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April 12th, 2022 at 6:02:10 AM permalink
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I've exchanged emails with her on a professional level. She's a very polite young lady.
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You were emailing with Victor pretending to be Sarah.
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April 12th, 2022 at 7:22:15 AM permalink
No... when I exchanged messages with Vic I knew it was Vic. He was... well, is there any need to say it??
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April 12th, 2022 at 7:38:29 AM permalink
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No... when I exchanged messages with Vic I knew it was Vic. He was... well, is there any need to say it??
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A sourpuss?
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April 12th, 2022 at 7:47:22 AM permalink
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No... when I exchanged messages with Vic I knew it was Vic. He was... well, is there any need to say it??
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A sourpuss?
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That puts it mildly.
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April 12th, 2022 at 8:00:58 AM permalink
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Vic thinks his bad hands are "sour." I wonder where he got that from?
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There's nothing wrong with reinforcing a trademark. Don't they sell "sour" branded clothing, sweatshirts, tees?

Its smart marketing.
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There is a large gas station / convenience store chain in Las Vegas called Terrible's. It sounds like a terrible name to me but it seems to work for them.
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April 12th, 2022 at 8:34:34 AM permalink
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Vic thinks his bad hands are "sour." I wonder where he got that from?
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There's nothing wrong with reinforcing a trademark. Don't they sell "sour" branded clothing, sweatshirts, tees?

Its smart marketing.
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There is a large gas station / convenience store chain in Las Vegas called Terrible's. It sounds like a terrible name to me but it seems to work for them.
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And they used to have a casino.
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April 12th, 2022 at 8:57:13 AM permalink
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Vic thinks his bad hands are "sour." I wonder where he got that from?
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There's nothing wrong with reinforcing a trademark. Don't they sell "sour" branded clothing, sweatshirts, tees?

Its smart marketing.
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There is a large gas station / convenience store chain in Las Vegas called Terrible's. It sounds like a terrible name to me but it seems to work for them.
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And they used to have a casino.
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And now a movie will be filmed there.

https://news3lv.com/news/local/jason-blum-movie-production-applies-to-film-at-shuttered-terribles-casino-in-jean
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April 12th, 2022 at 9:13:36 AM permalink
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average at best looks,.....
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If she is your idea of "average at best" I'm legitimately curious to see what your idea of attractive is...
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April 12th, 2022 at 10:37:34 AM permalink
Maybe she’s what the kids are calling “mid asf” nowadays. I think I would be min asf.
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April 12th, 2022 at 12:24:40 PM permalink
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Vic thinks his bad hands are "sour." I wonder where he got that from?
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There's nothing wrong with reinforcing a trademark. Don't they sell "sour" branded clothing, sweatshirts, tees?

Its smart marketing.
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There is a large gas station / convenience store chain in Las Vegas called Terrible's. It sounds like a terrible name to me but it seems to work for them.
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And they used to have a casino.
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rip Terrible's casino and their chicken special
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April 12th, 2022 at 2:42:34 PM permalink
I still don’t understand how these two are making this worthwhile. Even at an average of 50,000 views, expected income can range from $33k to $56K per year. Factor in slot losses, which can be enormous, table losses, travel costs, equipment, set up, managing the channel, etc…the two of them are splitting, what, maybe $5k to $10k after it’s all done. Even with patreon adding in a bit more, I still can’t see the value. They have been averaging less than 50,000 views.

Even guys like NG Slots…who is literally dumping $30,000 per month in slot losses. There’s just no way the views will put you over the hump. In fact, as opposed to some others…he claims “no way” does his YouTube income even remotely cover his slot losses.

Something doesn’t add up. I know channels can make money…but daily high limit slot play is like a drug, hooker or stripper habit. Expensive as all hell.

Paris Hilton setting up a channel to speak about make up…I get it. Her operating costs are virtually nil. High limit slot players…is another stratosphere of costs.
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April 12th, 2022 at 2:50:13 PM permalink
I mean, they're either making more money than you think doing this or one or both of them have day jobs.
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April 12th, 2022 at 2:55:52 PM permalink
Or they are digging themselves into debt pursuing fame. They are far from alone. Fame can be addictive.
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April 12th, 2022 at 4:12:59 PM permalink
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Or they are digging themselves into debt pursuing fame. They are far from alone. Fame can be addictive.
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I still think a lot of these people made a ton on crypto.
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April 12th, 2022 at 4:45:59 PM permalink
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I still don’t understand how these two are making this worthwhile. Even at an average of 50,000 views, expected income can range from $33k to $56K per year. Factor in slot losses, which can be enormous, table losses, travel costs, equipment, set up, managing the channel, etc…the two of them are splitting, what, maybe $5k to $10k after it’s all done. Even with patreon adding in a bit more, I still can’t see the value. They have been averaging less than 50,000 views.

Even guys like NG Slots…who is literally dumping $30,000 per month in slot losses. There’s just no way the views will put you over the hump. In fact, as opposed to some others…he claims “no way” does his YouTube income even remotely cover his slot losses.

Something doesn’t add up. I know channels can make money…but daily high limit slot play is like a drug, hooker or stripper habit. Expensive as all hell.

Paris Hilton setting up a channel to speak about make up…I get it. Her operating costs are virtually nil. High limit slot players…is another stratosphere of costs.
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I think these YouTube casino businesses are all likely to go broke.

Anyone who survives has outside wealth.

I came to this conclusion because ad fees have been dropping. And there are too many gambling channels now.
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April 12th, 2022 at 5:41:25 PM permalink
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I mean, they're either making more money than you think doing this or one or both of them have day jobs.
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Well, if he’s being honest NG Slots has been adamant that the income he is drawing off you tube with 300,000 subscribers does not come close to covering his slot losses.

Either he is lying, others are lying, he is truthful or they are truthful.

He claims to be “millionaire businessman” with a jewelry business. Whether true or not I do not know. He has admitted to family money which could be a trust from $1 to $10 million. Who knows.

I fully realize that it’s doubtful they do all this work for glory or fame…but I’m leaning toward the idea that all of them are wealthy prior to any channel being started and their gambling addiction is buffered by some you tube money. Justifies all the play?

The only one I’ve seen curtail play and mention losses is Slot Lady….and her views are similar to other high limit players who DWARF her slot play minimums. She’s losing with viewership? They must be suffering more.
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April 12th, 2022 at 5:55:34 PM permalink
I can't believe there is a market for watching people play slots.
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April 12th, 2022 at 7:15:10 PM permalink
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I can't believe there is a market for watching people play slots.
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Not only is there a market for it…viewers actively donate cash to these players while watching. Called “chats” or “super chats”…anywhere from $1, I’ve seen up to $200.

Mind boggling to me.
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April 12th, 2022 at 7:15:43 PM permalink
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April 12th, 2022 at 7:29:04 PM permalink
Btw, I agree with anyone who said she's cute.
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April 13th, 2022 at 12:14:48 AM permalink
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If she got a boob job she got ripped off for sure.

Not sure what her simps see in her. Snotty attitude, average at best looks, has a dumpy alcoholic gambling addicted boyfriend, liar... wow what a catch.
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Personal insult, three-day suspension. Welcome to the forum. As a reminder, SlotLady is a member here and thus enjoys insult protection.
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April 13th, 2022 at 12:32:43 AM permalink
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Is he a member? If not, then I’d say she could do better! ;-}
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April 13th, 2022 at 12:41:18 AM permalink
I would be shocked if NG Slot CAN'T cover his losses with YouTube views. He said in 2021 he did $2.5 million of coin-in. If we give a 10% house edge on that coin-in, he lost $250,000.00 on slots. Now compare that to his YouTube views: approximately 10 million views per month, or 120 million views per year. I would say that's at least $30,000.00 per month/$360,000.00 per year (his videos are longer than the average YouTube video, which is good, because it means he's able to pack more ads into them). Actually, maybe it was true last year that he wasn't able to cover his losses when he was only getting 7 million views per month, but he certainly can now with over 10 million views per month.
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April 13th, 2022 at 3:03:54 AM permalink
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I would be shocked if NG Slot CAN'T cover his losses with YouTube views. He said in 2021 he did $2.5 million of coin-in. If we give a 10% house edge on that coin-in, he lost $250,000.00 on slots. Now compare that to his YouTube views: approximately 10 million views per month, or 120 million views per year. I would say that's at least $30,000.00 per month/$360,000.00 per year (his videos are longer than the average YouTube video, which is good, because it means he's able to pack more ads into them). Actually, maybe it was true last year that he wasn't able to cover his losses when he was only getting 7 million views per month, but he certainly can now with over 10 million views per month.
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I'd like to see the current schedule of payments from YouTube.

YouTube traditionally splits revenue 50-50 with the content providers who are "monetized." However in the past couple of years ad rates and payments have dropped. The average ad now costs $2.47 and some ads are as little as 47-cents per view.

And the content provider gets half of that.

Add in another factor: who the advertisers are. While insurance companies and lawyers in rare cases do pay high ad rates such as $35 per view, the advertisers bidding for placement on "casino content" might be very low.

I closed my website about two years ago so I'm not up to date on rates and payments... but I was getting about $200 a month for about 3,000 daily visits. If that number were extrapolated to 100,000 daily visits (33 times more) it might have been $6600 a month income.

Now there are Youtubers making huge money -- six figures a month. But they're attracting high income viewers that are sought by high paying advertisers.

I'm not sure "casino content providers" are in demand for ads placed by insurance companies, lawyers, medical providers, real estate and investment houses.
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April 13th, 2022 at 3:17:52 AM permalink
Back in the very early days YouTube would pay $1 per 1,000 views. Then content creators were put under a gag order not to publicly talk about their YouTube income. So we'd get glimpses & clues to what was going on and it seemed to change often. A lot of Content Creators went out of business when the PewDiePie scandal broke out and advertisers were walking away and incomes went down 80% or more. YouTube wanted to make content more family friendly so fitting content within guidelines of what advertisers want just gets totally ridiculous for the platform and their creators. So many YouTubers are getting their videos demonetized or accounts terminated; it's really difficult to base your life on the platform. With the Russia War breaking out, a lot of social media is going into purge mode and deactivating accounts in the past 2 months.

Occasionally you'll find a YouTube analytics video for a specific content creator, but it may have little relation to what other YouTubers with similar views may be getting, because half of somebody's videos have been demonetized, or the algorithm for how income is derived varies somewhat.
YouTubers need to be consistent with an upload schedule to get on the rotations of front page videos that are recommended, but I never visit the front page anyway.
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April 13th, 2022 at 8:00:48 AM permalink
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I can't believe there is a market for watching people play slots.
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Not only is there a market for it…viewers actively donate cash to these players while watching. Called “chats” or “super chats”…anywhere from $1, I’ve seen up to $200.

Mind boggling to me.
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I'm not into donating to streamers, but in my mind it's not any dumber than getting cable to watch football, or buying a player's sports jersey, or paying for a ticket to a ballgame. People are willing to pay for things that entertain them or buy things to support a sports team or player.
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April 13th, 2022 at 8:24:51 AM permalink
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If not, then I’d say she could do better! ;-}



Too many people say this about my wife.
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April 13th, 2022 at 8:31:50 AM permalink
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Now compare that to his YouTube views: approximately 10 million views per month...



Not sure where you get that number. I had never heard of NG Slots, so I went looking this morning. It appears, recently, he is getting 150,000 views a day (using the eyeball method) x 30 days/month = ~4,500,000 / month. Which, I suppose is still a lot of views.

Not sure I get it though. I watched one video, kinda boring, and not informational at all.
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April 13th, 2022 at 9:21:30 AM permalink
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I had never heard of NG Slots, so I went looking this morning. It appears, recently, he is getting 150,000 views a day (using the eyeball method) x 30 days/month = ~4,500,000 / month. Which, I suppose is still a lot of views.

Not sure I get it though. I watched one video, kinda boring, and not informational at all.
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if you like that slot but dont have the bankroll to play those limits, then you're living through him.
you imagine yourself doing $25/spin.

it's all about the excitement of the bonuses.
and i'm not talking about small handpays because 50x return on bonuses is common and $25 x 50 = $1250.
200x return bonuses gets people's blood going. It's like seeing a bases loaded homerun.
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April 13th, 2022 at 9:30:07 AM permalink
I don’t understand the comparisons. Hitting a home run requires some sort of talent. Pressing a button on a slot machine requires only the amount of money to make the bet.
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April 13th, 2022 at 9:38:41 AM permalink
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I don’t understand the comparisons. Hitting a home run requires some sort of talent. Pressing a button on a slot machine requires only the amount of money to make the bet.
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You're missing the point... it's not about talent, it's about excitement.
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April 13th, 2022 at 9:43:01 AM permalink
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I don’t understand the comparisons. Hitting a home run requires some sort of talent. Pressing a button on a slot machine requires only the amount of money to make the bet.
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You're missing the point... it's not about talent, it's about excitement.
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Excitement watching someone else play?

I never watch the slot videos. Absolutely no interest. I do watch videos for table games trying to learn them. And of course I watch video poker -- playing along in my own mind.

The new John's World of Video Poker is good because he explains some holds. But I doubt he'll last even if he appears to be wealthy.

Unfortunately slotmassacre who is likeable and mostly plays VP is not playing high limit anymore -- since he left his regular job to be a full time VP player. I'm afraid he's discovering that Youtubing doesnt replace a real job or business.
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April 13th, 2022 at 9:49:34 AM permalink
I can't think of anything less exciting than watching a stranger bang away on a slot machine. Do you really get excited when they hit a bonus?
I've nothing against it, as I have hobbies many would find a waste of time, but I just don't get it. I'd rather spend a weekend speculating on what would have happened if only Charlemange had had air support, but that's why there are different flavors of ice cream.
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April 13th, 2022 at 9:50:15 AM permalink
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Excitement watching someone else play?



Yes.

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I can't think of anything less exciting than watching a stranger bang away on a slot machine. Do you really get excited when they hit a bonus?
I've nothing against it, as I have hobbies many would find a waste of time, but I just don't get it. I'd rather spend a weekend speculating on what would have happened if only Charlemange had had air support, but that's why there are different flavors of ice cream.
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Then you DO get it... different people get excitement from different things. That's all there is to it. Person A gets excited when the Dodgers hit a home run. Person B gets excited when Slotlady hits a jackpot. Neither one of them gain anything tangible other than a vicarious thrill.
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April 13th, 2022 at 10:05:17 AM permalink
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I've nothing against it, as I have hobbies many would find a waste of time, but I just don't get it.
I'd rather spend a weekend speculating on what would have happened if only Charlemange had had air support, but that's why there are different flavors of ice cream.
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Robert E. Lee as well. :)

Or what would have happened if Hitler had better supply logistics when attacking Russia.

Or if JFK shot down that one last plane during the Cuban missile crisis before leaving the rebels to fend for themselves.
That 1 plane reloaded many times and sunk many ships in the Bay of Pigs that were friendly to the USA cause, which eventually lead to the failure of the coup. And thus Castro stayed in power.

And now back to the slotlady channel...
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April 13th, 2022 at 10:09:36 AM permalink
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I'd rather spend a weekend speculating on what would have happened if only Charlemange had had air support



Wow, you too?

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April 13th, 2022 at 10:16:39 AM permalink
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I'd rather spend a weekend speculating on what would have happened if only Charlemange had had air support



Wow, you too?

Settle a bet: Which would have integrated better into his army: AH-64 Apaches or A-10 Warthogs?
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The warthog is my favorite military plane. If I could ever afford one, I would like to own one.

My favorite commercial plane is the BAE-146. Who doesn't like a small overwing 4 engine jet?
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April 13th, 2022 at 10:16:54 AM permalink
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I'd rather spend a weekend speculating on what would have happened if only Charlemange had had air support



Wow, you too?

Settle a bet: Which would have integrated better into his army: AH-64 Apaches or A-10 Warthogs?
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As landing strips were severely lacking in medieval times, I'd go with the Apaches. Now, if I'd been able to bring in a few jump jets, I'd go with the Harriers.
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April 13th, 2022 at 10:19:22 AM permalink
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I'd rather spend a weekend speculating on what would have happened if only Charlemange had had air support



Wow, you too?

Settle a bet: Which would have integrated better into his army: AH-64 Apaches or A-10 Warthogs?
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Depends on the air defense of the opposing forces.
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April 13th, 2022 at 11:08:33 AM permalink
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Depends on the air defense of the opposing forces.



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April 13th, 2022 at 11:29:27 AM permalink
You don't need to watch things where skill goes on. You can be watching things where something different may happen. Like watching people on a sidewalk who keep missing a banana peel. Then finally someone steps on it. Or someone kicks it out of the way, or picks it up.

Explaining why some are interested in one thing or another is a different matter..
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April 13th, 2022 at 12:44:36 PM permalink
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I would be shocked if NG Slot CAN'T cover his losses with YouTube views. He said in 2021 he did $2.5 million of coin-in. If we give a 10% house edge on that coin-in, he lost $250,000.00 on slots. Now compare that to his YouTube views: approximately 10 million views per month, or 120 million views per year. I would say that's at least $30,000.00 per month/$360,000.00 per year (his videos are longer than the average YouTube video, which is good, because it means he's able to pack more ads into them). Actually, maybe it was true last year that he wasn't able to cover his losses when he was only getting 7 million views per month, but he certainly can now with over 10 million views per month.
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Yeah. He could be lying or misinforming. I don’t know. He’s also a voracious gambler like I’ve never seen. High limit everything. Slots, roulette, blackjack. Maybe he’s conflating them all.

On some level I don’t believe he is completely forthright.

First thing that comes to mind with all these channels is not that these guys are degenerate gamblers, although they could be…but they are definitely addicted gamblers like no other.

Then again, if someone is making money, a living, you’re addicted to your work…or you’re just working.
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April 13th, 2022 at 12:53:42 PM permalink
The guy seems "ethnic."

Could be a bunch of oil money or maybe "old world" money being used to fuel his action.
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April 13th, 2022 at 1:14:05 PM permalink
This Youtubing is like any other fad or craze or mania -- the early participants make the big money and then the late comers get scraps. Eventually the whole thing collapses.

You can't believe any of them.

I used to watch Storage Wars but I got sick of the show when these people started to put high prices on junk.

The same thing with these youtubing gamblers. They're all inflating their success to reel in audience and contributions.

It's like begging for money.
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April 13th, 2022 at 1:39:44 PM permalink
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The guy seems "ethnic."

Could be a bunch of oil money or maybe "old world" money being used to fuel his action.
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He’s Armenian.

Says he runs successful jewelry stores and online jewelry sales. Nobody knows where or site name.
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April 13th, 2022 at 2:19:27 PM permalink
Not inconceivable someone with a really large income could be a slot channel yatuber.
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April 13th, 2022 at 2:45:56 PM permalink
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Not inconceivable someone with a really large income could be a slot channel yatuber.



Sure, I'd call it "hedging against reality."

It's not an addiction if YouTube gives you money, eh?
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April 13th, 2022 at 2:53:25 PM permalink
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This Youtubing is like any other fad or craze or mania -- the early participants make the big money and then the late comers get scraps. Eventually the whole thing collapses.

You can't believe any of them.

I used to watch Storage Wars but I got sick of the show when these people started to put high prices on junk.

The same thing with these youtubing gamblers. They're all inflating their success to reel in audience and contributions.

It's like begging for money.
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Super majority of them are not fully transparent. They don’t upload all their play. I guess losing 7 of 10 slot sessions isn’t a way to court viewership. NG was one who claimed he uploaded all his action…but he has diverged from that. Now he shows video of his big roulette or blackjack wins…but never mentions losses. He’s also uploading slot “snippets” (bonus) videos. My guess is they have discovered that hand pays and winning sessions achieve better viewership. Better viewership = more money, more chat donations.
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April 13th, 2022 at 3:11:00 PM permalink
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Super majority of them are not fully transparent. They don’t upload all their play. I guess losing 7 of 10 slot sessions isn’t a way to court viewership. NG was one who claimed he uploaded all his action…but he has diverged from that. Now he shows video of his big roulette or blackjack wins…but never mentions losses. He’s also uploading slot “snippets” (bonus) videos. My guess is they have discovered that hand pays and winning sessions achieve better viewership. Better viewership = more money, more chat donations.
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It's a business. They don't need to be transparent. They don't owe it to you or to anyone to be transparent and show all their losses, UNLESS they are making specific claims that they never lose or something (which I know some Youtubers do). A business adapting their business model to something more profitable is not something that should really be criticized, unless, as I said, they are doing something nefarious or unethical. But if they only show wins, who cares? That's what people want, that's what makes them money, supply and demand, more power to them.
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April 13th, 2022 at 4:45:36 PM permalink
Tiger Wu is correct. The audience wants to see winners especially big winners.

And lately I've noticed that some of the big Youtubers have been creating video highlights of their big wins. I guess that due to a lack of current wins this is what they must do to keep creating new videos.

One particular Youtuber has even started to post short five or ten second videos of big video poker jackpots.

Another has summaries of previous royals hit in 2021.

I cant blame them. Each video has the potential to bring in more money. And it's certainly cheaper to amortize old jackpots than to risk your bankroll trying to get new jackpots.

I'll say it again: it's really a very tough job and a tough business. I'm thankful that I dont have to do it and deal with the pressure.
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