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June 4th, 2014 at 5:53:06 PM permalink
Here are the draws and ML prices.

1. Medal Count Albarado 20-1
2. California Chrome Espinoza 3-5
3. Matterhorn Bravo 30-1
4. Commanding Curve Bridgmohan 15-1
5. Ride On Curlin Velazquez 12-1
6. Matuszak Smith 30-1
7. Samraat Ortiz 20-1
8. Commissioner Castellano 20-1
9. Wicked Strong Maragh 6-1
10. General a Rod Napravnik 20-1
11. Tonalist Rosario 8-1

3-5 a bit short for me but seeing the opposition, I really hope he does it. I think we need a hero and he fits the bill nicely.
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June 4th, 2014 at 6:24:22 PM permalink
I have to study the past performance before making any selection. Any help please????
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June 4th, 2014 at 7:15:03 PM permalink
http://www.drf.com/blogs/jack-milton-ace-hole

there is a link there, called HGbelmont
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June 4th, 2014 at 7:35:27 PM permalink
http://www.drf.com/sites/default/files/HGBELMONT_1.pdf
get second you pig
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June 4th, 2014 at 7:48:01 PM permalink
i got the contenders as 2/5/11 with the 1
get second you pig
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June 4th, 2014 at 8:04:11 PM permalink
My pick is Tri 2-5-4,9. Ex 2-5,4. Super 2-5-4,9-4,9,10.
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June 4th, 2014 at 8:07:43 PM permalink
Word is Tonalist is to not be overlooked.
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June 4th, 2014 at 8:15:31 PM permalink
In my mind it's a 2 horse race - Chrome and Strong.

I'll be rooting for Chrome.

I'm in two contests that day and Chrome and Strong are not really playable. So I'll use Medal Count in the one that locks picks and Tonalist if I have a chance to cash in the other one.
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June 6th, 2014 at 4:40:37 PM permalink
If I bet tonalist win place and show, will I win anything overall(net)if he comes in second or third?
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June 6th, 2014 at 5:18:47 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

If I bet tonalist win place and show, will I win anything overall if he comes in second or third?



Second, yes. Third, no.

I'm going to box Commanding Curve and Wicked strong for the exacta. Might make a show bet with Medal Count.
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June 6th, 2014 at 6:40:47 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

If I bet tonalist win place and show, will I win anything overall(net)if he comes in second or third?



If Chrome finishes out of the money you might make money if Tonalist shows...
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June 6th, 2014 at 6:45:18 PM permalink
I'm on Commissioner at a price. Think he is one of the few bred to run all day long.
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June 6th, 2014 at 8:00:52 PM permalink
I'm not at all surprised that CC might go off at 3-5. I wouldn't bet CC because I hate betting odds-on favorites but I do think CC *should* win the race. The problem with horse racing is that they actually have to run the race and plenty of things can happen especially at this distance.

I'd love to see a Triple Crown Winner after all these years and I'll definitely be watching the race. Maybe I'll even place a few bets.
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June 6th, 2014 at 9:43:30 PM permalink
.20 cent supers all/ 1 2 5 11/ 1 2 5 11/ 1 2 5 11 cost $38.40
get second you pig
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June 6th, 2014 at 10:22:57 PM permalink
My revised pick after careful review of PP is $10 Ex:2-5 $2 Ex 2-5,9. $5 Tri 2-5-9. $2 Tri 2-5,9. $1 Tri 2-5,9-5,4,9. $1 Tri 2-5-4,9.10.
$3 Sup 2-5-9-4. $1 Sup 2-5,9-5,4,9-5,4,9,10.
Just in case $1 Tri 2,5-2,5-4,9. $1 Sup 2,5-2,5-4,9-4,9,10. Total @$60.
$140 Place on CC.
Total investment $200. Out of my return of @$410 so far on Derby run.
Final selection tomorrow morning about 10am EST.
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June 6th, 2014 at 10:49:51 PM permalink
I didn't know to think this but it seems a triple crown contender with two wins coming to Belmont is probably more likely to win than come in fourth. I don't know if it's true but it seems true because they usually come in second or third.
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June 7th, 2014 at 9:20:37 AM permalink
I just bet $145 to win $100 on California Chrome NOT to win today. I like betting against big names on principle alone.
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June 7th, 2014 at 9:32:21 AM permalink
Turf Condition: Firm
Track Condition: Fast
Weather: SUNNY 26C/78F
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June 7th, 2014 at 9:44:32 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I just bet $145 to win $100 on California Chrome NOT to win today. I like betting against big names on principle alone.



I like that bet. Was that made online or at a sportsbook in Vegas?

My official pick is Wicked Strong.
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June 7th, 2014 at 9:57:36 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I just bet $145 to win $100 on California Chrome NOT to win today. I like betting against big names on principle alone.



I like that bet. Only 1/3 of the favorites win in the Belmont.
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June 7th, 2014 at 10:58:32 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I just bet $145 to win $100 on California Chrome NOT to win today. I like betting against big names on principle alone.



Considering there are 10 horses in the race that seems like a solid bet although I hate any bet where I win less than the amount I wagered.

In this case I really want CC to win just for the fun of seeing a Triple Crown Winner. I don't remember seeing the last one. I was 19 at the time and don't remember watching the races on TV. Maybe I did and just don't remember.
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June 7th, 2014 at 11:32:48 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I just bet $145 to win $100 on California Chrome NOT to win today. I like betting against big names on principle alone.


That's a little more than $3.30 for a $2 bet. I would be surprised if a $145 bet on CC to win would end up paying $100 or more.

And add me to the "smart bet" list - nobody has any idea what's going to happen to these horses when they reach the eighth pole. My usual policy for the Belmont is, bet on a horse with a jockey who has been riding horses at the track regularly, rather than one brought in just for today. That leaves Ride On Curlin, Samraat, Commissioner, Wicked Strong, and Tonalist (and, to a lesser extent, Matterhorn).
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June 7th, 2014 at 11:41:51 AM permalink
Average WIN price for the first 6 races today is just over $15

1--$7.60
2--$8.90
3--$22.40
4--$11.70
5--$20.40
6--$20.80
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June 7th, 2014 at 11:46:37 AM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

That's a little more than $3.30 for a $2 bet. I would be surprised if a $145 bet on CC to win would end up paying $100 or more.

And add me to the "smart bet" list - nobody has any idea what's going to happen to these horses when they reach the eighth pole. My usual policy for the Belmont is, bet on a horse with a jockey who has been riding horses at the track regularly, rather than one brought in just for today. That leaves Ride On Curlin, Samraat, Commissioner, Wicked Strong, and Tonalist (and, to a lesser extent, Matterhorn).



CC's jockey has been there before. Has already ridden a horse attempting to complete the triple crown. Horse stumbled coming out of the gate and didn't make it. You can take that previous attempt either way. Should know how to do it now, or can't finish the deal.
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June 7th, 2014 at 12:09:43 PM permalink
Quote: PBguy

Considering there are 10 horses in the race that seems like a solid bet although I hate any bet where I win less than the amount I wagered.

In this case I really want CC to win just for the fun of seeing a Triple Crown Winner. I don't remember seeing the last one. I was 19 at the time and don't remember watching the races on TV. Maybe I did and just don't remember.



You didn't watch the Belmont that year. It was the kind of performance that can't be forgotten.

I've got it all on the 2 to win. There's a reason this colt is the odds on favorite. I worry bout the 8 (breeding). I'll most likely put something on 8, I hate those "I knew it!", moments.
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June 7th, 2014 at 3:20:12 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I just bet $145 to win $100 on California Chrome NOT to win today. I like betting against big names on principle alone.


I like Wizard betting CC NOT to win. So I bet $20 to win on CC. Remember NO Safety !!!!!
4-5 for CC is a good bet.
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June 7th, 2014 at 3:26:50 PM permalink
Bet Belmont, Race 11, $1.00 SFC 2 / 5 / 4,9 / 4,9,10 $4.00 37372392038031 Cancel
Bet Belmont, Race 11, $1.00 SFC 2 / 5,9 / 4,5,9 / 4,5,9,10 $8.00 35769747021066 Cancel
Bet Belmont, Race 11, $1.00 TRI 2 / 5,9 / 4,5,9,10 $6.00 23280091506259 Cancel
06-07-2014 06:21:55 PM (EDT) Bet Belmont, Race 11, $5.00 TRI 2 / 5 / 9 $5.00 19628297551888 Cancel
06-07-2014 06:21:39 PM (EDT) Bet Belmont, Race 11, $2.00 EXA 2 / 5,9 $4.00 64906241305030 Cancel
06-07-2014 06:21:24 PM (EDT) Bet Belmont, Race 11, $10.00 EXA 2 / 5 $10.00 08829265928319 Cancel
06-07-2014 06:21:06 PM (EDT) Bet Belmont, Race 11, $20.00 WIN 2 $20.00 83353539928142 Cancel
06-07-2014 06:20:55 PM (EDT) Bet Belmont, Race 11, $100.00 PLC 2 $100.00 84395680832120 Cancel
Total investment $157.
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June 7th, 2014 at 3:33:03 PM permalink
Thanks to this random tornadic cell way far away from where I live, the belmont coverage is shoved on a non-HD subchannel right now. Hopefully they'll flip it back by the race/hockey game.
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June 7th, 2014 at 3:38:12 PM permalink
I have Commissioner to win and an 8-9 exacta
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June 7th, 2014 at 3:42:27 PM permalink
Quote: Johnzimbo

I have Commissioner to win and an 8-9 exacta



#1 Medal Count (25-1)
#8 Commissioner (27-1)

Both are well bred for mile+half. I think one of them is going to win.

I bet $50 to win on each.
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June 7th, 2014 at 4:00:00 PM permalink
AH !!!!! Too long for CC.
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June 7th, 2014 at 4:00:56 PM permalink
Another favorite bites the dust in the Belmont.

The jockey just said "he just didn't have it today" and that's how it looked. Having to go wide couldn't have helped.
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June 7th, 2014 at 4:04:48 PM permalink
Quote: PBguy

Another favorite bites the dust in the Belmont.

The jockey just said "he just didn't have it today" and that's how it looked. Having to go wide couldn't have helped.



He also looked like he lightened up considerably from the Preakness.

It just again goes to show, it requires a monster to win the TC.
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June 7th, 2014 at 4:08:31 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

If I bet tonalist win place and show, will I win anything overall(net)if he comes in second or third?



I hope you placed that bet!
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June 7th, 2014 at 4:11:16 PM permalink
After the race Steve Coburn blasted the winners calling them cowards for not racing in the Derby and Preakness.
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June 7th, 2014 at 4:13:44 PM permalink
Well I guess that was one approach to the post race interview by Chrome's owner.......or he could have been classy, congratulated the winner and commented on how hard a feat the TC is to accomplish.
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June 7th, 2014 at 4:22:00 PM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

Well I guess that was one approach to the post race interview by Chrome's owner.......or he could have been classy, congratulated the winner and commented on how hard a feat the TC is to accomplish.


The only problem with the "limit the Preakness and Belmont to horses that qualified for the Derby" idea is, there are some horses who are definitely longer distance specialists; do you disqualify them from the one TC race they have a chance to win because they didn't earn enough points to qualify for the Derby? Only Seattle Slew and Affirmed won TCs since the "points system" started.

Quote: ThatDonGuy

That leaves Ride On Curlin, Samraat, Commissioner, Wicked Strong, and Tonalist


And if you crazy enough to box those into superfectas...you lost everything as Medal Count finished third. (Actually, I had a gut feeling Ride On Curlin was going to steal it.)
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June 7th, 2014 at 4:29:22 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I just bet $145 to win $100 on California Chrome NOT to win today. I like betting against big names on principle alone.



Ka-ching!

Quote: FinsRule

I like that bet. Was that made online or at a sportsbook in Vegas?



Online. You can't get fixed odds here in Vegas since it is para-mutual.
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June 7th, 2014 at 4:38:06 PM permalink
Quote: mickeycrimm

After the race Steve Coburn blasted the winners calling them cowards for not racing in the Derby and Preakness.



Talk about blowing the good will he had built up with the general public. He came across as a crybaby with that performance.
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June 7th, 2014 at 4:52:36 PM permalink
Quote: MidwestAP

Talk about blowing the good will he had built up with the general public. He came across as a crybaby with that performance.



Sounded somewhat plastered too.
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June 7th, 2014 at 4:53:37 PM permalink
Quote: treetopbuddy

Steve Coburn is completly full of s***. Where does he get off proposing anything. This fat f**** wants to change the Triple Crown format? What an arrogant pile of horse dung. Nobody is going to listen to the dunce.

The horses that have fallen short in their Triple Crown bids weren't tired, they simply weren't bred to run a mile and a half. Most of the horses that have made a bid are true milers that they are trying to stretch out for big prize. Running less than 4 minutes in thirty five day does not make for a tired horse. It can be argued that horses that haven't run in five plus weeks are not sharp.

If California Chrome gets beat it will not be because he's tired. He'll get beat because he's not bred to get the mile and a half. It doesn't appear that this horse can carry his speed to the finish line at the Big Sandy.....but he keeps surprising.



It appears as if the ill-fated
treetopbuddy saw the Belmont
post race interview coming from
12 furlongs away.
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June 7th, 2014 at 5:23:38 PM permalink
It was a hell of a five weeks.

Had CC $400 to win, #8 $50 place and show.
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June 7th, 2014 at 5:43:56 PM permalink
Idk anything about horseracing but figured too much money was coming in on California chrome so there had to be value on the other horses. I made a small last minute snap decision and bet $10 each on 4, 5, 9, and 11 like 15mins before the race started.
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June 7th, 2014 at 6:42:23 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Ka-ching!



Online. You can't get fixed odds here in Vegas since it is para-mutual.



I saw bets in the sportsbook - Will Chrome win the triple crown, so I thought something like that would be allowed. Anyway, betting $100 against a triple crown every year seems like a pretty good bet to make.
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June 7th, 2014 at 8:36:29 PM permalink
I hit the 20 cent super for 751 bucks.....a nose either way with 2/9 and get much more or zero.
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June 7th, 2014 at 8:52:40 PM permalink
Quote:

California Chrome sustained a bloody gash to his right front foot during the Belmont Stakes, an injury that may have hurt his chances in his failed bid to sweep the Triple Crown for the first time in 36 years.



We'll never know.

Think someone dropped broken glass in front of his gate?
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June 7th, 2014 at 9:27:33 PM permalink
Quote: PBguy

I hope you placed that bet!

just place. got greedy with trifectas and struck out thanks to CC. I should have known the horse lady from the track knew enough but straight bets didn't seem sexy enough. other bad luck elsewhere saturday really was the key factor in biffing and being chicken.

Was truly sad for Cc though.
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June 8th, 2014 at 3:03:59 AM permalink
I lost $100. I didn't have any piece of medal count or commissioner in show or place position
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June 8th, 2014 at 2:34:11 PM permalink
See you guys next year!!!!!!!!! +@250 for this year. TC.
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June 8th, 2014 at 2:42:32 PM permalink
Quote: speedycrap

See you guys next year!!!!!!!!! +@250 for this year. TC.


What about the Breeders Cup?
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