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Mission146
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February 3rd, 2022 at 7:48:25 AM permalink
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As you noted whether you get caught with just two or two hundred, you get the same treatment.

So what does it matter?

Hit em and hit em hard so at least the backroom and your traveling is worth it

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As you mentioned, they confiscated cards that they didn't even know had anything to do with you...so even though all of the cards can be considered, "Hot," you also gave them some cards that they didn't know were associated with anything along those lines.

Furthermore, if not all of the cards are hot and you can get someone to go in and try to get in and out for a very high percentage who you have made aware will almost definitely be backroomed (eventually), then it's easier to keep track of what cards are made if you are only in there with a few at a time.

I'd also have a tendency to spread out my exposure to different shifts, and what have you, rather than trying to get ten done in one go. That said, maybe your operation is just so big that you've got to do what you've got to do.

You drop mid four figures on several classic pinball machines and drive across the country to do it and I drive an economy sedan with over 90k miles, so don't think I'm trying to tell you your business; just giving my input.

Anyway, I look forward to hearing the rest! My treatment was a little different, probably owing to my size. I had five of them surrounding me almost instantly and they cut me off before I could even get to the ticket redemption machine. They were remarkably efficient and cut off all possible escape paths really quickly, so I have to admit to being impressed with that aspect of their operation that day.

Also, my AC thing was part of what I assume was also a big operation. Same thing with my trespass at one of the casinos near me. In terms of MC'ing, I've never been trespassed due to anything that I have done just in my individual capacity, but my operations (if they can even be called that) are much smaller.
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February 3rd, 2022 at 8:08:47 AM permalink
I should also mention that many casinos in AC, at least at one time (I wouldn't know now), did not activate the Free Play offers (or give you the ability to activate at the kiosk) until the mid-afternoon, so I could see where that would also be limiting. My assumption there is that they probably didn't want to make it easy, even for recreational players, to take advantage of easy, "Crossover Days," which means you have Free Play on your card one day and then on the next. Some casinos start FP offers in the morning and any FP on card is available during the entire, "Gaming Day," which, for some casinos, doesn't end until the start of the next Gaming Day.

What that means is that, for a person who doesn't mind getting up early for a crossover day...suppose the Gaming Day changes at 6:00a.m., then you could arrive at 5:00a.m. and do the Free Play pickup for that Gaming Day and, an hour later, do the pickups for the following Gaming Day, which is why that is called, "Crossover." Other casinos can sometimes have the free play load in the morning, but it ends at midnight...which still makes for a decent crossover day if you are either staying there or don't mind being up all night or have other things you can do in the interim.

Again, I don't know if any AC casinos still do it that way or if GN was ever one of them. I was, "No-Mailed," at GN several years ago, but they did not trespass or backroom me. I just don't recall when their Free Play loaded...I think sometime in the early afternoon, but I couldn't swear to it.
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February 3rd, 2022 at 8:37:01 AM permalink
Mission,

Golden Nugget had the best crossover. The 6am thing.

As to handing over even the cards the supervisor hadn't named, you have a good point and any other casino I probably would have stood quiet and kept them under wraps.

I knew why I was caught at golden Nugget and it wasn't because I personally was hot.

It's because their hosts keep close monitoring of the high offers. I'm pretty certain it's automated. That is, a player who takes Freeplay without significant action comes up on a Host computer who then monitors the action for a few days and let's security/surveillance be warned of any red flags.

I was trying to get around this with extra gambling camouflage but there comes a point where you wind up making no money.

Hence, giving up the unnamed cards made no difference. At best they would have been flagged within days. And paying someone to do the pickups for just a few cards plus extra gambling (and putting them in danger of being backroomed) just would not have made sense.
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February 3rd, 2022 at 10:18:13 AM permalink
Okay so on with part two:

June 2019

There I was in the Golden Nugget backroom being told I was held for theft pertaining to use of other people's players cards and trespassing.

I argued I had never been trespassed at Golden Nugget and they had no proof to show I was.

The security supervisor declared they did have proof.

I pointed out I had never signed a trespassing document at which point the supervisor stated I had been verbally trespassed twice and they had the video surveillance proof that security had approached me on these two occasions.

And indeed, I had been surrounded by security on two prior occasions. So here is where it begins to get complicated and requiring a few time jumps.

So with me in the backroom at Golden Nugget in June 2019, let's do a Hollywood style dissolve to...

SCREEN DISSOLVES TO THREE YEARS PRIOR, DECEMBER 2016.

December 2016, the Golden Nugget had a promotion for new members and that included non-active members which I assumed I would qualify for as it had been two years of inactivity on my card.

I had stayed away from the Golden Nugget since 2014. In 2014 I had a pretty good operation there making what was good money for me at the time although it pales to what I am used to now. I was only in my third year of AP.

FLASHBACK WITHIN A FLASHBACK TO 2014

(Screenwriting professors will tell you never to do that).

IN 2014, after half a year of good zero heat at the Golden Nugget, suddenly all my female card holders received phone calls from their hosts asking them if they had recently visited.

They all said no but they had loaned their cards to their boyfriend. Lol, I wish I had so many girlfriends.

Golden Nugget obviously understood they were getting hit by a team. Once my people informed me of the calls, I monitored their offers online and sure enough, within 24 hours all the offers always visible on the golden Nugget AC website were gone, wiped clean.

So from 2014, there was reason to believe I should stay away from the Golden Nugget. However, I had never been caught physically using cards. I am certain if I had attempted to use those cards I would have been surrounded then in 2014. They were probably on high alert waiting for me....

But I never showed and two years later, I figured that was a distant memory. And I was correct. Golden Nugget never brought up anything from 2014.

DISSOLVE BACK TO DECEMBER 2016

So, after staying away for two years I was entering the Golden Nugget NOT to multi-card but to legit take advantage of the new member/inactive members offer.

Which was earn 1000 points same day and get $100 Freeplay same day. And yes, I wanted to observe what offers I would get in the mail in a month or so while taking advantage of this offer.

So I went up to get my players card. The attendant observed that I qualified. Great. She said after a moment that there was a problem with my account and she needed a technician to come fix it. She specifically said a technician and when I questioned her what the issue was she said it really really was not a big deal. It would be fixed momentarily.

Man, attendants are terrible liars!

I started to observe that a security guard was stationed suddenly about fifty feet to the East and speaking on his radio. And another was stationed to the south of me also about fifty feet away. And yet another equidistant to my North and West.

Getting into position to cut off all exits. Genius. But I wasn't worried. I am not a criminal and hell, I wasn't even using other players cards. I was signing up for my own card, for Pete's sake.

Sure enough, the security details were for me and moved in tighter in unison (a gauntlet I suppose) and there we were, me surrounded by security in January 2016.

A security supervisor (not the one holding me in June 2019) approached me.

"Sir, we have to detain you until the police arrive. There is a warrant out for your arrest."

"WHAT??? I don't have any warrants!!!"

"Oh, yes you do. That I am certain of. I don't know the details but It's pertaining to the incident in Pennsylvania."

Giving up too much information is always a problem with these security guys in my opinion.

At any rate I now knew who had contacted the Golden Nugget and why. It was the Valley Forge Casino since that is the only Pennsylvania incident I had and it had occurred about three weeks earlier. I was still at a loss about the arrest warrant. Don't worry, the valley forge incident is coming up and will be discussed here in a different post. Time jumping in this history is required.

But to continue I am surrounded December 2016 notified I have a warrant out for my arrest.

"Well, you are wrong. I have no such warrant."

"Well, you will see how real it is when the officers arrive. They are already on their way. We notified them as is our duty and we have to detain you. We would appreciate if you come to the back room with us."

I refused and they tried the psychological trick of saying how embarrassed I would be handcuffed in public (really it's like a bad script they follow).

I politely refused and we waited near the sign up desk.

About fifteen minutes in, the security supervisor radio squawks. He steps aside and finally returns. "The police have turned around and are returning to the precinct. Apparently, you don't have an outstanding warrant at this time."

"I have never had an outstanding warrant at ANY TIME" I stressed.

The supervisor asked if I still wanted to gamble. I replied affirmative and he instructed the sign up attendant to give me my players card. She confirmed that after earning 1000 points, the $100 freeplay would automatically upload. I did not have to return to the sign up desk.

For the next two or three hours I had fun and earned 1000 points. But my Freeplay didn't load automatically.

Returning to the desk, the same attendant then notified me that it appeared my account had a security lock on it and so I was ineligible for offers. (,Lol, now she tells me???)

I argued she saw the security supervisor give me the okay so maybe he should be called to lift the lock.

She did contact him and he returned. And he took a moment at the computer to lift the lock. Since the offer didn't automatically load, the attendant had to manually load up the $100 offer.

The supervisor apologized for the inconveniences. After all, I had just gambled my money, right?. So he offered a free buffet as reconciliation. The attendant wrote me up a paper buffet ticket at the instructions of the security supervisor, I played off the Freeplay and enjoyed an hour of free food.

And then I left.

Now yes, I was surrounded by security and they certainly had the video of that. But that incident isn't my definition of being trespassed from the property.

And neither was the second incident the supervisor holding me in January 2019 was alluding to either.

We will cover my second incident surrounded by Golden Nugget security...next post.

To be continued
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February 3rd, 2022 at 12:09:36 PM permalink
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Mission,

Golden Nugget had the best crossover. The 6am thing.

As to handing over even the cards the supervisor hadn't named, you have a good point and any other casino I probably would have stood quiet and kept them under wraps.

I knew why I was caught at golden Nugget and it wasn't because I personally was hot.

It's because their hosts keep close monitoring of the high offers. I'm pretty certain it's automated. That is, a player who takes Freeplay without significant action comes up on a Host computer who then monitors the action for a few days and let's security/surveillance be warned of any red flags.

I was trying to get around this with extra gambling camouflage but there comes a point where you wind up making no money.

Hence, giving up the unnamed cards made no difference. At best they would have been flagged within days. And paying someone to do the pickups for just a few cards plus extra gambling (and putting them in danger of being backroomed) just would not have made sense.
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That's a good deal! I didn't remember what time their crossover (or anyone else's) was, except I know that the Taj didn't load anything until the afternoon, at which point, you could activate it from the kiosk.

Yeah, my thinking was the fewer cards you have on you the fewer that there ARE to hand over and the less to remember in terms of which cards were confiscated.

You are correct that's what they do there and that's why I got no-mailed. The first thing that they did (at the time) was they would lock out your PIN and then you had to go to player services where they either would or would not let you reset it, which depended on who you talked to, mainly. There would be some kind of message that would also show up on their screen, but I didn't get a clean look at it. Anyway, they let me reset the PIN the one time and then it was dead again either the next day or two days later. I went back and was told I could play on the card, earn points and use points, but the card would not get any other perks in the future, or whatever verbiage they used.

I agree that you wouldn't PAY someone to do it, except you'd give them a percentage and make sure they knew that getting backroomed + trespassed was only a matter of time sooner or later. They wouldn't give any extra play, they'd just pick up whatever they could and let the automated deal kill the cards.
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February 3rd, 2022 at 12:15:23 PM permalink
Why do the women on your team have hosts? Why not the men, or is this an all-female team?
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February 3rd, 2022 at 12:21:19 PM permalink
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Why do the women on your team have hosts? Why not the men, or is this an all-female team?
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I had both male and female cards.

I thought it obvious but they saw me, a male playing and not knowing my identity they called the females to ascertain if these were indeed stolen or being used with permission.

Once every female claimed to be my girlfriend it was obvious what was going on. So they killed the offers.

If the women had said no one had permission to use the cards the offers would have stood, I would have been arrested the next time I tried to use the cards (with pins locked until the victims showed to change them and then they would have asked for victims impact statement to present to DGA and a district attorney.

But they weren't getting all that as I clearly had their permission to use the cards
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February 3rd, 2022 at 12:43:32 PM permalink
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Why do the women on your team have hosts? Why not the men, or is this an all-female team?
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I realized I didn't quite answer your question.

The hosts at golden Nugget monitor the accounts.

Obviously they don't care about accounts with $10 or $20 freeplay.

At the time each player card was getting $400 Freeplay five days a week.
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February 4th, 2022 at 8:11:30 AM permalink
Loving this series and have to admit I wish I could something similar but I don't live in a place with any nearby casinos that would allow me to do this on the regular.

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