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On the one hand, you’re arguing over teams with less chance of winning it all, on the other hand, arguably more teams will be in the mix to bubble.
Quote: billryanIf Bama was playing those teams on a neutral field, who would be favored?
Saban doesn't teach anything about PI that I didn't learn in high school. Of course, you take a penalty to avoid giving up a touchdown. Every kid learns that in Pop Warner.
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yeah, but Bama combines that strategy with:
- harassing the referees through the SEC office to not call the PI penalty against Alabama
- the fact that the PI call/non-call is not reviewable by replay
I understand that your life in NYC, Vegas and Arizona handicaps you in your knowledge of what happens in the Southeast Conference and deepest, darkest Alabama. I wish you joy and happiness anyway in this holiday season.
Who would be favored? If Bama is to be playing on a neutral field without Heisman Trophy winner Bryce Young at QB and without "Best defensive player in a generation" Will Anderson then Michigan or Tennessee would be favored. Substantially. Period. And even with those players and with the corrupted SEC referees, Tennessee (at home) beat the Alabama team because Bama has an unimpressive O-Line, D-line and Defensive backs.
And after losing to Tennessee an Alabama player punched two random Tennessee fans (one a girl) and Nick Saban publicly condoned that violence against fans because the player was "afraid." And privately placed the player in "anger management counseling" rather than in "Fear management counseling." So, if you were as judgmental about football teams as you are in your forum posts about everything else then you would not be an Alabama apologist and would not want to see the Alabama GirlBeaters in the CFP.
Quote: AD7loveWhile USC takes on Utah, TCU takes on Kansas St. There is probably a 19% chance that TCU and USC both lose, in which case Alabama and Ohio State would advance to the playoffs. I'd prefer to see a playoff featuring the conference champions from four different conferences, with no previous meetings between the four teams (and no losses).
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I see what you did there.
Go Portugal!
Quote: gordonm888Quote: billryanIf Bama was playing those teams on a neutral field, who would be favored?
Saban doesn't teach anything about PI that I didn't learn in high school. Of course, you take a penalty to avoid giving up a touchdown. Every kid learns that in Pop Warner.
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yeah, but Bama combines that strategy with:
- harassing the referees through the SEC office to not call the PI penalty against Alabama
- the fact that the PI call/non-call is not reviewable by replay
I understand that your life in NYC, Vegas and Arizona handicaps you in your knowledge of what happens in the Southeast Conference and deepest, darkest Alabama. I wish you joy and happiness anyway in this holiday season.
Who would be favored? If Bama is to be playing on a neutral field without Heisman Trophy winner Bryce Young at QB and without "Best defensive player in a generation" Will Anderson then Michigan or Tennessee would be favored. Substantially. Period. And even with those players and with the corrupted SEC referees, Tennessee (at home) beat the Alabama team because Bama has an unimpressive O-Line, D-line and Defensive backs.
And after losing to Tennessee an Alabama player punched two random Tennessee fans (one a girl) and Nick Saban publicly condoned that violence against fans because the player was "afraid." And privately placed the player in "anger management counseling" rather than in "Fear management counseling." So, if you were as judgmental about football teams as you are in your forum posts about everything else then you would not be an Alabama apologist and would not want to see the Alabama GirlBeaters in the CFP.
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I've been to three Bama games, a half dozen or so ND games, three U of Florida home games, , two Zoo of Miami games,three bowls and at least a dozen Army games. But by living in NYC for a few years I obviously can know nothing about the SEC.
I watched Tenn- Vanderbilt the other night as there were a few folks from Nashville.
But I'm the judgemental one. Green is the color of jealousy, no?
Quote: AD7loveWhile USC takes on Utah, TCU takes on Kansas St. There is probably a 19% chance that TCU and USC both lose, in which case Alabama and Ohio State would advance to the playoffs. I'd prefer to see a playoff featuring the conference champions from four different conference, with no previous meetings between the four teams (and no losses).
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This is a minor alteration of my earlier post which I reproduce below:
Quote: gordonm888TCU plays Kansas St and USC faces Utah. There's probably about a 20% chance that both TCU and USC lose, in which case Ohio State and Alabama slip into the playoffs. I'd rather see a playoff with the conference champs from 4 different conferences and with none of the four teams having played (and lost) to each other yet.
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What is going on? I don't get it. Why have you done this?
Quote: gordon888Alabama administrators hound the SEC refs about calling pass interference plays against Bama defenders (Pass interference is a judgment call and Saban coaches his defenders to commit PI if the play is going to result in a TD or a long gain.) Bama administrators harass SEC refs through the SEC office where Bama has a lot of power. This can result in refs being dismissed or used in a minimal way, and SEC refs understand this. IMO, Bama is the closest thing to organized crime in college football. It is well known that there was one particular ref who skewed his calls to Bama -and just by coincidence he was often assigned to Bama games.
Here you have it. Another authoritative, fact-based post with, of course, no links showing proof of such allegations.
It would seem to me that if the above were provable, the NCAA as well as the other combatant coaches within the SEC would have their say and make sure that Alabama would be sanctioned into oblivion. To me, the post is filled with conjecture, guessing, fan posturing, and even libel.
tuttigym
Quote: tuttigymQuote: gordon888Alabama administrators hound the SEC refs about calling pass interference plays against Bama defenders (Pass interference is a judgment call and Saban coaches his defenders to commit PI if the play is going to result in a TD or a long gain.) Bama administrators harass SEC refs through the SEC office where Bama has a lot of power. This can result in refs being dismissed or used in a minimal way, and SEC refs understand this. IMO, Bama is the closest thing to organized crime in college football. It is well known that there was one particular ref who skewed his calls to Bama -and just by coincidence he was often assigned to Bama games.
Here you have it. Another authoritative, fact-based post with, of course, no links showing proof of such allegations.
It would seem to me that if the above were provable, the NCAA as well as the other combatant coaches within the SEC would have their say and make sure that Alabama would be sanctioned into oblivion. To me, the post is filled with conjecture, guessing, fan posturing, and even libel.
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Gordon also believes a certain person won a certain election…..!
I’m hoping for the CHAOS that would ensue if a two loss Alabama team gets in ahead of one loss TCU.
Quote: gordonm888Quote: billryanIf Bama was playing those teams on a neutral field, who would be favored?
Saban doesn't teach anything about PI that I didn't learn in high school. Of course, you take a penalty to avoid giving up a touchdown. Every kid learns that in Pop Warner.
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yeah, but Bama combines that strategy with:
- harassing the referees through the SEC office to not call the PI penalty against Alabama
- the fact that the PI call/non-call is not reviewable by replay
I understand that your life in NYC, Vegas and Arizona handicaps you in your knowledge of what happens in the Southeast Conference and deepest, darkest Alabama. I wish you joy and happiness anyway in this holiday season.
I thought about this for a day and think this intended to be an insult.
Whats the procedure for making a formal complaint?The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
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Here you have it. Another authoritative, fact-based post with, of course, no links showing proof of such allegations.
It would seem to me that if the above were provable, the NCAA as well as the other combatant coaches within the SEC would have their say and make sure that Alabama would be sanctioned into oblivion. To me, the post is filled with conjecture, guessing, fan posturing, and even libel.
tuttigym
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There are things that people on the inside of organizations are willing to say privately that they are not willing to say pubicly. Of course, you are entitled to believe that nothing is true unless there has been an official investigation that has revealed smoking-gun evidence that is documented on an internet site. I note that college football has a cover-up culture where people avoid creating evidence via emails and electronic messaging and instead conduct unethical behavior by oral conversations.
The issues are in the relationship between the Univ of Alabama sports directorate and the SEC office. The SEC offices are located in Birmingham, Alabama where U. of Alabama has major schools and where it has always played some of its football games. Do administrators switch jobs back and forth between the Alabama sports directorate and the SEC offices? Does Alabama assign various senior administrators to walk across the street and work issues with the SEC office such as penalties? (Ans: Paul Finebaum has said on TV that they do when he was asked why Bama gets a disproportionate number of favorable calls from SEC refs.)
If you're interested in this subject then do some scholarly research and document your own sources. You can start on the internet with the widely known ref (now retired) who has been notorious for being favorable to Alabama. Please, do some work to educate yourself on the subject under discussion before you fire off posts in which you misuse the word libel.
As for conjecture and posturing: If you are intolerant of that, then I wonder why you spend time on social media.
Gotta wonder what kind or reception the losing Iranian players will get upon their return to their homeland.
Me, I'd defect.
Bravo team USA!
Quote: MrVThe US beat Iran at FIFA.
Gotta wonder what kind or reception the losing Iranian players will get upon their return to their homeland.
Me, I'd defect.
Bravo team USA!
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Maybe they just think of better days.
Quote: DRichCristiano Ronaldo offered $100 million a year to play for Saudi Arabia. At 37 years old how could he turn that down?
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Quite easily. He is worth just south of a billion already. And he can probably get 40-50 million from a PSG or Juventus or Real Madrid or Liverpool or Bayern Munich. His endorsements likely decrease with the Saudi deal.
Can you imagine how disinterested he’d be in playing in the big FC Mecca versus Real Medina match….?
He may want the extra money, but to ask ‘how could he turn it down?’ is an EASY question to answer!
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: DRichCristiano Ronaldo offered $100 million a year to play for Saudi Arabia. At 37 years old how could he turn that down?
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Quite easily. He is worth just south of a billion already. And he can probably get 40-50 million from a PSG or Juventus or Real Madrid or Liverpool or Bayern Munich. His endorsements likely decrease with the Saudi deal.
Can you imagine how disinterested he’d be in playing in the big FC Mecca versus Real Medina match….?
He may want the extra money, but to ask ‘how could he turn it down?’ is an EASY question to answer!
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I agree if it affects his ability to get endorsement money.
Quote: DRichCristiano Ronaldo offered $100 million a year to play for Saudi Arabia. At 37 years old how could he turn that down?
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Ken Griffey Jr left almost $50 million on the table to sign with his hometown Reds. A quote from the time said he was okay taking a limo to his private jet and not a helicopter.
I don't know much about Ronaldo, but I know he doesn't have to do anything he doesn't want to for money. Why would he want to raise his family in Saudi Arabia or be separated from them for half the year if they live elsewhere?
Quote: billryanQuote: DRichCristiano Ronaldo offered $100 million a year to play for Saudi Arabia. At 37 years old how could he turn that down?
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Ken Griffey Jr left almost $50 million on the table to sign with his hometown Reds. A quote from the time said he was okay taking a limo to his private jet and not a helicopter.
I don't know much about Ronaldo, but I know he doesn't have to do anything he doesn't want to for money. Why would he want to raise his family in Saudi Arabia or be separated from them for half the year if they live elsewhere?
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I would be willing to bet that was not $50 million per year.
If he goes anywhere, I don't think it will be for the money.
My opinion is if he goes to SA, he will end up losing both endorsements and popularity. It's not worth it, IMO. Others can and will disagree.
Gaylord Perry, king of the Spitball has passed
in his career he won 314 games, stuck out more than 3500 batters and won 2 Cy Young awards
in the vid he strikes out Reggie Jackson with his "super sinker" - actually a spitter - and Reggie is not at all happy about it
https://www.washingtonpost.com/obituaries/2022/12/01/pitcher-gaylord-perry-dead/
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Gaylord Perry, king of the Spitball has passed
in his career he won 314 games, stuck out more than 3500 batters and won 2 Cy Young awards
in the vid he strikes out Reggie Jackson with his "super sinker" - actually a spitter - and Reggie is not at all happy about it
Is it something unique about ‘spit’ that changes the way the ball moves through the air, or is water enough to do it? How about dirt? I recall someone using Vaseline? I also recall someone cutting (disfiguring) balls as well?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/obituaries/2022/12/01/pitcher-gaylord-perry-dead/
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Poor formatting. Sorry.
the link from wiki is a pretty good explanation
the extra weight on one side of the ball alters the wind resistance and causes the ball to move in atypical ways
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spitball
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Odds on LSU beating Georgia and Purdue beating Michigan are long, but it is still (a remote) possibility.
Losses 12-1 TCU has one loss, an overtime loss versus a top 10 team. 10-2 Bama has two close losses on the last play of the game, one versus a top 10 team (Tenn) and the other loss versus LSU which will probably be a 4-loss team at the end of today.
Wins vs Top 25 teamsTCU has multiple (4?? or 5??) wins versus top 25 teams including Texas. Alabama has wins versus Ole Miss and Texas.
I agree with Kirk Herbstreit. TCU in the CFP.
Disclaimer: I admit that I am not objective. I strongly dislike the Alabama football program.
Quote: gordonm888TCU vs Alabama
Losses 12-1 TCU has one loss, an overtime loss versus a top 10 team. 10-2 Bama has two close losses on the last play of the game, one versus a top 10 team (Tenn) and the other loss versus LSU which will probably be a 4-loss team at the end of today.
Wins vs Top 25 teamsTCU has multiple (4?? or 5??) wins versus top 25 teams including Texas. Alabama has wins versus Ole Miss and Texas.
I agree with Kirk Herbstreit. TCU in the CFP.
Disclaimer: I admit that I am not objective. I strongly dislike the Alabama football program.
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TCU will get in. No question in my mind.
Quote: ksdjdjCollege Football Playoffs:
You guys may already know this, since you seem to be following it closer then me, but I found some interesting articles (see links below):
Link 1
Link 2
Link 3
Note: I haven't read link 3 all the way through yet, at the time of this post.
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What I find ironic is that in 2014 when TCU dropped from #3 to #6 it was Ohio State that jumped them. I don't see TCU falling below #4 but I would not be surprised if Ohio State jumped them to #3.. At the same time the committee may put the Buckeyes at #4 just so their first round matchup is not a repeat of their last game against Michigan.
BTW, in 2014 Ohio State was ranked #4 and won the championship by beating #1 Alabama and #2 Oregon.
a National Championship.
Looking forward to the new tournament, can't wait until they make it double elimination.
Quote: billryanIt looks like they will go to a 12-team playoff next year, so we will get to debate which three-loss team deserves to be in consideration of
a National Championship.
Looking forward to the new tournament, can't wait until they make it double elimination.
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I knew there would be someone who didn't understand that the 12-team playoff format is scheduled to start in the 2024-2025 -2 years from now.
February is a slow sports month, so I'd imagine the networks would love it.
We could return to our traditional New Years' Day bowls and have a month of bonus football.
Quote: billryanNCAA should do a 16-team playoff, starting the Saturday before of the Superbowl, and have the Championship game the weekend before March Madness.
February is a slow sports month, so I'd imagine the networks would love it.
We could return to our traditional New Years' Day bowls and have a month of bonus football.
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But wouldn't all of that practice interfere with their school work?
No matter how the playoff turns out this year no one will be able to convince me that Georgia isn't the best team.
Quote: DRichI am one of the few who like the 4 team playoff format. I don't remember a single year when I thought the best team in the country was not in the top 4.
No matter how the playoff turns out this year no one will be able to convince me that Georgia isn't the best team.
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The best team doesn't always win the title. The more teams you add to the mix, the chances of the best team winning diminish.
Quote: billryanQuote: DRichI am one of the few who like the 4 team playoff format. I don't remember a single year when I thought the best team in the country was not in the top 4.
No matter how the playoff turns out this year no one will be able to convince me that Georgia isn't the best team.
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The best team doesn't always win the title. The more teams you add to the mix, the chances of the best team winning diminish.
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Exactly! That is one reason I dislike the NCAA basketball tournament. People assume the winner is the best team.
Quote: DRichQuote: billryanQuote: DRichI am one of the few who like the 4 team playoff format. I don't remember a single year when I thought the best team in the country was not in the top 4.
No matter how the playoff turns out this year no one will be able to convince me that Georgia isn't the best team.
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The best team doesn't always win the title. The more teams you add to the mix, the chances of the best team winning diminish.
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Exactly! That is one reason I dislike the NCAA basketball tournament. People assume the winner is the best team.
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so - just to play the devil' advocate
if you believed Georgia was the best team and they lost to Michigan by a score of 35-14 in the title game -
would you still believe Georgia was the best team____________?
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Quote: billryanNCAA should do a 16-team playoff, starting the Saturday before of the Superbowl, and have the Championship game the weekend before March Madness.
February is a slow sports month, so I'd imagine the networks would love it.
We could return to our traditional New Years' Day bowls and have a month of bonus football.
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And a bunch of kids failing out because they are on the field not in class!
Junk the playoff and go the old way, let #1 and #2 play on NYD. People arguing at the bar buy more drinks, good for everyone.
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if you believed Georgia was the best team and they lost to Michigan by a score of 35-14 in the title game -
would you still believe Georgia was the best team____________?
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Absolutely. One game does not make a team better in my mind. I have watched seven Georgia games and six Michigan games this year and I believe Georgia is the better football team. I would expect Georgia to win close to 70% of the times they play Michigan.
Quote: DRichQuote: billryanQuote: DRichI am one of the few who like the 4 team playoff format. I don't remember a single year when I thought the best team in the country was not in the top 4.
No matter how the playoff turns out this year no one will be able to convince me that Georgia isn't the best team.
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The best team doesn't always win the title. The more teams you add to the mix, the chances of the best team winning diminish.
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Exactly! That is one reason I dislike the NCAA basketball tournament. People assume the winner is the best team.
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Why in God’s name would ‘people’ assuming the winner is the best team in ANY WAY cause YOU to dislike the NCAA basketball tournament?
I like it because it is fun to root for underdogs early in the tournament.
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Why in God’s name would ‘people’ assuming the winner is the best team in ANY WAY cause YOU to dislike the NCAA basketball tournament?
I like it because it is fun to root for underdogs early in the tournament.
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Don't get me wrong, I love the NCAA tournament basketball games. I usually take that Thursday and Friday off work to try and watch all of the games. I probably worded it improperly. I dislike the fact that most people consider the winner of the NCAA tournament the best team.
Quote: DRichQuote: SOOPOO
Why in God’s name would ‘people’ assuming the winner is the best team in ANY WAY cause YOU to dislike the NCAA basketball tournament?
I like it because it is fun to root for underdogs early in the tournament.
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Don't get me wrong, I love the NCAA tournament basketball games. I usually take that Thursday and Friday off work to try and watch all of the games. I probably worded it improperly. I dislike the fact that most people consider the winner of the NCAA tournament the best team.
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Gotcha…. Me and some friends meet every first Thi/Fri at bar with 4 TVs we can see with each of the 4 games playing. Some stay noon til midnight each day! I’ll come for 4-6 hours or so depending on other life stuff.
These guys now have FOUR kids who are NCAA basketball coaches. Unless I’ve lost track they are at Stanford, Xavier, and Florida (and a small school, (NY Maritime). So if any of those schools are playing the group will be short handed!
I wonder what the behind the scenes stuff is.
Seems he’s probably at the equivalent point of what happens to some great basketball players late in their career where they’re just not that guy anymore and could be an effective role player, but may be unwilling to accept it. Maybe he ends up doing the NBA equivalent of going to China at the end of his career and comes over to the US to play in the MLS.
Quote: billryanAre they benching him or will they put him in as a late sub figuring a fresh Ronaldo beats the defense late in the game?
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He was put in as a sub after Portugal was ahead 4-0. I think Ronaldo was considered ‘lazy’ during the first 3 games and this was a soccer decision by the manager. I doubt we will ever know for sure why or what happened.
Quote: mcallister3200Manchester United, and perhaps the entire EPL, also made the decision they’re better off without him.
Seems he’s probably at the equivalent point of what happens to some great basketball players late in their career where they’re just not that guy anymore and could be an effective role player, but may be unwilling to accept it. Maybe he ends up doing the NBA equivalent of going to China at the end of his career and comes over to the US to play in the MLS.
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He has been offered over $100,000,000 a year to play for a Saudi team. He hasn’t announced if he’s going or not.
Quote: mcallister3200Manchester United, and perhaps the entire EPL, also made the decision they’re better off without him.
Seems he’s probably at the equivalent point of what happens to some great basketball players late in their career where they’re just not that guy anymore and could be an effective role player, but may be unwilling to accept it. Maybe he ends up doing the NBA equivalent of going to China at the end of his career and comes over to the US to play in the MLS.
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I don't follow soccer at all, but a few guys I was with were discussing his leaving ManU and one thought the club was done with him, but the other said Ronaldo had bought his way out to pursue a final contract elsewhere.
FWIW, the two 'sports bars" around here showed the US games, as did The Legion, but aren't showing anymore.
