OnceDear
Posted by OnceDear
Sep 08, 2020

Now 45 Winning Sessions $:o)

Posted because it amuses me.

I sometimes post about long streaks of winning sessions, such as when I had 34 consecutive winning sessions.

Today I report my progress on another great streak, having won a trivial £50 or more, on each of my 41 most recent consecutive online sessions. Not One Losing session since mid June and a profit of >£2.4k.

Proof available to moderators and selected members.

Anyhow, here's the bankroll chart. It shows all 41 sessions over the period 8th June to 8th Sept. typically 1 to 10 sessions per week.

It was recreational RNG Blackjack play, with no card counting, no bonuses and no advantage. It was a -EV situation.

Here's how each session went:-
I'd log in, typically at the end of the day and settle down to play about 30 mins to an hour.
I'd credit £100 to my online account and then play RNG Atlantic City Blackjack. Initial wagering was typically a 2,4,6,8,10,15,20,25 progressive. If my balance reached £150, I'd cash out and go to bed.
If I lost that £100 buy in, I'd credit another £250 and attempt to claw my balance up to £400 to give me that £50 profit. With these funds, I'd typically play 10,20,30,30 progressive. Max wager would be a £30, doubling or splitting a few times. If my balance reached £400, I'd cash out and go to bed.
But sometimes I'd lose that second buy in, leaving me £350 in the hole. (3 times) $:o( Then I'd buy in with another £250 and attempt to claw back up to £650. I was lucky. It wasn't outrageously lucky, but I never needed to make a fourth buy in.... So I can't say what I'd have done for a fourth buy in. I'd probably have quit playing for a few weeks and NOT made this blog post, or at least have posted the bad outcome as a warning. Or I MIGHT have bought in for £500 and tried to claw back to £1150.... But probably not.

This is, of course Selective reporting... It's an easy trick!
You don't get to see the carnage before or after these sessions $:o)




*I do mess with progressive wagering for fun, and I can easily afford it. Don't try this at home and expect to win. OnceDear was a lucky tit this time. It's not always so. Not by a long stretch.

Comments

ChumpChange
ChumpChange Sep 08, 2020

So are you gonna double your bets after you win 72 times? It takes 12 wins for a new buy-in. So get 5 buy-ins ahead and tack 1 on for a double-up session.

OnceDear
OnceDear Sep 09, 2020

Hi ChumpChange: Thanks for the question/suggestion.

TLDR: In a word no! It would be insane to increase my buy-ins.

This was recreational, and I was quite lucky to end up ahead. I never needed to make a 4th buy-in, or a 5th or 6th.... That chasing of losses would have been increasingly desperate and stupid. Remember, I did say that this was selective reporting $:o)

The way I increased my buy-ins into any session that initially lost, is, of course, similar to martingaling but at the buy in level, rather than the wager level. If we take the initial buy-in of £100, I had approx (100/150) = 66.7% chance of simply hitting my £50 profit goal immediately and 33.3% chance of having to make the follow up £250 buy-in #2. *

Now, with that second buy-in and new win goal of (100+250+50)=400 I had (250/400)=62.5% * chance of hitting my goal and 37.5% chance of having to make yet another buy-in #3. *

Then with that third buy-in and new win goal of (100+250+250+50)=650 I had (250/650)=38.5% * chance of hitting goal and 61.5% chance of having to make yet another buy-in #4.....

And by now I'd be in the hole for £600, facing the need to massively increase my buy in even for a 50% chance of survival! That's how progressive betting kills. That's why it's only ever worth doing for amusement value with expendable funds.

I was lucky. For any individual session, the chance of finding myself losing all of buy-in #3 was roughly...

0.333*0.375*0.61= 7.6% ( 1 in 13 )

So over the 41 sessions that I completed, my chance of NOT having to make a 4th buy-in at any time was (1-0.076)^41= 4% and the chance of having to make buy-in #4 at some point was about 96%*

I played Russian roulette with a 13 chamber revolver and dodged the bullet 41 times!!!!

I did say that this was selective reporting! I've played similar bunches of sessions in the past and lost back all profits and more when buy-in #4 has been quickly needed and was a choice of £500+ or walk away bruised. I usually walk away bruised. :o)



* All maths are approximate and ignore the 0.35% house edge of the underlying game.

I used OnceDear's Rule of Thumb in estimating probabilities.

OnceDear
OnceDear Sep 10, 2020

I skipped playing yesterday.

But it would be rude not to.....

Loaded up the single chamber in the 13 chamber hypothetical revolver

Pointed at temple.

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Click.

Phew

Tonight it was buy in £100: Lose £85 of that : Buy in £250: Claw balance up to £400: Cash out.



It was notable that I quickly got to £395 but then briefly lost my way down to £348 before clambering back to £400



[NOTE: This is a dumb-ass recreational way of losing money]

OnceDear
OnceDear Sep 11, 2020

Once again: It would have been rude not to

Buy-in £100: Cash out £151.50. Never went below £80

So now I have 43 consecutive winning sessions of >=£50 profit each time. Subject edited. Chart to be updated later.

I wonder if 50 sessions will be achieved? Watch this space.

OnceDear
OnceDear Sep 11, 2020

Another Day, Another Dollar.



Tonight's session went smoothly. Bought in for £100. Played about 30 mins. Cashed out £150 dead.



Brings me to session 44. 50 is beckoning. Will I make it?

OnceDear
OnceDear Sep 11, 2020

Second session of this Friday Evening



Bought in £100

Played about 30 mins, slightly aggressive at 5,10,15 progressive till I had 140 or more then 1,2,3,4,5 progressive.

Cashed out £150.50



How can I resist trying for 50 sessions? Glad I didn't have to dip into secondary buy-in. Sort of inevitable if I have 5 more tries.

OnceDear
Posted by OnceDear
Dec 27, 2019

OD's Dry Challenge

I've decided to challenge myself to abstain from alcohol for 3 months: No big deal: It's a personal challenge where I may choose to reveal my own personal habits and traits. As expected of such a challenge, all sorts of opinions and analysis have been offered. I've been offered some kind words of encouragement and support, some 'critical analysis' and I've received some obnoxious personal attacks (elsewhere). Some trolls do like to troll. Whatever!

Here's the original thread where I commit to going 'dry' for Jan, Feb, March of 2020
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/34101-the-oncedear-goes-dry-challenge/

Apparently, 'Dry January' is something of a quirky British tradition. I'm just extending it for my purposes.

Yes: Not drinking at all for 3 months will be challenging to me. I've done it before, for longer. It's an exercise of my own choosing and I don't care what some folk read into that.

Since I doubt the topic warrants constant exposure in the 'Recent threads' list, I'm going to diarise* my progress here. Later, if the moderators deem the topic to be 'controversial' or in breach of rule 19, that thread might get closed and this might be all that remains. So far my fellow moderators appear to be tolerating it.

Thanks to all who offered encouragement and wagers in the form of pledges to charity. Thanks even for constructive criticism. Zero thanks for trolls putting words into my mouth.

So, far, if I fail in my challenge, I'll forfeit *£100 to a UK charity of my choosing plus *£5 for each 'unit' imbibed over the whole 3 month period. I'd also pay $100 to Wizard's nominated charity and $50 to BeachbumBab's charity. If I succeed, Wizard and BBB have pledged donations to my chosen charity.

I am not accepting wagers or sponsorship for my own financial benefit.

* And yes: I may use UK currency, Imperial or metric measures and English spelling. So bite me!

Comments

Zcore13
Zcore13 Dec 27, 2019

You got lucky with Wiz saying ok to .5% alcohol beer. I would have said no. What If you drink 10 beers in a day? That's like having a full regular beer,

OnceDear
OnceDear Dec 27, 2019

Wizard said OK to '<0.05%' which is what our authorities permit to be called 'Alcohol free' Not '<0.5%'

There are four types; alcohol-free, de-alcoholised, low-alcohol and alcoholic beer.

These are defined by:

Alcohol-free beer = no more than 0.05% ABV

De-alcoholised beer = no more than 0.5% ABV

Low-alcohol beer = no more than 1.2% ABV

Alcoholic beer = contains more than 1.2% ABV

Zcore13
Zcore13 Dec 27, 2019

My bad. I mis-resd your percentage.

OnceDear
OnceDear Dec 28, 2019

Stocked up on some supplies for the challenge $:o)



How did that get there?

But seriously, the whiskey miniature is for toasting in the new year and will be my last till April.

Extra practice dry day today: I've had a hot chocolate and will be going to bed early.

odiousgambit
odiousgambit Dec 29, 2019

no buttermilk? I give you my secret weapon and you aren't going to use it?

OnceDear
OnceDear Dec 29, 2019

Buttermilk!

It's not in my regular diet so I don't know if I'll like it and I can't say I've ever noticed it in the store.

In deference to your recommendation, I'll seek some out next time I go shopping.



Cheers.

odiousgambit
odiousgambit Dec 30, 2019

warning: buttermilk is no less a matter of 'acquired taste' than whiskey is.



but you will agree there is no mixing the two

OnceDear
OnceDear Dec 30, 2019

Though my challenge does not kick in for another 26 hours*, today I had no alcohol. Yesterday I had 1/2 a pint of beer, as I was cooking with beer.



Nightcaps of Hot Chocolate both nights.



Certainly no struggle yet



*00:05 UTC 1 Jan

OnceDear
OnceDear Dec 30, 2019

Tomorrow, I'll be starting a 40 (UK) pint batch of home brew. It will be just perfect to open in April.

I need to get a siphon pump for when I bottle it, as accidentally sucking some wort into my mouth would be unacceptable.

OnceDear
OnceDear Dec 31, 2019

It's begun. Last JD glugged at 15 sec before midnight.

DRich
DRich Jan 01, 2020

Please track your weight during your challenge as I would like to know what effect the challenge and your diet has.

OnceDear
OnceDear Jan 01, 2020

Tracking my weight, indeed.

I'll restrict it to PM with a select few.

Have invited gwae to do likewise as he is giving up soda for the same duration.

OnceDear
OnceDear Jan 02, 2020

An insight to the British tradition of 'Dry January'



https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/ee7aa735-492c-42da-9ff2-e46adebf7a9e

OnceDear
OnceDear Jan 04, 2020

I'll be doing updates here, more or less weekly. Here's an interim one.

4 days in and no problems at all.

I've been doing my annual tax return, which is usually accompanied by a few relaxation drinks $:o) but even that got to me no worse than 'Hmm. A drink would be nice.'

Liking the hot chocolate but not getting much joy from the orange juice, which just doesn't 'touch the sides' Found myself a bit tired in the afternoon, possibly related to the hot chocolate.

I know it's early days, but I'm also trying to eat better ( in between Christmas chocolate) and I've lost about a pound per day even with that.

OnceDear
OnceDear Jan 11, 2020

Update.



Still dry with no real problems.

Frequently felt 'Hmmm a drink would be nice now' but no insatiable urge. Been pacing around a little, but nothing new there.

A few restless nights where I've been kept awake by trivia from the day-time. Unsure if that not being able to 'switch off' was down to lack of a night-cap.

Weight down just 4 pounds from the start. Too soon to say how it will trend.



Feeling 75% confident of success.



Will probably update fortnightly from now on.

odiousgambit
odiousgambit Jan 14, 2020

the lack of buttermilk vitamins to replace lost alcohol vitamins is going to doom you ... j.k.



but did you find that the UK is a buttermilk free zone? if so I would find it remarkable as it is used in cooking over here

OnceDear
OnceDear Jan 14, 2020

I've still not seen buttermilk in our shops. Apparently available in small tubs as a cooking ingredient.



I looked it up



In the shops



If I see some, I'll buy some.

OnceDear
OnceDear Jan 15, 2020

Quote: odiousgambit

warning: buttermilk is no less a matter of 'acquired taste' than whiskey is.

But you will agree there is no mixing the two.





I found some. No varieties to choose from. According to the tub, 30ml is a portion. I didn't read that until I'd poured a lot more in my favourite JD glass.

You weren't kidding about it being an acquired taste! It can be an extra penalty for if I fail on my challenge. 300ml of that stuff would be enough deterrent for anyone.

Incidentally, before I found this stuff, I found two varieties of goats milk and one 'Asian' supermarket selling camels' milk

Anyhow, this dry challenge is too easy, so for no good reason whatsoever, I'm also making February a vegetarian month. Not Vegan: I'm not totally crazy! Only penalty for failing the veggy month will be to drink a tub of this buttermilk stuff.

odiousgambit
odiousgambit Jan 18, 2020

I definitely would shoot myself if I had to limit myself to 30ml. I can hardly hold myself back to drink just a quart, or 946 ml. Maybe 30ml is for cooking.



You have to admit, once you've downed some buttermilk, there's no way you can drink booze.

OnceDear
OnceDear Jan 18, 2020

Quote:

You have to admit, once you've downed some buttermilk, there's no way you can drink booze.



Obviously I can't run that experiment until April (I might) but I could have happily gargled with gasoline to take the taste away.

I chucked the second half tub away. It didn't feel like a waste.

OnceDear
OnceDear Jan 23, 2020

Status update:-

Yayyyyy. 25% of the way into the 91 day challenge and all is well.

The mild urges that I've had to imbibe JD at bedtime have subsided. If I get the urge, I just distract myself with some hot chocolate. Lunch time drinking with buddies, or drinking when out having a pub dinner is now simple substitution of beer with tonic water and blackcurrent. Tonic and black is more expensive than beer :o(

Weight loss has stalled, in fact reversed a little.

A quick shout out to GWAE: Congratulations on 25% into your no pop parallel challenge.

OnceDear
OnceDear Jan 26, 2020

Today, I encounter the biggest temptation to date. Caught me a bit wrong-footed:-

Making a batch of my signature Bolognese. I needed to open a bottle of my Cabernet to add a glassful to the sauce. I am resisting and won't take a sip, but it's surprisingly alluring. The rest of the bottle will probably haunt me till April.

odiousgambit
odiousgambit Jan 26, 2020

The weakening has begun. Excellent! 



j.k. 



sooner or later we have to discuss this idea of temporary abstinence. it is not embraced by everybody, that's for sure. Maybe in the US some of the resistance comes from our Prohibition history - these things can be wrong-minded

OnceDear
OnceDear Jan 26, 2020

Hi ODG,

Photo now appended. I really did pour it all in the pan and moved the rest of the bottle out of sight. It was an odd and unexpected temptation. Maybe because I'd not thought of a strategy or substitute like I had for the JD and beer.

I've now got totally used to not having the nightcap with no withdrawal. Not drinking beer in the pub has been a cinche. Maybe if it were summer, I'd get tempted while gardening. It's said that it takes about a month to break a habit and I can see that is true. Until you try it, you can't see the subtle change and no amount of description will do it justice.



Onto the psychology of the Dry January type abstinence that many Brits practice:

Maybe it is subtle institutional propaganda from our nanny state, but I do find myself receptive to the idea. I suppose it's something like a Sabbatical: A pilgrimage, or a period of introspection. Some of my Christian, Hindu and Muslim friends practice such restrictions out of religious observance and maybe there has been a cultural injection from our colonial years and years of multiculturalism. Maybe I just have too much time on my hands and maybe it's a difference in lifestyle between your country and mine. We Brits/Europeans tend, I suspect, to be more receptive to the idea of introspection and even acceptance of our failings. Unlike some on this forum, I don't think i know it all. Unlike those others, I embrace the change and don't rebel against it.

If nothing else, I'm testing myself. Proving that I'm in control, while acknowledging that it takes conscious effort to stay there. It would be oh so easy to say "I don't need to prove I'm in control, because I just am"

Incidentally, to make this a bit more challenging, I've dropped one of the big barriers to my failure. It's a bit perverse, but it was set that if I failed, my first drink would see me throwing $150 to moderators' charities: An expensive price of failure. I've decided that I will pay those donations, win or lose. $:o)

And to those who laugh at my 'Problem'. Frankly their ignorance is their problem.

odiousgambit
odiousgambit Jan 26, 2020

Some of the criticism of dry January goes beyond 'irritation at fads' and goes towards the 'more harm than good' health wise. I think more harm than good is possible for someone who really does have a drinking problem, as I think it is well established that abstinence , oddly, does little to nothing as far as reducing the physical dependence. In other words, a drinker picks up right where he left off in the addiction spectrum. You might assume that a guy who has trouble stopping once he has one drink would find this is 'cured' for him at least for a bit, with say dry January, till he builds it all back up again, but this just does not happen [though surely there is a small effect at first].



In the meantime almost every drinker is plotting a big celebration once he has achieved such a goal, which may contribute to the wrong-headed thinking that is half his problem to begin with. 



Since you know I drink, it may surprise you that I think everyone who really drinks, discounting the people who nurse a glass at odd times only, is somewhere on the spectrum. I believe someone who really drinks, drinks too much sometimes - or is not really a drinker but instead in the discounted category above. I'm somewhere in the neighborhood of 50 years of 'real' drinking for myself, not quite 50 I guess, and have to say a period of abstinence just doesn't strike me as something constructive - my approach has been to intentionally practice various ways of moderation, and I am thankful for being able to do that. Some can't do this and do risk needing to quit completely. 



On the other hand, I applaud you for your efforts, and do concede there are arguments out there for what you are doing that have merit. Individuals differ.

odiousgambit
odiousgambit Jan 26, 2020
OnceDear
OnceDear Jan 26, 2020

Hi ODG,

Thanks for showing the interest.



Quote: ODG

Since you know I drink, it may surprise you that I think everyone who really drinks, discounting the people who nurse a glass at odd times only, is somewhere on the spectrum. I believe someone who really drinks, drinks too much sometimes - or is not really a drinker but instead in the discounted category above. I'm somewhere in the neighborhood of 50 years of 'real' drinking for myself, not quite 50 I guess, and have to say a period of abstinence just doesn't strike me as something constructive - my approach has been to intentionally practice various ways of moderation, and I am thankful for being able to do that. Some can't do this and do risk needing to quit completely.



I can see merit in your argument. Certainly most of us are on 'a spectrum' According to various guidelines I'm 'At rsk of adverse health consequences' simply by virtue of the regularity of my drinking, not so much the quantity.



You might be surprised to hear that I won't be going on a celebratory bender on April 1st. I'll ease into a safer regime and will probably hold that regime for at least a year. This all coincides with other lifestyle changes I'm working on. It should be constructive if only be giving my body a detox. But yes. I'm aware I might be in denial.

OnceDear
OnceDear Feb 14, 2020

Minor update.

This is day 45 of 90: I'm half way through my self imposed 3 month break from drinking.

I've not touched a drop. There's been very little urge to drink and I'm satisfied that I'll sail through the next 45 days.

Counting down is easier after this half way point. I'm looking forward to my next drink, but it won't automatically be at 00:05 on April 1st. I'm not spending the next 45 days wishing my life away.



Skipping the evening nightcap has led to an unexpected consequence: I've been going to bed much earlier, much more often, and getting up earlier. Night cap has been chocolate with full fat milk.



Weight is down about 5 pounds over the term. It was briefly down 7 pounds and never up above the initial weigh-in.



* And buttermilk still tastes like puke.

odiousgambit
odiousgambit Feb 16, 2020

Congratulations on 45 days!

OnceDear
OnceDear Feb 29, 2020

Yayyyyy. Two months completed out of three.

Still haven't touched a drop, and to be honest I'm not missing it any more. Feeling a bit more healthy and sleeping better and often earlier.

Have eaten smaller meals, about 1,200 kCals per day, for all of the past week and I'm now 7 pounds down for the YTD.

Still have that open bottle of red wine, left over from the ragu. Looking forward to a taste of that in April.

Also, just started to make a batch of Home Brew ale. That will be just ready to drink by then, but 40 pints should last a while.

odiousgambit
odiousgambit Mar 07, 2020

congratulations! and regarding your homebrew ambitions, a sentiment for you that I have set to go at just the right time:



https://youtu.be/Tm-e-LfrU7g?t=3293

OnceDear
OnceDear Mar 08, 2020

LOL. Where did you dig that up?

odiousgambit
odiousgambit Mar 09, 2020

> LOL. Where did you dig that up?



that's a favorite in certain homebrewing circles



as you know, I make homebrew, and when I first started it didn't take me long to realize what I could imitate well was not American lagers but English ales - and my tastes in beer changed accordingly. I too celebrate that style!

John0451
John0451 Mar 10, 2020

Hello, I have such a question, can a withdrawal from a casino be the same as with this

[edit: Link redacted] ?

OnceDear
OnceDear Mar 20, 2020

Update.



It's now day 80 of my 91 day challenge and in spite of some serious stress (Bloody Covid19), I'm still dry. I suspect that if I hadn't started this challenge, my alcohol consumption might have increased significantly. Wary not to let that happen, come April.

Spent the last 4 days 'Social distancing' as advised by the UK government. That comprises only infrequent short visits to the stores for essential supplies, and apart from that, I'm socially isolated along with Wife and an elderly family member. We can go for short walks together or apart, but the weather hasn't been great so it's virtual bug-in.

Stocks of drinking chocolate are depleted and Milk is mostly sold out in the nearest stores.

So my nightly hot choc night-cap has had to be restricted. Tonight's hot choc was made with water and was god-awful.

Can't get in a 'big monthly grocery shop' because of shortages, which means I have to trek from store to store getting what I can, when I can. Stores are rationing most things and completely out of many things. Chicken not available anywhere. Ground beef rare as hens teeth.

Spent today racking and making more beer and will have about 120 bottles ready soon. Looking forward to tasting some.

Pubs, restaurants and the gym are closed from tonight onwards.

odiousgambit
odiousgambit Mar 27, 2020

take heart, most people pass over the ample supply of buttermilk!

OnceDear
OnceDear Mar 31, 2020

Here in the UK, it's now April and I have completed my three months of abstinence. Yayyyyy.

When I started this, I'd never imagined that I would end it confined to my own home for the forseeable future. So, no going to the pub for a celebration meal and drink.

In deference to this forum, I won't take that first drink until the forum also reaches April in the Pacific Time Zone.

OnceDear
OnceDear Apr 01, 2020

And it is DONE!

Three months without so much as a taste of alcohol. I wasn't confident at the outset, but with the support of members here, I got more and more confidence and less and less inclined to drink. So much so that I nullified one of my incentives in that I'm going to pay out on my side wagers with Wizard and BeachBumBabs to support their charities. But I'm now calling on them to support mine:Shelter UK

It's been pretty stressful this last month with the COVID situation and now I'm required to stay home isolated for at least 3 months. I sure know how long three months feels!

Take care folks.

OnceDear
Posted by OnceDear
Nov 25, 2018

Black(jack) Friday Fun

Had a spectacular Black Friday and Saturday with a 100% deposit match promo.

Popped in 600 just after midnight Friday morning and had it matched up to 1200. Cool.

Proceeded to play like a lunatic and by the time I went to bed at 2:30am I'd lost over 600 of it and still had >14,000 wagering requirement ahead of me. DAMN!

Stupid Stupid OnceDear!

I didn't sleep well and resigned myself to losing the other 600 before any chance of achieving those wagering requirements. DAMN!

Friday am, stumbled out of bed at 8 and started grinding away at trivial min bets: Might as well get some gameplay in.
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Phew. by the early hours of Saturday morning, I'd not only ground through the wagering requirements, but I also had a residual balance >1000 for which I've put in my withdrawal request. Lot's and lots of good variance.

Now I just have to hope that the funds arrive some time in the next week or so.
Was OnceDear a lucky tit? Well, it looks that way, but let's wait and see if they give me my money, or tell me to 'go away in short sharp jerky motions'.

Comments

odiousgambit
odiousgambit Nov 27, 2018

>100% deposit match promo



goes to show that +EV moves are still 'gambling' as the chance for failure did loom



>I just have to hope that the funds arrive some time in the next week or so



that's the part I can not accept. I'm still a hold-out when it comes to online gambling

OnceDear
OnceDear Nov 27, 2018

Thanks ODG,

I was unreasonably reckless at the start of play. I COULD have met the wagering requirements with negligible risk and virtually guaranteed a modest profit ( subject to them letting me get away with stuff ) but instead I threw down some big wagers to try to save time and be greedy* and just ran bad for a what was only a few minutes. I cursed myself as I went to bed having thrown away my advantage.

To be left with a big wagering requirement just to get my own money back was a dumb position to put myself in and I knew it.

On the next morning, I played pretty minimalist and had a long session of steady good fortune. To cash out at all was very lucky, but to cash out a big profit was icing on the cake. There is a bit more to this, which I'll share by PM.

You are not wrong to be wary of gambling online, but it's a case of estimating and mitigating the risks of default.

OnceDear
OnceDear Nov 27, 2018

Well, I'd rather expected that the online casino MIGHT cry 'bonus abuse' and withhold my money.



But no. The profit from my Black Friday adventure just hit my bank account.



NICE!

winterfire
winterfire Jan 08, 2020

its ok

OnceDear
Posted by OnceDear
Sep 06, 2018

Withdrawal Rejected

Dang Nabbit!

I play most of my BlackJack online and because I'm in the UK and online gambling is quite legal and unrestricted, I've been happily using PayPal as the means of depositing to and withdrawing from my Casino account. It's pretty much the main use for that Paypal account, which I historically used for trading on eBay.
Typical month would see 10 or so deposits and 10 or so withdrawals as I try to maintain a modest balance on both. Transactions typically £50 to £1,000 in either direction and from time to time, I move funds to or from my bank account from Paypal... All pretty straightforward.

Until tonight!!!!

This month, I've been exploiting some pretty good offers and that has meant ramping up my wagering, and correspondingly ramping up my PayPal transactions.
And tonight, for the first time ever, my online casino account 'Transaction log' shows 'Withdrawal - Failed' followed almost immediately by 'Withdrawal - Rejected'

So, I contacted the Casino live chat and was told ( paraphrasing ) 'Oh yes - that happens a lot and is to do with money laundering legislation. You'll need to contact PayPal'. I asked if I could withdraw any other way and was told 'Funds have to be returned to the same account that they came from... Money laundering yada yada'

Needless to say PayPal don't have live chat help and are only open office hours. Feeling a bit pissed off, especially as PayPal were only too happy to let me make two payments to my casino totalling £800, this very day.

Groan... updates to follow after I ring PayPal tomorrow morning!.

Comments

OnceDear
OnceDear Sep 07, 2018

Hmmmmmfffff.

Rang Paypal. Advisor said that there is no problem with my account and no log of an incoming transaction having been attempted or being rejected. I'm inclined to believe them and suspect he problem was at the casino. sending end, of the transaction. Have attempted to withdraw similar amount, spread over 2 smaller transactions. They are currently marked as pending and should arrive by tomorrow, on past form. Just in case PayPal are going to start messing me about, have pulled all my cash credit from there.



Meanwhile... caning the free play that the casino are falling over themselves to give me lately.

VCUSkyhawk
VCUSkyhawk Sep 07, 2018

It really irks me when companies pull the "blame the other guy" routine. When that happens I do a three way (not the good kind) and make them talk to get me a resolution. Hope you get your cash.

OnceDear
OnceDear Sep 07, 2018

Quote: VCUSkyhawk

It really irks me when companies pull the "blame the other guy" routine.

Yes. it pisses me off too. I have some knowledge of these payment gateway systems and I'm quite convinced it's the casino's fault. In similar situations, I just consider who has the primary business relationship and who is just a third party contractor. In this case. I have a relationship with the casino and PayPal is just a contractor that the casino happens to use as a third party supplier. So, regardless of who caused the problem, I would demand that the casino chase their own contractor ( Paypal ) and get it sorted. It's a bit more complex in that Paypal have a relationship with me too, but the problem is not between me and them in any case.



So far, the replacement withdrawals are showing as 'pending'. The one that bounced, did so immediately and conspicuously, so I'm hopeful the funds are now flowing my way.



The Casino have been flawless in terms of service for a few years, so I'll count this as strike one. They won't be trusted with as much of my money in future.

OnceDear
OnceDear Sep 08, 2018

Funds came through OK on the retry.

So I accept that this was a transient system fault. I do think it was at the casino end and I was disappointed that they tried to blame PayPal.

Forgiven this time.

odiousgambit
odiousgambit Sep 09, 2018

another online gambling story to horrify me - and this in the [comparatively speaking] paradise for gambling of the UK



I think this sort of thing bothers me more than the average guy



how does one go about laundering money this way anyway? I mean really. Usually today it involves having cash earned illegally on hand and you need to make it look legitimate. Seems to me Paypal would be getting the money after it was already laundered, unavoidably so, or what am I missing?

OnceDear
OnceDear Sep 09, 2018

This was just a glitch in a £600 withdrawal. My take-away lesson is to only maintain a modest balance and not the rent money. It hasn't put me off the gaf or off online gambling in general.



Money laundering regs are a bit absurd. Basically the government insisting that there is always a 'know your customer' obligation for transactions over a few £K Having the ability to pretty much anonymously move funds from person a to person b with no audit trail seems to be what the Gov are concerned about. It's all pretty dumb and 'big brother ish' if you ask me.

FleaStiff
FleaStiff Sep 13, 2018

I don't know if it was the casino blaming PayPal. It was probably the casino clerk simply blaming the outsider since otherwise he might have to actually figure out what was wrong and perhaps even rectify it himself.



I would never process transactions in the same amount, only similar amounts but never the same. You want to be able to differentiate transactions without worrying about the time of the transaction. So if someone puts 100 into my paypal account, I will withdraw 102 or the like.



Recently, everything got screwed up for me with my bank and Amazon.

I noticed that my bank account was processing this weird amount relating to an Amazon charge. What struck me as significant was not just that I didn't recognize the amount as a recent purchase but that the bank indicated the transaction was "processing" for hours and hours and hours. This meant that I could make no electronic inquiries about it during that time. After twenty or thirty cell phone minutes were wasted, I finally told the fraud division at the bank to cancel the transaction that had been "processing" for about twelve hours.



It turns out that it was my Amazon annual charge and they had failed to email me a reminder that it would be going thru my account as they would normally do three days before bank submittal. So now I can't watch Amazon videos, order from Amazon Prime or Amazon, see my orders list, or do anything.



I should have just let the darn thing be "processing" as long as the bank wanted to process it.

OnceDear
Posted by OnceDear
Jun 24, 2018

Confessions of a Ploppy

It's been overdue for a while.... And I've alluded to it before....

Oncedear is not always a lucky tit !
OnceDear LOSES ! Big and too often.
You see, OnceDear is usually a recreational player with no advantage.

There. i said it.
As Odiousgambit recently noted...
Quote: odiousgambit

suspicious about how your sagas always get you back to even, but glad you did.



Well, my sessions and adventures absolutely do not 'always get me back to even'
The fact is, the sessions where I end up even, or better than even, are amusing to write up. It's selective reporting of the most obvious kind and I just don't write up the sessions where I lose my shirt. And there have been some doozies.

So here, laid bare is the big picture in two charts: The first chart shows the rapid ascent of what I consider my lifetime bankroll, over the period Jan 2014 to Sept 2015: It was a glorious time...

The second chart extends up to the current day and shows in glorious technicolor how quickly my bankroll has tumbled with a few bad sessions.
TLDR version... I won £6,000... Lost my way down to £1200 or so... Won my way back to about £17500 (or so)... And then lost my way down to £2567.31 which is where I stand right now. I'm still in pocket, but the trend is not my friend.

I expect to have depleted my bankroll entirely, some time this year, at which point I'll replenish it from my savings and pension lump sum.
Charts are of buy-in / cash-out points only and do not show the actual high point which was transient and over £18,000. My bankroll is a tally of those buy-ins/cash outs and the actual funds are not ring-fenced.

Chart one. The ascent.

Chart two. How the mighty are fallen.


So, Odious. You are forgiven for being cynical. Am I forgiven for only blogging my good sessions?

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odiousgambit
odiousgambit Jun 24, 2018

>Am I forgiven for only blogging my good sessions?



yes



and shame on me. I'm sure it is pure envy as my lifetime losses are in the negative column. Not too bad though, my main problem is I tip [see how the need to defend oneself pops up!] I've been think ing about blogging about my lifetime results. But it's harder when it is overall negative vis a vis your lifetime 'still up'



there I go again!



100xOdds
100xOdds Jun 24, 2018

i started keeping track of my wins and loses (poker, vp, craps) for the past 4 years.

went up to +$17k then tumbled down to +$5k, then last year hit $10k worth of w2-g in $1 vp in 1 day!

im now at +$18k.

OnceDear
OnceDear Jun 24, 2018

The great thing that I remain conscious of is that this entire bankroll started out at £100 buy in and I've had 4 1/2 years fun with it and I'm not done yet. I did once say that I'd quit completely if it went this bad, so I won't predict what I do when it's completely depleted. Probably lob in a fresh 10k.



LOL @ w2gs. We don't have to worry about tax on winnings here. It would be a b1tch to calculate and pay tax on each upswing and not get to reclaim it.

gamerfreak
gamerfreak Jun 29, 2018

What game do you normally play?