Sirius666
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January 16th, 2019 at 9:58:30 AM permalink
Hi everyone! I'm new and have a ton of questions I've been asking mostly about Baccarat v other games. I have read through many of the threads but i thought I'd ask some questions that probably have already been answered in some way already BUT, I was looking for fresh answers. Thank you in advance.

QUESTION for the group: Based on what I've been reading here, does anyone even still play baccarat? I ask b/c I have read many of the posts and this idea of sitting down hoping to walk into a situation and "inherit" money from a shoe does make a lot of sense (and I can't remember who posted that but kudos to you and good analogy).

Up to this point I have chosen to look at it more like "investing" / daytrading. You have approximately a 50 / 50 shot of profiting from a 60 second investment. I have had a lot more success than failure and I absorb them. I would def consider myself an advanced player, still learning, but def A-P. Most of the things that make some sense I have figured out on my own that I now see many people have written books about, like the Tambone guy, and others.

QUESTION: Using other analogies posted here, its like the 1% of the 1% who are successful like professional athletes but how much of that is really luck in the case of baccarat (or timing) and how much of that is more of decision based methodology?

QUESTION: If you try and combine a lot of ideas of percentages of success with banker and also following certain trends, or patterns (w/e) and its more successful than not successful, and you are walking away with profit on a legitimately consistent basis, does that not mean that person(s) has some idea in what they are doing? I'm only asking and I really appreciate and respect all other people's (fresh) thoughts.

POKER QUESTION: Should everyone just play poker? Put in 80-120 hrs a week getting good at that game? Its crazy b/c no matter how well you play that game, like any other, if you don't have the cards, and are not getting the cards, then you will mostly and ultimately lose money playing that game as well.

BLACKJACK QUESTION: Same thing, I supposed I could work very very hard at getting good to pretty good at B-J, but how much of a percent advantage do you actually get and all the other variables of making mistakes or being at a table where other people can screw you up. It seems just as treacherous to me as all the other games.

ONLINE COMPUTER BACCARAT: Where and how are people utilizing computers / computer programs to play bac? Or any other game for that matter?

***I spend a lot of time in Vegas, and I'm the kind of guy who will most definitely put his money where his mouth is. This is not a challenge, but I'm serious about finding who these pro players are, and serious about finding anyone who is truly successful that consistently plays. I don't use super large bank rolls. I actually purposely avoid RFB's and I never give or ask for a player's card and when they bother me I tell them nicely to buzz off b/c I don't want them to know who I am.

FEED BACK REQUEST QUESTION: I know I'm a success thus far (key words) but I want to know how much and how realistic is to continue? b/c then I'd consider switching full time to something else b/c I'm not going back to work a 9-5 anymore. I'm just not. I have had multiple months where I have pulled down well over 30k. I have had months where I have lost 5-10k, and my action is typically like 12-15k in an hour, which I have been looking to tweak and reduce closer to flat betting but not quite there yet. When I first started 5yrs ago I did martingale like crazy b/c I didn't know anything about anything, I was up 34-ish K and I did get bit hard and lost about 32k in a month b/c I had zero discipline (I did actually lose it in a period of a week / 3 separate days) but It was all the houses money and not my own (luckily for sure) and from there I started to learn and make adjustments and came to many of the trend analysis / pattern analysis, and statistical probability stuff that most people come to. Its just crazy to me personally that its just pure luck to have this kind of decent amount of success.

I'd honestly love to hear from you guys (& gals) and your stories.
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January 16th, 2019 at 10:09:01 AM permalink
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Hi everyone! I'm new and have a ton of questions I've been asking mostly about Baccarat v other games. I have read through many of the threads but i thought I'd ask some questions that probably have already been answered in some way already BUT, I was looking for fresh answers. Thank you in advance.

QUESTION for the group: Based on what I've been reading here, does anyone even still play baccarat? I ask b/c I have read many of the posts and this idea of sitting down hoping to walk into a situation and "inherit" money from a shoe does make a lot of sense (and I can't remember who posted that but kudos to you and good analogy).

Up to this point I have chosen to look at it more like "investing" / daytrading. You have approximately a 50 / 50 shot of profiting from a 60 second investment. I have had a lot more success than failure and I absorb them. I would def consider myself an advanced player, still learning, but def A-P. Most of the things that make some sense I have figured out on my own that I now see many people have written books about, like the Tambone guy, and others.

QUESTION: Using other analogies posted here, its like the 1% of the 1% who are successful like professional athletes but how much of that is really luck in the case of baccarat (or timing) and how much of that is more of decision based methodology?

QUESTION: If you try and combine a lot of ideas of percentages of success with banker and also following certain trends, or patterns (w/e) and its more successful than not successful, and you are walking away with profit on a legitimately consistent basis, does that not mean that person(s) has some idea in what they are doing? I'm only asking and I really appreciate and respect all other people's (fresh) thoughts.

POKER QUESTION: Should everyone just play poker? Put in 80-120 hrs a week getting good at that game? Its crazy b/c no matter how well you play that game, like any other, if you don't have the cards, and are not getting the cards, then you will mostly and ultimately lose money playing that game as well.

BLACKJACK QUESTION: Same thing, I supposed I could work very very hard at getting good to pretty good at B-J, but how much of a percent advantage do you actually get and all the other variables of making mistakes or being at a table where other people can screw you up. It seems just as treacherous to me as all the other games.

ONLINE COMPUTER BACCARAT: Where and how are people utilizing computers / computer programs to play bac? Or any other game for that matter?

***I spend a lot of time in Vegas, and I'm the kind of guy who will most definitely put his money where his mouth is. This is not a challenge, but I'm serious about finding who these pro players are, and serious about finding anyone who is truly successful that consistently plays. I don't use super large bank rolls. I actually purposely avoid RFB's and I never give or ask for a player's card and when they bother me I tell them nicely to buzz off b/c I don't want them to know who I am.

FEED BACK REQUEST QUESTION: I know I'm a success thus far (key words) but I want to know how much and how realistic is to continue? b/c then I'd consider switching full time to something else b/c I'm not going back to work a 9-5 anymore. I'm just not. I have had multiple months where I have pulled down well over 30k. I have had months where I have lost 5-10k, and my action is typically like 12-15k in an hour, which I have been looking to tweak and reduce closer to flat betting but not quite there yet. When I first started 5yrs ago I did martingale like crazy b/c I didn't know anything about anything, I was up 34-ish K and I did get bit hard and lost about 32k in a month b/c I had zero discipline (I did actually lose it in a period of a week / 3 separate days) but It was all the houses money and not my own (luckily for sure) and from there I started to learn and make adjustments and came to many of the trend analysis / pattern analysis, and statistical probability stuff that most people come to. Its just crazy to me personally that its just pure luck to have this kind of decent amount of success.

I'd honestly love to hear from you guys (& gals) and your stories.



I am going to give you the best advice I ever received about gambling. I was staying at the Sands in AC and a guy once told me that when you go to the casino, the name of the casino is THE SANDS and when you leave it is still going to be called THE SANDS. Don't try to win the casino!
Sirius666
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January 16th, 2019 at 10:15:28 AM permalink
LOL. I like it. Good stuff thanks, and makes a ton of sense, especially when I have tried to push hard on wins and turn a $300-600 win into a $600-900 loss. Those aren't fun lost profit swings for sure, but I've been improving. The hardest thing is to see that in certain situations, sticking around was better than leaving and vice versa, should have accepted the $300 and just moved to the next shoe.

QUESTION: So does that mean you're saying go for the smaller wins and walk or what? Please elaborate. Did you play Baccarat? Do you play baccarat now? Or is this just a general statement. Do you have a preferred game other than baccarat?

Thank you in advance.
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January 16th, 2019 at 11:04:55 AM permalink
Quote: FatGeezus

the name of the casino is THE SANDS and when you leave it is still going to be called THE SANDS. Don't try to win the casino!

+1
Very sound advice. Keep a sensible perspective, don't get carried away emotionally with dreams of untold wealth just because your first three hands were all black jacks.
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January 16th, 2019 at 12:13:02 PM permalink
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I would def consider myself an advanced player, still learning, but def A-P.



You aren't.
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January 16th, 2019 at 12:54:25 PM permalink
If I'm not, which is fine btw, then what is an AP in baccarat?

And who are you exactly and what do you play? and how often? and whats your success rate?

This is serious, so I don't want deal with any sort of troll or A-hole. As I said, I put my money where my mouth is, can you?
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January 16th, 2019 at 12:55:39 PM permalink
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Hi everyone! I'm new and have a ton of questions I've been asking mostly about Baccarat v other games. I have read through many of the threads but i thought I'd ask some questions that probably have already been answered in some way already BUT, I was looking for fresh answers. Thank you in advance.

QUESTION for the group: Based on what I've been reading here, does anyone even still play baccarat? I ask b/c I have read many of the posts and this idea of sitting down hoping to walk into a situation and "inherit" money from a shoe does make a lot of sense (and I can't remember who posted that but kudos to you and good analogy).

Up to this point I have chosen to look at it more like "investing" / daytrading. You have approximately a 50 / 50 shot of profiting from a 60 second investment. I have had a lot more success than failure and I absorb them. I would def consider myself an advanced player, still learning, but def A-P. Most of the things that make some sense I have figured out on my own that I now see many people have written books about, like the Tambone guy, and others.

QUESTION: Using other analogies posted here, its like the 1% of the 1% who are successful like professional athletes but how much of that is really luck in the case of baccarat (or timing) and how much of that is more of decision based methodology?

QUESTION: If you try and combine a lot of ideas of percentages of success with banker and also following certain trends, or patterns (w/e) and its more successful than not successful, and you are walking away with profit on a legitimately consistent basis, does that not mean that person(s) has some idea in what they are doing? I'm only asking and I really appreciate and respect all other people's (fresh) thoughts.

POKER QUESTION: Should everyone just play poker? Put in 80-120 hrs a week getting good at that game? Its crazy b/c no matter how well you play that game, like any other, if you don't have the cards, and are not getting the cards, then you will mostly and ultimately lose money playing that game as well.

BLACKJACK QUESTION: Same thing, I supposed I could work very very hard at getting good to pretty good at B-J, but how much of a percent advantage do you actually get and all the other variables of making mistakes or being at a table where other people can screw you up. It seems just as treacherous to me as all the other games.

ONLINE COMPUTER BACCARAT: Where and how are people utilizing computers / computer programs to play bac? Or any other game for that matter?

***I spend a lot of time in Vegas, and I'm the kind of guy who will most definitely put his money where his mouth is. This is not a challenge, but I'm serious about finding who these pro players are, and serious about finding anyone who is truly successful that consistently plays. I don't use super large bank rolls. I actually purposely avoid RFB's and I never give or ask for a player's card and when they bother me I tell them nicely to buzz off b/c I don't want them to know who I am.

FEED BACK REQUEST QUESTION: I know I'm a success thus far (key words) but I want to know how much and how realistic is to continue? b/c then I'd consider switching full time to something else b/c I'm not going back to work a 9-5 anymore. I'm just not. I have had multiple months where I have pulled down well over 30k. I have had months where I have lost 5-10k, and my action is typically like 12-15k in an hour, which I have been looking to tweak and reduce closer to flat betting but not quite there yet. When I first started 5yrs ago I did martingale like crazy b/c I didn't know anything about anything, I was up 34-ish K and I did get bit hard and lost about 32k in a month b/c I had zero discipline (I did actually lose it in a period of a week / 3 separate days) but It was all the houses money and not my own (luckily for sure) and from there I started to learn and make adjustments and came to many of the trend analysis / pattern analysis, and statistical probability stuff that most people come to. Its just crazy to me personally that its just pure luck to have this kind of decent amount of success.

I'd honestly love to hear from you guys (& gals) and your stories.

Hi, and welcome to the forum.
Questions beget questions and new ideas and new advantage plays are all eagerly received.

You've apparently discovered that baccarat is a fun game. Frankly, I enjoy losing money as much as the next guy but I far prefer blackjack, where my decisions have some value. With baccarat, the only decision is 'Which losing bet prospect should I wager on next?' The boring answer is 'Banker, followed by banker followed by banker'. That's a bit boring to me. No maths, no strategy decisions. de nada. Zip. Nothing.
But you are an advantage player? What insight do you have that is worth sharing here? Have you found a way of getting an edge? Maybe some casino with stupidly generous comps or loss rebate? Short of that of course, you are not a baccarat AP at all!

For all your questions about baccarat, I'm fresh out of answers, except maybe why it's so unpopular on this forum: This forum is populated mostly by members with the mathematical nous to realise that you cannot beat a house edge by just wagering it. Trends mean nothing. Money management adds no advantage. Counting is of negligible value. Same answers for baccarat online with the added risk of getting stiffed.

I can't answer about poker either.

Blackjack, I can answer. A good blackjack card counter who wong in/out or skillfully ramps his bet within the tolerance of the casino to make a player advantage of the order 0 to maybe a max of 4% Any more than that and he risks getting backed off or booted out. To get such %age advantage, he spends a greater proportion of his time simply watching, scouting, counting. Other players add and detract to a broadly equal extent, so are not relevant. Maybe some of the more experienced practical counters will comment further on that. Ask Zenking. He's the best... In his own estimation.

The real advantage players here don't just try to beat the games. They watch out for and know how to exploit casino (or other player) weaknesses. They can be far far more valuable. But you are an AP. you probably know that.

Regards,
OD.
Beware. The earth is NOT flat. Hit and run is not a winning strategy: Pressing into trends IS not a winning strategy: Progressives are not a winning strategy: Don't Buy It! .Don't even take it for free.
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January 16th, 2019 at 12:59:23 PM permalink
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If I'm not, which is fine btw, then what is an AP in baccarat?

And who are you exactly and what do you play? and how often? and whats your success rate?

This is serious, so I don't want deal with any sort of troll or A-hole. As I said, I put my money where my mouth is, can you?

Polite but firm warning. Do not infer or imply that other members here are trolls or a-holes. Personal insults are not welcome here.
Beware. The earth is NOT flat. Hit and run is not a winning strategy: Pressing into trends IS not a winning strategy: Progressives are not a winning strategy: Don't Buy It! .Don't even take it for free.
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January 16th, 2019 at 1:09:45 PM permalink
First off thank you for at least trying to offer something, and not being a total troll. Although the bold type is a bit unnecessary, but thats fine.

If there is no such thing as AP player in the game of baccarat then then what would consistent success be then? Just some lucky person and thats it?

Secondly, It does not appear that most anyone here is a mathematical nous at anything, much less baccarat.

It cannot just be "mathematical luck" over the course of years to be good at any game. And talking about progressions in blackjack certainly does not seem much different than a progression in Baccarat.

Either again, in your estimation, WHAT constitutes an baccarat AP? other than RFBs & other rebates / commission reductions?

Or does that just not simply exist?

On top of that, what have you ever won in Black jack? How much have you won? and how long? where do you stand? Player weakness doesn't even apply to Black jack btw as you said, unless you're speaking of poker? are you?

I want to hear it.
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January 16th, 2019 at 1:13:33 PM permalink
Thats fine and I apologize but putting answers / comments in bold type is not exactly respectful either, but again since we are pointing things out, you should know yes?


Anyway, In your whole Black jack career? Your whole Poker career? Your whole anything career? How much have you made and lost? and how far are you ahead or behind?

Seriously, I invite anyone to try and answer honestly? Because according to Vegas and all the reports that would mean virtually EVERYONE is behind, INCLUDING 99.9% of all the people on this forum, including you.

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