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April 6th, 2020 at 4:47:22 PM permalink
Masters in November! Imagine how crowded sports may be September, October, November if we get back to 'normal'?
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April 6th, 2020 at 5:10:50 PM permalink
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Masters in November!

I know Augusta National is known for making their azaleas bloom whenever they choose. This year will be a challenge!
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April 13th, 2020 at 4:11:11 AM permalink
one minute long



with all major sports cancelled sports broadcasters are commentating on alternative forms of competition..............{(-:)


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April 19th, 2020 at 2:39:16 AM permalink
you can still bet on sports in Vegas and probably elsewhere

esports - meaning video games

or Russian table tennis or Japanese sumo wrestling


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


think I'll pass




https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/esports/2020/04/17/vegas-esports-betting/
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April 19th, 2020 at 4:14:45 AM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

you can still bet on sports in Vegas and probably elsewhere

esports - meaning video games

or Russian table tennis or Japanese sumo wrestling


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


think I'll pass



I have heard you can bet on virtual camel races from the middle ease. And other "virtual" sports in various places. Good grief just go play a slot!
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April 19th, 2020 at 6:04:00 AM permalink
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one minute long
with all major sports cancelled sports broadcasters are commentating on alternative forms of competition.......

That dog bone commentary is either really funny or else I've gone entirely bonkers.
Perhaps both.

I think back to earlier American society and think of the very high impact gambling had. Even at Pearl Harbor that quick-thinking bugler who did not want to blow the normal 8:00am call and indicate a false state of normalcy decided to blow "Parade to the Post" because he knew everyone on the base listened to the horse races being called on the radio networks.
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April 19th, 2020 at 6:29:48 AM permalink
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I have heard you can bet on virtual camel races from the middle ease. And other "virtual" sports in various places. Good grief just go play a slot!

Well, often slot machines with their fake "horse" races might just as well depict fake camels. The nearest slots are about a mile or so from me, but the nearest camel race is on my Chrome Book.
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April 19th, 2020 at 7:57:44 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Well, often slot machines with their fake "horse" races might just as well depict fake camels. The nearest slots are about a mile or so from me, but the nearest camel race is on my Chrome Book.



I get the idea of camel races. Why not in the desert? But virtual camel races? I'd sooner bet on NFL Exhibition games.
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April 19th, 2020 at 9:22:15 AM permalink
I'm now a Bubba Wallace fan. He is an African-American NASCAR driver. His public response to Kyle Larson using the "N" word was refreshing. Condemned him for using it, but will be able to forgive him. Did not speak without thinking first. Kudos to Bubba.
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April 19th, 2020 at 10:27:36 AM permalink
Funny thing about those fixed fake horse races. Even if people know its just as fixed as a slot machine, people would rather have the same amount of money buy some suspense!
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April 19th, 2020 at 11:43:53 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

I get the idea of camel races. Why not in the desert? But virtual camel races? I'd sooner bet on NFL Exhibition games.



Actually good value can be found in NFL exhibition games. The games are terrible to watch but present many favorable betting opportunities.
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April 19th, 2020 at 1:37:51 PM permalink
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Actually good value can be found in NFL exhibition games. The games are terrible to watch but present many favorable betting opportunities.



I have heard. On a similar note I was going to bet the over on the Pro Bowl this past year, smelling a bad number. Should have.

IMHO the value on exhibition games is look for a team with a QB derby or otherwise rebuilding going against an established good team the later who will sit the starters earlier.
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April 19th, 2020 at 2:41:05 PM permalink
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IMHO the value on exhibition games is look for a team with a QB derby or otherwise rebuilding going against an established good team the later who will sit the starters earlier.



What would possibly make you think that the line does not reflect this?
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April 19th, 2020 at 4:03:20 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

What would possibly make you think that the line does not reflect this?



It might or might not, like any other game you have to do your handicapping.

Another thing is some coaches actually care more about winning exhibition games, others strictly use them to try out players and plays.
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April 19th, 2020 at 7:38:29 PM permalink
Been able to bet on esports and Belarus soccer, limits seem to be all over the place, seen $100, $300, and $500 at different times. Been some golf, Cactus Tour continues tomorrow. I think William Hill might have some more offerings, but account was banned there. Going to have more on the NFL draft than any event since the Super Bowl.
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April 19th, 2020 at 11:04:01 PM permalink
Quote: TomG

Been able to bet on esports and Belarus soccer, limits seem to be all over the place, seen $100, $300, and $500 at different times. Been some golf, Cactus Tour continues tomorrow. I think William Hill might have some more offerings, but account was banned there. Going to have more on the NFL draft than any event since the Super Bowl.



My book has been offering odds on professional dart throwing matches. Tough to handicap. Cant find much info on the guys playing.
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April 20th, 2020 at 6:28:33 AM permalink
Quote: TomG

Been able to bet on esports and Belarus soccer, limits seem to be all over the place, seen $100, $300, and $500 at different times. Been some golf, Cactus Tour continues tomorrow. I think William Hill might have some more offerings, but account was banned there. Going to have more on the NFL draft than any event since the Super Bowl.



I'm sort of surprised they take bets on the NFL draft. There's got to be a girlfriend of some mid level Bengals guy who blurted out 'trade down for Tua' or something like that, and she told her gambler brother........

Can you make a bet on the 'locks' at any odds? Can I put $100,000 on Chase Young being the second pick in the draft?
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April 20th, 2020 at 6:42:20 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

I'm sort of surprised they take bets on the NFL draft. There's got to be a girlfriend of some mid level Bengals guy who blurted out 'trade down for Tua' or something like that, and she told her gambler brother........

Can you make a bet on the 'locks' at any odds? Can I put $100,000 on Chase Young being the second pick in the draft?



I wouldn't be surprised if limits are at or below $1000.
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April 20th, 2020 at 7:26:19 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

I'm sort of surprised they take bets on the NFL draft. There's got to be a girlfriend of some mid level Bengals guy who blurted out 'trade down for Tua' or something like that, and she told her gambler brother........

Can you make a bet on the 'locks' at any odds? Can I put $100,000 on Chase Young being the second pick in the draft?



Shortest odds I see on the site available to me is Total RBs in first round under -1.5 -1000.

The Tua bet I see is draft position 3.5 with the over being -310 and the under +240.

So big vigs and also as DRich said smallish max bets.
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April 20th, 2020 at 8:21:30 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

I'm sort of surprised they take bets on the NFL draft. There's got to be a girlfriend of some mid level Bengals guy who blurted out 'trade down for Tua' or something like that, and she told her gambler brother........

Can you make a bet on the 'locks' at any odds? Can I put $100,000 on Chase Young being the second pick in the draft?



Even the guys at the very top of the organization don't have complete control over the draft process, inside information coming from mid-level is pretty worthless and probably a great way to get crushed.

Under normal conditions should be able to get a lot down. Right now that might be tough. Limits seem to be mostly at $500, very few places to bet and only on accounts. Can't believe there are really any. Chase Young is about as likely to go #2 as Rickey Williams that year Ditka was willing to trade his entire draft for him. Found some great bets earlier in the process, Young under 2.5 -385 and Tua over 3.5 -120, didn't even bet close to the max, because no way to deposit any money. Think Young is to win $50 and Tua $100; Chiefs to pick defensive player first is the other "big" bet I made.
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April 20th, 2020 at 10:42:13 AM permalink
I wish I could bet that the Giants draft will be a total bust.
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April 20th, 2020 at 10:52:46 AM permalink
There used to be a site that you could essentially own a stock in a player and then trade their "value" throughout their career. Not sure what the name was or if it is still up.
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April 22nd, 2020 at 1:30:09 PM permalink
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That dog bone commentary is either really funny or else I've gone entirely bonkers.




here you go:


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April 22nd, 2020 at 5:02:57 PM permalink
Quote: michael99000

My book has been offering odds on professional dart throwing matches. Tough to handicap. Cant find much info on the guys playing.

Well some people bet on a horse because they like the jockey's color scheme, so how much do you really have to learn about a dart?
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May 4th, 2020 at 9:11:07 PM permalink
Korean baseball starts tonight, which is actually tomorrow: Giants over 8.5 ev, Wyverns -180 and under 8 ev, Bears -135, Tigers under 8
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May 5th, 2020 at 6:42:05 AM permalink
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Korean baseball starts tonight, which is actually tomorrow: Giants over 8.5 ev, Wyverns -180 and under 8 ev, Bears -135, Tigers under 8



Since ESPN doesn't have any live sports now I wish they would pick up some of these foreign games just so I have something to watch.
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May 5th, 2020 at 7:16:03 AM permalink
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Since ESPN doesn't have any live sports now I wish they would pick up some of these foreign games just so I have something to watch.



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May 5th, 2020 at 7:44:10 AM permalink
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Since ESPN doesn't have any live sports now I wish they would pick up some of these foreign games just so I have something to watch.



I thought ESPN was televising it last night
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May 5th, 2020 at 8:24:31 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

Since ESPN doesn't have any live sports now I wish they would pick up some of these foreign games just so I have something to watch.



The Korean baseball is on ESPN. Are you telling me you haven't been streaming Belarus soccer games?
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May 5th, 2020 at 11:45:25 AM permalink
Isn't it strange that pro wrestling is an essential business and is allowed to operate, but baseball isn't?
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May 5th, 2020 at 12:22:57 PM permalink
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Isn't it strange that pro wrestling is an essential business and is allowed to operate, but baseball isn't?



The executive order that allows WWE and AEW to keep filming absolutely allows any other sports league to do the same. They all closed down voluntarily.

https://www.flgov.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Essential-Services-Additions-EO-20-91.pdf
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May 5th, 2020 at 12:45:55 PM permalink
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Korean baseball starts tonight, which is actually tomorrow: Giants over 8.5 ev, Wyverns -180 and under 8 ev, Bears -135, Tigers under 8



What is your take on the game? Have you done any research on the teams?
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May 5th, 2020 at 2:39:01 PM permalink
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What is your take on the game? Have you done any research on the teams?



Betting on it seems to be exactly the same as any other market: best available, correlated parlays

For tonight: Dinos -130 and -135, Giants over 9.5, Eagles +160
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May 8th, 2020 at 4:28:55 AM permalink
really amazing (to me)
the National Collegiate Basketball Hall of Fame
I didn't even know it existed - I just lucked out and happened to read something about it

I was so very happy to learn that DC native Austin Carr was inducted in 2007 and finally got some of the recognition he so deserves
I saw him play in H.S. and played playground basketball with him

what a great, great player he was

their website really sucks - wiki has more info


https://collegebasketballexperience.com/hall-of-fame/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Collegiate_Basketball_Hall_of_Fame


this is a vid of Austin's record that still stands
61 points in an NCAA tournament game - absolutely fantastic - he also had 50 + as Notre Dame beat Adolph Rupp's all white Kentucky team


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May 8th, 2020 at 9:00:07 AM permalink
I had no idea this place existed, and I'm not really sure why it exists. The Basketball Hall of Fame already covers the NCAA and this strikes me as redundant but if I ever found myself in KC, I'd be glad for the distraction.
Austin Carr was a great player, both for the Fighting Irish and the early Clevland Cav teams. It's long forgotten now, but that team was one of the first publicly traded teams in pro sports and for Christmas 1972, I got a share of their stock in my stocking. How many people can honestly say they were a part-owner of an NBA team these days?
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May 8th, 2020 at 9:08:18 AM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

really amazing (to me)
the National Collegiate Basketball Hall of Fame
I didn't even know it existed - I just lucked out and happened to read something about it

I was so very happy to learn that DC native Austin Carr was inducted in 2007 and finally got some of the recognition he so deserves
I saw him play in H.S. and played playground basketball with him

what a great, great player he was

their website really sucks - wiki has more info


https://collegebasketballexperience.com/hall-of-fame/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Collegiate_Basketball_Hall_of_Fame


this is a vid of Austin's record that still stands
61 points in an NCAA tournament game - absolutely fantastic - he also had 50 + as Notre Dame beat Adolph Rupp's all white Kentucky team




Is the guy on the bottom right wearing volleyball kneepads????
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May 8th, 2020 at 9:32:33 AM permalink
Quote: TomG

Betting on it seems to be exactly the same as any other market: best available, correlated parlays

For tonight: Dinos -130 and -135, Giants over 9.5, Eagles +160



Okay, I'm not going to leap to conclusions here, but allow me to ask. What exactly is a "correlated parlay" in your mind and why do you think it's a good thing?

I'm asking because I'll be doing a comedic thread on this idea. I find it very curious that some members of this forum, which ostensibly is populated by people who semi-know what they are doing, use something called a "parlay calculator." Using a "parlay calculator" outside of very narrow, like 1 in 1000, conditions is blatantly flat-out bad gambling.

Now I don't want to step on recreational toes here. If people want to play 6/5 JoB, more power to them. But if the phrasing were "Do the usual. Look for some of that there 6/5 JoB," then I'd be hoping the person gambling was a 1-cent bettor who didn't want to give their money to charity and not someone betting serious cash.

So what is the deal with "correlated parlays" as a good thing?
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May 8th, 2020 at 10:41:20 AM permalink
In MLB, home and under; and road and over. If the home team wins, it is very likely they will not bat in the bottom of the ninth and the teams will only have 51 outs to score runs instead of 54. Slightly stronger on bigger dogs, as they are expected to lose and the expected number of outs *should* be built into the total. Also slightly stronger on higher totals, as outs are more valuable when scoring goes up. The overall effect is fairly small, but with 10-cent lines, only need small effects to make profits. I used to be able to bet run-line and totals in Las Vegas, if anyone knows of any place still taking them I am all ears.

Korean line-scores are a little different, but it still provides the similar effect on expected value.

Curious to see what comedy you can find in this. The more obscure a topic gets, the harder it gets to find good comedy. Sex, drugs, poop, politics are as wide-ranging as possible and seem to be the usual targets. This topic seems to be about as arcane as possible.
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May 8th, 2020 at 11:04:28 AM permalink
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I'm asking because I'll be doing a comedic thread on this idea.




the idea that you find comical comes from a guy (Tom G) who is well known here and makes his living, or at least part of his living betting sports

pretty amazing that you've been betting sports or touting for 40 years and don't know what a correlated parlay is




when the extreme exotics came to horse racing - double triple, superfecta, Pick 6, etc. some of the older players laughed at the bets and called them ridiculous

they called players making those bets idiots

then some well known horseplayers hit for some big scores - $500K, $300K, $700K, a million, etc.............................

they're not laughing any more
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May 8th, 2020 at 12:59:19 PM permalink
Well, then, I'm sure you'll be happy to enlighten me. Try to keep it in sixth-grade terms so I don't get lost.

Okay, TomG's explanation for baseball is above. They are pretty much extinct in Las Vegas, aren't they? No argument on the baseball front from me. I don't know enough about baseball to have any sense of how it would have done the last couple of years with the skewed totals. Well, that's an exaggeration. I don't know anything much about baseball, period. But idea was SOP years ago (as in decades) for some people.

I don't think this currently works for any other sport, by the way.
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May 8th, 2020 at 1:07:41 PM permalink
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Well, then, I'm sure you'll be happy to enlighten me. Try to keep it in sixth-grade terms so I don't get lost.




no, I can't enlighten you
I don't answer questions from you
but you may have heard of this little thing called Google
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May 8th, 2020 at 1:07:59 PM permalink
It's about recognizing and exploiting market inefficiencies. It shouldn't matter what sport you are betting.
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May 8th, 2020 at 1:10:51 PM permalink
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I had no idea this place existed, and I'm not really sure why it exists. The Basketball Hall of Fame already covers the NCAA and this strikes me as redundant but if I ever found myself in KC, I'd be glad for the distraction.
Austin Carr was a great player, both for the Fighting Irish and the early Clevland Cav teams. It's long forgotten now, but that team was one of the first publicly traded teams in pro sports and for Christmas 1972, I got a share of their stock in my stocking. How many people can honestly say they were a part-owner of an NBA team these days?



I watched the game above live. I used to do the "Basket by Austin Carrrrrrrrr!" announcing when I'd hit a bomb playing pickup.
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May 8th, 2020 at 1:12:47 PM permalink
I watched the Lions vs Tigers game this morning at 3am. It was kind of interesting that six pitchers combined for a shutout.
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May 8th, 2020 at 1:22:04 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

It's about recognizing and exploiting market inefficiencies. It shouldn't matter what sport you are betting.



Well, I'd have to hear about "market inefficiencies" to know what you're talking about. And really, do you know how many folks have tried to transpose market jargon onto sports betting? It's 99% junk lingo, unless you want to talk arbitrage instead of "middling." One of the pioneers of transposing market talk to sports was Fezzik, who had unprecedented contest success. Unfortunately, he did not have unprecedented betting success.

That's one reason why that phrase in the post above, "It shouldn't matter what sport you are betting" is a nails-on-chalkboard thing. God forbid, don't ever say that out loud, even to yourself. It is how the mighty have fallen time after time after time.

The number of people and teams of people who actually win long term sports betting in this country can be measured in the dozens.
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May 8th, 2020 at 2:13:37 PM permalink
Couple of things:

1) Bill, when I said that I watched the Austin Carr game live, I meant on live television, not that I was there.

2) TomG, so am I to take it that you use the term "correlative parlay" because you're plugging in multiple games for some reason? If not, the old "same game parlay" moniker seems like a simpler label, and it doesn't tip off what you're doing.

3) One of my partners said that maybe 30 years ago, NFL Overs and Favorites were both popular and did okay as a parlay option.
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May 8th, 2020 at 2:59:57 PM permalink
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It's about recognizing and exploiting market inefficiencies. It shouldn't matter what sport you are betting.



I have always thought a much better way to look at it is exploiting market efficiencies.
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May 8th, 2020 at 3:06:02 PM permalink
Quote: redietz

2) TomG, so am I to take it that you use the term "correlative parlay" because you're plugging in multiple games for some reason? If not, the old "same game parlay" moniker seems like a simpler label, and it doesn't tip off what you're doing.



Not sure what you're asking exactly. Best example I've heard would be betting on it snowing in Baltimore on Christmas and parlaying that with it snowing in Washington DC. Seems obvious that if one of those happens, it is much more likely the other one will happen. Baseball home/under, road/over are pretty weak, but very easy to find. Other sports have some that are much stronger.

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3) One of my partners said that maybe 30 years ago, NFL Overs and Favorites were both popular and did okay as a parlay option.



Used to be college was much better for this than NFL, but hard to find places that take them anymore. First half is much stronger than full game, especially on certain numbers.
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May 9th, 2020 at 4:11:08 AM permalink
Quote: TomG




Used to be college was much better for this than NFL, but hard to find places that take them anymore. First half is much stronger than full game, especially on certain numbers.



Hard to find a place lets you parlay an NFL win and over/under? I do it all the time.
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May 9th, 2020 at 6:29:41 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Hard to find a place lets you parlay an NFL win and over/under? I do it all the time.



College. When the spread is large.

Even in the NFL they didnít take it on some of the games that were more than 2 TD favs.
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