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March 20th, 2019 at 6:44:46 AM permalink
It's almost that time of year again -- when I crash and burn on the Jeopardy online tryout test. Actually, I'm not sure how close I get, but the test last year really humbled me.

Here are the dates:

March 27 2019, 5:00PM PT
April 9 2019, 5:00PM PT
April 10 2019, 6:00PM PT
April 11 2019, 8:00PM PT

The first step is you have to register. Give them a low-priority Email, as it puts you on their mailing list. As I recall from last year, as the dates get closer they will give you links to take the test. Unfortunately, the tests are pass/fail, and I've always failed. If you pass, I guess they invite you to the next step.

This thread will be a good place to lick our wounds afterward.

In other Jeopardy news, here is a nice Thank you message from Alex.
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March 20th, 2019 at 6:47:54 AM permalink
I can answer clue after clue from my recliner. Online test...not so much.
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March 20th, 2019 at 7:09:41 AM permalink
Signed up last year but was not available on that date
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March 20th, 2019 at 11:13:02 AM permalink
I've signed up as well. These tests are really hard - I've taken one and didn't earn an invitation. I fully expect to go down in flames again.

I signed up for Mar 27 in West Palm Beach, although its probably irrelevant.
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March 20th, 2019 at 2:17:29 PM permalink
I've passed every time I've taken the online test (three times now) and been to three in-person auditions.

Here are the next steps after passing:

At home:

1. Get invited to a regional audition in a major city.
2. Fill out a questionnaire with three "funny stories" to talk about on air; bring it to the audition.

At audition:

3. Go to audition, which is usually in the conference room of a fancy hotel. They give you a really nice, free Jeopardy pen.
4. A producer explains the process for auditioning, selection, taping, prizes, etc.
5. Producers administer a written test at the audition that eliminates about 65 percent of the people there.
6. Those who pass the written test are invited to play a quick sample game with real buzzers. They're not really looking for how well you answer, but more about how confident you are ringing in, speaking to the host, and remembering to quickly select the next clue if you get the question right.
7. Those who perform well enough in the sample game are given one-on-one interviews with producers to gauge your personality and TV likability. At this stage they also ask you what you would do with the prize money if you won; I discourage anyone to say gambling with it because when I said that (one time) they made sour faces.

In the contestant pool:

8. Those who perform well enough in the personal interview are placed in the official contestant pool and have a one-year countdown during which they can be called to go to tape the show in Los Angeles. Jeopardy does not pay for flight, meals or hotels, but the minimum prize should easily cover it. (But you do have to book your own travel.)

9. If you haven't been called in one year, you are free to take the next online test (so you can take it once every two years if you keep passing).

After passing all of the above each time in three different tries, I have spent three years in the contestant pool without receiving a call to taping. I have heard that even if you are in the contestant pool, it is a less than 50 percent chance you will be selected for taping.

Tips to get selected for taping:

-- Be personable, confident, fun
-- Have good funny anecdotes
-- MOST IMPORTANT, be female. Jeopardy aims for at least one woman on each show (1/3) -- but the auditions seem to be about 95 percent male. Through the years I have seen almost all of the women I have auditioned with appear on the show.
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March 20th, 2019 at 2:31:18 PM permalink
Soda, that is great stuff, thank you! Unfortunately, I've yet to jump through the first hoop successfully, but its interesting to know how it works.

I would imagine there is also more racial diversity on the show than in the contestant pool, your thoughts?
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March 20th, 2019 at 2:34:59 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Soda, that is great stuff, thank you! Unfortunately, I've yet to jump through the first hoop successfully, but its interesting to know how it works.

I would imagine there is also more racial diversity on the show than in the contestant pool, your thoughts?




Thanks, yes, there is definitely more racial diversity on the show than was at my auditions. There were hardly any racial minorities at my auditions, but mine were in the Northeast, so maybe there is more diversity at more western auditions. I would imagine non-white people who pass the test are almost guaranteed to be called within the one year.
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March 20th, 2019 at 2:36:05 PM permalink
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Signed up last year but was not available on that date

I'll take soda pop for 2000 Alex.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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March 20th, 2019 at 3:38:31 PM permalink
Jaundice and related symptoms
Belly or back pain
Weight loss and poor appetite
Nausea and vomiting
Gallbladder or liver enlargement
Blood clots

What is pancreatic cancer Alex?
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March 20th, 2019 at 5:32:00 PM permalink
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I'll take soda pop for 2000 Alex.



On Ellens game show last night one of the questions was name brands owned by coke. I got it wrong on #2. I said Dr. Pepper. I always thought they were owned by coke but apparently they are not. I was sad
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March 20th, 2019 at 5:49:09 PM permalink
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On Ellens game show last night one of the questions was name brands owned by coke. I got it wrong on #2. I said Dr. Pepper. I always thought they were owned by coke but apparently they are not. I was sad



It's actually owned by Keurig, the single cup coffee company.
Dr. Pepper is manufactured by Pepsi in Canada. And manufactured by Coca Cola in Europe.

It's the American Motors of soft drinks.
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March 20th, 2019 at 10:13:43 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

On Ellens game show last night one of the questions was name brands owned by coke. I got it wrong on #2. I said Dr. Pepper. I always thought they were owned by coke but apparently they are not. I was sad

In that case.

I will take a soda pop for 2000 Alex.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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March 26th, 2019 at 4:39:37 PM permalink
Reminder that the first Jeopardy online test is tomorrow at 5:00 Pacific time. I'm planning to take that one. Here, again, are all the times:

March 27 2019, 5:00PM PT
April 9 2019, 5:00PM PT
April 10 2019, 6:00PM PT
April 11 2019, 8:00PM PT
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March 26th, 2019 at 4:49:22 PM permalink
Quote: SkittleCar1

It's actually owned by Keurig, the single cup coffee company.
Dr. Pepper is manufactured by Pepsi in Canada. And manufactured by Coca Cola in Europe.

It's the American Motors of soft drinks.


that is so weird. It seems that we can buy it at most restaurants that sell coke but none that sell pepsi. Does distribute it?
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March 26th, 2019 at 6:35:33 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Reminder that the first Jeopardy online test is tomorrow at 5:00 Pacific time. I'm planning to take that one. Here, again, are all the times:

March 27 2019, 5:00PM PT
April 9 2019, 5:00PM PT
April 10 2019, 6:00PM PT
April 11 2019, 8:00PM PT



They allowed me to register for both tomorrow night and in 2 weeks, fwiw. If it lets me go twice, I will.
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March 26th, 2019 at 7:42:29 PM permalink
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They allowed me to register for both tomorrow night and in 2 weeks, fwiw. If it lets me go twice, I will.



How did you actually register? I am still not sure I'll be allowed to take the test tomorrow.
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March 26th, 2019 at 9:54:55 PM permalink
I was also allowed to register for March 27 and a date in April. I did register on two completely different weeks -maybe that was a factor.
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March 26th, 2019 at 11:36:30 PM permalink
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How did you actually register? I am still not sure I'll be allowed to take the test tomorrow.

Can you make a Video? That would be fun for us to watch. Live streaming would even be better.


We could even have a betting line/pool.

Assuming no live stream you could post up the questions and we can guess/bet on what ones you got wright or wrong. Agian, this would be fun.
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March 27th, 2019 at 5:42:43 AM permalink
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How did you actually register? I am still not sure I'll be allowed to take the test tomorrow.



After I signed back in (from previous years) it said, you are eligible for the following try-outs. Today was by itself as a choice, then the April dates as a group. I checked both circles, and it confirmed I was registered.

There's a countdown to the test on my signed-in test page. I don't know if that shows on yours? But they say to log-in at least 30 min prior to the test, and that the portal will open 1 hour prior. Access from the home page or take the test page.
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March 27th, 2019 at 6:34:23 AM permalink
Shoot. I found an Email from Jeopardy in my junk folder asking me to sign up for a test. The one today was not on the list. When I tried to register for the following test date, it had me mark it on my Google calendar, but I don't get the feeling that I'm on any kind of list on Jeopardy's end. Every other path leads me to auditioning in person for a test in West Palm Beach.

Anyway, I'll log into my Jeopardy account after 4:00 PM today in the unlikely event it will let me take the test.

I don't like I'm so stressed out about this, as I am simply not smart enough to be worthy to be on the show. Heck, I'm not even smart enough to properly register for the test.

I do wish you and anyone else taking the test today that the questions hit you well. Please let us know how it went after the test.
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March 27th, 2019 at 11:59:08 AM permalink
I did not originally realize that the tests were administered only at a certain time - 8:00 pm Eastern -on the given dates. That does make it harder to take the bloody test.

It looks like I won't be able to try the online test tonight -I have had a conflict arise. I'll have to shoot for the April 10 test.
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March 27th, 2019 at 5:43:25 PM permalink
I videoed my test. If you want to try it, it seems to take about an hour to upload to youtube. (I haven't uploaded before, may need assistance.) I'll post the link when I get one.

I think I scored 41. Probably not good enough to get an audition, but who knows. I blanked on 3 I knew, and missed 6 outright. That time goes FAST when it's on the tip of your tongue.

Edit May 8 2019. Video removed at the request of Jeopardy coordinators.
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March 27th, 2019 at 8:30:31 PM permalink
Thanks Barb for posting that. Those questions did not hit me very well. Too much pop culture. Bucharest is the capital (or is it capitol) of Romania, BTW.
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March 27th, 2019 at 10:03:02 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Thanks Barb for posting that. Those questions did not hit me very well. Too much pop culture. Bucharest is the capital (or is it capitol) of Romania, BTW.



Better you test in April, then. I don't watch TV or listen to new music much, so those are weak spots for me.

Yeah, I put Budapest, knowing it was wrong but close.

I also got tied up on Viola Davis, starting with Olivia and no time to erase, but knowing the answer right then.

Third one I knew but blew was Nabokov for Lolita Author.

Didn't know John Legend wife (still don't) Taylor Swift music, (shake it off) the black series on FX (atlanta, not empire), celiac cause (gluten reaction), said Gettysburg (valley forge - knew that but didn't key on it)

Might get a half point extra for neutrons in atomic weight, if they do that. Should have been them and protons. I marked it as incorrect.

Edit - add another one I got wrong - tip of the tongue thing. I ended up with mugsy for Banksy - I got "bugsy" stuck in my head and knew it was almost right, but ran out of time before I could fix it. Oh, well.
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March 27th, 2019 at 11:14:21 PM permalink
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Didn't know John Legend wife (still don't)



Chrissy Teigen.


Took me awhile to remember that. Neither are very popular in my book.
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March 28th, 2019 at 6:24:09 AM permalink
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Chrissy Teigen.


Took me awhile to remember that. Neither are very popular in my book.





I knew what she looked like (hard to forget) and that she was from my own Huntington Beach, but I never thought committing her name to memory was worth the brain cells.

There was another one about the name of Beyonce's kid??? That is about that last thing on earth I would care about.
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March 28th, 2019 at 10:51:41 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Quote: tringlomane

Chrissy Teigen.


Took me awhile to remember that. Neither are very popular in my book.





I knew what she looked like (hard to forget) and that she was from my own Huntington Beach, but I never thought committing her name to memory was worth the brain cells.

There was another one about the name of Beyonce's kid??? That is about that last thing on earth I would care about.



Not sure what q Wizard saw about Beyonce's child? Maybe you took the test after all, and got different questions? I did the video mostly for you and Gordon since you both wanted to take it but couldn't - I would be very interested in how other people did. I'm also hoping I get another shot in April - Idk if I can still do that with this one in the bank, but it shows me as registered, so we'll see.
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March 28th, 2019 at 4:59:43 PM permalink
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Not sure what q Wizard saw about Beyonce's child? Maybe you took the test after all, and got different questions? I did the video mostly for you and Gordon since you both wanted to take it but couldn't - I would be very interested in how other people did. I'm also hoping I get another shot in April - Idk if I can still do that with this one in the bank, but it shows me as registered, so we'll see.



I did watch your video, but I may be confusing the Beyonce question with a trivia game I'm playing on Facebook. I think I would have gotten only about half your test correct...at best.

I think what held me up before was that I didn't put in a physical test location if I passed the online test. Next test is April 9.
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March 28th, 2019 at 5:21:28 PM permalink
BTW, I play a trivia game on Facebook called Quiz Planet. CrystalMath is one of my opponents. Anyone on Facebook care to play?
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March 28th, 2019 at 5:22:54 PM permalink
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BTW, I play a trivia game on Facebook called Quiz Planet. CrystalMath is one of my opponents. Anyone on Facebook care to play?



Sure. Never heard of it, but I'll load it up. Think I have both of you as friends, so should be easy to find you.
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March 28th, 2019 at 6:05:29 PM permalink
I got 34 on your test, BBB.

The number of neutrons in the nucleus is not necessarily equal to the number of protons (and, thus, the atomic number). The varying number of neutrons accounts for the isotopes: thus, carbon, with an atomic number of 6, has 6 protons, but it exists in three isotopes: Carbon-12 (with 6 neutrons), Carbon-13 (with 7 neutrons), and Carbon-14 (with 8 neutrons).

Thanks for posting your video!

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March 28th, 2019 at 6:39:11 PM permalink
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I got 34 on your test, BBB.

The number of neutrons in the nucleus is not necessarily equal to the number of protons (and, thus, the atomic number). The varying number of neutrons accounts for the isotopes: thus, carbon, with an atomic number of 6, has 6 protons, but it exists in three isotopes: Carbon-12 (with 6 neutrons), Carbon-13 (with 7 neutrons), and Carbon-14 (with 8 neutrons).

Thanks for posting your video!

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Thanks for the lesson, Dog Hand! I googled to get an answer that matched what they must have been looking for on that one. Is there one definitive or simple answer, and that answer is protons, then?

I knew this once, in 11th grade chemistry, but I've dumped the knowledge.
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March 28th, 2019 at 6:50:54 PM permalink
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The number of neutrons in the nucleus is not necessarily equal to the number of protons (and, thus, the atomic number). The varying number of neutrons accounts for the isotopes: thus, carbon, with an atomic number of 6, has 6 protons, but it exists in three isotopes: Carbon-12 (with 6 neutrons), Carbon-13 (with 7 neutrons), and Carbon-14 (with 8 neutrons).



As I recall, Barbara correctly answered protons for that one, as I would have too.

At the risk of changing the subject, I've never really understood the purpose of neutrons.
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March 28th, 2019 at 8:29:34 PM permalink
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As I recall, Barbara correctly answered protons for that one, as I would have too.

At the risk of changing the subject, I've never really understood the purpose of neutrons.



Actually, BBB said neutrons.

The purpose of neutrons is to stabilize the atom's nucleus: if all the nucleus had was protons, their mutual repulsion would shatter the nucleus... though that wouldn't "matter" to us ;-)

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March 29th, 2019 at 8:24:18 AM permalink
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Actually, BBB said neutrons.

The purpose of neutrons is to stabilize the atom's nucleus: if all the nucleus had was protons, their mutual repulsion would shatter the nucleus... though that wouldn't "matter" to us ;-)

Dog Hand



So, here's what happened on that answer. At 7pm, they showed Jeopardy. They ASKED that question in some form, where the correct answer was neutrons. And then , oh so clever, there it was on their try-out test. So, I was caught in an ah-hah moment, trying to sort out whether they were being smart-asses in running the same question by us, instead of thinking about the actual question. I know the proton and electron count has to balance for the element to be stable, that the electrons circle the nucleus while the protons and neutrons are inside it, but had genuinely not focused on what they count to determine the atomic number. So, gotcha! Out of time - next question. Oh, well.
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March 31st, 2019 at 5:20:27 PM permalink
Definitely protons. Also, Nabokov was Lolita author. Those were the two answers that Babs missed that I would have gotten right, but she got 4 answers that I would have missed.

41 is a good performance, I think. It will be interesting to see if you move forward.
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The purpose of neutrons is to stabilize the atom's nucleus: if all the nucleus had was protons, their mutual repulsion would shatter the nucleus... though that wouldn't "matter" to us ;-)



Not to say you're wrong, but I thought the nucleus was held in place via the strong force.
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A nucleus of two (or more) protons would be unstable and fly apart due to electromagnetic forces.

(Simplified) The strong force is a very short-range force. Before you could get the two protons close enough to feel the strong force, they would be repelled by the electromagnetic force. However, the strong force can hold together a proton and a neutron.
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April 2nd, 2019 at 9:20:49 PM permalink
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A nucleus of two (or more) protons would be unstable and fly apart due to electromagnetic forces.

(Simplified) The strong force is a very short-range force. Before you could get the two protons close enough to feel the strong force, they would be repelled by the electromagnetic force. However, the strong force can hold together a proton and a neutron.



I plead guilty to killing this thread.
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April 2nd, 2019 at 11:23:41 PM permalink
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I plead guilty to killing this thread.



Lol...it'll wake back up in a few days. Test next week!
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April 3rd, 2019 at 4:36:10 AM permalink
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(Simplified) The strong force is a very short-range force. Before you could get the two protons close enough to feel the strong force, they would be repelled by the electromagnetic force. However, the strong force can hold together a proton and a neutron.



In a heavy element like Iodine, you would have a whole bunch of protons and neutrons packed into the nucleus. If you have a bunch of black and white balls in a bag, there would be some whites touching whites and blacks touching blacks. So, while I buy that neutrons help space apart the protons, aren't they still touching each other in places?
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April 3rd, 2019 at 8:56:33 AM permalink
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In a heavy element like Iodine, you would have a whole bunch of protons and neutrons packed into the nucleus. If you have a bunch of black and white balls in a bag, there would be some whites touching whites and blacks touching blacks. So, while I buy that neutrons help space apart the protons, aren't they still touching each other in places?



That’s not a good analogy. Here’s a better (but still imperfect one): the white balls and black balls are all strongly attracted to each other, but the black balls (protons) all repel other black balls (like two north poles on a magnet). In that circumstance you can visualize a structure where the white balls are the “glue” and black balls don’t touch.

It’s still not “correct” but gives you a better idea.
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April 3rd, 2019 at 9:38:22 AM permalink
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That’s not a good analogy. Here’s a better (but still imperfect one): the white balls and black balls are all strongly attracted to each other, but the black balls (protons) all repel other black balls (like two north poles on a magnet). In that circumstance you can visualize a structure where the white balls are the “glue” and black balls don’t touch.

It’s still not “correct” but gives you a better idea.



The only way I can visualize the black balls never touching each other is if they alternated in line with the white balls or there were are a significantly greater number of white balls, which isn't the case in a nucleus.
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April 3rd, 2019 at 11:19:16 AM permalink
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The only way I can visualize the black balls never touching each other is if they alternated in line with the white balls or there were are a significantly greater number of white balls, which isn't the case in a nucleus.

Why are you thinking in 2D. See the pic on the Wikipedia page. Again this isn’t correct, but it’s less incorrect than your visualization

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_nucleus
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April 3rd, 2019 at 11:50:30 AM permalink
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Why are you thinking in 2D. See the pic on the Wikipedia page. Again this isn’t correct, but it’s less incorrect than your visualization



I wasn't.

What may help others struggling with this is that the heavy elements have more neutrons than protons, which I had forgotten.

Uranium, for example, has 92 protons and an average of 146.03 neutrons. I suppose there are certain arrangements where no protons touch.

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April 3rd, 2019 at 12:07:05 PM permalink
I'm no nuclear physicist, but I'm pretty sure the Wizard is right regarding the Strong force having more of an influence than the electrostatic positive charge. Isn't the disruption of those bonds why nuclear bombs go boom?

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...The nuclear force is highly attractive at the distance of typical nucleon separation, and this overwhelms the repulsion between protons due to the electromagnetic force, thus allowing nuclei to exist. However, the residual strong force has a limited range because it decays quickly with distance (see Yukawa potential); thus only nuclei smaller than a certain size can be completely stable...

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April 3rd, 2019 at 12:13:07 PM permalink
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I wasn't.

What may help others struggling with this is that the heavy elements have more neutrons than protons, which I had forgotten.

Uranium, for example, has 92 protons and an average of 146.03 neutrons. I suppose there are certain arrangements where no protons touch.

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Yes good point about more neutrons. But the visualization works even without that. Let me try it as a math problem. You have one white sphere and several black spheres all of equal radius. What is the most number of black spheres you can have touching the white sphere without any black sphere touching another black sphere?

In 2D with circles instead of spheres, the answer is 5 black circles around a center white circle.

@ayecarumba - yes the strong force is by far the strongest force, but only at very small distances.
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April 3rd, 2019 at 12:24:26 PM permalink
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I wasn't.

What may help others struggling with this is that the heavy elements have more neutrons than protons, which I had forgotten.

Uranium, for example, has 92 protons and an average of 146.03 neutrons. I suppose there are certain arrangements where no protons touch.

source



Yes good point about more neutrons. But the visualization works even without that. Let me try it as a math problem. You have one white sphere and several black spheres all of equal radius. What is the most number of black spheres you can have touching the white sphere without any black sphere touching another black sphere?

In 2D with circles instead of spheres, the answer is 5 black circles around a center white circle.

@ayecarumba - yes the strong force is by far the strongest force, but only at very small distances.



It is important to remember that protons and neutrons aren't solid like billiard balls that can only touch on one point. They are more like soap bubbles that change "shape" when near each other.

check out the video here
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April 3rd, 2019 at 4:18:45 PM permalink
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I wasn't.

What may help others struggling with this is that the heavy elements have more neutrons than protons, which I had forgotten.

Uranium, for example, has 92 protons and an average of 146.03 neutrons. I suppose there are certain arrangements where no protons touch.

source



Yes good point about more neutrons. But the visualization works even without that. Let me try it as a math problem. You have one white sphere and several black spheres all of equal radius. What is the most number of black spheres you can have touching the white sphere without any black sphere touching another black sphere?

In 2D with circles instead of spheres, the answer is 5 black circles around a center white circle.

@ayecarumba - yes the strong force is by far the strongest force, but only at very small distances.



It is important to remember that protons and neutrons aren't solid like billiard balls that can only touch on one point. They are more like soap bubbles that change "shape" when near each other.

check out the video here

IIRC, under the Standard Model they are point particles so couldn’t ever really touch anything.

In any event this was a visualization exercise that we all agreed wasn’t correct.

Cool video.
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April 3rd, 2019 at 4:35:24 PM permalink
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Let me try it as a math problem. You have one white sphere and several black spheres all of equal radius. What is the most number of black spheres you can have touching the white sphere without any black sphere touching another black sphere?



Good question -- Let me think about it. I have hundreds of golf balls which may help.
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