EvenBob
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Quote: MDawg
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referring only to a guy claiming to crush roulette against a 5.26% HA
your 𝙞𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙣𝙪𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣 that I was referring to the entire forum is of course ridiculous and typical of you twisting the meaning of things around as DarkOz so beautifully pointed out
in my day I played NCAA hoops
would you or anybody here like to see me claim that I was better than MJ___________?
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Quote: MDawgYou continue to spend a lottttt of time on this thread. You'll be back in this thread, or mine, or elsewhere, to drop more carefully crafted insults and then immediately claim that the whole matter is a waste of time. After you've spent a great deal of your time on the matter, that is. 😅
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yes, I've spent some time on this thread - I think if you add up the time I spent - it has been about 20 minutes total
I'm retired and have a lot of time on my hands
I specifically meant that I recommend that nobody take EB's claim seriously and study his words
it is my personal belief that for whatever reason a great many gamblers post false narratives on message boards
that is the nature of quite a few gamblers - BIG talkers - BIG timers
having said that there are also quite a few who formulate very worthwhile posts here and elsewhere
it is a personal enjoyment of mine to point out on the board when the BIG timers and BIG talkers are telling tales
it's possible you might have heard about gamblers telling Tall Tales somewhere
oh, btw - I have a request
could you please post some pics of your expensive cars here - or have you already done that and I missed it - if that's so could you please re-post them
I love pics of people with expensive cars - paying attention to that is a great enjoyment to me
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Are you willing to share how much you can easily make monthly using your system/technique/plan or whatever you want to call it?
SooPoo, EvenBob is busy working on his garage but will answer shortly. I've been fixing solar lights all over the property and carrying very heavy bags of clothing and shoes that we are giving away all over the place in between posting at WOV.
If I may multitask why can't he, dammit?
EB is just doing a roulette tease dance.
FWIW, I suspect ThatDon'tGuy is on the right track with his guess as to how it might go: see his post on page 2.
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the wheel has no memory
Fortunately I do have one.
Quote: darkozYou can see what other people are wagering online?
The Evolution platform has a list of winners after every outcome and how much they won. If it was player and they won $20,000 they obviously had bet $10,000.
Quote: gordonm888First, welcome back EvenBob. I missed you!
Second, let me say that I am interested in hearing EB's explanation of what he does to get high (claimed) winning rates. ]
I will have to do it tomorrow I'm just too tired tonight. I worked way too much outdoors today I'm getting too old for this crap. I was putting siding on my garage and I want to get it done cuz it's going to rain for the next three days.
Quote: SOOPOOBob, are you saying you can make a SINGLE roulette bet, say RED, or a column, or ODD, and hit at an 80% success rate? Or do you make a combination of bets that at least one of them hits with an 80% success rate? If it’s the first then you have found something akin to magic.
Absolutely nothing magical about it, why do people always say that. It's like we live in the Dark Ages where everything under the sun the people did not understand was blamed on magic. I will get into the details tomorrow I'm way too tired tonight.
Enough said.Quote: EvenBobQuote: AxelWolf
You also claim you can tell the difference between an RNG and A live roulette.
That is easy to do. Live roulette routinely produces results that you never see on an RNG.
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Quote: EvenBobIn January of 2021 the governor of my state, Michigan, Gretchen Whitmer, changed my life forever. She made online gambling legal in my state. Before she signed the bill I had no use for her but now I love her dearly and have nothing but fond thoughts of her.
First were the sports books then just about a year ago the online casinos came with the live dealers. There are 13 or 14 online casinos that have live roulette and it has changed my life. I will probably never set foot in another brick and mortar Casino again, why would I. At an online live wheel I can see 90 outcomes in an hour where the average in a brick-and-mortar casino is 25 or 30 an hour. Because I can see so many spins in such a short amount of time this has raised my hit rate to 80%. I'm only playing to make one unit a session because that's all I need to make. I have a monthly goal and I get to that goal by making one unit a session by playing one or two or three sessions a day.. With an 80% hit rate it's usually over very quickly obviously.
I would never go to another brick-and-mortar casino because they are stone-age to me now. I have to drive to get there, park my car walk all the way inside, play elbow to elbow with complete strangers in a game that is as slow as molasses. And shows me a fraction of the outcomes that I can see online. I've never liked brick-and-mortar casinos as I've said here many times. In fact mostly I hate them for reasons I will not go into again. Just the thought of never having to enter another casino is invigorating.
I have yet to even peek in to one of these live dealer online games. I am figuring they work like Interblock that is at some casinos already. For those who do not know, a dealer is onstage and running BJ, roulette, or baccarat. You do your bets on a screen and your hand plays for you. I am not sure how it works if some players split and some do not but assume it is figured out.
I told a woman I would never play that. I want the feel of the clay cheques. I want to be sitting at the table and see the cards up close. I want the feel of the casino. I had a different conversation with a guy who said he preferred it for roulette because he could just keep hitting "same bet" over and over. So I see that point.
I go to a casino to be at a casino.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: SOOPOOBob, are you saying you can make a SINGLE roulette bet, say RED, or a column, or ODD, and hit at an 80% success rate? Or do you make a combination of bets that at least one of them hits with an 80% success rate? If it’s the first then you have found something akin to magic.
Absolutely nothing magical about it, why do people always say that. It's like we live in the Dark Ages where everything under the sun the people did not understand was blamed on magic. I will get into the details tomorrow I'm way too tired tonight.
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Rest up! What I can’t understand is if you found a way to take ‘free money’ from the online casinos, why don’t you use it to hire someone to do the hard labor you don’t want to do!?
And by the way, I hope you start posting in the ‘what I ate today’ thread again!
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On the other hand, let's define "bias" as any attribute or characteristic of the game of Roulette that results in a non-uniform outcome for a specific spin. I realize that's an odly worded definition but it describes the underlying premise that I'm evaluating. Putting it another way, I've been wondering if there is fundamental aspect of Roulette that results in a game be a Markov process. This "bias" (for want of a better term) is always present but will vary in the specifics of the PDF from game to game.
Like I said, it's just a hypothesis at this point but it's interesting to play around with if math and data analysis is your idea of fun.
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I did some light reading and while I still don't fully understand, I get the gist of it. I was able to find what appears to be an academic paper that talks about the same thing where they ran a simulation
academic macewan ca/burok/Stat322/seminar/Roulette.pdf
Their conclusion states
Quote:CONCLUSION
Playing Roulette by applying the results from the Markov chain representation is better
than betting in every round. However, this perspective is not foolproof. The randomness of the
wheel is not being eliminated by the Markov chain representation. It just allow a player to gauge
a time interval in which betting on a color change is a favourable outcome.
The gaming perspective from the Markov chain representation gives a player more
confidence to win in the end, with less attempts. A player who wants to try this gaming perspective
should have utmost patience and content. Though, it is better than betting every round, it will only
allow you to win a few since waiting is big part of it.
This study, however, has a flaw, the simulation of the Markov chain is done using R. The
results from this analysis study would have been stronger and more convincing if the simulation
is done in the actual game.
They appeared to only focus on the outside part of the game though.
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I did some light reading and while I still don't fully understand, I get the gist of it. I was able to find what appears to be an academic paper that talks about the same thing where they ran a simulation
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Blessing the link:
https://academic.macewan.ca/burok/Stat322/seminar/Roulette.pdf
(Story was dry, but interesting. No explosions or lemurs.)
the obvious question is "is it a composite bet using more than one chip to cover more than one table selection?"Quote: SOOPOOThere is no single bet in roulette that is expected to hit even 50% of the time. I can’t wait to ascertain how our good friend EB exceeds that…. up to 80%!
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What chance that EvenBob would even give an answer to that?
Possible answers are "yes" and "of course"
In NY our governor isn't as good as yours. She's involved in too many scandals and taking kickbacks. Plus her husband is involved with the state lottery commission and they scam at every game out there. The lottery is called the stupid tax for a reason. Horrible odds unless you are the house... Carry on !!!
Quote: SOOPOOWhat I can’t understand is if you found a way to take ‘free money’
It's not free, nothing is free, I worked my ass off to get here for the last 17 years. Here it is in a nutshell keeping it a simple as possible. If you study patterns and trends long enough they start to make sense to you and you see the same scenarios over and over and over and over because you're only working with 36 numbers and if you wait long enough these scenarios will repeat over and over. Sometimes nothing at all is happening and I can't see a bet to save my life. But often enough I see a pattern combined with other patterns combined with a trend where I know from lots of experience there's 80% chance the next outcome will be an even chance I can bet on and win. Just one unit, that's my goal at the online casinos, to win one unit per session. Of course that unit could be any size that you want. It's called making an educated guess, and no it's not a prediction. Even though I've read recently on other gambling forums that some are saying roulette is somewhat predictable.
Yes yes, 14 people will now say Bob you're such a moron independent events are totally unconnected to each other and they form no patterns. Which I agree with 100%. The patterns are all in my head, they're imaginary, my pattern seeking brain makes them up. And it doesn't matter if they're real or not real they can still be exploited. There are no rules involved, rules do not work with independent outcomes. All you can do is make educated guesses from a vast amount of experience looking at outcomes. And because there are no rules this way of playing is of no interest to 99.9% of gamblers. They want a totally rule-based system that tells you what to do every step of the way because it's easy if there are rules to follow. Independent outcomes cannot and will never follow rules, it's impossible. All I can do is say to myself I have seen this scenario before and this is the usual outcome 80% of the time. To bet one time to make one unit.
This does not work in a brick-and-mortar casino because I can't see enough outcomes in an hour which is all I have because that's as long as my concentration will last which is very very typical. Almost nobody is able to concentrate on anything for longer than an hour. It's why the casino gives a dealer's so many breaks because after 45 minutes to an hour they start making mistakes because their concentration is gone. At the online casinos I can see 90 spins an hour which is huge. So I see these scenarios where I can make a pet far more often then I ever would in a brick-and-mortar casino. In a B & M Casino I am forced to grind, I only have a 65 to 70% advantage and I have to make more bets and get more wrong to reach my goal. And it doesn't always work, sometimes all I can do is break even because all I've seen is 25 or 30 lousy outcomes in the hour I'm there.
Even with 90 outcomes an hour there are days when I don't see a bet, a couple times I've gone 2 or 3 days when I didn't see a bet but that's very rare. And yes I win every online session that I make bets in because I do not bet obviously unless the outcomes are favorable to me.
Let the pig piling of misinformation about roulette begin. You'll see what I mean just wait.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: SOOPOOWhat I can’t understand is if you found a way to take ‘free money’
Let the pig piling of misinformation about roulette begin. You'll see what I mean just wait.
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Well, you got a pretty good head start!
You might also try rubbing your computer screen as the ball is rolling. That apparently does wonders as well.
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But often enough I see a pattern combined with other patterns combined with a trend where I know from lots of experience there's 80% chance the next outcome will be an even chance I can bet on and win.
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if you actually can do this and you would allow a responsible party such as the Wizard to video and document your skills and it can be verified - then:
𝙞𝙩 𝙬𝙤𝙪𝙡𝙙 𝙨𝙪𝙧𝙚𝙡𝙮 𝙗𝙚 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙤𝙨𝙩 𝙖𝙢𝙖𝙯𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙜𝙧𝙚𝙖𝙩𝙚𝙨𝙩 𝙖𝙘𝙝𝙞𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙢𝙚𝙣𝙩 𝙞𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙝𝙞𝙨𝙩𝙤𝙧𝙮 𝙤𝙛 𝙜𝙖𝙢𝙗𝙡𝙞𝙣𝙜
but I believe there is more than an 80% chance that you will not allow this - actually very close to a 100% chance that you will not allow it
and the entire world will therefore be deprived of an opportunity to see firsthand something that is truly fantastic
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𝙞𝙩 𝙬𝙤𝙪𝙡𝙙 𝙨𝙪𝙧𝙚𝙡𝙮 𝙗𝙚 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙢𝙤𝙨𝙩 𝙖𝙢𝙖𝙯𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙜𝙧𝙚𝙖𝙩𝙚𝙨𝙩 𝙖𝙘𝙝𝙞𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙢𝙚𝙣𝙩 𝙞𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙝𝙞𝙨𝙩𝙤𝙧𝙮 𝙤𝙛 𝙜𝙖𝙢𝙗𝙡𝙞𝙣𝙜
Not hardly, not even close. You think I'm the only person that does this? An amazing achievement would be to be able to sit down at a roulette table and win no matter what the outcomes are. To have to wait and wait and wait and wait and wait some more and then totally cherry pick the bet you will make is hardly a great achievement. It's very close to shooting fish in a barrel. Sometimes going two or three days of looking at outcomes and not seeing a single bet, in you're mind that's a great achievement? You're confusing what you thought it would be with what it actually is. Either that or you have no understanding of what a great achievement really is, because this ain't one of them.
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Well, you got a pretty good head start!
Another misinformed county heard from..
Quote: OnceDearthe obvious question is "is it a composite bet using more than one chip to cover more than one table selection?"
What chance that EvenBob would even give an answer to that?
That is what I was asking earlier and the way I interpreted his answer is that it was a single bet outcome and not a single spin outcome.
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That is what I was asking earlier
I only bet on the even chances or something that I've turned into an even chance bet and I only make one bet at a time. For instance if you put one unit on the center dozen or one unit on the center column and two units on either the first or third dozens or columns that now makes them an even chance bet. This works especially well when one of the dozens or columns is sleeping which happens very frequently.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: DRich
That is what I was asking earlier
I only bet on the even chances or something that I've turned into an even chance bet and I only make one bet at a time. For instance if you put one unit on the center dozen or one unit on the center column and two units on either the first or third dozens or columns that now makes them an even chance bet. This works especially well when one of the dozens or columns is sleeping which happens very frequently.
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If I caught a dozens column sleeping I would set the alarm and hope it wakes up for school on time.
you'd be better off than playing the same bunk number generator over and over and thinking you have
it beat. You are correct Bob - when one column or dozen hits - the others are sleeping. In a closet...
Quote: wizardofbuffaloplaying the same bunk number generator over and over and thinking you have
it beat.
The only number generator I play is a roulette wheel, either live roulette wheel or outcomes from a live roulette wheel. And I don't think I have it beat I know I have it beat, I've been doing this for a very long time. I love it when people have no idea what I'm doing try and tell me what I'm doing. I posted about this in 2010 when I first came here and I'm far far better at it now than I was then. The more you do it the better you get, it's a learned skill.
pays either at 3X 1/3 or 2/3 of your bets back 80% of the time. That is brilliant !
I think I get this: You break even with a 1-12, win 2X with a 13-24 and lose 1X if the sleeper wakes up due to random number
generation. So EvenBob it sounds kinda like you are considering a push as being in the 80% win column ???
Quote: avianrandyYou talk about first second and third twelves. Does the online wheel not have zero or double zero?
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He has stated earlier in this thread he ignores the zeroes.
If the patterns are imaginary and made up, so are the outcomes.Quote: EvenBob...The patterns are all in my head, they're imaginary, my pattern seeking brain makes them up. And it doesn't matter if they're real or not real they can still be exploited. There are no rules involved, rules do not work with independent outcomes.
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Quote: UP84If the patterns are imaginary and made up, so are the outcomes.Quote: EvenBob...The patterns are all in my head, they're imaginary, my pattern seeking brain makes them up. And it doesn't matter if they're real or not real they can still be exploited. There are no rules involved, rules do not work with independent outcomes.
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For all we know even the wagers are imaginary.
He says he watches for up to 2-3 days multiple online Casinos before making a wager
How many people here think EB is sitting glued to a computer screen for 2-3 days and then finally makes a wager?
Oh yeah, and he also admits he can't concentrate for more than an hour.
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I only bet on the even chances or something that I've turned into an even chance bet
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Setting aside the ones that you turn into an even chance bet, are these the only even chance bets.
1 - 18
19 - 36
odd / even
red / black
Quote: SOOPOOBob, please at least acknowledge that you know there is no one here who believes you?
LOL! I love your hubris that you think you can speak for everybody, where did you learn how to do that. I know I can only speak for myself but for some reason your opinion of who you are is so lofty that you can speak for everybody. In truth, the only body of people that I care what they think is the casinos because they validate me every time I play. They pay me. Your opinion of what I do gives me nothing except a belly laugh. And I can't take that to the bank.
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I think I get this: You break even with a 1-12,
No, you break even on the center numbers.
So EvenBob it sounds kinda like you are considering a push as being in the 80% win column ???
A push is never considered a winning bet anywhere that I know of. You break even, it's meaningless.
Quote: avianrandyYou talk about first second and third twelves. Does the online wheel not have zero or double zero?
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They offer both American and European Roulette.
Quote: UP84Quote:If the patterns are imaginary and made up, so are the outcomes.
What outcomes what are you talking about."It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
Quote: darkozHow many people here think EB is sitting glued to a computer screen for 2-3 days and then finally makes a wager?
I can tell very very quickly whether outcomes are playing my game or they aren't, takes me about 3 minutes. So I just come back later and check again. If they are not playing my game it's pointless to just sit there. This is what makes online casinos so great, I can use them like a tool. I can play them on my schedule and on my terms. In a brick-and-mortar casino you're stuck with what they're giving you for that brief amount of time that you're there. I have 24 hours 7 days a week to play at home on multiple platforms. That's why I titled this thread the way I did. This has literally changed my life. One of the big disappointments for me is there are 13 casinos online in Michigan but only two live gaming platforms. They only use Playtech or Evolution. And then there's Bovada and I don't remember what platform they use. When they add some more platforms which I'm sure they will do it's going to improve playing conditions even more because it gives me more options.
Quote: MDawgQuote: EvenBob
I only bet on the even chances or something that I've turned into an even chance bet
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Setting aside the ones that you turn into an even chance bet, are these the only even chance bets.
1 - 18
19 - 36
odd / even
red / black
They are the most obvious ones but you can create your own pretty easily. They are not really viable to use online because you only have 20 seconds to make a bet in between spins. There is not time to use the even chances that you make up except for the columns and dozens which I already explained.
And here I thought you had no interest in making a killing, something about not wanting too much money.Quote: EvenBobQuote: darkozHow many people here think EB is sitting glued to a computer screen for 2-3 days and then finally makes a wager?
I can tell very very quickly whether outcomes are playing my game or they aren't, takes me about 3 minutes. So I just come back later and check again. If they are not playing my game it's pointless to just sit there. This is what makes online casinos so great, I can use them like a tool. I can play them on my schedule and on my terms. In a brick-and-mortar casino you're stuck with what they're giving you for that brief amount of time that you're there. I have 24 hours 7 days a week to play at home on multiple platforms. That's why I titled this thread the way I did. This has literally changed my life. One of the big disappointments for me is there are 13 casinos online in Michigan but only two live gaming platforms. They only use Playtech or Evolution. And then there's Bovada and I don't remember what platform they use. When they add some more platforms which I'm sure they will do it's going to improve playing conditions even more because it gives me more options.
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Whatever the case, if something like this was possible I would have a program written that can detect the situations you are looking for in multiple locations at once. I would include well-known offshore places as well. I have to imagine you could at least quadruple your income.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: MDawgQuote: EvenBob
I only bet on the even chances or something that I've turned into an even chance bet
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Setting aside the ones that you turn into an even chance bet, are these the only even chance bets.
1 - 18
19 - 36
odd / even
red / black
They are the most obvious ones but you can create your own pretty easily. They are not really viable to use online because you only have 20 seconds to make a bet in between spins. There is not time to use the even chances that you make up except for the columns and dozens which I already explained.
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Is your system based on expecting the ball to land in a certain section or quadrant of the wheel?
And if so, does the ball's expected landing in a certain section or quadrant favor one over another even money bet?
For example red / black , if you bet red or black, every other number is red or black so no matter where you expect the ball to land it's not going to favor necessarily red or black, is it? In roulette, if you expect the ball to land in a certain section or quadrant, does this favor one in particular of your (created) even chance bets over another?
Or put another way, since you say you bet only even chance bets, are the ones you create through (I assume) opposing action ones where the ball's landing in a certain quadrant will favor one of your even chance created bets over another?
Quote: MDawgQuote: EvenBobQuote: MDawgQuote: EvenBob
I only bet on the even chances or something that I've turned into an even chance bet
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Setting aside the ones that you turn into an even chance bet, are these the only even chance bets.
1 - 18
19 - 36
odd / even
red / black
They are the most obvious ones but you can create your own pretty easily. They are not really viable to use online because you only have 20 seconds to make a bet in between spins. There is not time to use the even chances that you make up except for the columns and dozens which I already explained.
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Is your system based on expecting the ball to land in a certain section or quadrant of the wheel?
And if so, does the ball's expected landing in a certain section or quadrant favor one over another even money bet?
For example red / black , if you bet red or black, every other number is red or black so no matter where you expect the ball to land it's not going to favor necessarily red or black, is it? In roulette, if you expect the ball to land in a certain section or quadrant, does this favor one in particular of your (created) even chance bets over another?
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How could he determine that when he says he only observes for three minutes?
And, additionally, would like to know if he claims that landing in one quadrant versus another would favor any of the standard even chance bets.
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And here I thought you had no interest in making a killing,
It has nothing to do with making a killing and everything to do with playing more efficiently. The more platforms I have to choose from the less likelihood I'm going to have periods when there are no bets I can see.
