Keeneone
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March 31st, 2020 at 2:49:19 PM permalink
2020 Kentucky Derby And Triple Crown thread.

The 146th Kentucky Derby will be rescheduled from May 2, 2020 to September 5, 2020
https://www.kentuckyderby.com/
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I currently have futures (from NV casinos) on 2 in the Top 20 leaderboard:
Ete Indien
Silver Prospector
https://www.kentuckyderby.com/horses
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Derby Future Pool #4 will go on. Announced today:
https://www.kentuckyderby.com/horses/news/churchill-downs-news-release-all-other-3-year-olds-made-early-5-2-favorite-for-rescheduled-derby-pool-4-of-kentucky-derby-future-wager-set-for-friday-sunday

Not really sure why they are doing this. Seems like a horrible idea. This section in particular should be resolved before new futures pools are started IMO:
"Churchill Downs officials have been working with other prominent partner tracks to add additional “Road to the Kentucky Derby” races and determine the various paths to the Kentucky Derby starting gate that enable the horses in the best form to compete. An updated schedule of races will be announced in the coming weeks as separate discussions with state and local governments and all appropriate parties to determine the most suitable time to conduct those races continue."
Suited89
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March 31st, 2020 at 4:40:13 PM permalink
Hopefully this thread gets traction.

The Louisiana Derby was run with zero audience recently. I forgot who won.
More-to-the-point, does anyone know the planned date of Preakness and Belmont?
Itt might fit in well with Arlington Sweeps.

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ThatDonGuy
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Thanks for this post from:
Suited89
March 31st, 2020 at 4:54:39 PM permalink
Quote: Suited89

More-to-the-point, does anyone know the planned date of Preakness and Belmont?
Itt might fit in well with Arlington Sweeps.


The Maryland Jockey Club's most recent statement, on March 17:

Quote: Maryland Jockey Club

“Our first priority in these difficult times is the health and welfare of our industry participants and the public at large. We are working with state and local governments, our industry participants, media and other affiliates to determine the most appropriate time to conduct the Preakness Stakes. While we are mindful of the challenges these times present we also know that events like the Preakness Stakes can help restore our sense of place and economic well-being to our communities and state. As soon as we have further clarity on these matters we will inform all.”


The NYRA still has the Belmont scheduled for June 6.
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March 31st, 2020 at 6:00:32 PM permalink
That's a mistake. The three tracks should get together and figure out a way to do Derby first, Preakness two weeks after that, and of course Belmont 3 weeks after that. None of these races stand as tall on their own compared to the "Triple Crown".
onenickelmiracle
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March 31st, 2020 at 6:59:01 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

That's a mistake. The three tracks should get together and figure out a way to do Derby first, Preakness two weeks after that, and of course Belmont 3 weeks after that. None of these races stand as tall on their own compared to the "Triple Crown".


It's not even going to be a true test. The top jockeys aren't all racing and it's not true competition without the crowds, so the horses don't really have to prove themselves. That's funny, because at small tracks and known tracks, the entire audience isn't there in person(either indoors or watching on a screen). It's totally different for the big races, there are a lot of distractions with all the people though, and the horses really have to overcome it. You might even have horses which would have excelled under pressure which cant when there isn't any. I'm actually disappointed to even hear there are races going on, it's not fair to all the people holding out, it just pushes the time needed longer where we're flattening the curve and they're making theirs bigger.
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April 1st, 2020 at 9:08:38 AM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

and it's not true competition without the crowds,




that's not correct

jocks (and trainers) get about 10% of the owner's share of the purse which is sometimes very large

if the purse is $400K the winning connections get about 60% of it which is $240K
the jock will get about $24K for the one race

if the jock's horse finishes worse than 4th he gets little or nothing unless he's a superstar jock and can demand something from the owner

there are some small variations of this from track to track






this is Florida's system of purse distribution:


"For example, if a race had twelve starters, 60% of the purse went to the winner, 18% to second, 10% to third, 4% to fourth and 1% each to fifth through twelfth; with only six starters the winner received the same 60%, but 20% went to second, 13% to third, 5% to fourth and 1% each to fifth and sixth.

This system is still in use at all of the state's thoroughbred tracks today, although a slight modification in the actual percentages (resulting in the second-place share being increased at the expense of the third and/or fourth) was made in 2005."
Last edited by: lilredrooster on Apr 1, 2020
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onenickelmiracle
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April 1st, 2020 at 9:43:25 AM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

that's not correct

jocks (and trainers) get about 10% of the owner's share of the purse which is sometimes very large

if the purse is $400K the winning connections get about 60% of it which is $240K
the jock will get about $24K for the one race

if the jock's horse finishes worse than 4th he gets little or nothing unless he's a superstar jock and can demand something from the owner

there are some small variations of this from track to track






this is Florida's system of purse distribution:


"For example, if a race had twelve starters, 60% of the purse went to the winner, 18% to second, 10% to third, 4% to fourth and 1% each to fifth through twelfth; with only six starters the winner received the same 60%, but 20% went to second, 13% to third, 5% to fourth and 1% each to fifth and sixth.

This system is still in use at all of the state's thoroughbred tracks today, although a slight modification in the actual percentages (resulting in the second-place share being increased at the expense of the third and/or fourth) was made in 2005."



Purses have nothing to do with it, I'm talking about what the derby races are about, improving the stock of the horses bred. It's likely to have inferior horses appear as the creme de le creme and the real standouts suffer. The only real purpose of these races is to find the next generation of horses to breed, so they can go through these trials. You just misunderstood me.
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lilredrooster
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April 1st, 2020 at 10:18:15 AM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

Purses have nothing to do with it, I'm talking about what the derby races are about, improving the stock of the horses bred.




the triple crown series is about a lot of different things, not just breeding for future superstars

purses are not everything but they surely have something to do with it

the Derby purse was just boosted to $3 million - the jock, possibly of a lesser stature with a relatively smallish income, can earn about $180K in one race - as well as a place in sports history - not bad for 2 minutes of work
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April 1st, 2020 at 10:51:05 AM permalink
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The 146th Kentucky Derby will be rescheduled from May 2, 2020 to September 5, 2020




So essentially, they will be 4-year olds.
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Keeneone
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April 1st, 2020 at 11:01:25 AM permalink
These are the USA preps left to run:
Arkansas Derby Oaklawn Park May 2, 2020
100-40-2-10


Wood Memorial Aqueduct TBD
100-40-20-10
Blue Grass Keeneland TBD
100-40-20-10
Santa Anita Derby Santa Anita Park TBD
100-40-20-10
Lexington Keeneland TBD
20-8-4-2

It would be nice to see these rescheduled and run before the Derby (or any other Triple Crown race for that matter). I guess it is possible the races might not be run in the traditional order (as mentioned upthread), that is not optimal IMO. Obviously there are lots of current issues to resolve in the country, so we will need to be patient and see how things progress.

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