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August 23rd, 2014 at 8:46:39 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

Good.

It's about time.

Now MGM can bring in a new game that everyone can ignore.



True, I think they got more free publicity off of this one machine than anything else there.
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August 23rd, 2014 at 9:10:16 AM permalink
Now trash it.
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August 23rd, 2014 at 9:14:23 AM permalink
Looks like whoever was playing it at the time wasn't going anywhere any time soon; there were either 240 or 302 credits on the meter when it was hit.
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August 23rd, 2014 at 9:17:16 AM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

Looks like whoever was playing it at the time wasn't going anywhere any time soon; there were either 240 or 302 credits on the meter when it was hit.



Take a closer look at the JACKPOT amount what are the first six numbers
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August 23rd, 2014 at 9:24:42 AM permalink
It's my understanding that the machine was "stuck" there was because they couldn't remove a progressive machine off the floor until it was hit. Or rather, if a machine has a progressive and is above the reset value, the game can't be removed.

I wonder what would happen if somehow, after the player hit the jackpot and won all that money....what if he was somehow able to get back on the machine to continue playing. If that somehow happened, would MGM be forced to keep the game on the floor until the progressive went off?
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August 23rd, 2014 at 9:59:56 AM permalink
Quote: coilman

Take a closer look at the JACKPOT amount what are the first six numbers



An amazing coincidence? ;)
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August 23rd, 2014 at 10:52:07 AM permalink
Norm Clarks twitter feed has pix of the winners
https://twitter.com/Norm_Clarke
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August 23rd, 2014 at 11:37:31 AM permalink
This likely saved me $30. Sorry I couldn't collect my data for the Wiz.
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August 23rd, 2014 at 11:43:50 AM permalink
Whats now out there with the biggest slot progressive?
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August 23rd, 2014 at 11:48:12 AM permalink
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
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August 23rd, 2014 at 12:11:38 PM permalink
Quote: sddude24

Norm Clarks twitter feed has pix of the winners
https://twitter.com/Norm_Clarke



What are the odds on a senior citizen lady hitting the jackpot? Probably a chance in a zillion against. They never play slots. (har har)
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August 23rd, 2014 at 12:19:02 PM permalink
it would have been funny if they didn't know any details or history and just sat down at it and began playing. I doubt that was the case
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August 23rd, 2014 at 12:49:28 PM permalink
BTW, what was the word on what will happen to that machine? (settle the old rumors on giving it away)
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August 23rd, 2014 at 12:53:14 PM permalink
What kind of offers did playing the machine a good 8-12 hours generate? Anybody know now it's over?
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August 23rd, 2014 at 12:54:01 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

BTW, what was the word on what will happen to that machine? (settle the old rumors on giving it away)



Offered to the winner for a mere $5000 plus taxes
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August 23rd, 2014 at 1:14:19 PM permalink
Quote: coilman

Offered to the winner for a mere $5000 plus taxes

Casino makes it easier than suing them for the machine. shrewd of them. Still a deal I believe.
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August 23rd, 2014 at 1:20:49 PM permalink


Image from Norm Clark's Twitter page.

Congratulations to the winners. It was fun writing and talking about it, while it lasted.
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August 25th, 2014 at 7:33:45 AM permalink
Quote: rxwine

BTW, what was the word on what will happen to that machine? (settle the old rumors on giving it away)


According to this LVRJ article, MGM is attempting to give the machine to the winner, pending a review of New Hampshire law (the winner's home state).
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August 25th, 2014 at 7:38:00 AM permalink
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According to this LVRJ article, MGM is attempting to give the machine to the winner, pending a review of New Hampshire law (the winner's home state).



While NH has no tribal or other normal, commercial casinos, they do allow Charity Casinos, and I played at one recently.

There were a few table games and some slot-like machines, but the machines were not like the ones in "normal" casinos.

NH Slots
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August 25th, 2014 at 8:48:28 AM permalink
Quote: AcesAndEights

According to this LVRJ article, MGM is attempting to give the machine to the winner, pending a review of New Hampshire law (the winner's home state).



Didn't we agree the winner would sell it on pawn Stars?

I guess they didn't get the memo.
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August 25th, 2014 at 9:04:40 AM permalink
This is a great line from the article: "Misco said the winnings won’t have a huge impact on their lifestyle, but will make a big difference for their children and grandchildren.".....not a lot of folks can say a $1.2 million jackpot (assuming a 50% fed/state tax rate) won't have an impact on their lifestyle!!
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August 25th, 2014 at 9:06:37 AM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

This is a great line from the article: "Misco said the winnings won’t have a huge impact on their lifestyle, but will make a big difference for their children and grandchildren.".....not a lot of folks can say a $1.2 million jackpot (assuming a 50% fed/state tax rate) won't have an impact on their lifestyle!!

When you get to that age you probably have established what kind of lifestyle you want to live/are living, and can't up and change and move to Maui or somesuch. I see a lot of it with the landowners around here who are getting big royalty/bonus checks from oil companies. I wonder how much they'll declare in losses to offset the winnings. They probably need a good accountant ;)
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August 25th, 2014 at 12:13:26 PM permalink
No state taxes so they probably get to keep about $1.5 mil.

It is really not that much money. It's the cost of a very nice home in some parts of the country, a decidedly average home in others. If you are struggling to make ends meet it is obviously a big help, but if you are already comfortably retired with your home paid for, what are you going to do? Maybe buy a boat?
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August 25th, 2014 at 12:18:08 PM permalink
I want the interview of the person playing just before that couple.

I would be annoyed, at least for the rest of the night. Even if I know it makes no difference.
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August 25th, 2014 at 1:34:26 PM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

...what are you going to do?




Probably do a helluva lot more gambling! And at higher levels! LOL!!!

I wonder if MGM will give them an automatic upgrade to Noir? :)

Speaking of small bets that paid off big, right after I saw this news on the ticker a report came across that a 1st issue of Superman fetched over $3MM at auction. what was the original price on that, 5c?
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August 25th, 2014 at 1:45:04 PM permalink
Quote: smokalott

I wonder if MGM will give them an automatic upgrade to Noir? :)



lol, the ultimately elusive players card level.

I know that you need 2M tier credits to even be considered (MLife has confirmed this). I know people with several times that amount who do not have it, though. I strongly suspect that it is based on loss, although I have no idea how much you have to lose in a year. I would guess it's somewhere in the $100k to $500k range.
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August 25th, 2014 at 1:57:43 PM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

lol, the ultimately elusive players card level.

I know that you need 2M tier credits to even be considered (MLife has confirmed this). I know people with several times that amount who do not have it, though. I strongly suspect that it is based on loss, although I have no idea how much you have to lose in a year. I would guess it's somewhere in the $100k to $500k range.



I had it once with only 1MM coin but yeah its 2MM now and "by invitation only". I was not "reinvited". Seriously, I think i wound up on their shitlist of APs or something cause I stopped getting treated very well at their props.
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August 25th, 2014 at 1:59:52 PM permalink
Quote: smokalott

I had it once with only 1MM coin but yeah its 2MM now and "by invitation only". I was not "reinvited". Seriously, I think i wound up on their shitlist of APs or something cause I stopped getting treated very well at their props.



I talked to someone who had over 8M tier credits and didn't get it.

I really think it is based on loss. It has to be. Theo varies on different machines, but not enough that someone with 2M could get it and someone with 8M wouldn't. There must be more to the equation than theo.
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August 25th, 2014 at 2:23:10 PM permalink
that would 'splain everything.

seriously though i never saw any big bennys materialize from having the big card. highly overrated. not like seven seas, thats a card worth having. not that i have it yet but i have diamond and imo its worth a lot more than the noir ever was. i would prob get the high level if only caesers had some decent progressive vp.


anyway, i'm gonna head over to the strip in a few minutes and see if the lions mach is still on the floor, see if i can visit my old pal one last time.
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August 25th, 2014 at 2:30:54 PM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

I talked to someone who had over 8M tier credits and didn't get it.

I really think it is based on loss. It has to be. Theo varies on different machines, but not enough that someone with 2M could get it and someone with 8M wouldn't. There must be more to the equation than theo.



I disagree. I think it is probably based on theo now. That is why we are seeing so few video poker players get it.

If you played $8 million on 9/6 JOB your theo would be: $36,800 if they use the full 99.54%.

if you played $2 million on the crazy penny slots on a 87% game your theo would be: $260,000

Clearly a huge difference between video poker players and slot players.
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August 25th, 2014 at 5:24:25 PM permalink
Quote: smokalott

that would 'splain everything.

seriously though i never saw any big bennys materialize from having the big card. highly overrated. not like seven seas, thats a card worth having. not that i have it yet but i have diamond and imo its worth a lot more than the noir ever was. i would prob get the high level if only caesers had some decent progressive vp.

Oh yah, Seven Stars is freaking insane. I still can't believe how much shit they've given me. Just got invited to a great gift wrap up in Vegas where they give away iPads and such.
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August 25th, 2014 at 5:46:24 PM permalink
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I disagree. I think it is probably based on theo now. That is why we are seeing so few video poker players get it.

If you played $8 million on 9/6 JOB your theo would be: $36,800 if they use the full 99.54%.

if you played $2 million on the crazy penny slots on a 87% game your theo would be: $260,000

Clearly a huge difference between video poker players and slot players.



I PMed you with more details, but this misses a key point.

Slots is $3 coin-in per base slot point
VP is $10 coin-in per base slot point
1 base slot pt earned = 10 TC.

So to get 2M TC you only need $600k coin-in at slots. We we are looking at theos in the $60k range.

And we both know full well that the theo on the VP machines is not set to .46%

There is a huge difference in theo per dollar coin-in between slots and VP, but not such a huge difference in terms of theo per tier credit earned. There is still a difference, but not a 4x difference. The fact that slot players earn pts at 3.3x the rate makes up for most of the gap.

So it can't just be total theo. Maybe ADT, with a minimum total?
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August 25th, 2014 at 6:16:14 PM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

I PMed you with more details, but this misses a key point.

Slots is $3 coin-in per base slot point
VP is $10 coin-in per base slot point
1 base slot pt earned = 10 TC.

So to get 2M TC you only need $600k coin-in at slots. We we are looking at theos in the $60k range.

And we both know full well that the theo on the VP machines is not set to .46%

There is a huge difference in theo per dollar coin-in between slots and VP, but not such a huge difference in terms of theo per tier credit earned. There is still a difference, but not a 4x difference. The fact that slot players earn pts at 3.3x the rate makes up for most of the gap.

So it can't just be total theo. Maybe ADT, with a minimum total?

Depends on how good looking you are. Invitation only just a stupid way of saying in case there isn't something we thought of or in case we don't like you.
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August 25th, 2014 at 6:29:48 PM permalink
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Depends on how good looking you are. Invitation only just a stupid way of saying in case there isn't something we thought of or in case we don't like you.



Naah, it's more than that. Out of all the people I know with > 2M TC (not a huge sample, but not tiny, either) less than 50% got "invited" for noir. Among people with about the same amount and type of play, it's not consistent, either, which makes me think that loss is a factor.

And, trust me, these folks are all butt-ugly :)
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August 25th, 2014 at 6:36:24 PM permalink
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Oh yah, Seven Stars is freaking insane. I still can't believe how much shit they've given me. Just got invited to a great gift wrap up in Vegas where they give away iPads and such.



Can I ask what game you played, mostly, to get to 7-star? I've been thinking of making a run at it, but $1.5M coin-in (at VP) is a lot.
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August 25th, 2014 at 7:21:19 PM permalink
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Can I ask what game you played, mostly, to get to 7-star? I've been thinking of making a run at it, but $1.5M coin-in (at VP) is a lot.



$1.5M? What about Tier Credit Bonuses?
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August 25th, 2014 at 7:34:21 PM permalink
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$1.5M? What about Tier Credit Bonuses?



What's this now? How do you get those?
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August 25th, 2014 at 8:31:16 PM permalink
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What's this now? How do you get those?



2500 TCs earned in a day equals 7500 TCs, or 5000 TCs earned in a day equals 15,000 TCs. The minimum amount of VP coin-in to make 7 Stars is $500k as a result.
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August 25th, 2014 at 8:34:36 PM permalink
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2500 TCs earned in a day equals 7500 TCs, or 5000 TCs earned in a day equals 15,000 TCs. The minimum amount of VP coin-in to make 7 Stars is $500k as a result.



Is that any day? Or on special days?

I have never played at a TR property; I did not see anything about that on the web site.
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August 25th, 2014 at 8:40:52 PM permalink
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Is that any day? Or on special days?

I have never played at a TR property; I did not see anything about that on the web site.



Anyday.

https://www.totalrewards.com/TotalRewards/RewardsAndBenefits.do?page=trBenefits
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August 25th, 2014 at 8:48:41 PM permalink
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Anyday.

https://www.totalrewards.com/TotalRewards/RewardsAndBenefits.do?page=trBenefits



Oh, wow, that is awesome. Thanks!
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August 25th, 2014 at 10:33:59 PM permalink
When the casino mentioned the machine made 5x the money than their average machine in a day, how much would actually be profit and not just money owed to the jackpot? It's a confusing question but I wonder.
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August 26th, 2014 at 7:45:59 AM permalink
It's time to let go of this progressive and find the next one that's "due" to pay "soon." And to start a Facebook page for it and publicize it. For those of you who are local, it's your civic duty to drum up business for your beloved home town. Is it not?
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August 26th, 2014 at 8:53:53 AM permalink
Quote: Nareed

It's time to let go of this progressive and find the next one that's "due" to pay "soon." And to start a Facebook page for it and publicize it. For those of you who are local, it's your civic duty to drum up business for your beloved home town. Is it not?



It seems a good way to get free publicity, make the big jackpots harder to hit so they climb higher before hitting. Just as the states do with the lottery, keep adding more numbers so its harder to hit the big one.
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August 26th, 2014 at 5:37:51 PM permalink
Quote: Nareed

It's time to let go of this progressive and find the next one that's "due" to pay "soon." And to start a Facebook page for it and publicize it. For those of you who are local, it's your civic duty to drum up business for your beloved home town. Is it not?



You might not "get it."

Lion's Share was popular only because it really stretched the laws of probability in taking so very, very long to finally hit.

Nobody really gives a rat's patooie about just another progressive slot.
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August 27th, 2014 at 5:25:09 AM permalink
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