.com/premium/chartEmb.cfm?track=OP&raceDate=04/11/2020&cy=USA&rn=11

(Shoutout to DD if you are reading) Mr. Big News' AWD's were off the chart on the Ultimate pps (Sire Stats: AWD 8.1 Dam's Sire: AWD 10.4). I kind of wrote him off as a Turfer that would not care for an off track.

lilredrooster

Threads: 232
Posts: 6553

Joined: May 8, 2015

April 27th, 2020 at 11:04:25 AM permalink

on May 2 NBC will be hosting a 𝘷𝘪𝘳𝘵𝘶𝘢𝘭 Kentucky Derby

its not actually a betting event - I think people can make free picks and if they win they're entered into a drawing to win an invitation and special VIP treatment at the real Derby in September- that's the way I read it - but I'm not 100% sure

it appears to be something that a person could actually handicap - although that would certainly be very difficult to do
the virtual race will feature the 13 past Triple Crown winners running against each other using data algorithms with historical handicapping info about each horse

from the article:

"Fans can tune in to a special broadcast on NBC on May 2, from 3 to 6 p.m. EDT, which will feature the 2015 Kentucky Derby that began the legendary American Pharoah�s historic Triple Crown run (full NBC Sports show details to be announced next week). In addition, the NBC broadcast will highlight Churchill Downs� first ever virtual horse race�The Kentucky Derby: Triple Crown Showdown, a computer-simulated version of a race under the historic Twin Spires of Churchill Downs. The virtual race, created by Inspired Entertainment, will feature the 13 past Triple Crown winners and use data algorithms including historical handicapping information about each horse, which helps to determine the probability of their potential finishing positions.
Beginning on April 30, fans will be able to visit www.KentuckyDerby.com to choose their favorite horse to win the virtual race and also join Churchill Downs in making a charitable donation to COVID-19 emergency relief efforts. All participants who select the winning horse will be entered to win the ultimate Kentucky Derby 146 VIP Experience. Churchill Downs has pledged to match up to $1 million of donations with funds to be directed to the Team Kentucky Fund and Direct Relief. A small percentage will be earmarked for the R.E.I.N. Fund (Relief for Equine Industry Needs), a program managed by Churchill Downs Foundation designed to benefit workers of the backside whose livelihood has been impacted"

looks like a fun thing to watch - especially considering that's all we have

https://www.kentuckyderby.com/horses/news/triple-crown-winners-to-race-in-virtual-kentucky-derby-for-charity-on-the-first-saturday-in-may-on-nbc

Please don't feed the trolls

ThatDonGuy

ThatDonGuy

Threads: 117
Posts: 6267

Joined: Jun 22, 2011

April 27th, 2020 at 11:40:52 AM permalink

Quote: lilredrooster
"Fans can tune in to a special broadcast on NBC on May 2, from 3 to 6 p.m. EDT, which will feature the 2015 Kentucky Derby that began the legendary American Pharoah�s historic Triple Crown run (full NBC Sports show details to be announced next week). In addition, the NBC broadcast will highlight Churchill Downs� first ever virtual horse race�The Kentucky Derby: Triple Crown Showdown, a computer-simulated version of a race under the historic Twin Spires of Churchill Downs. The virtual race, created by Inspired Entertainment, will feature the 13 past Triple Crown winners and use data algorithms including historical handicapping information about each horse, which helps to determine the probability of their potential finishing positions.

At first, I thought it said the past 13 Kentucky Derby winners (2007-2019), and wondered why they would stop there, before remembering that 2006 was Barbero.

But if it's the 13 Triple Crown winners, unless they box him in early or force him wide twice, I don't see how Secretariat doesn't run away with this.

SOOPOO

Threads: 122
Posts: 10992

Joined: Aug 8, 2010

April 27th, 2020 at 11:54:24 AM permalink

Quote: ThatDonGuy
Quote: lilredrooster
"Fans can tune in to a special broadcast on NBC on May 2, from 3 to 6 p.m. EDT, which will feature the 2015 Kentucky Derby that began the legendary American Pharoah�s historic Triple Crown run (full NBC Sports show details to be announced next week). In addition, the NBC broadcast will highlight Churchill Downs� first ever virtual horse race�The Kentucky Derby: Triple Crown Showdown, a computer-simulated version of a race under the historic Twin Spires of Churchill Downs. The virtual race, created by Inspired Entertainment, will feature the 13 past Triple Crown winners and use data algorithms including historical handicapping information about each horse, which helps to determine the probability of their potential finishing positions.

At first, I thought it said the past 13 Kentucky Derby winners (2007-2019), and wondered why they would stop there, before remembering that 2006 was Barbero.

But if it's the 13 Triple Crown winners, unless they box him in early or force him wide twice, I don't see how Secretariat doesn't run away with this.

Agree. I'm surprised they don't make it a trifecta or something like that so that it is less a lottery and more a contest. Secretariat should go off at 1-5. Although I've never seen a dead horse run....

lilredrooster

Threads: 232
Posts: 6553

Joined: May 8, 2015

April 27th, 2020 at 1:45:55 PM permalink

I'm not so sure Secretariat would have an easy time with Citation who was before my time and before the time of most posting here

some facts about Citation:

Citation started the 1948 racing season with two victories over older horse Armed, who had been named Thoroughbred racing's 1947 Horse of the Year, in an allowance race and the Seminole Handicap. It is rare for a three-year-old to defeat older horses so early in the year, let alone a top handicap star such as Armed.

By the end of his three-year-old season, Citation had a record of 20 starts, 19 wins and $709,470, for a new single season record.

Toward the end of his three-year-old season, he developed an osselet.The osselet injury kept Citation from racing in 1949, but he came back to race in 1950, winning his 16th race in a row at Santa Anita Park (a streak that stood alone among major North American stakes horses until Cigar equaled the feat in 1994�96

almost flying - horse racing's first millionaire

Please don't feed the trolls

Keeneone

Threads: 21
Posts: 1422

Joined: Aug 16, 2014

April 27th, 2020 at 4:52:14 PM permalink

Secretariat has the track record. 1:59.40 - Secretariat (1973).
It would be weird if he somehow "lost" against the other great Triple Crown winners. Of course we do not know the inputs of the "virtual event" (by Inspired Entertainment). I will only be disappointed if a Baffert TC winner "wins" (AP or Justify). Should be fun to watch and will make for an entertaining first Saturday in May.

The Arkansas Derby will also be run on the same day (in two split races of 22 entrants).

Johnzimbo

Johnzimbo

Threads: 4
Posts: 1145

Joined: Sep 29, 2010

April 27th, 2020 at 5:44:57 PM permalink

Kinda reminds me of the baseball strike in 1981 (I think), there was no all-star game so they created one for a radio broadcast, with all-stars and hall of famers. My college roomies and I drank beer on our front lawn and spent 3 hours listening to the "game"..which ended on a home run by Hank Aaron.

Secretariat wins I say

lilredrooster

Threads: 232
Posts: 6553

Joined: May 8, 2015

April 28th, 2020 at 3:25:00 AM permalink

Quote: Keeneone
Secretariat has the track record. 1:59.40 - Secretariat (1973).

yes, on 2nd thought I would have to agree that Secretariat would beat Citation and probably pretty easily
I looked up Citation's time in the Derby and it was 2:05.40

that's a full 6 seconds difference and something that cannot be accounted for by a track variant
the rough standard is that 1 second is equal to 5 lengths

then I learned that Citation ran on a sloppy track in the Derby so I looked for more info

Preakness:

Secretariat...............................1:53

Citation.....................................202.40

not much chance for Citation unless Secretariat has a bad off day like he once did with an abscessed tooth

https://www.horseracingnation.com/race/1948_Preakness#

Last edited by: lilredrooster on Apr 28, 2020

Please don't feed the trolls

onenickelmiracle

Threads: 212
Posts: 8277

Joined: Jan 26, 2012

April 28th, 2020 at 7:51:12 AM permalink

Just like any sporting event, the outcome is the outcome, but based on odds. It's one reason why I'm not huge on sports, because it doesn't prove anything besides what happened, happened and let's watch another coin flip. It's like throwing 1 round of roulette, playing 1 spin on a slot, one hand of BJ, there is never really a champion. If there were clones of these horses in real life and they raced each other, that would be cool. Reminds me of a thought the other day, if we were to clone George Washington, or Abraham Lincoln, what their life would be like, many would be total losers.

I am a robot.

Keeneone

Threads: 21
Posts: 1422

Joined: Aug 16, 2014

Thanked by

April 28th, 2020 at 12:00:52 PM permalink

I am announcing a free roll for "The Kentucky Derby: Triple Crown Showdown". Virtual race post time TBD, but will be broadcast on NBC this Saturday May 2, from 3 to 6 p.m. EDT. Hopefully this will be fun.

1st Place Prize = $25.00 Walmart e-gift card.
2nd Place Prize = $10.00 Uber/Ubereats e-gift card.

13 Triple Crown winners = 13 official entries. I am also participating in the free roll, so I will have one horse in the race. Eight members have already posted in the 2020 Kentucky Derby thread:
Keeneone, Suited89, ThatDonGuy, SOOPOO, onenickelmiracle, lilredrooster, bobbartop, Johnzimbo
These members will have automatic entry into the free roll (if they wish to participate). Please post confirmation in the thread if you do/do not wish to participate. Remaining entries will be filled on a first post first served basis. So make a post in this thread if you want to get a remaining entry. Once 13 entries are confirmed, I will use a random number generator to assign the 13 horses (1-->13 post positions). Dead heats will result in splitting/sharing of the prizes. :)
Permission for this freeroll has been granted by WOV management.
https://www.kentuckyderby.com/horses/news/triple-crown-winners-to-race-in-virtual-kentucky-derby-for-charity-on-the-first-saturday-in-may-on-nbc
13 Triple Crown winners: Sir Barton (1919), Gallant Fox (1930), Omaha (1935), War Admiral (1937), Whirlaway (1941), Count Fleet (1943), Assault (1946), Citation (1948), Secretariat (1973), Seattle Slew (1977), Affirmed (1978), American Pharoah (2015), and Justify (2018)

Joeman

Joeman

Threads: 36
Posts: 2414

Joined: Feb 21, 2014

Thanked by

April 28th, 2020 at 12:31:14 PM permalink

That's awesome, Keeneone! I'd like an entry if they are still available.

This reminds me of my parents' Derby parties. My Dad has me go to the local card room (which also has simulcast wagering) and get a $2 win ticket on each runner. Then, everyone at the party draws a ticket out of a hat as a door prize, and everyone has a horse to root for.

"Dealer has 'rock'... Pay 'paper!'"

onenickelmiracle

Threads: 212
Posts: 8277

Joined: Jan 26, 2012

Thanked by

April 28th, 2020 at 1:53:13 PM permalink

I'm in. I choose Secretariat.

I am a robot.

lilredrooster

Threads: 232
Posts: 6553

Joined: May 8, 2015

Thanked by

April 28th, 2020 at 2:12:55 PM permalink

that's very generous of you K
I'll opt out and give someone else a chance to win
good luck guys

interestingly, (to me) Secretariat lost 5 races in his career:

Woodward Stakes...................................................... finished 2nd...........................beaten by a 16/1 shot - Prove Out
Whitney Stakes..........................finished 2nd..............................................................................beaten by Onion
Wood Memorial Stakes............................................................finished 3rd......................................beaten by both Angle Light and Sham
Champagne Stakes.......................finished 2nd............................he was DQed - he bore in and bumped Stop the Music who got the win

and his very first race - a maiden race - he finished 4th

so he's not unbeatable

Last edited by: lilredrooster on Apr 28, 2020

Please don't feed the trolls

onenickelmiracle

Threads: 212
Posts: 8277

Joined: Jan 26, 2012

April 28th, 2020 at 4:18:16 PM permalink

Quote: onenickelmiracle
I'm in. I choose Secretariat.

I'm not sure how they're doing it, but this is is a bad pick. I was trying to look up fastest triple crown winners in derby, and it's actually not easy. Just keep finding the same stuff over and over again. There was something about how Secretariat ran a bad race up to the derby because of a sore in his mouth. I'd imagine based on races before the derby, it kind of hurts him. Spent 10-15 minutes googling, then it became not worth the time.

I am a robot.

Keeneone

Threads: 21
Posts: 1422

Joined: Aug 16, 2014

April 28th, 2020 at 5:59:57 PM permalink

I would guess the creators of the algorithm will be using many inputs. Obviously, using only the raw time of the Triple Crown winner's Kentucky Derby would be simplistic. Hopefully they will explain a little more about how they do it. The more I think about it, I kinda agree that Secretariat is not a lock in this scenario. I agree he is the "handicapper's" favorite (as others have already mentioned) and will likely be the fan favorite as well for this event.

billryan

billryan

Threads: 240
Posts: 16282

Joined: Nov 2, 2009

Thanked by

April 28th, 2020 at 6:41:29 PM permalink

Will the Belmont still be run 5 weeks after the Derby? I'm not sure Belmont is even open at that time of the year.

The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.

Keeneone

Threads: 21
Posts: 1422

Joined: Aug 16, 2014

April 28th, 2020 at 7:21:22 PM permalink

Quote: billryan
Will the Belmont still be run 5 weeks after the Derby? I'm not sure Belmont is even open at that time of the year.

I don't think a decision has been made about the Belmont Stakes or the Preakness yet. It is certainly possible the order of the Triple Crown races will be different this year.
----------

Arkansas Derby will be run @ Oaklawn Park in 2 divisions this Saturday. 2 horses have already scratched (one from each race).

Race #11 (Post Time: 6:29/( 5:29)/ 4:29/ 3:29)
Ark Derby #1 past performances (click on Charlatan's Ultimate PPs):
http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/briswatch.cgi/Baffert/BAFFERT_BOB/9999/summary.htm
Scratch #6 - Shooters Shoot

Race #13 (Post Time: 7:43/( 6:43)/ 5:43/ 4:43)
Ark Derby #2 past performances (click on Nadal's Ultimate PPs):
http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/briswatch.cgi/Baffert/BAFFERT_BOB/9999/summary.htm
Scratch #8 - Fast Enough

Bob Baffert trains the favorite in both races (Charlatan and Nadal). The second divison looks tougher on paper. My Derby future hopeful (#7 Silver Prospector) is in the second group. I think he was a little tired in his last race (his 3rd start in 7 weeks). This will be the 10th start of his career, the most of any runner in both races. A little break between events may be just what he needed (7 weeks since his last race). I will be pulling for him on Saturday.

billryan

billryan

Threads: 240
Posts: 16282

Joined: Nov 2, 2009

Thanked by

April 28th, 2020 at 8:28:44 PM permalink

I'd love to see a 20 horse Belmont Stakes as the first leg.

The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.

Keeneone

Threads: 21
Posts: 1422

Joined: Aug 16, 2014

April 29th, 2020 at 9:51:21 AM permalink

Quote: billryan
I'd love to see a 20 horse Belmont Stakes as the first leg.

I am cool with whatever happens this year. I would just like them to keep the race @ 1.5 miles. There are articles suggesting it could/should be shortened if it goes before the Preakness/K Derby.

MidwestAP

MidwestAP

Threads: 22
Posts: 1264

Joined: Feb 19, 2012

Thanked by

April 29th, 2020 at 10:55:45 AM permalink

If there's still a spot open, would love to participate. Looking forward to watching this pseudo sporting event this weekend.

Keeneone

Threads: 21
Posts: 1422

Joined: Aug 16, 2014

April 29th, 2020 at 11:06:31 AM permalink

The Kentucky Derby: Triple Crown Showdown - WOV free roll.

Entrants: 5 confirmed (of 13 total)
Keeneone = confirmed
Suited 89 = ?
ThatDonGuy = ?
SOOPOO = ?
onenickelmiracle = confirmed
lilredrooster = not participating to allow others to play
bobbartop = ?
Johnzimbo = ?
Joeman = confirmed
billryan = confirmed
MidwestAP = confirmed

I will do a random drawing to assign the horses once we have 13 entries (or Friday at the latest).

Keeneone

Threads: 21
Posts: 1422

Joined: Aug 16, 2014

April 29th, 2020 at 11:07:03 AM permalink

#1 Affirmed (1978, Steve Cauthen, Laz Barrera, 5-1);
#2 Assault (1946, Warren Mehrtens, Max Hirsch, 20-1);
#3 Secretariat (1973, Ron Turcotte, Lucien Lauren, 7-2);
#4 Sir Barton (1919, Johnny Loftus, Guy Bedwell, 20-1);
#5 Seattle Slew (1977, Jean Cruguet, Billy Turner Jr., 5-1);
#6 American Phraoah (2015, Victor Espinoza, Bob Baffert, 6-1);
#7 Gallant Fox (1930, Earl Sande, �Sunny� Jim Fitzsimmons, 20-1);
#8 Citation (1948, Eddie Arcaro, Ben Jones, 4-1);
#9 War Admiral (1937, Charlie Kurtsinger, George Conway, 8-1);
#10 Whirlaway (1941, Eddie Arcaro, Ben Jones, 4-1);
#11 Count Fleet (1943, Johnny Longden, Don Cameron, 6-1);
#12 Justify (2018, Mike Smith, Bob Baffert, 15-1);
#13 Omaha (1935, Willie �Smokey� Saunders, �Sunny� Jim Fitzsimmons, 20-1)
https://www.kentuckyderby.com/horses/news/secretariat-made-7-2-favorite-in-kentucky-derby-triple-crown-showdown?sc_src=email_1352716&sc_lid=81795629&sc_uid=PVvzparBsp&sc_llid=150911
https://www.paulickreport.com/news/triple-crown/hard-to-deny-his-pps-secretariat-made-7-2-favorite-in-virtual-derby/
Virtual race post time: 5:45 p.m (ET). It will be broadcast on NBC this Saturday May 2.

Johnzimbo

Johnzimbo

Threads: 4
Posts: 1145

Joined: Sep 29, 2010

Thanked by

April 29th, 2020 at 11:58:25 AM permalink

I am in but will not win. That's my prediction

Keeneone

Threads: 21
Posts: 1422

Joined: Aug 16, 2014

April 29th, 2020 at 4:08:36 PM permalink

More information about the virtual race and how it works:

"It's like the NBA Draft. It's a weighted lottery system," said Darren Rogers, senior director of communications and media services for Churchill Downs. "So, for example, if you had 100 numbered ping-pong balls in a bin. And one of them was drawn to determine the winner, 20 of the balls might have the number of the horse that's considered to be the favorite. And then the horse that is considered to be the longest shot in the field or the slimmest of chances among the 13, may only have a ping-pong ball number with two of them. In the end, though, the randomly drawn ball determines the winner."
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/239878/secretariat-slight-favorite-in-virtual-kentucky-derby

My simple translation = Every horse has a chance.

lilredrooster

Threads: 232
Posts: 6553

Joined: May 8, 2015

April 30th, 2020 at 5:14:42 AM permalink

mint supplier for Derby mint juleps stuck with 4,000 pounds of mint

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/04/30/this-farm-supplied-mint-kentucky-derbys-famous-drink-now-its-stuck-with-two-tons-it/

Please don't feed the trolls

onenickelmiracle

Threads: 212
Posts: 8277

Joined: Jan 26, 2012

April 30th, 2020 at 7:36:48 AM permalink

Quote: lilredrooster
mint supplier for Derby mint juleps stuck with 4,000 pounds of mint

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/04/30/this-farm-supplied-mint-kentucky-derbys-famous-drink-now-its-stuck-with-two-tons-it/

As said in the article, they just cut it down. Mint just grows and grows, it's everywhere.

I am a robot.

SOOPOO

Threads: 122
Posts: 10992

Joined: Aug 8, 2010

Thanked by

April 30th, 2020 at 10:37:42 AM permalink

I'm in. Thanks! Something to pay attention to is a treat......

lilredrooster

Threads: 232
Posts: 6553

Joined: May 8, 2015

April 30th, 2020 at 10:53:33 AM permalink

I'm really hoping none of the horses get injured
that would be bad for the sport..................................................... 😃

for those who are entered -
you might want to take a look at their latest workouts before you make your picks............................... 😃

Please don't feed the trolls

Keeneone

Threads: 21
Posts: 1422

Joined: Aug 16, 2014

April 30th, 2020 at 11:17:51 AM permalink

Quote: lilredrooster
I'm really hoping none of the horses get injured
that would be bad for the sport..................................................... 😃

for those who are entered -
you might want to take a look at their latest workouts before you make your picks............................... 😃

On Saturday, all involved will get home safe and sound in the Virtual Derby. :)
Hard to imagine an 100+ year old colt could win this event. That is a looooooooooong layoff.
Sir Barton (1919 TC Winner)

Keeneone

Threads: 21
Posts: 1422

Joined: Aug 16, 2014

April 30th, 2020 at 2:01:16 PM permalink

Entries still available for this free roll:

The Kentucky Derby: Triple Crown Showdown - WOV free roll.

Entrants: 7 confirmed (of 13 total)
Keeneone = confirmed
Suited 89 = ?
ThatDonGuy = ?
SOOPOO = confirmed
onenickelmiracle = confirmed
lilredrooster = not participating to allow others to play
bobbartop = ?
Johnzimbo = confirmed
Joeman = confirmed
billryan = confirmed
MidwestAP = confirmed

I will do a random drawing to assign the horses once we have 13 entries (or Friday at the latest).

billryan

billryan

Threads: 240
Posts: 16282

Joined: Nov 2, 2009

Thanked by

April 30th, 2020 at 3:16:20 PM permalink

If it is okay with the OP, I'd like to add a $10 cash prize to the person whose horse that comes in last.

The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.

Keeneone

Threads: 21
Posts: 1422

Joined: Aug 16, 2014

April 30th, 2020 at 3:41:28 PM permalink

Quote: billryan
If it is okay with the OP, I'd like to add a $10 cash prize to the person whose horse that comes in last.

Works for me. It is odd that a Triple Crown winner has to finish 13th. But the event is for charity and all of these entrants are great horses no matter what.

**Updated**
Free roll for "The Kentucky Derby: Triple Crown Showdown". Virtual race post time: 5:45 p.m (ET). It will be broadcast on NBC this Saturday May 2. Hopefully this will be fun.

1st Place Prize = $25.00 Walmart e-gift card.
2nd Place Prize = $10.00 Uber/Ubereats e-gift card.
Last Place Prize = $10.00 (freeroll from billryan)

13 Triple Crown winners = 13 official entries. I am also participating in the free roll, so I will have one horse in the race. Eight members have already posted in the 2020 Kentucky Derby thread:
Keeneone, Suited89, ThatDonGuy, SOOPOO, onenickelmiracle, lilredrooster, bobbartop, Johnzimbo
These members will have automatic entry into the free roll (if they wish to participate). Please post confirmation in the thread if you do/do not wish to participate. Remaining entries will be filled on a first post first served basis. So make a post in this thread if you want to get a remaining entry. Once 13 entries are confirmed, I will use a random number generator to assign the 13 horses (1-->13 post positions). Dead heats will result in splitting/sharing of the prizes. :)
Permission for this freeroll has been granted by WOV management.
https://www.kentuckyderby.com/horses/news/triple-crown-winners-to-race-in-virtual-kentucky-derby-for-charity-on-the-first-saturday-in-may-on-nbc
13 Triple Crown winners: Sir Barton (1919), Gallant Fox (1930), Omaha (1935), War Admiral (1937), Whirlaway (1941), Count Fleet (1943), Assault (1946), Citation (1948), Secretariat (1973), Seattle Slew (1977), Affirmed (1978), American Pharoah (2015), and Justify (2018)

onenickelmiracle