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I know Augusta National is known for making their azaleas bloom whenever they choose. This year will be a challenge!Quote: SOOPOOMasters in November!
with all major sports cancelled sports broadcasters are commentating on alternative forms of competition..............{(-:)
esports - meaning video games
or Russian table tennis or Japanese sumo wrestling
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
think I'll pass
https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/esports/2020/04/17/vegas-esports-betting/
Quote: lilredroosteryou can still bet on sports in Vegas and probably elsewhere
esports - meaning video games
or Russian table tennis or Japanese sumo wrestling
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
think I'll pass
I have heard you can bet on virtual camel races from the middle ease. And other "virtual" sports in various places. Good grief just go play a slot!
That dog bone commentary is either really funny or else I've gone entirely bonkers.Quote: lilredroosterone minute long
with all major sports cancelled sports broadcasters are commentating on alternative forms of competition.......
Perhaps both.
I think back to earlier American society and think of the very high impact gambling had. Even at Pearl Harbor that quick-thinking bugler who did not want to blow the normal 8:00am call and indicate a false state of normalcy decided to blow "Parade to the Post" because he knew everyone on the base listened to the horse races being called on the radio networks.
Well, often slot machines with their fake "horse" races might just as well depict fake camels. The nearest slots are about a mile or so from me, but the nearest camel race is on my Chrome Book.Quote: AZDuffmanI have heard you can bet on virtual camel races from the middle ease. And other "virtual" sports in various places. Good grief just go play a slot!
Quote: FleaStiffWell, often slot machines with their fake "horse" races might just as well depict fake camels. The nearest slots are about a mile or so from me, but the nearest camel race is on my Chrome Book.
I get the idea of camel races. Why not in the desert? But virtual camel races? I'd sooner bet on NFL Exhibition games.
Quote: AZDuffmanI get the idea of camel races. Why not in the desert? But virtual camel races? I'd sooner bet on NFL Exhibition games.
Actually good value can be found in NFL exhibition games. The games are terrible to watch but present many favorable betting opportunities.
Quote: DRichActually good value can be found in NFL exhibition games. The games are terrible to watch but present many favorable betting opportunities.
I have heard. On a similar note I was going to bet the over on the Pro Bowl this past year, smelling a bad number. Should have.
IMHO the value on exhibition games is look for a team with a QB derby or otherwise rebuilding going against an established good team the later who will sit the starters earlier.
Quote: AZDuffman
IMHO the value on exhibition games is look for a team with a QB derby or otherwise rebuilding going against an established good team the later who will sit the starters earlier.
What would possibly make you think that the line does not reflect this?
Quote: SOOPOOWhat would possibly make you think that the line does not reflect this?
It might or might not, like any other game you have to do your handicapping.
Another thing is some coaches actually care more about winning exhibition games, others strictly use them to try out players and plays.
Quote: TomGBeen able to bet on esports and Belarus soccer, limits seem to be all over the place, seen $100, $300, and $500 at different times. Been some golf, Cactus Tour continues tomorrow. I think William Hill might have some more offerings, but account was banned there. Going to have more on the NFL draft than any event since the Super Bowl.
My book has been offering odds on professional dart throwing matches. Tough to handicap. Cant find much info on the guys playing.
Quote: TomGBeen able to bet on esports and Belarus soccer, limits seem to be all over the place, seen $100, $300, and $500 at different times. Been some golf, Cactus Tour continues tomorrow. I think William Hill might have some more offerings, but account was banned there. Going to have more on the NFL draft than any event since the Super Bowl.
I'm sort of surprised they take bets on the NFL draft. There's got to be a girlfriend of some mid level Bengals guy who blurted out 'trade down for Tua' or something like that, and she told her gambler brother........
Can you make a bet on the 'locks' at any odds? Can I put $100,000 on Chase Young being the second pick in the draft?
Quote: SOOPOOI'm sort of surprised they take bets on the NFL draft. There's got to be a girlfriend of some mid level Bengals guy who blurted out 'trade down for Tua' or something like that, and she told her gambler brother........
Can you make a bet on the 'locks' at any odds? Can I put $100,000 on Chase Young being the second pick in the draft?
I wouldn't be surprised if limits are at or below $1000.
Quote: SOOPOOI'm sort of surprised they take bets on the NFL draft. There's got to be a girlfriend of some mid level Bengals guy who blurted out 'trade down for Tua' or something like that, and she told her gambler brother........
Can you make a bet on the 'locks' at any odds? Can I put $100,000 on Chase Young being the second pick in the draft?
Shortest odds I see on the site available to me is Total RBs in first round under -1.5 -1000.
The Tua bet I see is draft position 3.5 with the over being -310 and the under +240.
So big vigs and also as DRich said smallish max bets.
Quote: SOOPOOI'm sort of surprised they take bets on the NFL draft. There's got to be a girlfriend of some mid level Bengals guy who blurted out 'trade down for Tua' or something like that, and she told her gambler brother........
Can you make a bet on the 'locks' at any odds? Can I put $100,000 on Chase Young being the second pick in the draft?
Even the guys at the very top of the organization don't have complete control over the draft process, inside information coming from mid-level is pretty worthless and probably a great way to get crushed.
Under normal conditions should be able to get a lot down. Right now that might be tough. Limits seem to be mostly at $500, very few places to bet and only on accounts. Can't believe there are really any. Chase Young is about as likely to go #2 as Rickey Williams that year Ditka was willing to trade his entire draft for him. Found some great bets earlier in the process, Young under 2.5 -385 and Tua over 3.5 -120, didn't even bet close to the max, because no way to deposit any money. Think Young is to win $50 and Tua $100; Chiefs to pick defensive player first is the other "big" bet I made.
Quote: FleaStiffThat dog bone commentary is either really funny or else I've gone entirely bonkers.
here you go:
Well some people bet on a horse because they like the jockey's color scheme, so how much do you really have to learn about a dart?Quote: michael99000My book has been offering odds on professional dart throwing matches. Tough to handicap. Cant find much info on the guys playing.
Quote: TomGKorean baseball starts tonight, which is actually tomorrow: Giants over 8.5 ev, Wyverns -180 and under 8 ev, Bears -135, Tigers under 8
Since ESPN doesn't have any live sports now I wish they would pick up some of these foreign games just so I have something to watch.
Quote: DRichSince ESPN doesn't have any live sports now I wish they would pick up some of these foreign games just so I have something to watch.
Running UFC this Saturday.
Quote: DRichSince ESPN doesn't have any live sports now I wish they would pick up some of these foreign games just so I have something to watch.
I thought ESPN was televising it last night
Quote: DRichSince ESPN doesn't have any live sports now I wish they would pick up some of these foreign games just so I have something to watch.
The Korean baseball is on ESPN. Are you telling me you haven't been streaming Belarus soccer games?
Quote: billryanIsn't it strange that pro wrestling is an essential business and is allowed to operate, but baseball isn't?
The executive order that allows WWE and AEW to keep filming absolutely allows any other sports league to do the same. They all closed down voluntarily.
https://www.flgov.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Essential-Services-Additions-EO-20-91.pdf
Quote: TomGKorean baseball starts tonight, which is actually tomorrow: Giants over 8.5 ev, Wyverns -180 and under 8 ev, Bears -135, Tigers under 8
What is your take on the game? Have you done any research on the teams?
Quote: WatchMeWinWhat is your take on the game? Have you done any research on the teams?
Betting on it seems to be exactly the same as any other market: best available, correlated parlays
For tonight: Dinos -130 and -135, Giants over 9.5, Eagles +160
the National Collegiate Basketball Hall of Fame
I didn't even know it existed - I just lucked out and happened to read something about it
I was so very happy to learn that DC native Austin Carr was inducted in 2007 and finally got some of the recognition he so deserves
I saw him play in H.S. and played playground basketball with him
what a great, great player he was
their website really sucks - wiki has more info
https://collegebasketballexperience.com/hall-of-fame/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Collegiate_Basketball_Hall_of_Fame
this is a vid of Austin's record that still stands
61 points in an NCAA tournament game - absolutely fantastic - he also had 50 + as Notre Dame beat Adolph Rupp's all white Kentucky team
Austin Carr was a great player, both for the Fighting Irish and the early Clevland Cav teams. It's long forgotten now, but that team was one of the first publicly traded teams in pro sports and for Christmas 1972, I got a share of their stock in my stocking. How many people can honestly say they were a part-owner of an NBA team these days?
Quote: lilredroosterreally amazing (to me)
the National Collegiate Basketball Hall of Fame
I didn't even know it existed - I just lucked out and happened to read something about it
I was so very happy to learn that DC native Austin Carr was inducted in 2007 and finally got some of the recognition he so deserves
I saw him play in H.S. and played playground basketball with him
what a great, great player he was
their website really sucks - wiki has more info
https://collegebasketballexperience.com/hall-of-fame/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Collegiate_Basketball_Hall_of_Fame
this is a vid of Austin's record that still stands
61 points in an NCAA tournament game - absolutely fantastic - he also had 50 + as Notre Dame beat Adolph Rupp's all white Kentucky team
Is the guy on the bottom right wearing volleyball kneepads????
Quote: TomGBetting on it seems to be exactly the same as any other market: best available, correlated parlays
For tonight: Dinos -130 and -135, Giants over 9.5, Eagles +160
Okay, I'm not going to leap to conclusions here, but allow me to ask. What exactly is a "correlated parlay" in your mind and why do you think it's a good thing?
I'm asking because I'll be doing a comedic thread on this idea. I find it very curious that some members of this forum, which ostensibly is populated by people who semi-know what they are doing, use something called a "parlay calculator." Using a "parlay calculator" outside of very narrow, like 1 in 1000, conditions is blatantly flat-out bad gambling.
Now I don't want to step on recreational toes here. If people want to play 6/5 JoB, more power to them. But if the phrasing were "Do the usual. Look for some of that there 6/5 JoB," then I'd be hoping the person gambling was a 1-cent bettor who didn't want to give their money to charity and not someone betting serious cash.
So what is the deal with "correlated parlays" as a good thing?
Korean line-scores are a little different, but it still provides the similar effect on expected value.
Curious to see what comedy you can find in this. The more obscure a topic gets, the harder it gets to find good comedy. Sex, drugs, poop, politics are as wide-ranging as possible and seem to be the usual targets. This topic seems to be about as arcane as possible.
Quote: redietz
I'm asking because I'll be doing a comedic thread on this idea.
the idea that you find comical comes from a guy (Tom G) who is well known here and makes his living, or at least part of his living betting sports
pretty amazing that you've been betting sports or touting for 40 years and don't know what a correlated parlay is
when the extreme exotics came to horse racing - double triple, superfecta, Pick 6, etc. some of the older players laughed at the bets and called them ridiculous
they called players making those bets idiots
then some well known horseplayers hit for some big scores - $500K, $300K, $700K, a million, etc.............................
they're not laughing any more
Okay, TomG's explanation for baseball is above. They are pretty much extinct in Las Vegas, aren't they? No argument on the baseball front from me. I don't know enough about baseball to have any sense of how it would have done the last couple of years with the skewed totals. Well, that's an exaggeration. I don't know anything much about baseball, period. But idea was SOP years ago (as in decades) for some people.
I don't think this currently works for any other sport, by the way.
Quote: redietzWell, then, I'm sure you'll be happy to enlighten me. Try to keep it in sixth-grade terms so I don't get lost.
no, I can't enlighten you
I don't answer questions from you
but you may have heard of this little thing called Google
Quote: billryanI had no idea this place existed, and I'm not really sure why it exists. The Basketball Hall of Fame already covers the NCAA and this strikes me as redundant but if I ever found myself in KC, I'd be glad for the distraction.
Austin Carr was a great player, both for the Fighting Irish and the early Clevland Cav teams. It's long forgotten now, but that team was one of the first publicly traded teams in pro sports and for Christmas 1972, I got a share of their stock in my stocking. How many people can honestly say they were a part-owner of an NBA team these days?
I watched the game above live. I used to do the "Basket by Austin Carrrrrrrrr!" announcing when I'd hit a bomb playing pickup.
Quote: billryanIt's about recognizing and exploiting market inefficiencies. It shouldn't matter what sport you are betting.
Well, I'd have to hear about "market inefficiencies" to know what you're talking about. And really, do you know how many folks have tried to transpose market jargon onto sports betting? It's 99% junk lingo, unless you want to talk arbitrage instead of "middling." One of the pioneers of transposing market talk to sports was Fezzik, who had unprecedented contest success. Unfortunately, he did not have unprecedented betting success.
That's one reason why that phrase in the post above, "It shouldn't matter what sport you are betting" is a nails-on-chalkboard thing. God forbid, don't ever say that out loud, even to yourself. It is how the mighty have fallen time after time after time.
The number of people and teams of people who actually win long term sports betting in this country can be measured in the dozens.
1) Bill, when I said that I watched the Austin Carr game live, I meant on live television, not that I was there.
2) TomG, so am I to take it that you use the term "correlative parlay" because you're plugging in multiple games for some reason? If not, the old "same game parlay" moniker seems like a simpler label, and it doesn't tip off what you're doing.
3) One of my partners said that maybe 30 years ago, NFL Overs and Favorites were both popular and did okay as a parlay option.
Quote: billryanIt's about recognizing and exploiting market inefficiencies. It shouldn't matter what sport you are betting.
I have always thought a much better way to look at it is exploiting market efficiencies.
Quote: redietz2) TomG, so am I to take it that you use the term "correlative parlay" because you're plugging in multiple games for some reason? If not, the old "same game parlay" moniker seems like a simpler label, and it doesn't tip off what you're doing.
Not sure what you're asking exactly. Best example I've heard would be betting on it snowing in Baltimore on Christmas and parlaying that with it snowing in Washington DC. Seems obvious that if one of those happens, it is much more likely the other one will happen. Baseball home/under, road/over are pretty weak, but very easy to find. Other sports have some that are much stronger.
Quote: redietz3) One of my partners said that maybe 30 years ago, NFL Overs and Favorites were both popular and did okay as a parlay option.
Used to be college was much better for this than NFL, but hard to find places that take them anymore. First half is much stronger than full game, especially on certain numbers.
Quote: TomG
Used to be college was much better for this than NFL, but hard to find places that take them anymore. First half is much stronger than full game, especially on certain numbers.
Hard to find a place lets you parlay an NFL win and over/under? I do it all the time.
Quote: AZDuffmanHard to find a place lets you parlay an NFL win and over/under? I do it all the time.
College. When the spread is large.
Even in the NFL they didn’t take it on some of the games that were more than 2 TD favs.
