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June 17th, 2018 at 6:50:12 PM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

My standardbred is making her debut tonight at Hawthorne.

Notnangel - Race 2.

Wish me luck.






3rd place. You got a check but not sure if you expected more. He went off 2nd favorite but his last quarter was a bit slow. Two year old fillies take some time to learn to race. That was an excellent purse for the race.
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June 17th, 2018 at 7:48:51 PM permalink
Overall, Iím happy. It was a stakes race. Even if it was just for 2 year old Illinois fillies. So sheís stakes placed in her first start. Pretty cool.

She had to ship from Canada, and was a little banged up.

I think she moves forward from this and is a definite player in the division.

I was hoping sheíd hold 2nd. But she probably made enough money where I donít have to write a check next month. So thatís a definite positive.

Her next race will be 6/28.
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June 17th, 2018 at 8:09:12 PM permalink
She was definitely in it, based on the times. 1 sec off the pace, 2/10 sec out of 2nd. Congrats!
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June 17th, 2018 at 9:06:08 PM permalink
I am sure I will bet her to show next time.
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June 27th, 2018 at 4:20:06 AM permalink
the Queen's Plate stakes is at Woodbine this Saturday. it is the first leg of Canada's version of the Triple Crown.
likely 16 runners which should mean some sweet payouts
total of 5 stakes races on the card for Saturday
definitely worth taking a look IMO

http://www.drf.com/news/solid-field-16-likely-queens-plate
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June 27th, 2018 at 4:49:45 PM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

the Queen's Plate stakes is at Woodbine this Saturday. it is the first leg of Canada's version of the Triple Crown.
likely 16 runners which should mean some sweet payouts
total of 5 stakes races on the card for Saturday
definitely worth taking a look IMO

http://www.drf.com/news/solid-field-16-likely-queens-plate


Great Canadian race. Some girls vs the boys. The 2 girls entered do get a 5 lb weight break. I like the grey Strike Me Down (#4). GLTA
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June 27th, 2018 at 5:48:36 PM permalink
Quote: speedycrap

I am sure I will bet her to show next time.



Tomorrow is your chance. Notnangel race 4 - Hawthorne.
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June 27th, 2018 at 7:19:02 PM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

Tomorrow is your chance. Notnangel race 4 - Hawthorne.


Standardbreds are still a bit of a mystery to me. It is great they can race more often. More opportunities to win $$ for owners. But what is up with trot vs pace? Can horses do both?
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June 27th, 2018 at 11:29:57 PM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

Tomorrow is your chance. Notnangel race 4 - Hawthorne.

Got it thanks. Is it a 1-5 shot please?
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June 27th, 2018 at 11:58:35 PM permalink
Quote: Keeneone

Standardbreds are still a bit of a mystery to me. It is great they can race more often. More opportunities to win $$ for owners. But what is up with trot vs pace? Can horses do both?




when they pace the right side legs touch down at the same time then the left.....they go faster.


when they trot the front left and back right touch down at the same time and then the front right and back left.
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June 28th, 2018 at 4:05:29 AM permalink
years ago I read a book on standardbreds which stated that pacer favorites win more often than thoroughbred favorites because the races are less stressful and they can recover more easily. if I remember correctly the book said that pacer favorites win about 37% of the time.
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June 28th, 2018 at 4:24:56 AM permalink
Quote: speedycrap

Got it thanks. Is it a 1-5 shot please?



Opposite. 5-1 morning line. 1-5 shots are dangerous because they can break stride. Trotters more so than pacers. And 2 year olds more than experienced horses.

And trotters donít pace, and pacers donít trot.
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June 28th, 2018 at 4:49:02 AM permalink
Quote: ontariodealer

when they pace the right side legs touch down at the same time then the left.....they go faster.


when they trot the front left and back right touch down at the same time and then the front right and back left.



Quote: FinsRule

Opposite. 5-1 morning line. 1-5 shots are dangerous because they can break stride. Trotters more so than pacers. And 2 year olds more than experienced horses.

And trotters donít pace, and pacers donít trot.



Thank you both for a couple of really cool things I never knew before. Good way to start the day!
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June 28th, 2018 at 4:51:28 AM permalink
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Opposite. 5-1 morning line.




I'm curious Fin. your horse is breaking from post # 6. so will your guy try to get him as close to the rail as early as possible to save ground?

or will he let him settle back and try for a late rally even if he has to rally wide?
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June 28th, 2018 at 9:49:04 AM permalink
Done betting. $6 show on 6 horse . To show some support to Fin. Go Fin Go.,,,😁😁😁😁😁
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June 28th, 2018 at 10:58:42 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Thank you both for a couple of really cool things I never knew before. Good way to start the day!


I learned today as well.
Thanks to all for the answers to my basic harness questions.

USTA - United States Tennis Association
USTA - United States Trotting Association
UTSA - University of Texas at San Antonio (I took a few classes here)

Hopefully Fin's filly trots her way to a nice paycheck...
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June 28th, 2018 at 12:47:03 PM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

I'm curious Fin. your horse is breaking from post # 6. so will your guy try to get him as close to the rail as early as possible to save ground?

or will he let him settle back and try for a late rally even if he has to rally wide?



I think the goal is to maybe pass a slow breaker or two and be in a comfortable 4th for the first half mile. Then around the far turn, hopefully someone tips out and she can get that perfect 2nd over trip. Then at the 3/4 mark, hopefully the first over horse clears and she can get some momentum going and catch her in the end.
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June 28th, 2018 at 6:35:19 PM permalink
Next time they should get a professional driver instead of that garbage. She hadnít broken stride in training in six months.

I want to use profanity right now.
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June 29th, 2018 at 12:48:16 AM permalink
I feel sorry for my $6.
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June 29th, 2018 at 5:36:40 AM permalink
Fin, do you have any say in who drives the horse?
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July 7th, 2018 at 6:30:21 PM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

the Queen's Plate stakes is at Woodbine this Saturday. it is the first leg of Canada's version of the Triple Crown.
likely 16 runners which should mean some sweet payouts
total of 5 stakes races on the card for Saturday
definitely worth taking a look IMO

http://www.drf.com/news/solid-field-16-likely-queens-plate

The filly Wonder Gadot won this clear from the rest as the favorite.


Quote: Keeneone

Great Canadian race. Some girls vs the boys. The 2 girls entered do get a 5 lb weight break. I like the grey Strike Me Down (#4). GLTA

SMD finished 4th.
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July 7th, 2018 at 7:38:17 PM permalink
I have no say on who drives. She races again with the same driver in 15 minutes.
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July 7th, 2018 at 7:43:50 PM permalink
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I have no say on who drives. She races again with the same driver in 15 minutes.

Wow, quick turnaround with the trotters. GL
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July 11th, 2018 at 3:24:22 PM permalink
Total of $124,109 Bet To Win on Firenze Fire in Last 36 Seconds of Dwyer Wagering

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The dramatic late drop in the odds on Firenze Fire (Poseidonís Warrior) in Saturdayís GIII Dwyer S. at Belmont was the result of $124,109 being wagered on the horse to win within 36 seconds of betting being shut off before the race, the TDN has learned from a reliable source.

Though the Jason Servis-trained 3-year-old was ultra-impressive winning the race by nine lengths, the betting on the Dwyer has drawn a lot more attention than the horseís performance. That is because the NYRA feed showed Firenze Fire at 5-1 as the field left the gate and then the horse was 5-2 when the odds were updated about 20 seconds after the race began...<SNIP>...

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July 17th, 2018 at 9:38:25 AM permalink
nyrabets.com is currently offering a bet $200 get $200 promotion
it's the best promotion I've seen in a long time
no show bets allowed
I don't think I missed any other major stipulations but anybody who does it should double check
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July 17th, 2018 at 10:11:12 AM permalink
I think thatís their normal promotion. Iíll do it eventually.
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July 17th, 2018 at 1:24:30 PM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

I think thatís their normal promotion. Iíll do it eventually.



the terms and conditions page (linked) states that the promo is from 7/16 thru 8/18

https://www.nyrabets.com/#sign-up-bonus
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July 26th, 2018 at 3:58:25 AM permalink
this Saturday is a nice day for racing fans.

there's a G1 sprint at Del Mar and at Saratoga there is a G1 sprint and 2 G2 routes one turf and one dirt. Okay, I'm interested.
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July 26th, 2018 at 4:36:43 AM permalink
Sunday is Haskell Day too. So I'll be paying attention this weekend.

My horses had a good weekend last weekend - 2 2nd place finishes. Makes me feel a little more confident about their futures.
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July 26th, 2018 at 5:55:11 AM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

Sunday is Haskell Day too. So I'll be paying attention this weekend.

My horses had a good weekend last weekend - 2 2nd place finishes. Makes me feel a little more confident about their futures.



Nice results! GL on building a winning record.

I'm remembering a couple years back when you led a discussion on shares in a WoV horse. Seems like, if you find a really promising colt, that might be revived? Or not, as you like.
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July 26th, 2018 at 6:18:38 PM permalink
I would love to try the WOV horse idea again. The issues would be the monthly bill and picking what jurisdiction weíd want to get a horse from.

We would probably need $500 to cover 1% of a horse and the horses expenses for a year.
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July 26th, 2018 at 11:05:08 PM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

I would love to try the WOV horse idea again. The issues would be the monthly bill and picking what jurisdiction weíd want to get a horse from.

We would probably need $500 to cover 1% of a horse and the horses expenses for a year.

It sounds interesting and fun.
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July 27th, 2018 at 3:59:00 AM permalink
Ok, if people are interested, you can just answer these three questions and once/if we hit $500, we can pick a horse.

1) Are you interested in a thoroughbred or standardbred or is either fine?

2) Does it matter where the horse is likely to race? If so, where would the horse need to race for you to be interested?

3) How much are you willing to contribute? I'm not sure whether or not to make the minimum $25 or $50.

$500 would cover the purchase price of 1% of a horse and expenses for one year. After that year, if the horse did not make money, you would still be responsible for monthly payments (it's about $25 a month for 1% of a horse).

I'm willing to contribute $100, and I don't really care about the rest.
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July 28th, 2018 at 2:09:41 PM permalink
Imperial Hint just dominated his competition at Saratoga (6f, G1, 1:08.98). Got about 4-5 lengths of a lead and wasn't even ridden out.

He placed in last year's BC sprint. Appears to still have it and worth keeping your eye on. On the smaller side.
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July 29th, 2018 at 2:46:33 AM permalink
I won a bet on Roy H in the Bing Crosby, he got 2nd, but this horse is not what he once was and I won't bet him again.
he won the BC Sprint last year and I had bet on him a couple of times and was extremely impressed by him
he got 3rd in a Dubai Stakes and his trainer mouthed the usual BS about him probably not liking the long trip and the surface
he had good workouts so I went with him yesterday and it was a slow final time for a G1 at Del Mar and Roy didn't have his usual turbo booster
he was one of my favorites but not any more. I'll have to look for another ATM.
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July 29th, 2018 at 6:47:57 AM permalink
Wonder Gadot is confirmed for the Travers. I've been a big fan of hers for a while. I had a lot of money on her in the Oaks. I thought she had it, and I still think she was interfered with.
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July 29th, 2018 at 7:18:28 AM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

Ok, if people are interested, you can just answer these three questions and once/if we hit $500, we can pick a horse.

1) Are you interested in a thoroughbred or standardbred or is either fine?

2) Does it matter where the horse is likely to race? If so, where would the horse need to race for you to be interested?

3) How much are you willing to contribute? I'm not sure whether or not to make the minimum $25 or $50.

$500 would cover the purchase price of 1% of a horse and expenses for one year. After that year, if the horse did not make money, you would still be responsible for monthly payments (it's about $25 a month for 1% of a horse).

I'm willing to contribute $100, and I don't really care about the rest.

My answers are. 1- Anything with 4 legs and a tail will be fine.
2-Anywhere in the world. 3-$100 for me.
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July 29th, 2018 at 11:14:25 AM permalink
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Wonder Gadot is confirmed for the Travers. I've been a big fan of hers for a while. I had a lot of money on her in the Oaks. I thought she had it, and I still think she was interfered with.



I haven't done well betting females against males. Wonder Gadot has already beaten the boys. Many say no reason to hold back. But now I'm gun shy.
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August 18th, 2018 at 1:56:06 AM permalink
Winx wins again. Most consecutive wins by a horse in a major jurisdiction ever.

Amazing.
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August 18th, 2018 at 9:40:13 PM permalink
I thought I'd mention that Northlands Park ran its last regular thoroughbred races today.

Next week is the 89th Canadian Derby, and then once harness racing concludes in October, the track will close permanently after 118 years on the same site.
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August 23rd, 2018 at 4:53:46 AM permalink
who do you guys like in the Travers on Saturday?

Firenze Fire, race 6, a long sprint, showed a huge jump in speed figures (equibase) in his last time out. I guess I'm going with him unless he's crushed way down.
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August 23rd, 2018 at 7:50:08 AM permalink
If Gronkowskis odds float up a bit, Iíd take a swing st him.

I have Bravazo at 33-1 on Bovada so Iíll be rooting for him.

Hopefully the 1 horse can win in the 8th at Arlington today.
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August 23rd, 2018 at 10:49:58 AM permalink
Do you know if any of Vegas Sports book horse wagers goes into the parli mutual pool or do they book the bets and pay you track payouts? If I see 80% of money on a horse to show.. I would put a lot of money show on the other horses and just pray that the 80% horse runs out.. But if my money goes back into the pool.. Then the payouts will be lower

Would love to know if all or which sports book actually book horse wagers
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August 23rd, 2018 at 10:55:40 AM permalink
Quote: RacebookPlayer

Do you know if any of Vegas Sports book horse wagers goes into the parli mutual pool or do they book the bets and pay you track payouts? If I see 80% of money on a horse to show.. I would put a lot of money show on the other horses and just pray that the 80% horse runs out.. But if my money goes back into the pool.. Then the payouts will be lower

Would love to know if all or which sports book actually book horse wagers

They are parimutuel, transmitting wagers directly into track pools.
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August 23rd, 2018 at 11:07:24 AM permalink
Thanks.. Good to know.. I normally play big horse wagers with the online offshore Sportsbook
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August 23rd, 2018 at 11:26:09 AM permalink
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Thanks.. Good to know.. I normally play big horse wagers with the online offshore Sportsbook

There are some future wagers and propositions which are booked in house as sportsbook action with fixed price tickets on major events like the Breeders Cup and KY Derby and Oaks. Sometmes there are arbitrage opportunties involving those.

But not the regular WPS race wagers. Those routine horseracing bets all go through a wagering hub operated by a statewide consortium called Las Vegas Dissemination Co. per contracts with the tracks.
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August 24th, 2018 at 4:21:49 AM permalink
here are free PPs for the Travers and other stakes races Saturday at Saratoga. click on ultimate PPs under the race #

I thought Gronkowski was just getting hyped because of his name but he is 2nd or 1st in his last 6 races.
it's hard to know what to make of his allowance races in Europe. anybody have a clue?
he came running late in the Belmont Stakes. is he a plodder who took advantage of the wall of speed collapsing? that's what I would guess.

throw out the Preakness and Good Magic looks like an ATM to be in the money.

NBC is broadcasting the Travers live. that's nice. better than a computer screen.


http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/briswatch.cgi/public/ToddPletcher/PLETCHER+TODD+A/9999/summary.htm
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August 24th, 2018 at 7:55:02 PM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

-snip-
Hopefully the 1 horse can win in the 8th at Arlington today.


4th place finish for her. Not what you hoped for, but with the scratches a payday was earned. :)



Quote: lilredrooster

who do you guys like in the Travers on Saturday?

Firenze Fire, race 6, a long sprint, showed a huge jump in speed figures (equibase) in his last time out. I guess I'm going with him unless he's crushed way down.


I did not handicap it but I want an 8-9 finish. Mendelssohn over Good Magic (the way I wished the 2018 Derby would have finished). Maybe Wonder Gadot for 3rd. Awesome Filly. GL
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August 25th, 2018 at 3:31:10 AM permalink
My filly jogged around the track on the poly.

Theyíre going to try her back on turf, hopefully in 6 days.
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September 8th, 2018 at 2:41:59 AM permalink
one time I was in an OTB in Delmar, NY.
I went to the counter to buy a program or a DRF form.
they didn't sell them
I looked around. all the guys were betting without a program or a form
I had to walk to a bookstore half a mile away to get a form.


these horse players broke new ground
typically, at an OTB I might see one or two betting without a program
but this was the whole place - about 25 guys - no programs or forms.
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