Coronavirus math
Quote: rawtuffQuote: KeyserQuote: rawtuffUnvaxxed people are far more transmissible than vaxxed that's a fact, not a propaganda.
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Considering the fact that most of the people eligible for the vax have received one, yet we're at the highest rate of infection ever should tell you all you need to know.
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Due to the nature of this pathogen and its currently dominant variant (Omicron) and the nature of the vaccines available the population should be vaccinated with a recent (best no older than 3 months) booster shot in order to have significant enough level of antibodies.
Of American adults who are fully vaccinated, only about 30 percent have received a booster, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. And among all Americans, only about one in six has received a booster.
And, yes, vaccines are not that effective against Omicron due to the high number of mutations in the variant - about 70% compared to about 90% against Delta.
People who are not vaccinated, but have been infected with C19 in the past 3-5 months and survived without complications will have even better immune response to Omicron than just vaccinated. Still, vaccines do have high positive effect on lowering the rate of transmission even if not preventing infection alone.
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The data just doesn't support your claim. I'm boosted as is my wife and most of the people in my family group, yet we all have contracted the Omicron version of the China Virus. This is likely my second infection, as I think I had a previous infection last spring, but was not tested at that time. Besides, many of the virologists and even my doctor have said that it only protects against severe illness at this point, and that it will not make you anymore or less likely to contract the virus. It only helps once the virus has gotten into your cells.
Wake up, look at the daily covid case graphs and the number of people vaxed. This is a pandemic of everyone.
Please let's try to keep a mathematical, evidence based leaning to this thread. Please DO NOT turn it into a 'vax' : 'dont vax' opinion piece.
Rule 19 guys. RULE 19!
Pennsylvania has had 38K deaths & almost 2 million cases.
New Jersey has had 29K deaths & 1.65 million cases.
Nevada has had 8.6K deaths and 543K cases.
Mississippi has had 10.6K deaths & 625K cases.
Massachusetts has had 20K deaths & 1.186 million cases.
Illinois has had 29K deaths & 2.56 million cases.
California has had 76.8K deaths & 6.3 million cases.
Washington State has had 10K deaths & 1 million cases.
Washington D.C. has had 1.2K deaths & 144K cases.
I think the TV said nearly 60 million cases in the USA so far and over 800K dead.
Quote: ChumpChangeMy phone says 50K people in New York State have died with COVID & 4.35 million people have been infected since they started counting.
Pennsylvania has had 38K deaths & almost 2 million cases.
New Jersey has had 29K deaths & 1.65 million cases.
Nevada has had 8.6K deaths and 543K cases.
Mississippi has had 10.6K deaths & 625K cases.
Massachusetts has had 20K deaths & 1.186 million cases.
Illinois has had 29K deaths & 2.56 million cases.
California has had 76.8K deaths & 6.3 million cases.
Washington State has had 10K deaths & 1 million cases.
Washington D.C. has had 1.2K deaths & 144K cases.
I think the TV said nearly 60 million cases in the USA so far and over 800K dead.
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Your TV viewing is a bit behind the curve. But right order of numbers
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Coronavirus Cases:
64,789,362
Deaths:
868,128
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The combo meal of the two combined might be.
I would kill for a Combo meal right now. In the last three days I have had banana pudding and low sodium beef broth.
(BTW, I am in the hospital trying to avoid Covid to keep this somewhat on topic).
Every home in the U.S. can soon order 4 free at-home COVID-19 tests. The tests will be completely free—there are no shipping costs and you don’t need to enter a credit card number.
Ordering begins January 19.
https://www.covidtests.gov/
They're only giving 4 free tests per household, instead of 4 free tests per person. In a 15 person trailer home, I guess one sick person is enough.
Quote: DeMangoThat’s because masks and mandates don’t work. Just ask CDC
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I am fully vaccinated and I wear my mask on a daily basis. I am not comfortable going out without my mask on despite being fully vaccinated. I feel a lot safer with my mask on. Also the mask protects me from touching my face which is always a plus. We never realized how unhealthy touching our faces really was until Covid broke out.
A little over 1/3 had side effects from the nothing shot.
Quote:Haas and colleagues analyzed data from 12 clinical trials of COVID-19 vaccines. The 12 trials included adverse effects reports from 22,578 placebo recipients and 22,802 vaccine recipients. After the first injection, more than 35 percent of placebo recipients experienced systemic adverse events – symptoms affecting the entire body, such as fever – with headache and fatigue most common at 19.6 percent and 16.7 percent, respectively. Sixteen percent of placebo recipients reported at least one local event, such as pain at site of injection, redness or swelling.
https://www.bidmc.org/about-bidmc/news/2022/01/placebo-effect-contributes-to-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-events
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I am fully vaccinated and I wear my mask on a daily basis. I am not comfortable going out without my mask on despite being fully vaccinated. I feel a lot safer with my mask on. Also the mask protects me from touching my face which is always a plus. We never realized how unhealthy touching our faces really was until Covid broke out.
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I am the complete opposite. I've never had a mask on my face throughout this entire thing. I live exactly as I did pre-pandemic.
COVID is a risk to fat people with high blood pressure, type 2 diabetes, high cholesterol. There is no coronavirus math that indicates I should make any changes to my lifestyle at all. People need to make their own decisions. Stay well Starburger.
Quote: StarburgerQuote: DeMangoThat’s because masks and mandates don’t work. Just ask CDC
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I am fully vaccinated and I wear my mask on a daily basis. I am not comfortable going out without my mask on despite being fully vaccinated. I feel a lot safer with my mask on. Also the mask protects me from touching my face which is always a plus. We never realized how unhealthy touching our faces really was until Covid broke out.
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You said it right there. "Feel safer." Not that you are, but you feel you are.
Touching your face is just a normal thing. Unless you are in a place that needs to be hypersanitized like an OR or even a commercial kitchen there is no reason to get worked up about doing it.
The mask thing is turning out more and more to have been an opiate for the masses.
https://nypost.com/2022/01/20/nyc-hospitals-overrun-with-bodies-during-covid-death-surge-staffing-shortages/
“The whole hospital system is at capacity with patients and, of course, that includes the morgues,” one person familiar with the situation said.
Quote: ChumpChangeNYC hospitals overrun with bodies during COVID death surge, staffing shortages
https://nypost.com/2022/01/20/nyc-hospitals-overrun-with-bodies-during-covid-death-surge-staffing-shortages/
“The whole hospital system is at capacity with patients and, of course, that includes the morgues,” one person familiar with the situation said.
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Sounds more due to staffing than anything else.
Quote: ChumpChangeNYC hospitals overrun with bodies during COVID death surge, staffing shortages
https://nypost.com/2022/01/20/nyc-hospitals-overrun-with-bodies-during-covid-death-surge-staffing-shortages/
“The whole hospital system is at capacity with patients and, of course, that includes the morgues,” one person familiar with the situation said.
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Mask mandates are working well
How many hospital beds has New York City dropped below its peak?Quote: ChumpChangeNYC hospitals overrun with bodies during COVID death surge, staffing shortages
https://nypost.com/2022/01/20/nyc-hospitals-overrun-with-bodies-during-covid-death-surge-staffing-shortages/
“The whole hospital system is at capacity with patients and, of course, that includes the morgues,” one person familiar with the situation said.
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Quote: MDawgThe mask mandates may be in place, but too many ignore them. For example right now there is some kind of convention in town and I routinely see groups of rednecks get into elevators unmasked. If I'm already in the elevator I'm trapped but if they enter first I'll wait for the next car.
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Why would you call them "rednecks" just because they are not wearing masks?
Quote: MDawgHas nothing to do with their wearing masks or not.
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But you said you saw "rednecks getting into elevators unmasked."
Uhhh, wanna bet that it refers to their exterior appearance?Quote: AZDuffmanWhy would you call them "rednecks" just because they are not wearing masks?
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Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: MDawgThe mask mandates may be in place, but too many ignore them. For example right now there is some kind of convention in town and I routinely see groups of rednecks get into elevators unmasked. If I'm already in the elevator I'm trapped but if they enter first I'll wait for the next car.
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Why would you call them "rednecks" just because they are not wearing masks?
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Because calling them morons might offend some people.
Quote: billryanQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: MDawgThe mask mandates may be in place, but too many ignore them. For example right now there is some kind of convention in town and I routinely see groups of rednecks get into elevators unmasked. If I'm already in the elevator I'm trapped but if they enter first I'll wait for the next car.
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Why would you call them "rednecks" just because they are not wearing masks?
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Because calling them morons might offend some people.
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It has been almost 700 days now. Why some people still think masks are some kind of important thing I have no idea. Tens of thousands at football games no masks and the world does not end. Yet in an elevator it will?
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: billryanQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: MDawgThe mask mandates may be in place, but too many ignore them. For example right now there is some kind of convention in town and I routinely see groups of rednecks get into elevators unmasked. If I'm already in the elevator I'm trapped but if they enter first I'll wait for the next car.
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Why would you call them "rednecks" just because they are not wearing masks?
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Because calling them morons might offend some people.
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It has been almost 700 days now. Why some people still think masks are some kind of important thing I have no idea. Tens of thousands at football games no masks and the world does not end. Yet in an elevator it will?
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Unless it was a football game in an elevator it would. Ever been in an elevator with someone smoking a cigarette? If not, use your imagination.
Quote: rxwineQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: billryanQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: MDawgThe mask mandates may be in place, but too many ignore them. For example right now there is some kind of convention in town and I routinely see groups of rednecks get into elevators unmasked. If I'm already in the elevator I'm trapped but if they enter first I'll wait for the next car.
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Why would you call them "rednecks" just because they are not wearing masks?
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Because calling them morons might offend some people.
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It has been almost 700 days now. Why some people still think masks are some kind of important thing I have no idea. Tens of thousands at football games no masks and the world does not end. Yet in an elevator it will?
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Unless it was a football game in an elevator it would. Ever been in an elevator with someone smoking a cigarette? If not, use your imagination.
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Are you suggesting the ventilation at an outdoor football game varies from that of a crowded elevator?
Quote: rxwineQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: billryanQuote: AZDuffmanQuote: MDawgThe mask mandates may be in place, but too many ignore them. For example right now there is some kind of convention in town and I routinely see groups of rednecks get into elevators unmasked. If I'm already in the elevator I'm trapped but if they enter first I'll wait for the next car.
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Why would you call them "rednecks" just because they are not wearing masks?
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Because calling them morons might offend some people.
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It has been almost 700 days now. Why some people still think masks are some kind of important thing I have no idea. Tens of thousands at football games no masks and the world does not end. Yet in an elevator it will?
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Unless it was a football game in an elevator it would. Ever been in an elevator with someone smoking a cigarette? If not, use your imagination.
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So wear your mask, nobody is stopping you,
Quote: MDawgFor example right now there is some kind of convention in town and I routinely see groups of rednecks get into elevators unmasked.
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This thread is getting overheated. I allow discussion about the Corona Virus because it affects playing and working in casinos. However, political statements and hate speech are not allowed. Everyone, please consider this a warning. I'll be monitoring the thread more carefully.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbXkP_GZjsE
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Quote: ChumpChangeI HAVE COVID ON A CRUISE SHIP: my experience, getting tested, the red zone, cabin isolation, more - YouTube
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Vaccines, vaccine cards, masks, social distancing, hand washing, enhanced cleaning, etc.
How's this all working out?
Seems to me the response to COVID is far worse than COVID itself.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeuOlQ1AIaI
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Vaccines, vaccine cards, masks, social distancing, hand washing, enhanced cleaning, etc.
How's this all working out?
Seems to me the response to COVID is far worse than COVID itself.
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Exactly. Just lose weight!
Quote: DeMangoQuote: GundyQuote: ChumpChangeI HAVE COVID ON A CRUISE SHIP: my experience, getting tested, the red zone, cabin isolation, more - YouTube
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeuOlQ1AIaI
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Vaccines, vaccine cards, masks, social distancing, hand washing, enhanced cleaning, etc.
How's this all working out?
Seems to me the response to COVID is far worse than COVID itself.
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Exactly. Just lose weight!
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Or have Type O blood.
Quote: DeMangoQuote: GundyQuote: ChumpChangeI HAVE COVID ON A CRUISE SHIP: my experience, getting tested, the red zone, cabin isolation, more - YouTube
Jordan Bauth
40K subscribers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeuOlQ1AIaI
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Vaccines, vaccine cards, masks, social distancing, hand washing, enhanced cleaning, etc.
How's this all working out?
Seems to me the response to COVID is far worse than COVID itself.
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Exactly. Just lose weight!
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Sure, we can mandate losing weight.
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(that was a joke)
Quote: KeyserThen NY and California restaurants shouldn't allow fat people into their restaurants, since they're likely to spread and die from the China Virus.
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No one has claimed that obese people get infected more readily and/or spread the disease more readily -just that their organ capacity is more marginal and their ability to survive a Covid infection is lower. So, your comment above doesn't seem to make any sense at all. In addition, it seems mean-spirited. You are advised to please heed the Wizard's warning on this thread and avoid statements with animus (hostility or ill-feeling) towards any group of people as well as towards people who simply disagree with you.
Will data like this affect the area's convention business? If travelers return to the office sick, possible participants may want to skip attending. Perhaps we'll see effects outside Nevada, where Covid spikes could be traced back to the home towns of visitors. Or, not. Football games seem not to spread very much. Has your favorite LV store closed? Other businesses?
Over 85 percent positive means that the employees get no escape. A friend went to the Biloxi Beau Rivage over Thanksgiving, and reported the hotel had to cap rooms at 60 percent. The hotel could not maintain sufficient staff available to service more. Having to do more without full staffing creates stress. How are local residents accepting the current Covid levels? Teachers? Health professionals?
Quote: LuckyPhowUmmm... perhaps this is a good time to have a polite discussion concerning Nevada's 85.4 percent Covid positivity rate. (USA = 30.2 percent.)
Will data like this affect the area's convention business? If travelers return to the office sick, possible participants may want to skip attending. Perhaps we'll see effects outside Nevada, where Covid spikes could be traced back to the home towns of visitors. Or, not. Football games seem not to spread very much. Has your favorite LV store closed? Other businesses?
Over 85 percent positive means that the employees get no escape. A friend went to the Biloxi Beau Rivage over Thanksgiving, and reported the hotel had to cap rooms at 60 percent. The hotel could not maintain sufficient staff available to service more. Having to do more without full staffing creates stress. How are local residents accepting the current Covid levels? Teachers? Health professionals?
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I imagine the staffing issue is two pronged like it is almost anywhere else now for below median income jobs. Partly staff out with covid wave, partly a disconnect between wages offered and amount of people willing to work for that wage.
Getting into all the contributing factors for the latter would be getting too political, but I believe most employers aren’t acknowledging the combination of recently retired and declining birth rate means that’s unlikely to go away soon. Tried to stop at Jimmy John’s near a hospital and business center today and they’re entirely closed on weekends now until further notice due to staffing. Employees getting overworked because of lack of coworkers means they’re also more likely to quit...especially when there’s other jobs available promising greener pastures whether it’s true or not.
There is now a growing consensus that driving the test positivity rate downwards of 3% should be a priority. The WHO initially suggested a positivity rate of around 3–12% as a general benchmark of adequate testing, and has most recently recommended that test positivity should remain at 5% or lower for 14 days before regions reopen.
https://globalhealth.harvard.edu/evidence-roundup-why-positive-test-rates-need-to-fall-below-3/
States ranked by COVID-19 test positivity rates: Jan. 21 (None below 10%, many above 50% up to 100%)
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-covid-19-test-positivity-rates-july-14.html
https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-map/
Maybe somebody could ride around on city busses during rush hour and see if they are packed, or empty because of the pandemic.
TSA makes it clear on their website that Americans can be removed or suspended from the service "if you commit certain violations of federal security regulations, such as refusal to wear a mask in U.S. transportation systems covered by the January 31, 2021 Security Directive and subsequent amendments, assault, threat, intimidation, or interference with flight crew, physical or sexual assault or threat of physical or sexual assault of any individual on an aircraft, interference with security operations, access control violations, providing false or fraudulent documents, making a bomb threat, or bringing a firearm, explosive, or other prohibited item to an airport or onboard an aircraft, you are denied expedited screening for a period of time."
