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Quote: billryanOne game could have been on Saturday, the other on Sunday. The NFL originally played on Sundays because the players almost all had full-time jobs Monday to Friday. Those conditions changed.
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You’d need an act of Congress to overturn the sports broadcasting act and change that during the season. I don’t know why one of the games this weekend isn’t Sat night. I assume the nfl and its broadcasting partners think both games on Sunday maximizes viewership.
Quote: unJonQuote: billryanOne game could have been on Saturday, the other on Sunday. The NFL originally played on Sundays because the players almost all had full-time jobs Monday to Friday. Those conditions changed.
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You’d need an act of Congress to overturn the sports broadcasting act and change that during the season. I don’t know why one of the games this weekend isn’t Sat night. I assume the nfl and its broadcasting partners think both games on Sunday maximizes viewership.
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The NFL doesn't play on Saturday during the college season but could play the Championships on Saturday and Sunday.
Quote: billryanQuote: unJonQuote: billryanOne game could have been on Saturday, the other on Sunday. The NFL originally played on Sundays because the players almost all had full-time jobs Monday to Friday. Those conditions changed.
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You’d need an act of Congress to overturn the sports broadcasting act and change that during the season. I don’t know why one of the games this weekend isn’t Sat night. I assume the nfl and its broadcasting partners think both games on Sunday maximizes viewership.
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The NFL doesn't play on Saturday during the college season but could play the Championships on Saturday and Sunday.
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Neutral site championship games are probably going to happen the next few years. This could bring a sat/sun format. I would not like to see it but I can see it happening. It could happen all in the same city. Say Phoenix or Vegas. Would pump things almost like a SB. But much will be changed.
Quote: billryanQuote: unJonQuote: billryanOne game could have been on Saturday, the other on Sunday. The NFL originally played on Sundays because the players almost all had full-time jobs Monday to Friday. Those conditions changed.
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You’d need an act of Congress to overturn the sports broadcasting act and change that during the season. I don’t know why one of the games this weekend isn’t Sat night. I assume the nfl and its broadcasting partners think both games on Sunday maximizes viewership.
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The NFL doesn't play on Saturday during the college season but could play the Championships on Saturday and Sunday.
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That’s what I said (not very clearly I guess).
Whoa_______ Luka Donic 73 points last night - really impressive
he seems like an old school type of player to me - I never really watched him before - I'm pretty surprised he's that impactful
he's now tied for 4th for most points in an NBA game -
Wilt - 100 - 1962_______________can you believe it_____________?
Kobe - 81 - 2006
Wilt 78 - 1961
Wilt - 73 -1962
Donic - yesterday and David Thompson 73 in 1978
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Quote: billryanTwo seventy-point games in three days, compared to about ten in seventy years. A perfect example of why I find basketball near impossible to watch.
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Or a statistical anomaly combined with the sharpshooter fallacy.
Wilt and David Thompson did it without the 3 point shot
when David Thompson arrived at NC State his teammates gave him a nickname that didn't stick - DDT___________Dazzling David Thompson
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Luka last night:
The cool thing was is he shot the lights out - 17-20 on 2 pointers and 15-16 from the free throw line, 8-13 on 3's. 25-33 is a tick over 75%. A lot of high scoring games a lot of guys took 2-3 times their normal amount of shots and did not shoot much over 50%.
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It’s the “juiced ball” era of the nba. Red says raise the rim….I say just allow defense to hand check and get rid of defensive 3 seconds. Defensive 3 seconds isn’t a rule in FIBA/the Olympics. It’s the reason there’s not really any big really slow guys in the NBA anymore, but former NBA bigs and good college bigs play forever in Europe or the Olympics.
Rings with 3 different teams.
Please don’t give me a count of championships to determine GOAT in a team sport. Unless you think Robert Horry is the GOAT.
I watched MJ in his prime. He was an unbelievable scorer. Great defender. Clutch personified. Second best player of all time.
Quote: SOOPOOLebron James, the GOAT of basketball, at age 39 just had a 36/20/12 game. How many 30/20/10 games did Michael Jordan have in his entire career? That would be zero.
Rings with 3 different teams.
Please don’t give me a count of championships to determine GOAT in a team sport. Unless you think Robert Horry is the GOAT.
I watched MJ in his prime. He was an unbelievable scorer. Great defender. Clutch personified. Second best player of all time.
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I liked most of your post
but I enjoyed watching MJ more - he was more dazzling imho
you have the right to your opinion but:
the GOAT______?_____no one will ever convince me that anyone other than Wilt was the GOAT_______𝗼𝗻𝗲 𝘆𝗲𝗮𝗿 𝗵𝗲 𝗮𝘃𝗲𝗿𝗮𝗴𝗲𝗱 𝟱𝟬 𝗽.𝗽.𝗴.
he just totally dominated everybody - yes, the competition was not as tough overall but it was very tough at the Center position - he competed against Bill Russell, Kareem, Nate Thurmond , Walt Bellamy
everybody used to talk about Bill Russell blocking shots - I believe Wilt blocked more shots - but his scoring was so unbelievable everybody focused on that
I can't see it any other way
thru his career Lebron has averaged 7.5 rebounds per game - Wilt averaged 22.9 - one year Wilt averaged 27.2 bounds per game
Lebron has averaged 0.7 blocks per game - they didn't keep stats on blocks when Wilt played - I'm guessing he blocked at least 4 shots per game - about 6 times as many as Lebron
people love to compare Wilt to Kareem - Kareem averaged 11.2 bounds per game - Wilt got more than twice as many
2 vids - Wilt blocking dunks and Wilt blocking 2 of Kareem's sky hooks
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Quote: lilredroosterQuote: SOOPOOLebron James, the GOAT of basketball, at age 39 just had a 36/20/12 game. How many 30/20/10 games did Michael Jordan have in his entire career? That would be zero.
Rings with 3 different teams.
Please don’t give me a count of championships to determine GOAT in a team sport. Unless you think Robert Horry is the GOAT.
I watched MJ in his prime. He was an unbelievable scorer. Great defender. Clutch personified. Second best player of all time.
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I liked most of your post
but I enjoyed watching MJ more - he was more dazzling imho
you have the right to your opinion but:
the GOAT______?_____no one will ever convince me that anyone other than Wilt was the GOAT_______𝗼𝗻𝗲 𝘆𝗲𝗮𝗿 𝗵𝗲 𝗮𝘃𝗲𝗿𝗮𝗴𝗲𝗱 𝟱𝟬 𝗽.𝗽.𝗴.
he just totally dominated everybody - yes, the competition was not as tough overall but it was very tough at the Center position - he competed against Bill Russell, Kareem, Nate Thurmond , Walt Bellamy
everybody used to talk about Bill Russell blocking shots - I believe Wilt blocked more shots - but his scoring was so unbelievable everybody focused on that
I can't see it any other way
thru his career Lebron has averaged 7.5 rebounds per game - Wilt averaged 22.9 - one year Wilt averaged 27.2 bounds per game
Lebron has averaged 0.7 blocks per game - they didn't keep stats on blocks when Wilt played - I'm guessing he blocked at least 4 shots per game - about 6 times as many as Lebron
people love to compare Wilt to Kareem - Kareem averaged 11.2 bounds per game - Wilt got more than twice as many
2 vids - Wilt blocking dunks and Wilt blocking 2 of Kareem's sky hooks
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It is hard to argue against Wilt as GOAT.
But the centers in his day were all one dimensional, and an extremely weak group as a whole. Nate Thurmond is a back up today. Jokic and Embiid are just way more talented than centers of yore. Imagine Wilt trying to guard Towns 27 feet from the basket. Imagine him taking on Antetokounmpo in transition.
That all being said, I used to argue for WILT as the GOAT. I just think LBJ has surpassed him.
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: lilredroosterQuote: SOOPOOLebron James, the GOAT of basketball, at age 39 just had a 36/20/12 game. How many 30/20/10 games did Michael Jordan have in his entire career? That would be zero.
Rings with 3 different teams.
Please don’t give me a count of championships to determine GOAT in a team sport. Unless you think Robert Horry is the GOAT.
I watched MJ in his prime. He was an unbelievable scorer. Great defender. Clutch personified. Second best player of all time.
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I liked most of your post
but I enjoyed watching MJ more - he was more dazzling imho
you have the right to your opinion but:
the GOAT______?_____no one will ever convince me that anyone other than Wilt was the GOAT_______𝗼𝗻𝗲 𝘆𝗲𝗮𝗿 𝗵𝗲 𝗮𝘃𝗲𝗿𝗮𝗴𝗲𝗱 𝟱𝟬 𝗽.𝗽.𝗴.
he just totally dominated everybody - yes, the competition was not as tough overall but it was very tough at the Center position - he competed against Bill Russell, Kareem, Nate Thurmond , Walt Bellamy
everybody used to talk about Bill Russell blocking shots - I believe Wilt blocked more shots - but his scoring was so unbelievable everybody focused on that
I can't see it any other way
thru his career Lebron has averaged 7.5 rebounds per game - Wilt averaged 22.9 - one year Wilt averaged 27.2 bounds per game
Lebron has averaged 0.7 blocks per game - they didn't keep stats on blocks when Wilt played - I'm guessing he blocked at least 4 shots per game - about 6 times as many as Lebron
people love to compare Wilt to Kareem - Kareem averaged 11.2 bounds per game - Wilt got more than twice as many
2 vids - Wilt blocking dunks and Wilt blocking 2 of Kareem's sky hooks
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It is hard to argue against Wilt as GOAT.
But the centers in his day were all one dimensional, and an extremely weak group as a whole. Nate Thurmond is a back up today. Jokic and Embiid are just way more talented than centers of yore. Imagine Wilt trying to guard Towns 27 feet from the basket. Imagine him taking on Antetokounmpo in transition.
That all being said, I used to argue for WILT as the GOAT. I just think LBJ has surpassed him.
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fair enough
I think you have a point regarding the much higher skill sets of today's centers and players overall
but if you instead mainly consider who dominated the competition they had to face and to what extent
I don't believe anybody is even remotely close to Wilt
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Soopoo and Mac posted about how great Lebron is now even at age 39
Steph Curry is not quite as old - he's 35 - but WOW___!!!_________he is truly amazing - just an incredible shooter
I do think on a few of his moves he's traveling and the refs let him get away with it
I'm old school and I don't really like the showing off after he hits these amazing shots - but that's just me - Jerry West and Oscar never used to do stuff like that unless maybe it was a shot that won the game
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Reed Sheppard, just a Freshman at Ky is among the highest % 3 point shooters ever in the NBA or College shooting an awesome .517
the best 3 pt. % Steph Curry ever shot in the NBA is .455 and in College .439 - he did average many more points and take many more shots per game
Sheppard is just the 3rd high-major player in the last 30 years to record at least 100 assists, 75 steals, 60 made 3 pointers and 20 blocks in a season
and he's only played 28 games__________enjoy:
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In another amazing example of his durability and longevity of excellence, James has more career points than Larry Bird and Magic Johnson COMBINED, who had their primes shortened by a bad back and HIV diagnosis, respectively.
Quote: mcallister3200I thought it was fitting that LeBron James broke the 40,000 point barrier last night against the current best player in the NBA, Jokic who just passed LeBron for 4th on the all time triple double list. And the nuggets showed LeBron and the Lakers that while he’s easily the best player of the 2000’s, they’re just not on Jokic/the nuggets level.
In another amazing example of his durability and longevity of excellence, James has more career points than Larry Bird and Magic Johnson COMBINED, who had their primes shortened by a bad back and HIV diagnosis, respectively.
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He’s still top ten player in the league. He had a great game. The Lakers bench is an absolute joke. COMBINED for 12 points last night.
Jokic best player in NBA by far. You can either play D to hold him under 25 OR hold him under 13 assists. Can’t do both! And occasionally, can’t do either!
Nuggets are fun to watch. Top 5 has played together for a few years, top 3 for their entire careers. The pieces fit, are complementary and more than the sum of their parts, just beautiful basketball.
About a minute left in the 3rd quarter
62 to 111
WTF
Pistol's record was in just 3 years - frosh couldn't play varsity then - Clark's is in 4 years - maybe not a fair comparison
she is truly great
I have linked her stats - .554 on her 2 pointers - and .382 on her 3 pointers - 28 points and 8 assists per game - 7 rebounds and 1.3 steals
her .856 from the free throw line (.881 her sophomore year) is better than I would estimate 90% of NBA players and much higher than Pistol's
only 16 of the NBA's 50 highest scorers shot a higher % from the line
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https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/caitlin-clark-1.html
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Quote: lilredroosterWomen's College star Caitlin Clark broke Pete Maravich's NCAA scoring record on Sunday besting Pistol's record of 3,667 points
Pistol's record was in just 3 years - frosh couldn't play varsity then - Clark's is in 4 years - maybe not a fair comparison
she is truly great
I have linked her stats - .554 on her 2 pointers - and .382 on her 3 pointers - 28 points and 8 assists per game - 7 rebounds and 1.3 steals
her .856 from the free throw line (.881 her sophomore year) is better than I would estimate 90% of NBA players and much higher than Pistol's
only 16 of the NBA's 50 highest scorers shot a higher % from the line
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https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/caitlin-clark-1.html
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She is certainly great. But she plays a sport that uses a different ball! You must be aware it is smaller in diameter so has a much greater chance of going in than a men’s ball. I think she should be compared to players who play the same sport with the same equipment.
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She is certainly great. But she plays a sport that uses a different ball! You must be aware it is smaller in diameter so has a much greater chance of going in than a men’s ball. I think she should be compared to players who play the same sport with the same equipment.
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good point SOOPOO
I didn't think about that and actually wasn't aware of it
edit - thinking back about her breaking Pistol's record -
she is nowhere close to him in p.p.g. - and there were no 3s in his time - if there were he surely would have gotten more than 50 per game
Pistol got 44 per game - of course his Dad was the team's Coach and he shot almost every time he had the ball - but still -
he is almost 10 points higher than 2nd place - Austin Carr at 34 -
pretty amazing
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I posted about the Pistol (he had Pistol written on the back of his Utah Jazz jersey) and then realized I didn't post a vid - so here is one
many of the younger guys here may never have seen him
this is him in the NBA - his College vids are not good quality
truly sensational stuff
r.i.p. Pete - he died at age 40 of a heart attack while playing hoops in a pickup game
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https://sports.yahoo.com/release-las-vegas-ballpark-renderings-204336653.html
Recently picked up "the 40 year old man's guide to playing basketball" and it's just a geometry book and video of Larry Bird and Kevin McHale moves from the Celtics.
Quote: MrVHere's an article with renderings of the proposed ball park for the A's to be built where the Trop now sits...
https://sports.yahoo.com/release-las-vegas-ballpark-renderings-204336653.html
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Looks kind of like Sydney Opera House.
Quote: AZDuffmanIn a crowded courtroom where place so can only see headline. LV Aces first WNBA team to sell out I assume for season. Thoughts?
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I believe they sold out the season tickets.
Quote: DRichQuote: AZDuffmanIn a crowded courtroom where place so can only see headline. LV Aces first WNBA team to sell out I assume for season. Thoughts?
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I believe they sold out the season tickets.
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Google shows that to be the case. As I said I could not hear the sound well I was in a huge hotel atrium room killing time before a gig. I really cannot care less about basketball and think the WNBA is silly. But it is interesting hearing that Vegas is the first place for a sellout. I figure basketball to be the biggest sport in Vegas due to UNLV, but maybe that is not the case due to all the transplants?
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: DRichQuote: AZDuffmanIn a crowded courtroom where place so can only see headline. LV Aces first WNBA team to sell out I assume for season. Thoughts?
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I believe they sold out the season tickets.
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Google shows that to be the case. As I said I could not hear the sound well I was in a huge hotel atrium room killing time before a gig. I really cannot care less about basketball and think the WNBA is silly. But it is interesting hearing that Vegas is the first place for a sellout. I figure basketball to be the biggest sport in Vegas due to UNLV, but maybe that is not the case due to all the transplants?
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Sadly, UNLV basketball has really fallen off and doesn't get much support anymore. The hockey team is supported probably more than any other team.
Larry Bird and Allstate Insurance mayhem character in the same commercial
Pretty funny
For me this is a huge dilemma. What to watch live and what to record and when can I watch it?
Quote: DRichTomorrow starts the NCAA basketball tournament. Usually my favtrite day of the year for watching basketball. Unfortunately the NCAA wrestling tournament also starts at noon tomorrow (another of my favorite sports days). I don't know what to do. Basketball runs from noon until midnight and the wrestling is on from noon until 3:30pm and 7pm until 10:30pm.
For me this is a huge dilemma. What to watch live and what to record and when can I watch it?
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Tape the wrestling and watch the NCAA live.
For the past 20 or so years a large group of guys, many would bring their kids, would get together at a local bar. We’d have 4 separate TVs tuned to different games. We’d commandeer a back room from noon until midnight Thursday and Friday. (I would stay an average of 4 hours each day, depending on work/wife/sons/interest.
As time went on the kids grew up, and now 4 of them are N.C.A.A. basketball coaches. So the fathers and those kids are not going to make it to our get together! (Florida, Xavier, and a D-3 school).
I see some of these guys just once a year. Go Gators! (Xavier lost in NIT).
Quote: DRichTomorrow starts the NCAA basketball tournament. Usually my favtrite day of the year for watching basketball. Unfortunately the NCAA wrestling tournament also starts at noon tomorrow (another of my favorite sports days). I don't know what to do. Basketball runs from noon until midnight and the wrestling is on from noon until 3:30pm and 7pm until 10:30pm.
For me this is a huge dilemma. What to watch live and what to record and when can I watch it?
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Can you watch one on one screen and the other on another screen (phone, laptop.other TV)?
Quote: SOOPOOLebron James, the GOAT of basketball, at age 39 just had a 36/20/12 game. How many 30/20/10 games did Michael Jordan have in his entire career? That would be zero.
Rings with 3 different teams.
Please don’t give me a count of championships to determine GOAT in a team sport. Unless you think Robert Horry is the GOAT.
I watched MJ in his prime. He was an unbelievable scorer. Great defender. Clutch personified. Second best player of all time.
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Who would you rather have leadn your team. Lebron with 4 rings or Bill Russell with 11? And spare us the "Robert Horry" excuse.
Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: SOOPOOLebron James, the GOAT of basketball, at age 39 just had a 36/20/12 game. How many 30/20/10 games did Michael Jordan have in his entire career? That would be zero.
Rings with 3 different teams.
Please don’t give me a count of championships to determine GOAT in a team sport. Unless you think Robert Horry is the GOAT.
I watched MJ in his prime. He was an unbelievable scorer. Great defender. Clutch personified. Second best player of all time.
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Who would you rather have leadn your team. Lebron with 4 rings or Bill Russell with 11? And spare us the "Robert Horry" excuse.
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The last I saw Bill Russell was struggling to walk so I don't think he could lead my team. LeBron may have lost a step but he is still playing at a high level. If those were my choices I would have to take LeBron.
Quote: DRichQuote: GenoDRPhQuote: SOOPOOLebron James, the GOAT of basketball, at age 39 just had a 36/20/12 game. How many 30/20/10 games did Michael Jordan have in his entire career? That would be zero.
Rings with 3 different teams.
Please don’t give me a count of championships to determine GOAT in a team sport. Unless you think Robert Horry is the GOAT.
I watched MJ in his prime. He was an unbelievable scorer. Great defender. Clutch personified. Second best player of all time.
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Who would you rather have leadn your team. Lebron with 4 rings or Bill Russell with 11? And spare us the "Robert Horry" excuse.
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The last I saw Bill Russell was struggling to walk so I don't think he could lead my team. LeBron may have lost a step but he is still playing at a high level. If those were my choices I would have to take LeBron.
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Last I saw Bill Russell was after he died, so he most assuredly would not be able to lead my team. That leaves us with Lebron, of the two choices.
Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: DRichTomorrow starts the NCAA basketball tournament. Usually my favtrite day of the year for watching basketball. Unfortunately the NCAA wrestling tournament also starts at noon tomorrow (another of my favorite sports days). I don't know what to do. Basketball runs from noon until midnight and the wrestling is on from noon until 3:30pm and 7pm until 10:30pm.
For me this is a huge dilemma. What to watch live and what to record and when can I watch it?
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Can you watch one on one screen and the other on another screen (phone, laptop.other TV)?
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Yes, I will have four screens going at once. The TV in my office and three computer screens. The other computer I must pretend to be doing work on.
Quote: DRichQuote: GenoDRPhQuote: DRichTomorrow starts the NCAA basketball tournament. Usually my favtrite day of the year for watching basketball. Unfortunately the NCAA wrestling tournament also starts at noon tomorrow (another of my favorite sports days). I don't know what to do. Basketball runs from noon until midnight and the wrestling is on from noon until 3:30pm and 7pm until 10:30pm.
For me this is a huge dilemma. What to watch live and what to record and when can I watch it?
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Can you watch one on one screen and the other on another screen (phone, laptop.other TV)?
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Yes, I will have four screens going at once. The TV in my office and three computer screens. The other computer I must pretend to be doing work on.
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Big day of watching basketball
Honestly doing other stuff while watching lol. Surfing internet, video games, laundry and of course Balatro :-)
I generally only pay attention to the last 5 min of a game if it's close.
Unless I notice a massive upset then watching a lot more
Rooting for all the dark uniforms. I want upsets
For me, more upsets means a better tournament
Underdogs that surprise the country is the best part of the tournament
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For me, more upsets means a better tournament
Underdogs that surprise the country is the best part of the tournament
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Well on Day 1 underdog lovers had two Big O's: Oregon and Oakland. And Duqesnue.
Oakland knocking off UK, and this happening twice in 3 years to Kentucky while their coach is on a “lifetime contract with 33 million buyout” is the big storyline so far. Kentucky needs to be praying Calipari just retires…
Kansas got by Samford largely due to a really bad foul call by the ref when the Samford player blocked the Kansas player's shot
you can see on the replay that the Samford player didn't even touch the Kansas player
Samford would probably have gotten the ball back down by 1 with 14 seconds left
(I never even heard of Samford until today)
no reviews - a crying shame
you can see the totally clean block and the ref blow the call at 1:59
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Kansas got by Samford largely due to a really bad foul call by the ref when the Samford player blocked the Kansas player's shot
you can see on the replay that the Samford player didn't even touch the Kansas player
Samford would probably have gotten the ball back down by 1 with 14 seconds left
(I never even heard of Samford until today)
no reviews - a crying shame
you can see the totally clean block and the ref blow the call at 1:59
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Too bad you can't review it
I watched that live
It was so clean with a perfect video angle
No doubt many of those kids would have been on a dark path had it not been for that game, but this could be the turning point in their lives.
Quote: mcallister3200Yale!
No doubt many of those kids would have been on a dark path had it not been for that game, but this could be the turning point in their lives.
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That was funny!
