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rektfast
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May 20th, 2022 at 9:52:56 AM permalink
Yeah I don't think VP has enough volatility to make a living but if you apply the VP profits to angle-shooting high-limit slots I think you can make a profit.

5 spin method, going on off-peak hours after holidays, leaving the casino after your first hand pay, and doing stuff like resetting pity timers by printing a voucher and removing your player card can probably make VP positive.

I personally believe that video poker is just as rigged as slot machines and playing the same machine for a long period of time is rigged to make you lose. Probably once your session is in the green you should pull your money out and switch to another machine and repeat the process
MypowerinMyhead
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May 20th, 2022 at 10:09:24 AM permalink
Rek, i think your thinking too much into it, there are cold machines and hot machines just like there are hot and cold streaks on baccarat/roulette table problem you wont know before hand which machine/table is running hot for you or cold, some machines can play for hours on end with little to no money and other machines will eat 20$ buy ins like you just got robbed like 100$ an hr you will be looking around like who took your money well its the ebb n flow per machine per dice roll, hitting that deal button on that nano second seperates you doubling your buy in or losing all, i dont believe those poker machines follow same sense as 5 spin method i believe its 1 long dice roll played with cards instead of dice.
ThatDonGuy
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May 20th, 2022 at 10:28:54 AM permalink
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Pixel perfect one-frame inputs are not that difficult to do. People play Tekken and hit EWGFs all the time. Has anyone tried playing VP or slots with a millisecond timer and trying to hit the button at equal intervals until they find a timing that produces positive RTP?
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I don't think milliseconds is good enough. I have heard stories about people who had "accuracy" to within a tenth of a millisecond, but even with "only" a 1 MHz clock, that's still just a 1/100 chance. Of course, having a 1/100 chance of a payout much greater than that is asking for trouble, which is why I am under the impression that the RNG is not periodic, or at least not periodic in terms of when a jackpot/Royal hits.

With a truly periodic RNG, once you know when a Royal is dealt, it should be dealt again every 2,598,960 cycles. On the other hand, if the period is, say, 1 million times that, but you divide the value by 2.6 million and round down (if you take the remainder, then the original cycle occurs), then there will be 1 million Royals in spades dealt every 2.6 trillion cycles, but they will not all be 2.6 million cycles apart.
MypowerinMyhead
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May 20th, 2022 at 10:32:47 AM permalink
are you saying the speed (how fast or how slow) has an impact on your bankroll? producing more winning hands vs losing hands? if you are saying that (im saying you are)
then everyone would be playing top speed and making mistakes and killing there ev in the game =/ nothing has proven speed of play has any merit towards the game.
rektfast
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May 20th, 2022 at 10:42:08 AM permalink
Yes but I'm saying the opposite. If the game has less than 100% RTP then the only way to win is to stop playing, not play forever. It's a fact that playing penny slots is worse than playing high-limit slots even if you spend the same amount of money on each. So VP for say $100 a hand and then quitting when you hit a full house or something would probably be better than chasing royals at $1 a hand.

As for the timing attacks, I don't know if the way the RNG works is a trade secret but I've seen slot mechanics discuss this sort of thing before. The "shuffler" probably works the same way Hearthstone and Magic Arena do, which is to say not at all.
MypowerinMyhead
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May 20th, 2022 at 10:49:07 AM permalink
i do not understand when you use example 100$ per hand and quitting when hit a full house, could you enlarge on that? bet more win more end of story, if your saying a royal should pay 40 grand since its 1 over 40k then yea play 50$ a turn and get that 40k jackpot but it does not matter since we can convert our play to smaller denom 1cent, 1 dollar, 10 dollar and so on burns down to the same chances of a winning dice hand or a losing dice hand 45 will be winners and 55 will be losers on the average.
ThatDonGuy
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May 20th, 2022 at 10:50:34 AM permalink
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With a truly periodic RNG, once you know when a Royal is dealt, it should be dealt again every 2,598,960 cycles. On the other hand, if the period is, say, 1 million times that, but you divide the value by 2.6 million and round down (if you take the remainder, then the original cycle occurs), then there will be 1 million Royals in spades dealt every 2.6 trillion cycles, but they will not all be 2.6 million cycles apart.
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Here's an example of what I mean. Suppose the probability of getting a Royal Flush on a deal was 1 / 625,000. I constructed a periodic RNG of period 250,000,000 where the number is divided by 400 and rounded down so you have an equal chance of getting a number between 0 and 624,999, with 0 being a Royal Flush, and here are the number of periods needed between each two consecutive Royal Flushes for the first 50:

1,785,655
183,129
306,653
1,737,321
759,712
58,046
1,828,260
505,900
133,462
234,360
53,291
636,224
1,279,975
367,831
360,856
898,661
1,126,068
139,280
189,376
102,573
124,813
972,050
857,174
311,552
460,016
1,066,592
1,848,028
1,680,236
267,832
244,527
37,134
54,245
730,636
690,317
265,622
309,102
233,245
841,440
406,358
196,001
898,774
1,831,063
627,831
289,199
1,317,883
959,603
759,753
1,595,736
1,956,617
179,035


In other words, the first Royal comes up in the 1,785,655th number generated, the second comes up 183,129 numbers after that, the third 306,653 after that, and so on.
Note that every number from 0 to 624,999 comes up 400 times in every 250 million consecutive periods, and whenever a number does appear, it will appear again exactly 250 million periods later.
rektfast
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May 20th, 2022 at 10:51:32 AM permalink
Exactly, that would also be why people have observed slot machines hitting at the same times of day over and over again.
MypowerinMyhead
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May 20th, 2022 at 11:01:44 AM permalink
you do realize video poker is a funny bird, IGT atlantic city resorts video poker machine gave me a 630 credit finish with a 80 credit buy in that was a lousy 96% deuces wild machine, to climb to 630 credit with a 80 credit buy in i could not duplicate home video poker software nor the big dogs such as frugal or winpoker 6 cant do it however boris video poker on android spits out winners like theres no tomorrow on a 94% machine! it does exhibit royal flush streaks that stand out, i only continue to play on after a royal same day same machine and i did get royal flush twice within 15-20min of each other, never seen that happen on my manual play app except boris, and i only played on cause my wife lost my money which was a good thing too cause ended a bigger winner that trip, i usualy do like to go home a winner if i can even tho it doesnt tamper with the long run of things, i just find it those 2 things stand out, running up a 530 credit winner w/o the aid of 4 ducks or royal or hit 2 royals very close to one another, i emailed him about that software and his reply was "random number generator" its random as far as i dont know what cards are coming out but not random enough asking wheres the house edge at?=/ this other app i played 25k hands no 4 aces with kicker no royal and down 3200$ i kinda got depressed after that and quit
MypowerinMyhead
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May 20th, 2022 at 11:11:49 AM permalink
Don, what is the possibiltiies of hitting 3 royals with a constraint bankroll?
that John guy claimed to do it and went home a winner 100k cash, ive hit 2 royals within 20min each other, once in ac and other in pa but i dont play hardcore like most video poker players.

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