can anyone make a living from gambling baccarat? ??

Why didn't Varmenti put 'know Donald Trump' on his dating
resume? Anything sounds better than singer/song writer. That's
what my 12 year old nephew thinks he is.

Gr8player got great mm here. I wonder anyone here try it and how it works out. I am still searching for the right mm. I believe mm is the main thing in playing baccarat game.

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Gr8player got great mm here. I wonder anyone here try it and how it works out. I am still searching for the right mm. I believe mm is the main thing in playing baccarat game.

sure it is. bet less and play less hands = lose less and last longer at the table.

Threads like this make me laugh. Can you play a negative EV game for a living? Not if you want to have money. There are beatable games in casinos like BJ when counting, poker against other players and others I'm sure given the right circumstances but I can't see any proof that someone can beat baccarat on anything more than luck.

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poker against other players and others

Poker is DEAD. BJ is horrible in Vegas. LOL. 6/5. As for baccarat the game is cool but the majority of the players are idiots. Before I would say 95% now is more like 99%. Talk about Pareto's Law being really extreme.

Best thing to do is get into these WOV meet ups. Find out who and what Uncle AxelWolf and many of his cohorts look like. Once you do troll any casinos with a +EV going on and hopefully you run into these guys. Once you find them throw money at them to play for you and split the profits. If they fall asleep donkey punch them back to reality and make sure they are grinding out the proper coin and get your money's worth.

Then go home a winner.

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Poker is DEAD. BJ is horrible in Vegas. LOL. 6/5. As for baccarat the game is cool but the majority of the players are idiots. Before I would say 95% now is more like 99%. Talk about Pareto's Law being really extreme.

Best thing to do is get into these WOV meet ups. Find out who and what Uncle AxelWolf and many of his cohorts look like. Once you do troll any casinos with a +EV going on and hopefully you run into these guys. Once you find them throw money at them to play for you and split the profits. If they fall asleep donkey punch them back to reality and make sure they are grinding out the proper coin and get your money's worth.

Then go home a winner.

Poker is dead? Not sure where that gem of logic came from? I have played for a living for 3 years and make an extremely comfortable living. As far as BJ, the strip is dead for BJ but as I am sure Kewlj would be happy to tell you Las Vegas is still the best place to be a counter.

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Poker is dead? Not sure where that gem of logic came from? I have played for a living for 3 years and make an extremely comfortable living. As far as BJ, the strip is dead for BJ but as I am sure Kewlj would be happy to tell you Las Vegas is still the best place to be a counter.

Would have to agree. My neighbor across the street has been a professional poker player for the past 20 something years. Mortgage, two cars, two kids. Seems to be doing alright. His wife doesn't work.

I haven't played BJ on the strip on probably 5 years, at least. No point. There are still good tables in Vegas however

Depends on what you consider comfortable living

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Depends on what you consider comfortable living

Well I'm not rich or anything but I'm 24, I have averaged just over $60,000 the last three years (tax free). I have a teaching degree which if I used I think starting salary is about $45,000 before taxes. Like I said I'm not rich but I get to travel a lot and my only boss is myself.

Poker earnings are tax free? That's interesting if you mean it the way that sounds. What about travel expenses/healthcare?

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Well I'm not rich or anything but I'm 24, I have averaged just over $60,000 the last three years (tax free). I have a teaching degree which if I used I think starting salary is about $45,000 before taxes. Like I said I'm not rich but I get to travel a lot and my only boss is myself.

If you live in Vegas..... I say in the future one day you will give Don Bright a ring. LOL. I knew a few who did and are doing pretty well.

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Poker earnings are tax free? That's interesting if you mean it the way that sounds. What about travel expenses/healthcare?

I believe he is a Canadien so free health care?

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Poker earnings are tax free? That's interesting if you mean it the way that sounds. What about travel expenses/healthcare?

I'm Canadian, government doesn't consider poker pro a profession. They value it the same as playing a slot machine. Healthcare also free cause I'm Canadian and I think I paid $100 usd for my travellers insurance for the whole year. Travel expenses come out of that but I have friends in a lot of places I go and can usually grab a free room here and there with different casinos. I also always travel with other pros when I travel for poker. Expenses are pretty cheap when splitting them with four guys.

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If you live in Vegas..... I say in the future one day you will give Don Bright a ring. LOL. I knew a few who did and are doing pretty well.

Who's Don Bright?

Hello DMSCR! Like always enjoy reading your posts very much. It sound like you know what you doing in Bac game and doing very well at it. Recently I begin to learn how do mm when I play bac game. I have been on the positive side for 2 weeks now that the first time I ever win and not giving back. I don't have the problem playing the game but have the problem call it quit for a day. I keep playing until I lose my bank roll. Now I play only about 45 minutes to 1 hr max and have a realistic win goal and stop lost. I hope I can be playing like you maybe some day. Thanks again. LBG

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I'm Canadian.

My condolences

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My condolences

Not sure if that's a joke or not :)
Best country in the world though.

Beautiful country. My uncle and aunts live in Mississauga. Visited Toronto 8 years ago. Very nice people and like to use the word hey.

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Not sure if that's a joke or not :)
Best country in the world though.

Yeah, joking. Not sure I could handle the climate much of the year but otherwise don't disagree.

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Who's Don Bright?

http://www.stocktrading.com/

Since you are Canadian and if you are from Vancouver/British Columbia area there is also a Bright affiliate .... http://www.pairtrader.com/

I know a great number of poker folks who have left the poker circuit and join some prop trading operation.

Canada is freaking awesome. Especially Montreal. Can't say much for that government owned crap casino but damn the women.

Lovebacgame- A stop loss mean nothing or a stop win if you are going to keep playing it's the same as if you never stopped - so that theory makes zero sense

As far as poker Grindr yes I would agree you could make 60k but travel expenses have to cut into that and I can't imagine you can have any sort of 401k or savings so in reality given the lack of pension that you would get as a teacher I would say you would be better off teaching .

I'd have a hard time living on 60 but that's just me

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If they fall asleep donkey punch them back to reality and make sure they are grinding out the proper coin and get your money's worth.

Wow, not sure how to take this. Are you sure you don't mean donkey punch them and just grab the cash?

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Well I'm not rich or anything but I'm 24, I have averaged just over $60,000 the last three years (tax free). I have a teaching degree which if I used I think starting salary is about $45,000 before taxes. Like I said I'm not rich but I get to travel a lot and my only boss is myself.

Redacted, sorry, didn't know you were Canadian.

Hello Wizzardofnothing. I understood what you saying. I enjoy playing bac game when I'm off from work. Most of the time when I visit casino I always ahead sometimes triple my bankroll but I keep on playing until I lost everything including br for that day. The game so easy and I think it the best table game to play. Thanks for the response to my post.

I believe if I can control my human emotions and know when to stop I can overcome the house edge. Or I can play and last a while before I burn up my life time bank roll

Sure you can, ask them to rotate the high denomination cards....

Something starting to smell fishy here




But you cannot overcome the house edge. What are you taking about?????

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Lovebacgame- A stop loss mean nothing or a stop win if you are going to keep playing it's the same as if you never stopped - so that theory makes zero sense

As far as poker Grindr yes I would agree you could make 60k but travel expenses have to cut into that and I can't imagine you can have any sort of 401k or savings so in reality given the lack of pension that you would get as a teacher I would say you would be better off teaching .

I'd have a hard time living on 60 but that's just me

Expenses are actually not bad at all, much less than you would expect since poker players travel in packs. Not 100% what a 401k is, I think that is an American thing but I do send a set amount of money to my financial advisor every month for savings/retirement plan. I am the son of an accountant so I have been well prepared for long term financial success.

You must make a very nice living if you couldn't live on 60k a year, you mind me asking what you do for a living?

I have been reading a lot in the webs. I just don't believe that why can Not overcome the house edge. The game so easy to play. It just need to remind myself to call it quit early before all hell broke loose. It hard for me to apply mathematics to gamble game like bac. Lot of people say to me that I was winning got to do with beginning luck.

Welcome back kentry or whoever was pretending to be kentry

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Welcome back kentry or whoever was pretending to be kentry

I don't know about kentry but this bacgame guy doesn't seem to get the meaning of -ev game...

Not at all- not even remotely

Besides poker all casino games are -EV am I right? The only game I know how to play is black jack (not so good ) and obviously bac is my favorite. Easy to play and no players can effect the outcome just bet on right spot.

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Something starting to smell fishy here




But you cannot overcome the house edge. What are you taking about?????

Phil Ivey got caught cheating, him and his accomplice were asking the dealer to rotate high cards because he had noticed they were not properly cut and the pattern was not centered on the back (edge sorting )

Link to news report

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Wow, not sure how to take this. Are you sure you don't mean donkey punch them and just grab the cash?

That would be a one off event. I want +EV Grinding Slaves! Gotta maintain a sustainable long term approach in keeping the +EV seeking folks on a leash. That donkey punch is to wake them up when they doze off. Not to cause any physical harm.

Hello DMSCR. Is really AxleWolf only play +EV game? Like he told me in one of the post but when I asked what kind of game he not saying. He really like to play it safe or sure thing not gamble at all? Am I correct?

Uncle Axie is doing what anyone who finds something profitable supposed to do. Keep his/her damn mouth shut. Loose lips sink ships as the cliche goes. lovebacgame hopefully you find something that works for you too in bac and don't let anyone distract you from this game if you truly love it. I mean love the game itself and not the money from it. You will get bored of the money sooner or later.

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You will get bored of losing the money sooner or later.

There. I fixed it for you.
$:o)

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99.9 % of the games in the casino are not +EV. There's a few +EV games in various casinos but they are usually very low +EV percentage wise. Usually it's under 1% with a few exceptions (BACCARAT ISN'T ONE OF THEM).

Every game in the casino can be beaten. Actually that's really not true, because the games
themselves are not usually being beat. It's usually due to various promotions, marketing, progressives, banking bonuses, mistakes, counting, extra information like hole carding, handicapping. I'll say you can make money on all casino games given the right conditions everything including Video and live Keno, bingo, slots,VP, Roulette, sprts, horses etc. I have had an advantage on most all the casino games at one time or another(Exuding all the new table games or something like that)

You're money management theory doesn't yield +EV. You can get lucky for a while I guess.

You keep going on about how if you only stopped while you were ahead. If you stopped while you were ahead just before that point you were going to lose. Think of it this way as soon as you returned the next day you would just begin where you left off and hit that inevitable losing streak. I seriously can't comprehend why you system players think a new day somehow changes anything. Quit while you're ahead work better because it means you'll play less. Eventually you'll lose 30 hands in a row and witnesses 18 ties in a row.

If MM was the key to beating baccarat only 1 person in the world have to be able doit and they would be absolutely crushing baccarat for millions. If a system like worked It wouldn't take long to build a bankroll large enough to start betting huge.

It's EXTREMELY RARE that a casino would kick someone out for winning to much at baccarat. They actually send limos and roll out the red carpet after they beg you to come back. Look at the Phil Ivey edge sorting situation. He had to be winning at an unbelievable rate yet he took millions from the casinos. It's obvious they wouldn't bat an eye if you were playing on the square and winning. You would have probably have to Take 100's of millions from the casinos before they though about changing anything.

Anyone who's telling us they have a winning Baccarat system is full of SHHH-!T. If you notice they all have some lame excuse why they won't show anyone or let anyone watch them play, They can't ever provide proof. Seriously if Baccarat systems worked the casino surveillance industry would have an incredible turnover rate with lots of rich ex surveillance experts running around. (Speaking of BSP's what happened to our internet system guy who was going to come back with proof?)

If someone wanted to remain anonymous but prove they have some awesome betting system. We could have someone act as a dealer from their home and start dealing baccarat hands. They can record the shuffle and everything so said BSP knows everything is legitimate. The BSP could then post up a wager here then the designated dealer could reveal the outcome.

It may just be easier to pre video record a bunch of baccarat shoes prior.

I'm sure we could get some side action betting going or some kid of challenge VS a rookie bac player.

I wish DMSCR would take me up on this. If he thinks it would reveal his system I'm sure we can come up with something that could mask it. TBH there's no need to mask GUESSING and monkey management.

DMSCR seems to be one of the more likable, seeming sane(the jury is still out on that) intelligent baccarat players who claims to have figured out how to beat the game*rolls eyes*. Unless hes not telling us something and he's using some proven AP baccarat move I call BS.

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You will get bored of losing the money sooner or later.

There. I fixed it for you.
$:o)

That's among the top 5 ill fix that for you posts ever. Thanks for the chuckle. You couldn't have helped a better guy. Im sure he's gr8-full.

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Expenses are actually not bad at all, much less than you would expect since poker players travel in packs. Not 100% what a 401k is, I think that is an American thing but I do send a set amount of money to my financial advisor every month for savings/retirement plan. I am the son of an accountant so I have been well prepared for long term financial success.

You must make a very nice living if you couldn't live on 60k a year, you mind me asking what you do for a living?

There is a phrase called 'golden handcuffs'. You start making more money and you get used to making more money, and spending more money. I think WoN means he couldn't live like he is used to or wants to on 60k a year. He seems like a smart enough fellow that if he he knew that was what he'd be making he would survive, but not be happy. You are a young man, I am guessing with no wife and kids? My son makes around what you do from a regular job, and like you, is having no problems. Start a family and you will see how tough it is to do all the things you want to on 60k a year.

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Expenses are actually not bad at all, much less than you would expect since poker players travel in packs. Not 100% what a 401k is, I think that is an American thing but I do send a set amount of money to my financial advisor every month for savings/retirement plan. I am the son of an accountant so I have been well prepared for long term financial success.

You must make a very nice living if you couldn't live on 60k a year, you mind me asking what you do for a living?

There is a phrase called 'golden handcuffs'. You start making more money and you get used to making more money, and spending more money. I think WoN means he couldn't live like he is used to or wants to on 60k a year. He seems like a smart enough fellow that if he he knew that was what he'd be making he would survive, but not be happy. You are a young man, I am guessing with no wife and kids? My son makes around what you do from a regular job, and like you, is having no problems. Start a family and you will see how tough it is to do all the things you want to on 60k a year.

Me and my GF could easily live on 30k a year save money and be happy.

Could and would are two different things,first off With kids ( I have none) it would be even harder,

HAHAHAHAHAHA.....

Keep it up guys in trying to get folks to open up.

I think all of you guys should really get together in person and initiate a simultaneous blockade of all the baccarat games here on the Strip. I will even supply the stink bombs and Super Soakers.

Well you guys know how I record my shoes. If you ever run into yours truly I would be more than happy to explain whatever. Honestly the conversation wouldn't even last more than five minutes. Probably would costs me about two or three sentences and you would be on your way. If you think you are having a laugh now you would probably laugh even harder at this damn game is explained in person. You would be like "That is it???" Really??? Come on. Is that all? This is absolute BS!" LOL. Most likely not worth your time really. As I said in another post, I don't need and want more Mulders. I prefer every damn one of the folks out there a Scully.

With what Axel is talking about there is much truth and some false assumptions. Given the ideas and approaches to baccarat that is publicly known I wouldn't touch the game either. It is the starting point but not the end point. As for the rest who like to throw in their two cents just the usual crowd mentality in action. No biggie. I prefer you guys keep it that way. If baccarat ever becomes publicly "beaten" and efficient it would be impossible to play since the game can easily made unplayable. I have experienced this first hand so honestly I would really like many of you guys to drag this game through the mud.

For those who does have something. No need to share it and trying to change people's mind. Just head to the tables or machine and just do what you do and disappear when the time comes. Mother Nature never revealed her secrets and you should definitely do the same. This is not just for baccarat but for anything that involves putting your capital at risk.

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There is a phrase called 'golden handcuffs'. You start making more money and you get used to making more money, and spending more money. I think WoN means he couldn't live like he is used to or wants to on 60k a year. He seems like a smart enough fellow that if he he knew that was what he'd be making he would survive, but not be happy. You are a young man, I am guessing with no wife and kids? My son makes around what you do from a regular job, and like you, is having no problems. Start a family and you will see how tough it is to do all the things you want to on 60k a year.

That's 20% more than I make and I support wife and 2 kids. We do it easily with taking multiple trips a year. Granted we have little savings but we live ok.

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That's 20% more than I make and I support wife and 2 kids. We do it easily with taking multiple trips a year. Granted we have little savings but we live ok.

As does around half of America!

How much life insurance do you have? How much disability insurance do you have? Are you saving for retirement? I lived on less than that before kids, and didn't feel poor. But now that I am used to a higher income, it would be extremely difficult for me to ratchet back and live on 60k a year. As I was typing this..... I just bought a house, and thought it wouldn't need any painting..... GF changed her mind and wants it painted..... originally just one room, now she wants almost the whole house.... painter wants $3400.... seems like a lot but caulking, two layers, etc.... If I made 60k a year no painting and unhappy GF.....

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As does around half of America!

How much life insurance do you have? How much disability insurance do you have? Are you saving for retirement? I lived on less than that before kids, and didn't feel poor. But now that I am used to a higher income, it would be extremely difficult for me to ratchet back and live on 60k a year. As I was typing this..... I just bought a house, and thought it wouldn't need any painting..... GF changed her mind and wants it painted..... originally just one room, now she wants almost the whole house.... painter wants $3400.... seems like a lot but caulking, two layers, etc.... If I made 60k a year no painting and unhappy GF.....

The last part is not true at all. When you have less money you figure out how to do things for less. When we bought our house last year we painted 8 rooms. I didn't hire a painter. I used 50% off coupons to buy the paint at Sherwin williams. Could have spent a little less and bought cheaper paint but we spent $800 on paint/primer/stain. Entire job cost me $914 but it took me about a month and a lot of work. If we were in your financial situation I may have spent the 4k for a painter but my time is worth a hell of a lot less than that. My wife couldn't be happier with the new paint job.

As for your first part. We have live and disability but very little retirement. I will be working till the day I die but that is a decision that we have made in order for my wife to stay at home with the kids. I know a lot of people who never took vacations and didn't live their loved to the fullest so they could save for retirement and they die before getting to enjoy their fruits. I will not let that happen.

Hi AxleWolf. I never try play the whole shoes it more like hit and run. I noticed that I always winning at beginning but always lose my BR at the end of the night and keep doing the same thing for months . I searching the webs for some advice. I realized the problem I got is mm and learn to control my emotions need to cool off when things don't go my way. The bac game is so easy to play I think everyone agree. When I start to apply mm and some what control my emotions things working out great for me. Now I have stop lost and a realistic win goal and not go crazy chasing lost anymore (I hope ). The last 2 weeks is wonderful and feeling great. I also want to thanks DMSCR for words of advice. I just want to enjoy playing bac and not loosing money to the casinos in the long run. I always respect everyone opinions here. Thanks.

You will always lose in the long run playing bacc straight up

My foot twitch now, not just my nose. I 'bout to go into happy dance, the world is most beauty now, may not look so good in the morning when I mostly sober....
Cheers, 2F