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rektfast
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May 9th, 2022 at 4:16:31 PM permalink
In slots they say the best strategy is to play the highest denomination possible. Probably the same is true for VP. Also, only playing a low number of hands makes fat-fingers and wrong inputs much less of a problem. What's the highest credit version of video poker? $50 a hand or something? I believe the optimal strategy would require as high of a wager as possible
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May 9th, 2022 at 4:20:32 PM permalink
Quote: rektfast

In slots they say the best strategy is to play the highest denomination possible. Probably the same is true for VP. Also, only playing a low number of hands makes fat-fingers and wrong inputs much less of a problem. What's the highest credit version of video poker? $50 a hand or something? I believe the optimal strategy would require as high of a wager as possible
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Wow. Not even worth the effort.
ChumpChange
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May 9th, 2022 at 4:28:06 PM permalink
The pay table determines whether you get a favorable HA%. You might find worse pay tables at lower denominations, but you walk into a convenience store and get 6/5 $1 JoB, you should skip that game no matter the denomination.
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May 9th, 2022 at 4:33:47 PM permalink
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The pay table determines whether you get a favorable HA%. You might find worse pay tables at lower denominations, but you walk into a convenience store and get 6/5 $1 JoB, you should skip that game no matter the denomination.
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That's not always true. It depends on what class machine you are playing. VP machines in NY show regular 9/6 payouts but payout under 90%. It's because they are video lottery terminals, not games of skill.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
ChumpChange
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May 9th, 2022 at 4:57:14 PM permalink
I very rarely visit a racino so I don't know what their pay table is, but $600 payouts might be taxable?
I might expect the pay table to be 7/5 or 8/5 JoB, might see 8/6 on $1 denoms.

Meanwhile, another Royal Miss!


On my last 50 credits I missed hitting a Straight Flush 3 times!






So instead of getting way back up to 750 or 1,000 credits, I lost them all and went down swinging. I'll have to refresh the page to start a new game, or take a damn break.
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rektfast
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May 9th, 2022 at 5:33:35 PM permalink
Well if the game is unwinnable in the long term because of house edge then obviously the correct move must be to play as few hands as possible. I believe everyone has theorycrafted VP incorrectly. There is no "long run."

Maybe the optimal decision is to play one hand and then use your winnings to buy stock in the casino
Brickapotamus
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May 9th, 2022 at 6:44:40 PM permalink
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If it is based on an atomic clock or whatever you could probably rig the RNG by pulling the lever at equal milliseconds apart, right? People say slot machines tend to give out hand pays the same day and time over and over which implies it is not randomized properly
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If slot machines gave out hand pays the same day and time over and over again that would be wonderful!

They would be very easy to beat.
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May 9th, 2022 at 7:28:35 PM permalink
There is some real VOODOO flowing in this thread. :/ Unless you play one of those jurisdictions where video poker machines aren't really video poker machines, but instead class 3 slots, most of the things discussed would be illegal in most jurisdictions. And if you are playing one of those places where VP machines are really class 3 slot....stop playing.

Former member here Rob Singer has a progressive wagering strategy where he is employs what he calls 'special plays' or less optimal plays trying to hit quads at the expense of Royals. It is a bad and losing strategy.

And our own Alan Mendelson is a big proponent of "quitting while ahead". He has started many discussions on this topic on numerous forums in the last 10 years. This too is not a real or winning strategy.

So what could go wrong with putting these two voodoo, losing strategies together? Two negatives equals a plus right? :)
rektfast
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May 9th, 2022 at 7:30:18 PM permalink
But they do. Gamblers know there are irregularities with slot machine RNG. What those are is up for debate.

Rob Singer sounds like he had the same idea. Is there some way to make a side-bet to improve your VP odds? There must be some advantage opportunities people haven't thought of.

I'm also skeptical of Player's Rewards cards to the point that I think facial recognition could be used by the casino to keep track of whether you're an AP or a fish and adjust the machines accordingly.

As an aside, I know serious gamblers and pro poker players personally who believe astrology influences their performance at tournaments. After the pandemic practice shutdowns, machines were infamously looser because casinos had to make their payout percentages in time for the end of the quarter.

If you already have a 99.4% RTP machine and start adding on weird superstitious stuff like that, you could theoretically make VP beatable.
Brickapotamus
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May 9th, 2022 at 7:53:24 PM permalink
I recall reading about people who sell systems to beat slots by playing them at the same time everyday once you've determined what time of day the machine hits.

Iíve always wondered why those people sell that system instead of going out and playing those machines themselves at the right time each day to become millionaires.

Also once the word gets out to too many people wouldnít casinos have trouble staying in business if people just play the machines only at the time they pay a jackpot?

Either that or itís possible that there is a lot of misinformation out there and slot machines arenít actually exploitable to play at the same time everyday.

You would think that if it was true people would just do it & keep it quiet instead of selling the information or discussing it all the time,

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