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July 18th, 2021 at 7:28:25 PM permalink
I never could understand: why on earth people choose to play Automatic Roulette without any game presenters?
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July 18th, 2021 at 7:30:38 PM permalink
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I never could understand: why on earth people choose to play Automatic Roulette without any game presenters?



most likely they have done the simuations and have come to the conclusion that humans are just useless
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July 18th, 2021 at 7:33:34 PM permalink
Lower minimums?
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July 18th, 2021 at 7:34:40 PM permalink
A decision every minute.

Live crowded table I have waited fifteen minutes for chip count, color ups, buy in's, dealer switch.

Why on Earth would that be a sought after experience?
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July 18th, 2021 at 7:40:39 PM permalink
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A decision every minute.

Live crowded table I have waited fifteen minutes for chip count, color ups, buy in's, dealer switch.

Why on Earth would that be a sought after experience?



Depending on the minimum, lower expected hourly loss? Of course, one need not bet every spin if one doesn’t want to, but most people do.
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July 18th, 2021 at 8:52:33 PM permalink
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I never could understand: why on earth people choose to play Automatic Roulette



It's a very low minimum bet and lots of spins per hour. It's also rigged in favor of the house. That's why it's considered a slot machine for payoffs. It's not giving you the same result that a real roulette wheel gives you. The result you get is from an algorithm just like a slot machine. It controls where the ball lands on the wheel. It's capable of making the ball land in whatever section it wants. People make their bets and the computer immediately figures out what section to put the ball in so that the payouts are in the parameters of the algorithm. You can still make big wins but it would only be because you happened to bet in a section that wasn't targeted by the computer.
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July 18th, 2021 at 9:00:25 PM permalink
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It's a very low minimum bet and lots of spins per hour. It's also rigged in favor of the house. That's why it's considered a slot machine for payoffs. It's not giving you the same result that a real roulette wheel gives you. The result you get is from an algorithm just like a slot machine. It controls where the ball lands on the wheel. It's capable of making the ball land in whatever section it wants. People make their bets and the computer immediately figures out what section to put the ball in so that the payouts are in the parameters of the algorithm. You can still make big wins but it would only be because you happened to bet in a section that wasn't targeted by the computer.



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July 18th, 2021 at 9:12:43 PM permalink
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Do you know anything about how these games work. About 10 years ago two repair people who worked on these automatic roulette setups figured out how the algorithm works and how to beat it and they took the company for hundreds of thousands before they were caught. The machines did not go out of production they just changed the betting procedure which made them much much harder to bet. Essentially what they did is they speeded up the game making it very difficult to do the calculations needed so you know where to place your bet.

When I first saw this game and was looking at it one of the pit people I knew saw me looking at it and knowing that I was a roulette player told me not to bother with it, in a roundabout way. I looked into it and he was right, it's not legit game of roulette. It is a legit slot machine.
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July 18th, 2021 at 9:34:11 PM permalink
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Do you know anything about how these games work. About 10 years ago two repair people who worked on these automatic roulette setups figured out how the algorithm works and how to beat it and they took the company for hundreds of thousands before they were caught. The machines did not go out of production they just changed the betting procedure which made them much much harder to bet. Essentially what they did is they speeded up the game making it very difficult to do the calculations needed so you know where to place your bet.

When I first saw this game and was looking at it one of the pit people I knew saw me looking at it and knowing that I was a roulette player told me not to bother with it, in a roundabout way. I looked into it and he was right, it's not legit game of roulette. It is a legit slot machine.



Provide a link to an article about the two people who took the company for hundreds of thousands or I call total BS.

As for physics, a ball flying loose through the air (contained in a bubble environment or not) can be controlled by an algorithm? That's your position?
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July 18th, 2021 at 10:06:35 PM permalink
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That's your position?



A computer controls the exact speed of the wheel and can speed it up or slow it down and the release and speed of the ball is completely controlled by compressed air.. The computer can make the ball land in any section of the wheel it likes based on what the algorithm tells it to do. This is why for payouts it's treated just like a slot machine. If you win over a certain amount they will come around with a tax form for you to fill out before they pay you. This roulette set up works just like a slot machine works. The amount of money it keeps and the amount of money it pays out is a foregone conclusion.
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