Preakness and Belmont.
Hi Buzz,
I just got off the phone with a very angry man. He is an old acquaintance who has gone over to the “Dark Side.”
I’ve known Click (don’t ask, that’s his name) for close to 25 years. We go back to the time when I was first learning to approach gambling as a business.
Click and I used to like to play craps together. In fact we even had a brief partnership using a system requiring players to make offsetting bets. I thought we worked together pretty well.
I could always count on Click to stick with a system and then honestly settle up at the end of a session.
Then something happened to him. He had a number of personal tragedies. He went on a binge and lost most of his money.
I lost track of him and a few years later found out he was working for one of the casinos we used to hit pretty hard as winning players.
I heard from again yesterday.
He got right to the point.
“It’s your players. You have got to call them off.”
I had no idea what he was talking about. So I asked him, “What players are you talking about Click? Is there someone playing like we used to play and giving your casino a rough time?”
I said this almost as a joke. He took it seriously. “You know what’s going on. Normally, I wouldn’t complain. But, these are different times. Times are tough. Honestly, we can’t stand the losses. That’s why I am asking for your help.”
I heard him out. He is a mid-range manager of a casino group that operates several casinos in Nevada. A group of players had been methodically playing his casinos’ roulette games. He ended up talking to one of the players and found out they were using our stunning new roulette system – Checkmate Roulette. That’s what led up to the call.
“Martin, they have been hitting our roulette wheels in three different casinos. They are taking over $25,000 a day out of each wheel.”
I smiled. “That sounds like peanuts for an outfit like yours, Click.”
He almost choked on his answer. “You are right. Normally this wouldn’t affect us much. But everything is down right now. Our casino’s profits are off 37% over last year. One of our restaurants is ready to fold. And, our hotels occupancy . . .”
I interrupted him. “I’ve got the picture. You can’t stand the losses. But what makes you think I can do anything? Any players who are there are acting on their own. They don’t take orders from me.”
He sighed out loud. “I should have kept my mouth shut. But my boss found out I know you and now he is putting the heat on me to get this problem solved. If we don’t get these players out of here, we may have to pull the roulette games off the floor or ask your players to leave.”
“That’s not a good move, Click. If you do that everyone in Vegas will know something is up, sort of like sharks sensing blood.”
“I know. But, if you can, please do something.”
I didn’t make any promises. Click gave me the name of a player using Checkmate Roulette and I sent him an email to find out what was going on.
One of our original testers, Herb V., was behind what ever was happening in Click’s casinos. We sent a couple of emails back and forth and I still wasn’t sure what was going on. I called Herb and caught him taking a break from play.
Herb explained what was going on. He is retired and recently went to his 50th high school reunion. He told several of his old friends about his experiences winning at roulette as a Checkmate Roulette player.
From there on things sort of snowballed.
He ended up with a group of fifteen former classmates, several of their spouses, three of their children and two other people who formed his “Group of Twenty-five.”
They like to play roulette together and had decided to spend thirty days playing roulette as a group in Las Vegas.
It turned out that they liked playing in Click’s casinos better than just about anywhere else.
Buzz, as the story unfolded I started to see Click’s viewpoint. Herb’s group was not just playing roulette but was descending on the games in Click’s casinos.
Sometimes as many as three group members were playing at the same table. And as soon as they finished and took a break, more group members arrived.
Click was fairly accurate when he described what he was experiencing as an “out and out assault.”
I told Herb about my call from Click. I didn’t name names. I just explained that his group’s approach to the game was causing problems.
At first Herb was very defensive. “It’s their game and we are beating it fairly. There’s not much they can do.”
I explained the situation in more detail to Herb. “You may not realize it, but in the State of Nevada, the casinos have the right to ban anyone they choose from playing in their establishments.”
Herb objected. “But, that’s just for card counters or cheaters. All we are doing is playing by their rules and winning.”
“That’s true. But, they can ask you to take your business elsewhere. That’s their right in Nevada.”
Herb got quiet. “What do you suggest?”
I had a brainstorm and decided to try it. “You ought to give yourselves a raise. You can win more per hour playing on single-zero wheels. And, at the same time you can give these guys a break.”
I gave him a list of single-zero wheels in the area. Herb had several objections, but he finally got down to just one.
“We like to meet at their coffee shop. That’s part of the fun.”
“You can still meet there. Just play at the casinos with the single-zero wheels and then meet at the coffee shop. I am sure the casino has no objection to serving you.”
I added as an afterthought, “Herb, you have done what few people have accomplished. You have truly beaten the casinos. They are literally begging for mercy. Now, you can give them a break and still keep your game going. It’s the right thing to do.”
He finally agreed. He pulled his players out the next day and scattered them in several different casinos.
Click called me.
“I want to say thanks. They stopped playing roulette yesterday. What did you do to get them to leave?”
“I gave them the names of several of your competitors.”
He chuckled. “Thanks again. Remember when we used to play craps at . . .”
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Quote: speedycrapDo WHAT?? Make it clear please.
I will pick CC and you pick any horse you like. $10 CC will finish in front of your pick. CC might not win or on the board. Please confirm here and on PM.
Think about it first. Do your homework. My offer is always open.
Rememeber, always put your money where your mouth is!!!!!!!!!!!
Time for you to put up or shut up. I will take the field, you can have CC straight up, even money, better odds than at the track.
Or I will take any 4/5 shot anywhere anytime, you pick my 4/5 shot and the horse that you think will beat him LOL
He's 4/5 against the field. That's like all the horses DUH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Was it written by bob in his spare time? :)
Quote: BuzzardSorry, Tom be right back. Got to put that $13 check in the mail and gas up the car for Vegas.
How does a dyslexic man follow a surefire roulette system? Drazzub? lol....;)
Quote: BuzzardSorry, Tom be right back. Got to put that $13 check in the mail and gas up the car for Vegas.
Is that $13 or $31? :-)
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Quote: BuzzardWhen you're hot, you're HOT !
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You better go play the lottery today because it is clearly your lucky day.....Were you born with a golden spoon up your bum or do people just naturally trsut you Buzz? :)
Also, she is similarly aged to you.....fancy a fling before she meets her maker? :)
"nine of the past 14 Belmont winners had five weeks rest"
It was in an article where CC co-owner Steven Coburn was complaining about trainers that hold their horses out of the Preakness in order to have a better chance of winning the Belmont - which also means less chance for a horse to win the Triple Crown. He proposes limiting entries in the Belmont to horses that raced the Preakness and the Kentucky Derby.
Interesting. I can see his point but can also understand why trainers would want to rest their horses. Maybe another option is to spread the races out 7 or 8 weeks instead of 5.
http://espn.go.com/horse-racing/blog/_/name/ehalt_bob/id/10959312/california-chrome-winds-change
Quote: PBguy
It was in an article where CC co-owner Steven Coburn was complaining about trainers that hold their horses out of the Preakness in order to have a better chance of winning the Belmont - which also means less chance for a horse to win the Triple Crown. He proposes limiting entries in the Belmont to horses that raced the Preakness and the Kentucky Derby.
Steve Coburn is completly full of s***. Where does he get off proposing anything. This fat f**** wants to change the Triple Crown format? What an arrogant pile of horse dung. Nobody is going to listen to the dunce.
The horses that have fallen short in their Triple Crown bids weren't tired, they simply weren't bred to run a mile and a half. Most of the horses that have made a bid are true milers that they are trying to stretch out for big prize. Running less than 4 minutes in thirty five day does not make for a tired horse. It can be argued that horses that haven't run in five plus weeks are not sharp.
If California Chrome gets beat it will not be because he's tired. He'll get beat because he's not bred to get the mile and a half. It doesn't appear that this horse can carry his speed to the finish line at the Big Sandy.....but he keeps surprising.
Quote: treetopbuddyIf California Chrome gets beat it will not be because he's tired. He'll get beat because he's not bred to get the mile and a half. It doesn't appear that this horse can carry his speed to the finish line at the Big Sandy.....but he keeps surprising.
But to be fair, he isn't bred to run any type of distance on any type of track on any day of the week. He is bred to be a cart horse and nothing more.....
This is what makes this story so other worldly.
Quote: TomspurBut to be fair, he isn't bred to run any type of distance on any type of track on any day of the week. He is bred to be a cart horse and nothing more.....
This is what makes this story so other worldly.
Exactly, Tomspur. The horse is an amazing story. He could and should be running in the cheapest races in the country. Or a lead out pony. Coburn is ruining the story for me. He needs to shut his fat trap.
Quote: aceofspadesCan I bet Personal Ensign to come from wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy back?
And rolling down the middle of the track it's Personal Ensign!
Quote: treetopbuddyExactly, Tomspur. The horse is an amazing story. He could and should be running in the cheapest races in the country. Or a lead out pony. Coburn is ruining the story for me. He needs to shut his fat trap.
A large part of it could just be over exuberance and total elation I guess. It makes some people do very silly things.
Each person needs to imagine themselves in their shoes and see how they would react especially with half the racing world trying to tell you how, when and why you shouldn't have the horse you have or that you should sell, sell, sell.
He is no doubt a little big mouthed but he is also making history with these totally unconventional decisions which keep on paying of for him, his partner and their trainer.
Quote: PBguyIt was in an article where CC co-owner Steven Coburn was complaining about trainers that hold their horses out of the Preakness in order to have a better chance of winning the Belmont - which also means less chance for a horse to win the Triple Crown. He proposes limiting entries in the Belmont to horses that raced the Preakness and the Kentucky Derby.
Interesting. I can see his point but can also understand why trainers would want to rest their horses. Maybe another option is to spread the races out 7 or 8 weeks instead of 5.
The first problem with this is, you have just disqualified every horse who didn't earn enough money to qualify for the Derby.
The second problem with this is, how many Belmonts have been won by "distance specialists" who would have had no business being in the Preakness? (This goes back a few decades, but, other than the Belmont, how well did Arts & Letters do?)
You want more Triple Crown winners? Make the races 3-year-olds and up. Include the Breeders Cup Classic to make it a Grand Slam.
Quote: treetopbuddyAnd rolling down the middle of the track it's Personal Ensign!
Got this lithograph as a gift from my parents after she won
What the hell - here is THE race!
Please relax and chill. The owners just got lucky. They are like lottery winners. I am happy for them.Quote: treetopbuddyExactly, Tomspur. The horse is an amazing story. He could and should be running in the cheapest races in the country. Or a lead out pony. Coburn is ruining the story for me. He needs to shut his fat trap.
TTB, just chill please.
Quote: TomspurSeems like she left an impression ace :)
Yes, Personal Ensign was the first horse's career I ever followed - I will always have a soft spot in my heart for her.
Quote: TomspurA large part of it could just be over exuberance and total elation I guess. It makes some people do very silly things.
Each person needs to imagine themselves in their shoes and see how they would react especially with half the racing world trying to tell you how, when and why you shouldn't have the horse you have or that you should sell, sell, sell.
He is no doubt a little big mouthed but he is also making history with these totally unconventional decisions which keep on paying of for him, his partner and their trainer.
How about this......'We are very humbled and very lucky to have this horse. We really don't know what we're doing. This is our first horse, hell we were going to give the mom away and decided at the last minute to breed the cheap mare to a cheap stallion because, well, we really don't have the money to play in the Sport of Kings. We appreciate the people that have spent hundreds of millions trying to win these races as they are the fuel that keeps the game going. I'm sorry for insulting Sheikh Mohamed a friend of the US and a great horseman who runs a country. Hell I don't know the first thing about horses. I'm sorry for insulting the folks at Churchill Down for claiming they weren't as hospitable as the people in Maryland. I''m sorry for putting my two bits in on changing the rules for Triple Crown racing. And finally I'm sorry for using up my food allowance years ago'
Quote: aceofspadesYes, Personal Ensign was the first horse's career I ever followed - I will always have a soft spot in my heart for her.
We will always remember our "firsts".
Mine was a horse called "Tommy Hotspur" imagine that :)
Your nick should be "personal spades" :)
Quote: treetopbuddyHow about this......'We are very humbled and very lucky to have this horse. We really don't know what we're doing. This is our first horse, hell we were going to give the mom away and decided at the last minute to breed the cheap mare to a cheap stallion because, well, we really don't have the money to play in the Sport of Kings. We appreciate the people that have spent hundreds of millions trying to win these races as they are the fuel that keeps the game going. I'm sorry for insulting Sheikh Mohamed a friend of the US and a great horseman who runs a country. Hell I don't know the first thing about horses. I'm sorry for insulting the folks at Churchill Down for claiming they weren't as hospitable as the people in Maryland. I''m sorry for putting my two bits in on changing the rules for Triple Crown racing. And finally I'm sorry for using up my food allowance years ago'
But that wouldn't get the tongues wagging now would it :)
Quote: aceofspadesYes, Personal Ensign was the first horse's career I ever followed - I will always have a soft spot in my heart for her.
She was an amazing mommy producing four grade one winners and a grade two winner. What a Champion.
Quote: treetopbuddySteve Coburn is completly full of s***. Where does he get off proposing anything. This fat f**** wants to change the Triple Crown format? What an arrogant pile of horse dung. Nobody is going to listen to the dunce.
The horses that have fallen short in their Triple Crown bids weren't tired, they simply weren't bred to run a mile and a half. Most of the horses that have made a bid are true milers that they are trying to stretch out for big prize. Running less than 4 minutes in thirty five day does not make for a tired horse. It can be argued that horses that haven't run in five plus weeks are not sharp.
If California Chrome gets beat it will not be because he's tired. He'll get beat because he's not bred to get the mile and a half. It doesn't appear that this horse can carry his speed to the finish line at the Big Sandy.....but he keeps surprising.
It sounds like you missed this part of the story where the president of Pimlico says he wants to give the horses more rest between races:
It's against that backdrop that Pimlico president Tom Chuckas told bloodhorse.com last week that he plans to approach officials at Churchill Downs and the New York Racing Association about changing the time between the three jewels of the Triple Crown to level the playing field. On Monday, he said at a news conference that he would push for moving the Preakness to the first week in June and the Belmont to the first weekend in July.
"I respect tradition, but I also think tradition cannot impede the growth or betterment of the industry," Chuckas said. "When we get our most attention, we tend to consolidate, which is not beneficial to the thoroughbred industry as a whole. People might say you will have to put an asterisk by the horse who wins the Triple Crown under these conditions. This schedule has changed often, so the bottom line is you don't have to put an asterisk.
"If you take a look at the NFL, NBA, [Major League Baseball] and NHL, all of them have gone through transformations with wild-card additions and scheduling changes, but do you really believe there should be an asterisk by the Seattle Seahawks because they won the Super Bowl under different conditions than the Green Bay Packers in the Super Bowl? I don't think so.
Seems like a reasonable change and could result in better more competitive races.
"The philosophy of the trainers has drastically changed over the years. It is hard for them to bring a horse back from the Derby in two weeks and run a horse three times in a five-week period. Most of them will not do it. But this idea is not just for the Triple Crown races. We have an obligation to the public to put our best racing on the table when the world is watching, and we are not doing that. We could promote a Woodford-Dixie-Manhattan series for older turf stars and Triple Crown filly series with the Kentucky Oaks, Black-Eyed Susan and Acorn. All those things are possible but is going to demand a collaborative effort between the parties to make this happen."
This is how I understand it. Bet $100 in 30 days and they'll give you $100 in your account. Can you just cash out then or do they fine print you to death?
Also it said something about not being able to use it if you're on other various sites before. Do any of those sites offer something better than the $100?
Quote: ontariodealerI just read that medal count is prepping for the belmont.....he should be a very good overlay as commanding curve will be overbet.
Could you explain how Medal Count is an overlay and Commanding Curve is an underlay.
The Belmont pool will be large enough to reflect reasonable odds based on what is known about the horses.
Quote: treetopbuddyCould you explain how Medal Count is an overlay and Commanding Curve is an underlay.
The Belmont pool will be large enough to reflect reasonable odds based on what is known about the horses.
California Chrome will be overbet and you know that. I'd give anyone an even money bet that he loses, yet I know he'll go off under even money.
Quote: FinsRuleCalifornia Chrome will be overbet and you know that. I'd give anyone an even money bet that he loses, yet I know he'll go off under even money.
Yeah, he'll probably go off as the odds on favorite if nothing big happens between now and the race. Remember I'll Have Another? Lots of people will be betting two dollar win tickets then trying to flip them on eBay if he wins. Only tickets purchased at the track will have any value at some point. My son and I went to the Belmont for the Smarty Jones coronation. I got sucked in and bought a s*** load of two dollar tickets. That was one depressing place after the race. Little piles of Smarty Jones T-Shirts and tickets burning as far as the eye could see.
The Belmont always reminds me of one of the greatest races ever run. The Affirmed-Alydar Belmont. They were throwing it down...Alydar never switched leads which is amazing considering how great a racehorse he was.....
Quote: speedycrapI think CC is still a good SHOW bet.
Wear a dress when making that show bet......just kidding. 2.60-2.80 on a 2.......up to 3 if a longshot hits the board?
Quote: treetopbuddyWear a dress when making that show bet......just kidding. 2.60-2.80 on a 2.......up to 3 if a longshot hits the board?
No chance show pays $3. $2.60 seems a little high...
Quote: treetopbuddyCould you explain how Medal Count is an overlay and Commanding Curve is an underlay.
The Belmont pool will be large enough to reflect reasonable odds based on what is known about the horses.
I had the two top longshots going into the derby as medal count and commanding curve........curve got a very good trip and was flying on the outside with half of north america seeing it.....medal count got a horrid trip and yet was still flying down the middle when totally stopped by danza (who would have been dq'd in most races) popped out a 16th out.
cal chrome will take tons of support and comm curve will get a lot of "dumb money"..........medal count will probably be the top threat and he will be well hidden.
Post Time for June 7, 2014 is 6:52 p.m. EDT.
Post Position draw is tomorrow at 11:00 a.m. EDT.
Have a look at the updated odds and entries below, via the official website and Bovada.
California Chrome 11-10
Ride On Curlin 11-2
Commanding Curve 15-2
Tonalist 15-2
Wicked Strong 17-2
Medal Count 16-1
General A-Rod 20-1
Samraat 22-1
Social Inclusion 28-1
Commissioner 33-1
Matterhorn 33-1
Kid Cruz 40-1
Matuszak 40-1
Tough now with TTB nuked and LarryS under suspension to recreate any discussions had before. Buzzard is muted on time out too, so you're one of the only ones capable of an educated guess. It's certainly not coming from me besides my popular opinion gut feeling guess CC will come in third.Quote: speedycrapAnybody please post a link of past performance after the draw. Thanks.
Quote: onenickelmiracleTough now with TTB nuked and LarryS under suspension to recreate any discussions had before. Buzzard is muted on time out too, so you're one of the only ones capable of an educated guess. It's certainly not coming from me besides my popular opinion gut feeling guess CC will come in third.
So.... Looks like it's just us....
